What Does the ‘Infant Born Alive Act’ Really Mean?

There seems to be a dedicated group of abortion advocates who don’t care about human life, except, perhaps, their own.

I am not saying that everyone who thinks abortion should be legal falls into this category. But I have no other way to characterize people who would oppose the requirement that babies who survive an abortion be given medical care.

What am I supposed to say about these people?

One of Public Catholic’s readers went all apoplectic over Obama’s Lowest Moment in the 2008 Campaign. He denounced Infant Born Alive Acts as “garbage” and “thinly-veiled” attempts “to encroach on Roe v Wade.” Then, I guess to add what he thought was the cherry on top this little statement, sputtered at me to get out of the Democratic Party.

Not only is he confused about the Democratic Party — (It’s not an invitation-only private club run just for him.) — but his grip on what the Infant Born Alive Acts are about is tenuous, as well.

The video below is a sweet reminder of what Infant Born Alive Acts are addressing: The human lives of real human beings.

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  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    Well, if you ever decide to leave the Democratic Party, the Republican Party would love to have you. :)

    • hamiltonr

      They’d be telling me to get out just like the Democrats Manny. :-)

      • http://j.mp/FerdiBuzz Ferdi Zebua

        I was wondering have you ever blogged about your views towards Obama’s personal religious views? Or is that spiritually out-of-bounds for you? (“speck of sawdust vs. plank” n’ all etc.,etc.,..?)

        • hamiltonr

          I’m not competent to judge another person’s soul. That includes the president.

          • Sus_1

            If everyone felt that way, things would be slightly better in this country.

            • oregon catholic

              I think too many people make the mistake of equating condemnation of behavior with condemnation of a person, including their soul. That is what moral relativity has wrought in our society but it is not the Catholic view. A person IS NOT what they DO. Most Catholics know how to separate the two – e.g., hate the sin, love the sinner.

              Catholics try to eliminate or reduce sin through various social and political means available to us (moral persuasion, voting, etc.). To us, the notion that we shouldn’t care about the sins others commit and we should just mind our own business is completely the opposite of how God expects His children to relate to each other. People who want to sin will always find a way to do it but we don’t have to make it easy for them by destroying the moral underpinning and protections that used to be inherent in our legal system.

              • Sus_1

                You have make sure you are living your own life as a true good example. Judge yourself first. Judging someone on an assumption of sin is wrong.

                • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

                  In theory that’s a defensible position. IN practice, it’s a condemnation to silence, the more strong the keener your conscience is. Saints admit that they are sinners; but it was the crook and liar Tony Blair who said with a straight face “I’m a pretty straight guy”, and the master of them all, Richard Nixon, who said “I’m not a crook”. And we can’t wait to be saints. Moral condemnation of others’ actions is not a personal luxury, it’s a desperately needed weapon of collective survival. Where would we be if most of us did not condemn theft, sexual infidelity, bad faith in trade, violence, rape, or murder? We don’t need to be perfect to condemn such things; it is enough that we know they are wrong, and we hope that we would know it even if we caught ourselves doing them. But we must, whatever happens, make the atmosphere unbreathable for them collectively; we need a society in which infidelity, embezzlement, private and public violence, swindles, false witness against your neighbour, are condemned out of hand and by everyone.

                • FW Ken

                  OC has fairly clearly said that the judgement is to the behavior, not the persons.

                  I deal daily with people who have done horrible things. I darn well better make some judgements. That doesn’t mean I consider myself a paragon of virture, but serial rapists, child molesters, murderers, and the like have done terrible things, and if they don’t repent, they will become evil – just as I will if I don’t repent of my own sins. In fact, most criminals I know are not evil, but greedy, twisted, or just plain stupid. Or some combination of the three. Apart from reforming their lives, they will – just like me – become evil. There are only two ends to which we progress: heaven or hell.

                  Jesus did not say “don’t judge”, but that the judgement we render is the standard against which we will be judged.

          • pagansister

            What Sus_1 said below! :-)

        • FW Ken

          Pres. Obama is a liberal protestant, whose actions are consistent with the values of liberal protestantism, and can be easily identified by reading anything from that religious tradition. This is not a judgement on his soul. It’s absurd to think that anyone acts without reference to their faith. Just sometimes it’s more obvious.

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        No, I think the Republicans have less litmus tests. I mean we had John McCain and Mitt Romney as presidential candidates. Anyway, love to have you. :)

        • TheodoreSeeber

          One big Litmus Test the Republicans have that Rebecca Fails: Providing aid to those who are in distress, like the victims of the tornados in her district.

          • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

            What? That is ridiculous. What they usually bargin for in those situations is offsetting cuts within the budget. There has never been a time that I recall where money for disasters did not go through.

            • TheodoreSeeber

              Eventually- and always with strings attached, never generously and NEVER raising taxes.

              • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

                Whatever, Theodore. Believe what you want.

            • hamiltonr

              That isn’t true Manny. At least it’s not here in Oklahoma. Our Republican Governor announced almost immediately after the May 20 tornado that it would “cost too much” to provide storm shelters for children in our public schools. I don’t think we’d even finished with the funerals when this dismissal of any attempt to protect our children came down.

              At the same, the Rs push through anything — and I mean anything — that the statewide chamber wants, including bond issues which obligate the state for 100s of millions of dollars and tax cuts that only benefit the upper incomes tiers that have amount to billions.

              I would never be accepted by the Rs. I agree with them on their window dressing issues such as pro life and (for now, they may change) marriage. But I disagree with them about their real reason for being, which is corporate welfare, funneling the wealth of this nation into a war machine that is not even remotely geared to our national defense, and heaping all the costs of government on the working class.

              They would never accept that.

              I know you don’t think this is what the party stands for, but look at what they do Manny. Not what they say, but what they DO. This is why I keep telling you to work to convert your party. Economic conservatism is a healthy philosophy. But the things I see are not economic conservatism, anymore than the license the Ds are pushing is liberalism.

              Both parties have become shills with no sense of responsibility for the welfare of this nation or its people.

              I’ll post your replies Manny, but I have what I think is food poisoning + my mother is quite ill. (I guess this is the adage “it never rains but it pours” in action.) So I won’t be up for getting into a protracted discussion with you, at least not this time. There’ll be other chances. :-)

              • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

                OMG, I couldn’t care less on our dispute. Get well and prayers for your mother.

                • hamiltonr

                  Thank you Manny.

              • pagansister

                Holy Cow, Rebecca—Get your self well and positive thoughts for your mother!!! Do what you have to do and not worry about the folks here—you and yours come first and foremost.

              • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

                Oh, no. I hadn’t noticed that. Please look after yourself,and God be with you and your mother.

              • FW Ken

                Bless you, Rebecca, and your mother. Your family is in my prayers.

              • hamiltonr

                Thanks to everyone for their well wishes. I’m much better today; even planning to go to mass tonight.

                Mama is better … but fragile. She has these dives down, then we get her righted, but she loses something that doesn’t come back every time. She’s 88, and I guess that’s the story.

                Again, thank each of you for the good thoughts and prayers.

                • pagansister

                  Happy to hear things have improved!!

      • Rebecca Fuentes

        You’re just too darn . . . CATHOLIC! :)

    • TheodoreSeeber

      A pro-welfare pro-life politician is no more welcome in the Republican Party than in the Democrats.

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        I don’t know what it means to be pro-welfare. The Republicans reformed welfare so that it was tied to a job. If you think a lifetime on welfare is compassionate, then you’re sadly mistaken.

        • TheodoreSeeber

          I think Jesus Christ told us to feed the poor from our own tables, even if it meant we had nothing left for ourselves.

          • FW Ken

            Ted,

            Government assistance (which I support, by the way) is not personal charity. Don’t confuse means and ends. You are talking past Manny, not addressing his points.

            Politically, I’m a militant moderate, independent of any party. To my eyes, both parties are in thrall to different aspects of the materialism that dominates the U.S.

          • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

            So feed the poor from your own tables. The government takes money by force. That is not charity.

            • TheodoreSeeber

              There is no such thing in the United States as money owned by anybody other than the government. It is theirs to begin with. We just pay rent on it.

  • tom Quiner

    I heard Melissa speak at a pro life event in Des Moines. I will never forget her message.

  • FW Ken

    What it means that we need this law is a frightening thing. It means we are savages, and living choosing the survival of the powerful as the basis of our community.

    Look, I understand that some people don’t acknowledge the humanity of the unborn, or consider it justified to kill that humanity. I get that. But birth is a bright line, and while there is no logical distinction between a child at one end of the birth canal or another, there is something in our own humanity that should kick in when we see a child. Without that instinctive response, are we even human?

  • peggy-o

    I appreciate conservatives like Manny, but I hope the R’s never get Rebecca. The D’s need her to keep shining a light in their widening darkness regarding life issues. To Zeke I would say it’s Obama who has lost dignity with his hawkish behavior toward our citizens and constitution. I played Obama’s speech on the Illinois house floor in 2008. It was so sick I knew my dream of voting for a president of color wasn’t going to happen with him. I’ve always felt like with the Dem’s it’s a struggle to get out of the womb and after birth, with the Rep’s it’s a battle against failure to thrive for living wages, union rights, environmental health, family leave, fair insurance, peace…Am so grateful the Catholic church has the most developed understanding of and teaching on all these human dignities.


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