Obama, Hobby Lobby, HHS Mandate Poster

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  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    I’m very happy for the decision. However, I’m semi sympathetic to the argument Ruth Bader Ginsburg made in the dissent. How does one define what is a religious objection when everyone can create their own religion. The problem stemmed from the fact that Obamacare should never have been constitutional in the first place. That decision, and especially the flip-flop by Roberts, was a horendous decision and totally wrong. It is unAmerican to mandate people buy things against their will. Today’s decision probably isn’t the cleanest decision, but I’m grateful for it.

    • oregon nurse

      “It is unAmerican to mandate people buy things against their will. ”

      In a society like ours where people are not allowed to suffer the consequences of their bad decisions (letting someone without insurance die in the gutter), forcing them to buy health insurance (private or public) so the rest of us that do are not always paying their bills is the only fair solution.

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        Well, then you don’t consider America the land of the free. This is not freedom. No one is dying in the gutter, and paying the bills of the freeloaders is (1) the price of freedom and (2) better economic sense in the long run. If those people get sick and they go to a hospital, you hand them a bill and get collection agencies to collect.

        • oregon nurse

          The Catholic definition of freedom is freedom to do the right thing. People who make others pay their medical bills because they don’t want to be told what to do AND they know they won’t be left to die in the gutter anyhow isn’t freedom, it’s license, license to steal from others.

        • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

          “No one is dying in the gutter.”
          You are very poorly informed.

          • FW Ken

            I am rather well-informed, and if someone is dying in the gutter, it’s because they are too drunk to get up and go to the hospital.

            We have, in fact, a system of care that provides for anyone without regard for ability to pay, at least in Texas. Lack of health insurance does not mean lack of health care. My community, particularly, has an excellent public health care system that provides my clients, and a couple of friends with care that’s often better than the care I get through my insurance. Rural areas have contacts for indigent care.

          • AnneG

            Ken is right, Fabio. We don’t have government enforced single payer like Europe. But we have a very good system of care here, even for the indigent. A lot of Catholic and other faith-based hospitals give a lot of care away, free.
            Even the police pick up people on the streets who cannot take care of themselves because of drugs or alcohol. Of course they frequently go AMA from hospitals when they wake up from their overdose.

  • Rob B.

    You keep on dreaming, Andrew. Christianity has survived worse than secular America. As for it being “outmoded,” I hope that you are ready to reap the whirlwind that will follow if natural law is totally ignored by our society. It won’t be pretty.

  • Rob B.

    It is one of the great tragedies of the modern age that the special gift of women of bearing life is seen by many women as a burden rather than a blessing. I wonder how the children of the female justices feel about their mothers being anti-life…

    • pagansister

      Not every woman wants that “gift”. Being female doesn’t automatically mean reproduction. It is a choice.

      • Rob B.

        Then these women should choose not to engage in sex. Such a lifestyle is (barring divine intervention) 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. Of course, try telling that to our “enlightened” modern culture, where “no-risk sex” is considered a human right.

        • pagansister

          Simply because a woman chooses not to get pregnant is no reason to deny herself the pleasure of sexual intimacy. . Is a woman and her husband supposed to stop having intercourse after they have had the number of children they want? OR if the married couple chooses not to have children, are they supposed to not engage in sex? As for single women? The decision to have sex is again their choice. That is not a new situation at all. Not married folks have been enjoying themselves for centuries.

      • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

        But that is what makes you a woman. All the features in which the life of a woman is vastly different from that of a man – changes at puberty, menstruation, the existence of a physical evidence of virginity, and the menopause – are directly connected with the ability to bear children. If you describe them as undesirable, you describe being a woman as undesirable.

        • pagansister

          While many women don’t always enjoy the changes they go through, yes it makes us physically women. However I totally disagree with your last statement, Fabio. I didn’t always enjoy all the above, but I CHOSE to have 2 children, some women don’t. Just because they don’t doesn’t mean they find them selves undesirable. Ridiculous.

  • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

    You did not “assume”. You were told, by the lying, partisan media, who have begun making up false charges against HL because their man has been defeated in a court of law. You just believed what you read, which is the impulse of a decent person, but rather a naive one.

    • pagansister

      Whatever.

  • pagansister

    Part of that problem is you can’t get blood from a turnip. If a person hasn’t got the finances to pay the bill, collection agencies are a waste of time.

  • pagansister

    What?

  • hamiltonr

    You have me at a disadvantage: I still haven’t done more than glance through the opinion. However, I do want clarify one point. The opinion applies only to privately-held corporations.

    Now, I’m back out of the conversation.

  • pagansister

    Some folks make just enough over to not qualify for welfare, but still can’t pay bills for medical expenses.

  • pagansister

    Women aren’t supposed to allow other women contraceptives? I’m hanging with the women on the court.

    • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

      Nothing in this decision would have, could have, affected access to contraceptives. This decision was solely about religious liberty for rich, millionaire business owners and nobody else.

  • pagansister

    To some women it might be a “curse”. To some women who have a high respect for themselves and other women it isn’t anywhere close. There is no way you can understand how women feel about themselves.

  • pagansister

    Once you contemplate birth control methods, you are less likely to getting pregnant. If indeed a pregnancy occurs, then a decision has to be made. As I have said many times I’d rather not have abortion used as a BC method.

  • pagansister

    That is very sad to hear, Theodore.

  • hamiltonr

    Do I hear weather reports of snowballs in the infernal regions? :-)

    • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

      LOL, I didn’t say I was wrong, just that I’ll rest. :))))


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