Christ the Avenger

Jesus the Avenger

IO9 drew attention to the posted above, created by a Mexican church. What do you make of it? Does this detract from Easter, from The Avengers, or both? Or might it just generate some interesting conversations?

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  • Phil Ledgerwood

    It’s interesting that Captain America’s shield has been altered to have a cross as well as Iron Man’s core.

    It’s hard to evaluate without knowing what they mean. If I -guess- what they mean, my guess would be, “Hey, Avengers are popular, and Jesus should be, too, so let’s use the Avengers as a gateway platform for talking about Jesus,” in which case I think this is pretty dumb all around.

    But it would be interesting if this event were to talk about how Jesus has been co-opted by culture or the contrast between Jesus’ vocation and what we normally think of as deliverers or some such.

    • arcseconds

      That would be my guess. If it were a church in an English-speaking country, I’d be pretty confident that this would be correct, as it seems pretty common for churches to do naff things to try to paint Christianity as being cool and hip. Perhaps things are different in Mexico, but I’m not sure Gary’s point that they like wrestlers in masks points to a different conclusion…

      • Gary

        How can a person not like this?

        http://www.luchalibreworld.co.uk/show

        Almost beats chocolate Easter eggs on a church lawn. Almost. No deep theological backdrop. Just fun. Almost wish I could be in London in June.

        • arcseconds

          Roland Bathes disagrees about the lack of deep theological backdrop:

          When the hero or the villain of the drama, the man who was seen a few minutes earlier possessed by moral rage, magnified into a sort of metaphysical sign, leaves the wrestling hall, impassive, anonymous, carrying a small suitcase and arm-in-arm with his wife, no one can doubt that wrestling holds the power of transmutation which is common to the Spectacle and to Religious Worship.

          In the ring, and even in the depths of their voluntary ignominy, wrestlers remain gods because they are, for a few moments, the key which opens Nature, the pure gesture which separates Good from Evil, and unveils the form of a Justice which is at last intelligible.

          • Gary

            Too sophisticated for me.
            When I was a rug rat, my father would take me to wrestling in downtown San Diego, to watch Freddie Blassie call his opponents “Pencil-Necked Geeks”. Proof to me that “the form of a Justice which is at last intelligible”, to an 8 year old, comes down to raw, gut, schoolyard emotions.

            Come to think of it, I enjoyed being 8 years old, more than 68 years old. Much simpler “Good from Evil”.

          • Gary

            Thanks for the Bathes info. I had never heard of him before. But from Wiki, “Barthes used the term “myth” while analyzing the popular, consumer culture of post-war France in order to reveal that “objects were organized into meaningful relationships via narratives that expressed collective cultural values.””

            Everyone likes a good morality play. Freddie Blassie was the villain, and everyone liked seeing him get defeated. Punch and Judy (before my time), Tom and Jerry, Roadrunner and Coyote. Which comes back to the ultimate morality play tie-in. Pascua Juvenil (Defeating Death – or Evil, depending on your denomination). With or without superheroes.

            Added declaration – in small print – “The characters presented do not necessarily represent real people, either living or dead!” “Necessarily”, being the key, arguable, word. Chocolate eggs are more tangible, at least to an 8 year old.

  • I like the Mitchell and Web take on this theme, with the crime-fighting duo, Angel Summoner and BMX Bandit.

    BMX Bandit:
    I’ll ride in through that window using my BMX, and spin my rear wheel kicking some mud up into their faces; while they’re distracted, I’ll pop a wheelie, knocking the guns out of their hands. Then you go in and untie the girl.

    Angel Summoner:
    Right. Or I could just summon a horde of angels to sort it out.

    https://youtu.be/zFuMpYTyRjw

  • Gary

    Juvenil is “youth”, so not much different than every other church banner outside their building on Easter, “Easter Egg Hunt before/after service for kids”. Or, if very conservative, they have the hunt on Saturday instead of Sunday. Rabbits distributing chocolate eggs in secret across the church lawn before dawn might seem a little strange – unless you actually experienced it as a kid. Kids probably enjoy it more than communion, getting a piece of bread and maybe a sip of grape juice. Remember – Mexican culture enjoys wrestlers wearing outrageous masks too. Just a cultural thing.

  • slochmoeller

    So is Christ joining the avengers, or is He intercessing between Steve and Tony during Civil War?

  • BrambleTree

    Anyone else notice the line at the bottom right- Costo de recuperasion $200- means cost recovery $200. So is Jesus for sale here? Hmmm…

    • Gary

      I’m just guessing. But probably 200 pesos, about $10. And maybe a four day (April 12, 13, 14, and 15) event. Kind of like summer bible festival, but for Easter week. But I don’t know for sure. Probably cost covers snacks for the little ones.

      • BrambleTree

        Could be. I didn’t mean to sound real flip or accusatory. Just wondered. Is the peso sign same as dollar?

        • Gary

          I don’t think you sounded real flip or accusatory. I’ve just seen a lot of these bible carnival events for kids especially when the kids are on vacation from school – all hosted by churches, and some with some really crazy themes to catch the eye of the kids. Always pays to advertise in an imaginative way. I think it’s pretty common to use $ for pesos. My jaw would drop if the cost of a youth church event was $200 U.S.. unless it was in Beverly Hills. Then it wouldn’t be in Spanish. Unless it was for the maid and gardener kids 🙂

        • Gary

          Now, if it was a Scientology event in Beverly Hills…
          Ok, I’m guilty of being flip.

  • reynard61

    Marvel should sue for violation of both copyright and good taste!

    The problem that I have with replacing their “logos”/”symbols” (*especially* Cap’s star) is that, in the comics, both characters make *NO* differentiations when it comes to protecting innocent citizens from whatever “Supervillain-of-the-day” happens to be wreaking havoc on New York City or Sokovia — or even Latveria! (Wasn’t there a storyline at some point where the Avengers had to temporarily ally themselves with Dr. Doom in order to save the world?)

    The problem with putting crosses on them is that the question comes up: Are they still going to protect *any* innocent citizen who’s in danger, or are they only going to protect members of their Christian tribe and leave non-Christians to whatever fate awaits them?