Mr President: When Did the Democratic Party Declare War on the Catholic Church?

 

“Mr President, when did the Democratic Party declare war on the Catholic Church?”

I want to thank Senator Ted Cruz of Texas for asking that question. As a Democratic elected official, and a life-long Democrat, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

The Senator also said, “If you’re litigating with nuns, you have probably done something wrong.”

Amen, brother Ted.

I’m going to put an article about this speech below. But I want to clarify something first.

The article says the S 2578 “failed” yesterday.

Wrong.

It did not “fail.” The vote was on cloture, not the bill. A vote on cloture is a vote on whether or not to stop a filibuster, or, as in this case, to allow debate on a bill. In pragmatic terms, the failure of this vote allows opponents of the legislation to mount a filibuster if they so choose (everyone assumes they will so choose) which could and probably would keep the bill from coming to a vote. It closes down debate, which stops the bill. It does not kill it.

Cloture requires 60 votes. Even though supporters of the bill fell short by 4 votes, they got a clear majority of the Senate to vote for cloture, which was, in essence a vote for the bill. Also, Majority Leader Reid set it up so that he could call another vote on cloture later.

The story is all over the internet that the bill “failed.” Not true.

From CNSnews.com:

(CNSNews.com) – Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) criticized Senate Democrats and their legislation to circumvent the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision by explaining that their bill would impose “faith fines” on groups like the Little Sisters of the Poor, who refuse to subsidize abortion-inducing drugs, and asked, “Mr. President, when did the Democratic Party declare war on the Catholic Church?”

“The bill that is being voted on this floor, if it were adopted, would fine the Little Sisters of the Poor millions of dollars unless these Catholic nuns are willing to pay for abortion-producing drugs for others,” said Sen. Cruz in remarks on the Senate floor on Wednesday.

“Mr. President, when did the Democratic Party declare war on the Catholic Church?” said Cruz.

“Let me make a basic suggestion,” he continued.  “If you’re litigating against nuns, you have probably done something wrong, and the Obama Administration is doing so right now. Mr. President, drop your faith fines. Mr. Majority leader, drop your faith fines. To all of my Democratic colleagues, drop your faith fines. Get back to the shared values that stitch all of us together as Americans.”

  • hamiltonr

    The national party is still, even to this day, very different than the parties at the state level. Having said that, I agree that it has become controlled by what could accurately be characterized as an “anti-God” faction, even at the state level (at least in Oklahoma.)

    I know a great deal about this, having been pilloried by my party for many years because of being pro life and, as they deem me, a “religious fanatic.” I could go into details, but why bother?

    Rank and file Democrats, at least here in Oklahoma, are not anti-Christian at all.

    The reason I insist that we must convert this party is because I do not think that it is possible to save this country and to build a culture of life if we do not convert them. I also know — again from real experience — that Republicans are a lot more pro life and willing to make an issue of it if the Ds are snapping at their heels.

    As for the Rs, all I can say is that the Republican party here in Oklahoma is a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate interests via the State Chamber of Commerce. There’s no real reason for most of them to show up to the capitol to vote. They are just puppets. That is the opposite of Democracy. It is corrupt. It is not capitalism, and it will end up costing Americans their economic security.

    We need honest government that represents the people. Right now what we have is two corrupt and totally dishonest political parties that lie every time they open their mouths and represent special interests to the detriment of the people.

    I’m not defending the Dems, Manny. Who do you think wrote this post? But I’m not going to play patty-cake with the corruption on the other side, either. One does not excuse the other.

    • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

      I agree on the culture of life. One party cannot do it. It becomes us versus them. I would love to see the D’s become pro-life. For me pro-life (and the culture of life) trumps all issues. By the way, it’s the D’s from the big cities and the two coasts that control the party, and they are the ones that are anti religious.

      • hamiltonr

        I think that’s basically true. Except the party leadership here in Oklahoma — and I would assume elsewhere — is dominated by pro aborts and anti-religion types. That’s not because they’ve done something wrong. It’s because the rest of the Ds have stayed home and let them have the party. All we have to do to change it is show up in numbers that represent our actual standing in the party. But getting people to do that is the challenge.

  • hamiltonr

    I agree that for the November election we’re all stuck with whatever is on the ballot. The best you can do with that is call the candidates and tell them what you just told me.

    As for long term, we need to rebuild the party from the grassroots. It wouldn’t take long at all if we could just get people to go to meetings a few times a year. That’s all it would take: Go to meetings a few times a year. If we went as a group, it could even be fun.

    The question people need to ask themselves is do they believe in their Church and their pro life stance enough to go to meetings a few times a year? It’s really as simple and straightforward as that.

  • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber
  • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

    I suggest the Constitution Party. I still can’t support everything they stand for (they’re awfully “the law is the law and we can’t vary from it even if it is unjust) type people, but pro-life is the first plank in their party, not the last.

    Having said that, I am voting Republican for my Senatorial election. The doctor who is running fixed my son’s spina bifida, and is so pro-life that she has actually saved children from abortion by fixing birth defects in the womb. And my biggest headache right now from the feds is Obamacare, and she’s got a potential fix that still keeps health care for the poor while not pandering to insurance industry executives and the anti-life wing.

  • hamiltonr

    I think it depends on the state Dominicus. I have some knowledge of other states in the South and Southwest, since I know legislators from those areas and we talk. Oklahoma is not so different from them. Based on voting patterns, I would include a number of other states in the central part of the America. Actually, it may be the coasts that are the true outliers.

    Also, the Oklahoma Democratic Party activists are totally unlike the Democratic rank and file in Oklahoma. One way we may be different is that a small group of activists have reduced our party to their private club.

  • hamiltonr

    Is the Democratic Party is unrecoverable, then America is doomed, long term. It’s as simple as that. We have got to reform both these parties, because they are both operating independently of the people.

    As for it being impossible. Not by a long shot. The truth is, the Democratic Party was “reformed” into its present state by a relatively small number of activists who cared enough to show up and keep on showing up.

  • FW Ken

    I’ll give you the corporate masters, but “worship of the cult of Ayn Rand” and “war on the poor” are overplayed.

    RE: Ayn Rand, most guys had an Ayn Rand period in their lives. I was lucky to get mine over with in high school. Overall, her ideology is not human, but To deny that it has any value is hardly “worship”.

    As to a “war on the poor” you might think about whether policy differences on how to help the poor constitute a statement on the underlying values at work.

    For me, protecting the murder of a million or more babies a year trumps other considerations. But I also don’t like a lot about the Republicans.

  • hamiltonr

    We’ll have to see how it plays out. But if good people start going to precinct meetings, they can change both parties. They have the power. They simply aren’t using it.

  • Fran Inman

    May I offer a couple of thoughts? When the Democratic Party welcomed abortion as a platform and faithful Catholics did not leave the party in droves, it sent a message. The message was: “Even if you attack the sanctity of life, we will not abandon you.” One of the reason that good Catholic Democrats did not leave the party is because we, as Catholics, have become dependent on federal and state dollars (in the form of grants) to run some of our institutions (Title I in our schools, grant money in our soup kitchens, etc.) To make too much noise on abortion threatened funding. No one wants to buy the hand that holds the purse strings. Consequently, we have compromised our strongest of values, and we have been weak in dealing with politicians that dangle carrots while wielding a stick.
    I think that the ONLY way that things will change is at the grassroots level. At the moment, out-of-state money, PACs, and the National Committees (Republican and Democrat) hold a lot of sway at local elections with national implications… Part of the reason is that party adherents in gerrymandered districts will never cross the political divide to vote their Congresspersons out of office. (I will never vote for the current crop of pro-aborts, so I am left with our current representative.) The only way to change that is to NEVER have an uncontested primary. People should always have a choice at any election, no one should run without an opponent, and incumbents should always have to defend their votes to their constituents. This is a cheap remedy… Start a national campaign called “no uncontested election.” The national committees will not be able to defend every seat, they don’t have the money or the energy to do so.

  • pagansister

    There are a lot of reasons I’m a registered “Independent”. I vote for a person, not the party they belong to. Works for me.


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