Public elementary school asks students “I love Jesus because ___”

An anonymous resident of a small town in western North Carolina wrote in with a disturbing bit of news.

I wanted to share something with my fellow atheists.

I work at an elementary school as an assistant in a small town in western NC. Our school is participating in operation christmas where they send kids in third world countries a box of things they need (school supplies, toothbrushes, etc.) and I am more than excited to help out the less fortunate.

My niece also goes to this school and her first grade class was given this paper to fill out to let the kids who receive the boxes know who she is and where she lives. This is a great idea because they get to track which country their box goes to.

But, here is the issue. The paper that the entire class was given had fill-in-the-blanks. For example,

  • My name is ___.
  • I live in ___.
  • I love Jesus because ______.

This is a public elementary school and is clearly unacceptable. I would take this to the school board but I don’t want to risk losing my job. However, at the same time, I feel like I should not be afraid to speak out. Any thoughts?

This one is tough.

This person is clearly supportive of helping less fortunate people. But she views the U.S. Constitution as something not to be trampled along the way.

The offensive form is not necessary to give things to the poor. There is no reason why every student in the public school has to ‘explain’ their love for Jesus in order to send a box of supplies.

Are they seriously going to suggest that the children of Muslim, Jewish, and Atheist families should answer that question? Telling all the students to fill it out is just such a suggestion.

These types of items shouldn’t even be inside the boxes for other children in other nations to open up. Would these evangelicals really like to receive packages from Saudi Arabian children featuring treats, supplies, and Koran’s or messages about the prophet Mohammed? Maybe, but I doubt it. But in a public school program? They would throw a fit!

This video from Operation Christmas Child explains it all. It seems alright until about halfway through.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6y188rd_WBI?

The real reason this program exists is to convert people to a particular religion. That is fine for a church, but it has no place in a public school system.

This is a line that Samaratin’s Purse / Billy Graham Evangelical Association are always crossing. They’ve got hundreds of millions of dollars in their annual budget, and they use it to subvert and pervert the US Constitution on a regular basis.

I affirmed an oath to serve and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.  This is how I deal with ‘and domestic.’

Why this case is easy:

The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) has pretty explicit guidance and advice to people in this situation.

It is FFRF’s position that the First Amendment erected a “high and impregnable” wall of separation between government schools and church groups. There is no separation of government and soccer required, for example. We do not think a religious group with an agenda to proselytize children should be considered on par with children’s athletic teams. But if the price parents must pay to stop distribution of religious fliers is to forego announcements on soccer teams, it would be worth it. It may be necessary to lobby your school district to stop all outside distribution of fliers.

As a concerned parent, you have the right to request your school district amend the take-home flier policy to restrict this service to school-sponsored or co-sponsored events only.

If, however, your school district allows third parties to distribute take-home fliers, there are certain parameters that must be followed. The following illustrates some of the parameters discussed by federal courts and can be used as a guide in determining whether your district’s practice of distributing religious fliers constitutes a state/church violation.

1. Does the school district have a written fliers policy? Was the policy followed in this instance? Sometimes, teachers or parent volunteers take it upon themselves to distribute fliers on behalf of religious organizations without getting approval from the district. It is important to know whether the school granted access to the forum.

Here it is. Unfortunately, it seems they are attempting to create a ‘limited public forum’ here. There are a number of internal policies this still seems to be violating. Instructional time used, clearly marked as non-school, etc… Strike one.

But even if no violations were found, the only way forward is rather tricky. I’ve seen school districts that adopted such a policy in order to allow church handouts. A few months after being forced to send out Camp Quest pamphlets, and they completely changed their tune. They abolished their own proselytism efforts so that they wouldn’t have to share the stage with non-Christian efforts.

Long term strategy, but a good one.

2. Who assembled the take-home packet? Was the religious flier handled by a paid school official? A public school teacher may only have limited involvement in the distribution of religious fliers. Please note that the rights of students to pass out literature to their classmates are more expansive than those of third parties.

It seems teachers and administrators had a big part in this. Strike two.

3. Look at the fliers’ content. The flier should have a disclaimer disassociating the school from the religious group. The flier should not contain any proselytizing language, i.e., bible verses, Psalms, or other religious sayings. Likewise, the flier should not contain any religious symbols or imagery, i.e., a cross, depiction of Jesus, or images of children praying. Finally, the flier must notify the parents that permission slips must be signed in order for students to participate.

No question here. Strike three.

If, after reading the above information, you believe that the fliers sent home with your child violate state/church separation, you may contact FFRF for assistance in filing a complaint with the school district.

So the anonymous elementary school assistant has her answer.

What readers can do to help:

Contact the McDowell County School District, and raise your concerns.

Here are the email addresses and phone numbers:

Main Central Office Line: (828) 652-4535
Main Central Office Fax: (828) 659-2238

McDowell County School District Superintendent Dr. Ira Trollinger: Ira.Trollinger@mcdowell.k12.nc.us

Local Newspaper needs to be tipped off as well: news@mcdowellnews.com

American Atheists is proud to stand with their friends at the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I’m contacting them for an additional head’s up.

**UPDATE**

It looks like the superintendent of the School District wants to stop this immediately, but needs me to tell her which school it is. I’m still deployed to the sandbox (active duty Army) so time zones are messing things up. I’m trying to get through though!

Also, we just intercepted an epic rant from a defender of Operation Christmas Child. It’s called “Fuck You jewboy scum” and that’s the polite part.

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  • Gordon

    I left as polite a reply as you can when it includes the word disgusted

  • http://www.facebook.com/lhommealenvers matthusgougeus

    I would take this to the school board but I don’t want to risk losing my job. However, at the same time, I feel like I should not be afraid to speak out. Any thoughts ?

    I think you don’t risk your job at all. Their strategy is disgusting and against freedom of thinking.

    • http://www.facebook.com/freeman.molenaar charlesmiller

      My advice to anyone facing a situation like this is to contact a local affiliate of one of the national organizations in your city or state. If there is not one then contact the national organization for support.

      The advantage of contacting an organization based in your state is that leadership can meet directly with the violators and sometimes that is all that it takes to get them to stop. The other advantage is that a local activist can approach the officials as a constituent rather than as an “outside agitator” and we know that politicians have to pay attention to all of their constituents.

      The Secular Coalition for Alabama stands ready to meet with and confront government officials who violate SOCAS. If you know of and can substantiate a SOCAS violation in Alabama, please contact SC4AL through the “Contact us” link on our website http://www.secularal.org

      Charles Miller Director Secular Coalition for Alabama

  • Steve

    What should be made clear here is that it’s not the charity itself that’s the problem – as some radical Christotaliban think in light of the recent AFA incident.

    They can hand out all the packages and toys they want. Just leave out the overt religious references and proselytizing (which is of course the main goal). Kids can read their own meaning into it. Some may do it because it’s Christmas and others simply because it’s a nice thing to do

    • Justin Griffith

      How about Toys for Tots ?

      Founded by Marine Corps reservists…

      Still looking for an international charity.

  • http://kpharri.wordpress.com/ Keith

    I have sent a polite email to the superintendent.

  • Kim

    “We can be the hands and feet of Jesus…”

    I guess that means they can kick and trample whatever they want– with *mystical healing powers*. Ooo.

  • Caroline

    I live in Canada, and my old Catholic high school participates in Operation Christmas Child, except without any religious sentiment. Everybody bought stuff to fill their own boxes and then they were packed off to somewhere in Africa I believe.

  • Churchlady

    I work for a large Christian (Protestant) organization and we TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. This use of public schools to promote any religion, especially an outrageously evangelical action, and requiring children of all faiths or none to say why they “love Jesus” is despicable. I’m sorry if the teacher is that intimidated he/she cannot challenge this – and that’s a genuine political concern to be sure – but this is beyond the pale. We work closely with the Military Religious Freedom Foundation supporting the rights of believers and especially NON believers to keep those in our military who are agnostic and atheist free from religion that they don’t embrace. That’s the ground of our Constitution and MUST be honored. Not one penny of taxpayer money must support proselytizing (never mind how despicable Franklin Graham is anyway) so those of us outside the school system do need to speak up and out on behalf of the Constitution and for schools distancing themselves from religious actions. Thank you for doing this – we have our hands full with the same issue that MRFF is fighting in the US Air Force Academy. Franklin has oozed his way into too many sycophants’ actions. Time to pull his plug.

    • Justin Griffith

      Please, do link to your charity. I’ve heard Mikey and Chris Rodda talking about it before.

      The atheist crowd is pretty diverse. Some still ‘do santa’ and volunteer like the person in this story initially wanted to do… Others (like me) aren’t into the santa thing, but don’t interfere with anybody else. Some want to go to kindergarten classes and tell everyone that santa is a lie (I made this last one up).

      In the interest of serving the diverse readership at FtB, I think it would be nice to have a link to a charity that makes it a point NOT to cross constitutional lines.

      MRFF rocks. :)

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  • Old_Warhrose

    Thanks for the heads up on this, I’ll be contacting the individuals listed above immediately.

  • fastlane

    Sending another donation to MRFF and FFRF.

    I’ve worked with school boards and had some knock down drag outs over non-religious, but still stupid, stuff. I’ll wordsmith something and send it to the school board and copy the FFRF and the local (NC) ACLU.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    • Justin Griffith

      Don’t forget American Atheists <— THATS ME!!! We got the word out, and quite possibly fixed this before a court case even was necessary…

      Though all of those guys are great too, and it may well come to litigation. American Atheists rocks beyond belief… I'm just sayin'

  • P Smith

    Our blogger mentioned the so-called “care packages” that Sow’s Purse and other proselytizers send out. For those who forgot or never heard about it, read up on what such groups did after the tsunami of December 2004.

    http://reliefweb.int/node/164909

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/22/international/worldspecial4/22preach.html?pagewanted=print&position=

    http://www.internationalreportingproject.org/stories/detail/546/

    http://www.hhh.umn.edu/humanitarianisms/pdf/Ahmed%20-%20A%20Dangerous%20Mix,%20Religion%20and%20Developmental%20Aid%20.pdf

    Victims were essentially told, “convert or die”. If they didn’t “accept jeezus”, they weren’t given food and supplies. And many orphans were kidnapped by christian and put into “orphanages” – much like they did in Haiti – instead of being placed with relatives.

    .

  • nude0007

    I’d have my kid put:”Because he doesn’t exist and stays out of my life.” If I had a kid. I kid you not.

    Of course, then there is the consideration of repercussions by teacher and classmates. Contact FFRF and ACLU and let the captital letters do the talking.

  • Stumbler

    Okay… For one thing it should be recognized that these boxes are not intended to “convert” children who put items into them. That would be moronic. Anyone who has ever been to ANY church in their entire life and has a basic understanding of ANY kind of faith (catholicism, Judaism, christianity, or otherwise) would have enough sense to realize that the church as a body is interested in those who want to get to know their faith and be an ACTIVE participant in a relationship with whichever God they worship. Therefor it is completely illogical to fly off the handle and jump ahead to saying this is meant to convert children when no church on the planet would consider someone answering the question “I love Jesus because” a form of conversion any more than me saying “I love allah because” would make me muslim.

    Second- you need to stop and recognize that the organization was started by a group of people who are Christian and recognize Christ as their lord and savior. That shouldn’t lessen what they are trying to do, which is get needy children things they can use. As with any faith those who truly believe are always going to see their lives through the lens of their faith. I would dare to say that the organization would never even have been started were it not felt on the part of the ones who began it, that it was God’s wish for them to express His love to those in need through their organization. Stop putting people on blast for their faith. If a kid doesn’t want to fill out the form they don’t have to do so. I did this last year at my university. The form is optional. They could even leave that line blank. The reality is, that the people who do go out and try to make a difference in the lives of the extremely poverty stricken are usually those who feel directed to do so by one God or another. So calm yourself down or start your own organization. But you are just going to hurt things for those in need and for kids who SHOULD absolutely experience giving to another human in need.

    • Kim

      I like to think I’m the smartest and most attractive person ever, but that’s not a good excuse to treat people like shit now is it? People should really put on their “reality goggles” and quit trolling.

      • Aliasalpha

        Hang on, you’re the smartest and most attractive person ever? That used to be MY title!

    • Steve

      Bullshit. People do good because they want to be good. There are in fact large, entirely secular charities. The Red Cross (despite its name) or Doctors Without Borders are entirely non-religious. Or as mentioned above, Toys for Tots, which is all about giving children Christmas presents, but doesn’t actually push religion.

      Also, this isn’t just about the kids who are coerced to sign this, but the ones who receive the presents and are preached to in the process. The main goal of this “charity” is evangelizing. Doing good works is clearly secondary.

      Your screed demonstrates again why Christianity is a sick and immoral religion. People are worthless, bad wretches and the only thing that could possibly compel them to be halfway decent and have any hope to be good in the afterlife is a belief in god. How utterly debasing and inhuman.

      • Zach

        So I am an agnostic, I was bullied by major Christian religions as a child and I understand both sides of the railroad track as well as I believe a single person is able to. So…while I can see where you are coming from, I hate to tell you this, but you are taking the extreme other side. Lets look at this in some moderation.

        This is wrong. Of that I have no doubt. The fact that we put a form into a school that implies that all children love Jesus is not good. The fact that the group putting on this charity are implying (intentional or not) that the receiving party needs to know that the people who are better off than them are Christian is also rude. I’m not arguing that. That line REALLY should be taken off of the form if not for keeping religion out of schools, but to be respectful of the receiving culture.

        But..I honestly doubt that the main purpose of this organization or event is evangelism, I would fully believe that charity and doing good things is the main focus of this project. It just so happens that they have this lovely opportunity to spread their “good word” at the same time. Think of it like a celebrity that supports a charity. He’s doing it because he supports the charity (90% of the time), the fact that he gets publicity for doing so is frequently (or at least should be) secondary. To believe that a charity is primarily designed to evangelize based on a slip of paper with a single sentence on it is willfully pessimistic at best.

        Relax man, some people really do just want to do good.

        • Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

          Yes, some people just want to do good. But did you even watch the video? The good that these people want to do is to convert the recipients of their little Trojan horses to their religion so that they can all chill out together in Heaven after they die.

      • Aliasalpha

        I’d tend to doubt its active evangelising too, my immediate thought was that it was a desire to help coupled with blind privilege. They’re jesus-happy and doing good so they naturally assume its jesus-related and see no real problem with pointing it out because its so obvious to them.

        Less malicious & more ignorant

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rockbeyondbelief/ Justin Griffith

          I could just tell you that anything funded by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is more about evangelism than anything else. And I would be right.

          Or… you could watch the video like everyone else. They freely admit their goal is to spread Jesus over all else.

          • Noah the epistemic pinata

            As someone who has done charity work in the area, I found the OCC in Mongolia video particularly disturbing. Samaritan’s Purse misrepresents history, mocks local religion, uses the shoebox as a conversion tool, and requires children to attend bible lessons and evangelical ceremonies in order to participate in the program.

            It’s rather obvious that the focus of the operation is not on giving presents to the needy; it’s about spreading a particular denomination of fundamentalist Christianity to children. The majority of countries where OCC operates are Buddhist, Hindu, or Muslim. Many of the children, and their families, are pressured to convert in return for trinkets. This is not a classy operation.

    • Libba Murphey

      The problem comes in the school when a child does not fill in the blank, the child next to her/him asks why, then when the first child replies because I am a Muslim/Jew/atheist/Rastafarian or whatever. Then that next child spreads the word and that child is teased, ostracized or otherwise harassed. There is NO reason for a public school to hand out such a form. If they want to do it at their church, go for it, but NOT in this situation. Thank you.

    • Aquaria

      The dishonesty is stunning here.

      Okay… For one thing it should be recognized that these boxes are not intended to “convert” children who put items into them. That would be moronic.

      The only moronic thing there is your thinking that dog will hunt.. When you hand a child a piece of paper that tells them to say why they like Jesus, that is pushing to convert them.. And the boxes are used to bribe desperately poor people to be converted, anyway.

      TWO LIES for one. Even by the standards of your average christard, that’s quite a feat.

      Anyone who has ever been to ANY church in their entire life and has a basic understanding of ANY kind of faith (catholicism, Judaism, christianity, or otherwise) would have enough sense to realize that the church as a body is interested in those who want to get to know their faith and be an ACTIVE participant in a relationship with whichever God they worship.

      1) We know what religions are and do. Most of us here have been subjected to your version of it, no less, so stop thinking you know something about your genocidal scam that we don’t. Any two-year-old knows what you con artists are up to. Capisce?

      2) None of that crap belongs in a a public school. What part of that are you refusing to understand?

      Therefor it is completely illogical to fly off the handle and jump ahead to saying this is meant to convert children when no church on the planet would consider someone answering the question “I love Jesus because” a form of conversion any more than me saying “I love allah because” would make me muslim.

      1) Profoundly dishonest. You’d be bouncing off the walls if your child’s public school handed your child a document and told them to fill in a blank that said “I love Allah because___.” You’d be upset, because you wouldn’t want the school to be proselytizing the Islamic scam on your children. At least be honest enough to recognize how you would actually react, rather than thinking you can fool us that you’d be all hunky dory with it. Because you wouldn’t. We know that better than you’re willing to admit.

      2) More dishonesty. It’s obvious what this is for. It doesn’t matter if it’s to convert the kids themselves (although it is, no matter how much bullshit you tell to the contrary), it is intended to convert people for a particular religious scam at some point. That is not legal for a state-supported institution to do. Get used to that idea.

      Second- you need to stop and recognize that the organization was started by a group of people who are Christian and recognize Christ as their lord and savior.

      I don’t care if it was started by people who were Muslim who recognize Mohammed as the prophet of Allah, peace be upon him. RELIGIOUS GROUPS DO NOT GET TO USE GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS TO RUN THEIR CONS. This is firmly established legal precedent, going all the way back to the Bill of Rights. Here, let me help you understand why:

      “Congress shall make no law establishing religion.”

      Getting a state-run institution to do a religion’s dirty work is establishing religion! The government can’t show any preference at all to any religion. You can participate all you want, but the government cannot. No matter how much you scream to the contrary, this is reality. This is what the founders intended.

      Get over it.

      That shouldn’t lessen what they are trying to do, which is get needy children things they can use.

      Only if they’re willing to convert to your scam.

      As with any faith those who truly believe are always going to see their lives through the lens of their faith.

      It doesn’t matter what their faith is. No religion has the right to have public school teachers pushing kids to push a religious con.

      I would dare to say that the organization would never even have been started were it not felt on the part of the ones who began it, that it was God’s wish for them to express His love to those in need through their organization.

      By forcing the recipients of their charity to be converted to get those goods. The only feeling religion ever has is to get more converts.. If doing pseudo-charitable works lets them get more converts, then they’re going to do that. They still can’t use public school kids to do their dirty work for them.

      Are you starting to get the hint?

      Stop putting people on blast for their faith.

      Stop telling people that they either have to respect having a delusion (aka faith), or for thinking that it is wrong for you frauds to get public schools to push your scam like a dime bag of weed.

      If a kid doesn’t want to fill out the form they don’t have to do so.

      It doesn’t matter if the kid has to fill it out. It is still wrong of the school to try to get ANY child to participate in doing this religious group’s dirty work. It’s so wrong, it’s illegal.

      I did this last year at my university.

      Did a professor in a publicly funded university require you to do this when you were supposed to be learning something worthwhile? If he did, he’s in violation of the Constitution. It’s illegal for a state-supported institution to even try to force people to do the dirty work of your con.

      I’m going to keep saying this in the hopes that it will finally sink in.

      The form is optional. They could even leave that line blank.

      How do you know that’s how it was done in this case? How do you think a child would know the difference between doing it and not doing it, and how do you know they didn’t find it very damned optional to leave it blank, when they could know they’d be ostracized for doing so? It’s not like Franklin Graham, or his followers, have a stellar track record in respecting other people’s religious freedom.

      And it doesn’t matter if it was optional. IT’S STILL ILLEGAL TO USE A STATE-SUPPORTED INSTITUTION TO DO ANY RELIGION’S DIRTY WORK.

      The reality is, that the people who do go out and try to make a difference in the lives of the extremely poverty stricken are usually those who feel directed to do so by one God or another.</i

      You're not making a difference in the lives of the poor by making the sell their supposed souls for some pencils. But even if you were helping, IT'S STILL ILLEGAL TO USE A STATE-SUPPORTED INSTITUTION TO DO ANY RELIGION'S DIRTY WORK.

      So calm yourself down or start your own organization.

      You’re the one who’s out of control, so angry and hysterical that you’re willfully blind to something called secular charity. So you need to calm down so you can get off your high horse and realize that there are secular organizations that provide all kinds of goods and services to those in need. Unlike your pious scam, they have the decency not to expect anything in return for it. They give–because they care about people. Not about converts.

      But you are just going to hurt things for those in need and for kids who SHOULD absolutely experience giving to another human in need.

      Anyone who truly cares about the poor wouldn’t support an organization that blackmails desperate people to sell a delusion. That person would support a group that does real charity work, and doesn’t expect people to sell their supposed souls for some pencils and toys.

      That’s what you don’t get.

  • Woof

    I love Jesus because he does such a nice job on the lawn.

  • Woof

    DOMINICAN freaking REPUBLIC? Have these fuckwits not heard of that little hellhole next door called HAITI?

  • Kimberly

    Sorry I call BS on the superintendent needing YOU to tell which school it is. There are only 7 elementary schools in that district. My district has 21. Our superintendent would have all 21 principals (22 if you count the alternative placement campus) on a conference call and say this stops NOW.

    A few years ago I had a very aggravating Saturday. Every were I went I was confronted with kids panhandling for band, choir, – well every extra curricular except Football and cheerleading. I fired off a very angry e-mail to the superintendent of the district I live in wanting to know what was going on. When I say panhandling I mean aggressive panhandling. I was chased down in parking lots and told I need money for my (insert activity here) what will you give me. They had card tables set up in front of stores. I didn’t know which school/schools it was. But boy I got a response and every kid was told if there was a repeat performance they would be kicked out of extra curriculars.

  • james

    i’m a christian and i do participate in operation christmas child but i do not agree with this being done in a public school unless you leave out the jesus bits. its not fair to children or faculty of other religions or atheists. we do this as a community church. i have many friends of other religions and many of them do this as well just not with the religious backing. pack a box of goodies so a kid in another country has a smile when they open the box. my family isnt wealthy but we’re good people.

    • Noah the epistemic pinata

      i do not agree with this being done in a public school unless you leave out the jesus bits.

      The Operation Christmas Child program is similar to missionary work in nature. Even if you remove the Jesus bits in the public school, that school would still be supporting the spread of fundamentalist Christianity.

      The efforts of the children, teachers, and parents would go towards promoting Franklin Graham’s particular blend of religion. Local taxpayers money would still be going towards converting Buddhist, Muslim, and Hindu children in impoverished areas around the world.

      I know there are a lot of alternatives in the UK, where this kind of Christmas gifting is popular. The Rotary Shoebox Scheme, for example, doesn’t force specific religious beliefs on anyone. In the US, there is always Toys for Tots.

      I hope the school can find a better charity!

  • bobbler

    There should be some penalty when they break the law like this. Although highly inappropriate, have we ever heard of them losing their job over this? This tells fundies everywhere it is open season to try and destroy the Constitutional separation of church and state anytime they get the chance..

    What if I was in a position of authority over other peoples children and I asked “why do you believe religion has caused more suffering and death than any idea in human history?” Or”why do you ive allah?” Or “why do you love Satan?” It is highly inappropriate to do this to children (asking highly divisive questions in this case), when adults cant handle it (and have been “killing” each other over it for thousands of years)..

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