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L.B.: Three Days of the Chicken

Left Behind, pp. 283-288

It's now early Tuesday morning and Buck Williams is headed to the Plaza Hotel for a late night interview with Nicolae Carpathia.

We still don't know why Buck wants to interview the Romanian president. He's determined to ask Nicolae for protection from the international conspiracy — so determined that he hasn't eaten or slept in more than 24 hours. One assumes, though, that this part of the conversation would be separate from the interview he hopes to conduct for Global Weekly. It's also not clear why Nicolae would offer such protection. The only reason Buck suspects he would be able to help is because Buck thinks he's in league with the conspirators. If he is, then why would he agree to protect a journalist working to expose their plot? If he isn't, then what possible help could he offer?

My guess is that while Rayford was on the phone with Hattie, Buck talked with the authors and they assured him that they'd make sure his strange plan worked out.

The first hurdle to this plan is the NYPD, who have been duped into working on behalf of Scotland Yard and Interpol who, in turn, are working on behalf of the international conspiracy. It seems that, since Buck escaped the car bomb intended to kill him, he is now wanted by the corrupt London police. So Buck has to avoid the local police in Manhattan who would, he believes, arrest him on sight and immediately extradite him to England where he would be framed for murder.

All of that might make for the stuff of a diverting thriller, except that the authors haven't bothered to explain the substance of the shadowy conspiracy (better maguffins, please), or why we should consider Buck heroic for backing off of his investigation.

The plan to sneak Buck into the hotel is for Steve Plank to act as a decoy. Steve will go in first with Buck's credentials, so if he gets stopped by the police, they'll take away the wrong man:

Both knew the plan was flimsy, but Buck was willing to try anything …

Anything including begging Carpathia to get Stonagal et. al. to call off the dogs. I can't help but think about the ending to one of my favorite Innocent-Man-Embroiled-in-an-International-Scheme movies, Three Days of the Condor (starring a young Robert Redford with his Carpathian good looks, and John Houseman as Dick Cheney).

[Mild spoiler alert here for those who haven't seen the movie and/or who aren't familiar with the conventions of the IMEIAIS genre.]

Cliff Robertson offers Redford a chance to broker a deal. Redford refuses, saying he's already told the press everything he knows, exposing the conspiracy. The dialogue that follows is archetypal:

ROBERTSON: It didn't have to end this way.

REDFORD: Of course it did.

Yes, of course it did, because that's how these conspiracy stories work. That's what the heroes of these conspiracy stories do. It's what makes them heroes.

Buck is trying to turn this scene around. He's trying to throw himself on the mercy of the conspirators. He wants to say to them that, "It doesn't have to end this way." Unlike Redford, or Cary Grant, or Gene Wilder, or Goldie Hawn, or Bruce Willis, or Will Smith, or Francesca Brown (or even Richard Grieco, for goodness sakes) Buck throws in the towel. He doesn't think of using the power of the press to expose the conspiracy — this despite the fact that he is the press, and if they wanted he and Steve could put their story on every newstand in America. (They might not have a clue yet as to what Stonagal and Todd-Cothran are up to, but Global Weekly could at least go public with what they've uncovered about the lethal coverup.)

So all of the taking-separate-cabs and switching-press-ID tricks that Buck and Steve employ in this little set piece fail to impress. It's hard to be impressed when all those tricks are in the service of our so-called hero trying to negotiate the terms of his surrender with the bad guys.

Anyway, the switcheroo works and Buck gets Chaim Rosenzweig — the Nobel-laureate botanist now serving as Carpathia's personal secretary — on the phone.

"Chaim, I have to move quickly, I'll be using the name Plank, all right?"

"I'll arrange it with Nicolae and get him to my room somehow. You come." He told Buck the number.

That's Rosenzweig's room number, not Carpathia's. We all already know what his room number is.

A competing reporter named Miller overhears this. Like the rest of the national press corps, apparently, Miller has been hanging out in the lobby of the Plaza, hoping for a shot at an interview with Carpathia (because, you know, The Event was last week's news and there's nothing else worth covering). Having already gotten scooped by People and Nightline, Miller doesn't want to get scooped again by Buck, so he tries to race Buck to Rosenzweig's suite to steal the interview.

High jinks ensue. This takes several pages, none of which is good, but since what we're interested in here is the instructively bad aspects of our book, we'll just briefly summarize that Buck shows flashes of violence:

He grabbed Miller's shirt at the neck and pressed him against the wall. …

Then a bit later:

Buck, younger and in better shape, overtook Miller and tackled him in the hallway …

Buck yanked Miller to his feet and put him in a headlock.

What's notable here is that this is how LaHaye & Jenkins seem to think most investigative reporting works. They think it's all about chasing the celebrity interview — being the one guy who gets the Big Interview that everyone else fails to get, even if that means tackling your competitors and putting them into a headlock. I'm pretty sure Seymour Hersh has never done this. (Or, thinking back to another movie starring a young Robert Redford, I don't remember a scene in All the President's Men involving Woodward and Bernstein gang-tackling Jack Anderson outside of Deep Throat's suite at the Plaza.)

The authors' understanding of how actual reporting works seems about as reality-based as their understanding of the geography of Manhattan.

Buck and Miller's wrestling match is finally interrupted by Carpathia himself, ever the peacemaker, surrounded by "four men in dark suits":

"Excuse me gentlemen," Carpathia said. "Pardon me."

"Oh, Mr. Carpathia, sir, I mean President Carpathia," Miller called out.

"Sir?" Carpathia said, turning to face him. The bodyguards glowered. "Oh, hello, Mr. Williams," Carpathia said, noticing Buck. "Or should I say Mr. Oreskovich? Or should I say Mr. Plank?"

The interloper stepped forward. "Eric Miller from Seaboard Monthly."

"I know it well, Mr. Miller," Carpathia said, "but I am late for an appointment. If you will call me tomorrow, I will talk to you by phone. Fair enough?"

Miller agrees and slinks away, aware of his place in the journalist pecking order (Seaboard Monthly ranks below Global Weekly but ahead of State Quarterly and Small Town Annual). Anyway, he's late for drinks with Dirk Burton and Alan Tompkins.

"Come on in, Buck," Carpathia said, motioning him to follow. Buck was silent. "That is what they call you, is it not?"

"Yes, sir," Buck said, certain that not even Rosenzweig knew that.

Buck is understandably a bit shaken by Nicolae's mystic powers of nickname recognition, but probably also a bit reassured. The more powerful Carpathia proves to be, after all, the more likely he'll be able to arrange for favorable terms of surrender with Stonagal's conspiracy.

  • Rich

    What I want to know is, how many weeks has it been since Global Weekly has published a friggin issue?

  • Dahne

    Me, I subscribe to Multiverse Picosecond. Best place to find out what’s going on in the astral realms, or the current lunch menu in the prison plane of Curst, bar none.
    Bugmaster: So we’ve got a level 20 Antichrist (I’m thinking priest/mage) with his level 1 Jew minion versus a level 5 Commercial Pilot, a level 2 Girl (silly liberal colleges don’t give many experience points) and a 5 GIRAT. Seems pretty uneven. No wonder they have to call in the level 100 Face Melter.

  • Jake

    I missed something: why is Buck disguising himself as Plank considered a good/necessary idea? Is this fooling the guys who are trying to kill him? They’re the worst conspirators ever.

  • Drak Pope

    They’re doing it because the author told them to, Jake.

  • Mat

    When does the guy from National Fortnight show up?

  • Mnemosyne

    (which I watched solely because Carpathia had the coolest accent, and the evilest demeanor, of all the B-movie villains I’ve ever seen)
    Did he sound anything like Andrei Codrescu? Because I could listen to that guy for hours. Best accent on NPR.

  • Jeff

    mcc: Considering that practically the entire press corps present at the U.N. thing appeared to know Williams personally, and as Brian J points out above this nickname is something known to those people who know him professionally, is it really that surprising that his nickname would be known to a politician who’d heard of him, even one without magic powers?
    Yes, but Buck was “on the run” and hiding from the cops while at the UN, so no-one remembers seeing him there. Or something. In the words of the producers of LOST, “it’s complicated”.

  • Jeff

    Considering that practically the entire press corps present at the U.N. thing appeared to know Williams personally, and as Brian J points out above this nickname is something known to those people who know him professionally, is it really that surprising that his nickname would be known to a politician who’d heard of him, even one without magic powers?
    I cfigured it out. Just as L&J have, whenever possible, taken the theme, messsage, or plot from a good movie or book, and turned it into its opposite, that’s what they’re doing here. It also explains why Ray and Chloe had to go to Atlanta: It’s “South By Southeast”!

  • Wesley Parish

    Probably Off-Topic, Fred Clark, but I was wondering, have you ever read The Wheel of Time (WoT) series? It seems like the ideal antidote for the Left Behind (LB) series (which for the life of me I can’t dissociate from Rump Steak from the Lefthand Side of the animal. ;).
    In WoT, there’s a group of psychos out to destroy the world, servants of the Dark One and calling themselves The Chosen, with their hangers-on, the Dark Friends.
    There are the Seven Seals – sorry, it’s terribly species-ist: the Walruses were called, but none were chosen, and the Sea Lions wanted nothing of the action … and it’s all because of that Hippo in Meet the Feebles, I take it … ;)
    And there are a set of individuals working heroically to prevent the Dark One from returning to take over the world.
    It is this Dispensationalism in reverse, where the evil people are trying to bring about an irruption of divine/diabolical energy into the world, to change it forever, and the good people are trying to stop them. A fantasy writer using the worst available mythology at hand, and turning it on its head.

  • Elmo

    Seaboard Monthly is to Atlantic Weekly
    as
    Stonagal is to Rockefeller.
    You need to be on your toes to play “The Name Game” with Jerry Jenkins.

  • Chris

    The whole Plank/Williams thing is eerily foreshadowed by a line from the letters of, of all people, Oscar Wilde -
    “I am staying at the Hotel Brunswick under the name of Robert Ross. Robert is in the next room under the name of Oscar Wilde. It is thought best that we do not use our own names.”
    That may be the first time in the entire Slacktivist series that Buck Williams and Oscar Wilde have been brought into the same post.

  • Lila

    Mnemosyne, have you heard Codrescu and Susan Stamberg reading Daniel Pinkwater’s “Wempires”? You should.

  • Technocracygirl

    Probably Off-Topic, Fred Clark, but I was wondering, have you ever read The Wheel of Time (WoT) series? It seems like the ideal antidote for the Left Behind (LB) series (which for the life of me I can’t dissociate from Rump Steak from the Lefthand Side of the animal. ;)…A fantasy writer using the worst available mythology at hand, and turning it on its head.
    No, a fantasy author turning the worst tropes on their heads is Diana Wynne Jones’ The Tough Guide to Fantasyland and/or Dark Lord of Derkholm. Or Eve Forward’s Evil by Necessity. Or Banwreaker and Godslayer by Jaqueline Carey. Robert Jordan is turgid, overwrought, unedited tedium.
    Most fantasy has a small band seeking to overthrow the big bad evil that’s multiple levels below the ability levels of the heroes. The authors above turn those tropes on their heads and look at it from the evil perspective. From everything that I’ve read of Jordan (gave up in book four because I was bored to tears) he doesn’t really add anything new to the genre besides making insanely large books spread out over large periods of (real life) time popular. (Which gave the world George R. R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire, saga, so that’s kind of nice. Though Martin’s latest book also needed to be edited more than it was.)

  • Drak Pope

    How is this the “worst mythology available”? Yeah, it’s kind of silly, but it’s not exactly unique in being so.

  • The Old Maid

    Let me see if I’ve got this straight: Chaim Rozensweig, the Israeli supergenius who made Israel wealthier than the oil nations and brought peace to the Mideast, has given up science to become an assistant to the President of Romania?
    Indications are that Carpathia hypnotized him first, because Chaim has so many acquaintances who also are gifted. Carpathia eventually wants a cabinet to run his government. He keeps Chaim with him so that Chaim can recommend desirable candidates for specific jobs. In time Carpathia will want a press secretary, and Chaim initially recommends Buck. (Steve Plank ultimately gets the job, so he needed to be in this scene for the reader to catch the connection.)

  • none

    “He grabbed Miller’s shirt at the neck and pressed him against the wall…..”
    “Buck, younger and in better shape, overtook Miller and tackled him in the hallway …”
    “Buck yanked Miller to his feet and put him in a headlock.”
    I think it’s cute when couples wrestle around for a little bit before sex……

  • Jeff

    Mnemosyne, have you heard Codrescu and Susan Stamberg reading Daniel Pinkwater’s “Wempires”? You should.
    Codrescu, Stamberg and Pinkwater? That soounds delicious — I’ll have to see what I can track down. LATER: I can’t find it on Google or YouTube. But I did find “Letters to Daniel” on his web-page — fun to read!

  • the opoponax

    Not to mention, of course, why on earth would any random officer from the NYPD recognize him on sight? There are just too damn many NYPD beat cops out there, with way too much to do, to memorize the face of some guy who might be in trouble in the UK. Maybe if the crime had happened locally, but even then — there are often high profile cases here where the police are looking for a known suspect for WEEKS before he or she is finally caught. And even then it’s much more likely that they’ll be caught by standard policework, a tipoff, or by being found out trying to get on a plane, pulled over for speeding, or something like that.
    And, of course, the best way for Buck to avoid being caught is to avoid known associates (Steve Plank), TV appearances (the UN press conference), using his phone, and the like. And didn’t he actually go to his own house a few chapters ago? That’s, like, the PRIME area you want to avoid if you’re on the lam, because it’s going to be chock full of cops who actually will recognize you on sight, because they’re the ones who’ve been assigned the case…

  • X

    Re: America and extradition, there was a case a while back where Canada had picked up some Americans, but refused to extradite them when the Niagara county I think) American prosecutor had announced that they could either come home by choice, or there would be a big boyfriend waiting for them in jail. Canada refused extradition on the grounds that it cannot send someone to a place where they are threatened punishment with sexual violence. I’d never been prouder to be Canadian in my life.

  • ako

    And, of course, the best way for Buck to avoid being caught is to avoid known associates (Steve Plank), TV appearances (the UN press conference), using his phone, and the like.
    A Left Behind character not using his phone? However would he info-dump communicate? How could he possibly have a conversation? Actually talk to people in person? Madness, I tell you! Madness!

  • Dahne

    “He grabbed Miller’s shirt at the neck and pressed him against the wall…..”
    I think it’s cute when couples wrestle around for a little bit before sex……
    And here I thought I’d just been reading too much slash.

  • Nenya

    I’ve been ‘shipping Buck/Plank (ow my brain) for several weeks now, Dahne. :D It’s almost enough to edge out the Buck/Nic Pyrenees.

  • none

    The next time you see Plank, he’s stuck in a wheelchair with half his face missing, a la bad guy in Hannibal. He didn’t ‘accept Christ’ soon enough, and was caught in a big earthquake.
    Make of that what you will.

  • aunursa

    The next time you see Plank, he’s stuck in a wheelchair with half his face missing, a la bad guy in Hannibal. He didn’t ‘accept Christ’ soon enough, and was caught in a big earthquake.
    Actually, no. Plank plays a role in Book 2, Tribulation Force, in which he becomes Carpathia’s press secretary.

  • Mouse

    Steve Plank was named after a friend of Jerry Jenkins whose name was Steve Board. So maybe the reason for the Weird-ass Name Syndrome that plagues LB is that they all have friends with porn-star names and geographic features as last names? Maybe Nicholae Carpathia was named after Nicholae Simien.

  • the opoponax

    So I’m guessing Jenkins also has friends named:
    Ray Irons
    Helen Durning
    Bill Cameron (Or maybe Cam Buxton?)
    Nicholas Cartwright…
    any other tries at this game? On the one hand, I use friends’ names all the time at work. On the other hand, I don’t warp them in the fantastical ways Jenkins seems to enjoy.

  • Hames

    I personally thought it was quite rude to call someone by their nickname when you meet them in person for the first time (as opposed to addressing them over a crowded room during a press conference), I thought it was general good manners to wait to be asked to do so.
    I suppose Carpathia has some sort of super-charisma that means Buck won’t mind, but I didn’t expect the authors to pass up another opportunity for Buck to say “My name’s Cameron. But call me Buck, because I buck the trend” like he does to everyone else he meets.

  • Tonio

    I’ve been lurking here for a while and I applaud Slacktivist for providing a valuable public service in dissecting LB. Am I paranoid for wondering if L&J share the agenda of Regent University and Patrick Henry College to push America toward theocracy?
    Here is my twisted theory about “Seaboard Monthly” – the name refers to the Eastern Seaboard, usually defined as stretching from Maine to New Jersey. Perhaps the title is L&J’s way of bashing northeastern liberals as UN-loving, one-world elitists all too willing to follow Carpathia.

  • cjmr

    And here I thought MD was part of the Eastern Seaboard as well…

  • Ken

    Could someone please enlighten me about why a media representative from a hobby type magazine would be interested in Nicolae? — Chris Archer
    Because LaHaye & Jenkins came up with it, and L&J are hacks?
    Yes, I can. It’s pretty boring, actually. Buck and Chloe have sex (in between descriptions of Buck’s virility), mostly clothed, missionary position only, and, post-coital, Buck demands a turkey sandwich and a glass of non-alcoholic grape juice. — Craig
    Can you say “Gary Stu wish-fulfillment censored for the CBA?”
    No, a fantasy author turning the worst tropes on their heads is Diana Wynne Jones’ The Tough Guide to Fantasyland and/or Dark Lord of Derkholm. — Technocracygirl
    And I recommend them both.
    Tough Guide to Fantasyland is a list of all the overused fantasy-epic shticks from every LotR knockoff, cataloged in the form of a travel guide.
    Dark Lord of Derkholm is a fantasy-comedy, telling what happens when an “Elves, Dwarves, etc” fantasy world is forced to host live D&D/WoW games where they get to be the NPCs and take all the casualties, incorporating as many of the overused fantasy shticks from Tough Guide to Fantasyland as possible. Especially the poor shmuck who draws the short straw and gets to be Dark Lord this time around. This time, it’s an absent-minded professor of a wizard named Derk who has to be Sauron for the Season. Especially after he gets racked up by a dragon early on and his sorceress wife and six adolescent kids (three human, three gryphon) have to keep all the balls in the air without him.
    All I can figure is Diana Wynne Jones (who was a student of both Tolkien and Lewis at Oxford) saw one too many Tolkien-in-a-blender fantasy trilogies on the bookshelves and lost it. And at that point, it was either start taking hostages or take to the word processor for Dark Lord of Derkholm.
    (And this was pre-Eragon!)

  • Ken

    What’s notable here is that this is how LaHaye & Jenkins seem to think most investigative reporting works. They think it’s all about chasing the celebrity interview — being the one guy who gets the Big Interview that everyone else fails to get, even if that means tackling your competitors and putting them into a headlock.
    Slack, remember that LaHaye & Jenkins are *CELEBRITIES* in the Christian Bizarro-world Ghetto. The only “reporting” they know *IS* the Celebrity Interview.
    Imagine how PARIS! HILTON! would think investigative reporting works and you get the picture. (Though I wonder if Little Miss Stupid Whore with the ten-figure trust fund might actually have a clearer idea and/or be able to do a better job than LH&J — I mean Rayford & Buck; now THAT would be a kicker!)

  • Wesley Parish

    No, a fantasy author turning the worst tropes on their heads is Diana Wynne Jones’ The Tough Guide to Fantasyland and/or Dark Lord of Derkholm.
    I’ve read The Tough Guide to Fantasyland, and thoroughly agree. A fantastic/speculative story should never take place in Fantasyland – unless the Fantasyland natives are taking part in an All-singing All-dancing Tourism Festival.
    I haven’t read Dark Lord of Derkholm. Looks like I’ll have to.
    From everything that I’ve read of Jordan (gave up in book four because I was bored to tears) he doesn’t really add anything new to the genre besides making insanely large books spread out over large periods of (real life) time popular.
    I started by reading the sixth book to alleviate boredom on the bus, and got thoroughly hooked, so my perspective is somewhat skewed. What I like most about about Jordan, though, is the fact, as I have alleged, that he has taken the modern-day mythology of the Premillenialist Dispensationalists, the current mythology of a large part of the USA, and drawn it as something thoroughly evil.
    Tolkien took some ancient myths that had fallen through, attached to them – quite aware of what he was doing – a Christian perspective-in-potential – and did something great. Jordan’s done this to skewer the PMDs, I figure.
    I have to agree about the insanely long books. But that seems to be a failing of the US marketplace – Doris Lessing complained about it in the foreword to one of her Shikasta series, and not one of the better ones, about the bottom dropping out of the market in the States for smaller novels.

  • Spherical Time

    I agree. The WOT by Robert Jordan isn’t this genre turned on its head. It’s a work in another genre that started off phenomenal and then petered out over the course of ten books.
    Tor is one of my favorite publishers, but they do have the tendency to give established authors a pass in the editing department.
    There are a lot of good authors out there though that can take a genre and twist it into special loops of joy. If you’re looking for some interesting takes on the Christian theology, I still recommend Job: A Comedy of Justice by Heinlein and Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett.

  • Bugmaster

    Actually, Thomas Mann’s Joseph and his Brothers is also an excellent Christian tale — or, at least, the Russian translation of it that I read was excellent, since I can’t read German :-( Thomas Mann really knew how to infuse life into Biblical characters.

  • Frohergeist

    If this has devolved into a recommendation orgy, let me mention “Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ’s Childhood Pal”. If you’ve ever wanted to know how many people Jesus personally smote, what Judas’ scavenged silver coins were spent on, or the true motivations behind many of Christ’s teachings, then Lamb’s for you. That’s 1-800-949-LAMB.

  • dzd

    Is it just me or is the Antichrist, even through the veil of LH&J’s terrible writing, trying to poke fun at “Buck”‘s ridiculous moniker?

  • Tonio

    I loved Heinlein’s “Job.” I’ve never been interested in Tolkien-style fantasy fiction – in fact, the only Tolkien book I’ve read is “The Hobbit.” But I’m interested in any novels that have anti-PMD messages or allegories, or fundamentalist dystopian novels similar to Margaret Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale.”
    I read the Omen series when I was a teenager. These were really horror stories that borrowed from Revelation. Unlike L&J, the Omen authors didn’t seem to be pushing an obvious religious agenda. They did have issues with sex – one male Damien disciple briefly succumbs to the temptation (?) of homosexuality, and a female disciple is shown as sexually adventurous. Why were stories about possessed kids (“The Exorcist”, “Rosemary’s Baby”) so popular in the 1970s? There’s a theory that this was a sublimated reaction to the intergenerational conflict of the 1960s.
    Cjmr, I suppose Maryland might be included in the Eastern Seaboard. I’ve always understood the term as NOT including the coastal states of the Old South, which is why I suspect L&J were trying to refer to northeastern liberals.

  • Raka

    Ken: …PARIS! HILTON! … Little Miss Stupid Whore
    Okay, now I actually wish there was a ritual to invoke the righteous wrath of Jesurgislac, because this really needs to be slapped down and I don’t think my “let’s all give each other the benefit of the doubt” milquetoastiness is up to doing it properly.
    Ranting, swearing, off-color humor and flat-out flaming are all fine and dandy with me. I’ll even limit my protest over the execrable modern usage of “gay” as a generic negative, since the connection to the sexual identity is at least one etymological level back (a heritage of and association with homophobia is bad, but less bad than direct homophobia IMHO). But derogatory usage of “whore” is inexcusable.
    How is being a whore such a deplorable thing? In the sense of selling something supposedly sacred, it’s a fair term of derision (eg, referring to a politician “whoring himself out to special interests”). It’s a criminal role associated with a low economic and social class, but you don’t hear people slamming someone as a metaphorical liquor-store robber, so that’s not relevant. Selling sex is apparently a shameful thing, but unless you refer to the American public as a “john” with equal vitriol, it doesn’t seem you bear the same loathing for its purchase.
    How is she a whore? So she has sex, and an unfortunately public sex life. And she deliberately trades on her supposedly sexy image and notoriety to maintain her public stature. I assume you don’t have a problem with a woman being attractive or having a sex life. The only thing she does that could earn her the “whore” moniker is to profit from that attractiveness.
    Call her a moron and I’ll heartily agree. Call her a spoiled, shallow, and valueless waste of oxygen and attention and I’m behind you 100%. Call her a whore for having the audacity to profit from an appearance or activity you apparently believe you’re entitled to enjoy for free, and I’m going to call you a misogynist.

  • Muse of Ire

    Try James Morrow’s Only Begotten Daughter.

  • none

    What I like most about about Jordan, though, is the fact, as I have alleged, that he has taken the modern-day mythology of the Premillenialist Dispensationalists, the current mythology of a large part of the USA, and drawn it as something thoroughly evil.
    The funny thing about premillenialist dispensationalism is that it is neither modern nor ancient. It was created pretty much from whole cloth in the 19th century, and from what I’ve seen it has changed nary a whit since then, unless you count transferring biblical symbolism from one real-life event/group/person to another. It’s already been thoroughly skewered for being evil, whether knowingly or not, by H.P. Lovecraft.
    Some quotes from earlier discussions on this very web site:
    Edo on 10 December 2006 : …it strikes me that L&J’s portrayal of God isn’t just malevolent: it’s Lovecraftian. Granted, I’m not sure if they portray God as having tentacles (I haven’t read Book 12), but even without the tentacles they’re nine-tenths there.
    Merely accepting the idea of Y’hwh can cause you to shed your personality like an insect husk, dedicate your life to worshipping Him, and eagerly await His return, when he will cause the extinction of humanity.
    Intellect is a lie, because all our thoughts are a veneer of sanity, a fleeting and ultimately doomed attempt to deny that Creation is worthless except insofar as we hasten the return of God to cause its destruction….
    Jeff Weskamp on 15 December: L&J might see some uncomfortable similarities between their PMD beliefs and the beliefs of the Cthulhu cultists. Both groups believe that a powerful being will appear very soon; that this being will slaughter everyone that it doesn’t like; and that by peforming obeisances to this being, it will spare them; and then they will establish a new world order with themselves as the only living people left.
    Now I don’t know that Lovecraft had any familiarity with PMDs, but whether he did or not, the Cthulhu cult is an eerie parallel. The only major difference I can see is that Lovecraft tells us Cthulhu will return ‘when the stars are right’ and leaves it at that while PMDs have this whole checklist of vague prophecies that they can continually mis-apply to ctheir current world, allowing them to be wrong about the timing of Y’hwh’s return for centuries.

  • Hasimir_Fengring

    Sorry, that’s me up there.

  • Hasimir_Fenring

    …embarrassingly including a typo in my own name!

  • Abelardus

    Mr. Fenring,
    Do you mean the post with no name following it? If that’s the case I want to thank you for bringing those earlier pieces together to show similarities between PMDs and “Lovecraftianism” — the major difference being Lovecraft’s “religious tracts,” if you will, are actually worth the read.
    PS. Hmmm-ah?

  • Drak Pope

    No they aren’t. They are as turgid and dull as any cut-and-paste PMD Bible could be.

  • Edo

    Whoa! Somebody read something I wrote!
    Thank you, good Fenring, for bringing this back to my attention. It’s given me some ideas for a Right Behind story.

  • DBEllis

    Most of you have probably already seen it, but here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=135 is an essay called “Cthulhu and Christ”.

  • Abelardus

    DBEllis,
    Thank your for that site! Wow, that puts a lot of this mumbo-jumbo into perspective! Plus it gave me a good laugh. Thanks again.

  • MichaelLB.

    “Thus, it is conceivable that Carpathia would be able to Charm Person Chaim into serving him faithfully, what with Chaim being a heathen Jew and all, and thus lacking the appropriate saving throws.”
    You should be excommunicated for that pun.
    Also, it’s worth noting that WoT manages, in its own way, to be just as relentlessly misogynistic as LB.

  • Captain Slack

    I’m running hella late, but I’m running:
    In the words of the producers of LOST, “it’s complicated”.
    So the UN is staffed by epileptic trees?
    Also, Tough Guide to Fantasyland for the win. I’m a David&Leigh Eddings fan, myself (well, I was until they ended “The Dreamers” with the gods’ parents Making It Didn’t Happen), but even I have to admit that the Tolnedrans are a Vestigial Empire and the Algars are Anglo-Saxon Cossacks.