I watched John Piper and Douglas Wilson Talk About “Homosexuality, Abortion, and Race” for TWO HOURS

(Update: Now with 100% more Ron Swanson gifs, inspired by my Facebook friend Neal)

Pray for me, friends. I shall need a few days to recover from this.

A couple of weeks ago, I discovered that Douglas Wilson and John Piper  did a roundtable on the topics of “homosexuality, abortion, and race.” I don’t know what possessed me to do this, but I watched the dang thing, and I shared some choice quotes on Twitter yesterday.

Much of this video was John Piper trying to excuse Douglas Wilson’s history (and present) of White Supremacy (you can read about that history here, here, here, and here). Piper and Wilson then compare slavery to abortion, insist that black people are the ones responsible for voting in our “pro-abortion” president, and hint that this means black people are just as at-fault for abortion as white people are for slavery.

Piper and Wilson talk about being arrested during their past involvement as part of an anti-choice group that would stand outside of abortion clinics and harass women in order to “rescue” them.

They then discuss how Wilson rejoices when he is called a racist because he knows it’s not truly–merely a form of persecution that Christ will bless him for enduring.

They later get around to discussing LGBTQ people and issues, and, not-surprisingly, say some pretty disturbing things about that. For instance, John Piper, with a huge smile on his face, wonders if God is going to send some new disease to get gay people to “wake up” and turn from their sin.

I’ve Storified quotes from throughout the entire video. If you’re interested in what these two influential Christian leaders are saying in this video but don’t want to take two hours out of your time to watch the whole thing, this Storify is for you!

Content Note: Racism, Anti-Abortion Rhetoric, Homophobia and Transphobia

 

  • http://musings.northerngrove.com/ JarredH

    Piper and Wilson then compare slavery to abortion, insist that black
    people are the ones responsible for voting in our “pro-abortion”
    president, and hint that this means black people are just as at-fault
    for abortion as white people are for slavery.

    Nope! No racism there! None at all! (Is my sarcasm sufficiently obvious?)

    For instance, John Piper, with a huge smile on his face, wonders if God
    is going to send some new disease to get gay people to “wake up” and
    turn from their sin.

    You know, the next person who tries to tell me that conservative Christians are just “nice people” who are being “unfairly attacked” as haters for “having a different opinion”…..

    Off to wade through your Storify. In the meantime, please treat yourself well after putting yourself through watching that video.

    • http://scyllacat.livejournal.com Scylla Kat

      yeah, I can’t even. Thanks to everyone who keeps an eye on these people for me.

  • http://www.wideopenground.com/ Lana

    My gosh, I’m sick to my stomach. I can’t believe I ever listened to these people. If Piper wants to be take seriously even as a conservative bigoted evangelical, he has no business hanging out with Wilson.

    And a fund? Dear Lord!

  • http://www.wideopenground.com/ Lana

    pomosexuality? That is hilarious. Postmodernism is good, but I bet they don’t know what it is.

  • http://gaychristiangeek.blogspot.com Rainicorn

    *smh* Lord have mercy. Thank you for this summary, Sarah. I couldn’t have stomached two hours of this poison, but it’s important to know what these people are saying. You’ve done a great service.

    “God makes divisions and then sets them in place. That’s our fundamental narrative.” <– my GOD. What a HORRIBLE theology. I… I can't even.

  • http://www.anirenicon.com/ Allen O’Brien

    I tried really hard to watch the video, but I could not. I’m sorry. I could not get past Piper saying that Wilson is commendable because he didn’t start a civil war over abortion.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/holyhugs/ Jim Fisher

    Sarah, how painful! It has taken me years to recover from a three-day “Desiring God” conference many years ago when I was poking into what he and Driscoll were up to. I pray your two hours of suffering through their twisted theology quickly turns to dust and are whisked away into oblivion. May their words never take on a life of their own.

  • Kagi Soracia

    Oh my god. Oh my GOD these guys make my skin crawl. D: It disturbs me deeply that my father is still such a fan of Piper’s writing. Don’t know if he’s ever heard him speak but I’m not guessing he’d disagree much regardless. D: D: D:


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