October 30

Jon_image Hey, so, the Slacktivixen and I will be attending Jon Stewart's "Rally to Restore Sanity" on Oct. 30 on the National Mall in Washington.

Which means, of course, that we will also be attending Stephen Colbert's "March to Keep Fear Alive" on Oct. 30 on the National Mall in Washington.

In case you've missed the build-up on "The Daily Show," Stewart describes his rally this way:

We're looking for the people who think shouting is
annoying, counterproductive, and terrible for your throat; who feel that the loudest voices
shouldn't be the only ones that get heard; and who believe that the only time it's appropriate
to draw a Hitler mustache on someone is when that person is actually Hitler. Or Charlie Chaplin
in certain roles.

Are you one of those people? Excellent. Then we'd like you to join us in Washington, DC on October 30 –
a date of no significance whatsoever — at the Daily Show's "Rally to Restore Sanity." Ours is a rally for
the people who've been too busy to go to rallies, who actually have lives and families and jobs (or are
looking for jobs) — not so much the Silent Majority as the Busy Majority. If we had to sum up the
political view of our participants in a single sentence… we couldn't. That's sort of the point.

Stephen_image While Colbert, as usual, takes a different approach:

America, the Greatest Country God ever gave Man, was built on three bedrock principles: Freedom. Liberty.
And Fear — that someone might take our Freedom and Liberty. But now, there are dark, optimistic forces
trying to take away our Fear — forces with salt and pepper hair and way more Emmys than they need.
They want to replace our Fear with reason. But never forget — "Reason" is just one letter away from "Treason."
Coincidence? Reasonable people would say it is, but America can't afford to take that chance

But whether or not one shares either of those perspectives or neither of them, the bottom line is this: Free Show. And maybe, just maybe, as the 'vixen says, her fingers crossed, a chance to meet Wyatt Cenac.

I'm trying to figure out what to write on my sign for the rally. Leaning toward: "Actually, it's probably a bit more complicated than that." Or maybe, "Let's work together to see if we can identify precisely where we disagree."

But anyway we'll be there, is the point. And it's possible that some readers and posters on this blog will be there as well. And if you're there and we're there, we should probably introduce ourselves and arrange to share a beverage or something.

  • http://guy-who-reads.blogspot.com/ Mike Timonin

    Shiftercat – I’m on the way from Ottawa to DC, and I can drive both kinds of car. At present I can’t categorically say yes or no – wrangling with wife over feasibility – but send me an e-mail (little.carrot at gmail) and we’ll see what can be worked out.

  • Lonespark

    3/5ths of a veto. Damn.

  • CaryB

    So if I was Glenn Beck, know what I’d do? (Besides shoot myself?)
    Around October 23d I’d tell everyone that they should go out there and take over this rally. Just show up as a nice quiet protest. And then, when the numbers come out, claim that half of those were my people.

  • Amaryllis

    Firefox’s spell-check, on the other hand, does not recognize the Dark Lord’s name.
    Firefox’s spell-check also doesn’t recognize the President’s name. Coincidence? You be the judge!
    On the other hand, the problem may be me and not Firefox; at least, the tangle of software on my system and I are still having Issues.
    And because we’re having Issues, I haven’t actually been able to watch this video. However, it seems that– Tea Party fear-mongering aside — it tells you what an out-of-towner really needs to know about the DC Metro Experience.

  • http://colorlessblue.blogspot.com colorlessblue

    @Nicole: hugs, if you want!
    @MadGastronomer: don’t be sad you don’t have a pet octopus. They’re smart and difficult to deal with. My university used to have one in the aquarius, but because they don’t have bones, it pressed itself through a very very narrow slit between the aquarius glass and the lid, wandered around the room and killed itself by sticking a
    tentacle in a power outlet.
    —-
    I saw a FORTY TWO, but did anyone already say DON’T PANIC?
    And some Hex messages would be appropriate too.
    +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++
    +++Out Of Cheese Error ???????+++

  • http://www.nightkitchenseattle.com MadGastronomer

    @MadGastronomer: don’t be sad you don’t have a pet octopus. They’re smart and difficult to deal with. My university used to have one in the aquarius, but because they don’t have bones, it pressed itself through a very very narrow slit between the aquarius glass and the lid, wandered around the room and killed itself by sticking a
    tentacle in a power outlet.

    Yeah, the aquarium here in town had disappearing fish. They finally had to set up a security camera to discover the octopus was climbing out of its tank, across the floor, into the fish tank, eating the fish, and then going home again.
    I don’t actually regret not having a pet octopus, but every time I watch Ponyo or a few other things, my inner Veruca Salt pipes up.
    It’s ok. I am consoling myself with the fact that I will have a Bloomer suit made of three different octopus-print fabrics to wear to SteamCon in November. (For my birthday!)

  • http://colorlessblue.blogspot.com colorlessblue

    Now I want a stuffed octopus. Maybe I should make one.

  • Winter

    Has anyone done FEAR IS THE MIND KILLER yet? Because I’d put that on a sign.
    And some spice. I’d want a nice hot mug of cider with cinnamon and spices to go with it. THE SPICE IS LIFE.

  • http://baroncognito.livejournal.com BenYitzhak

    Winter, there’s a webcomic (http://www.goats.com/archive/990517.html) that slightly altered that quote:
    I must drink beer. Beer is the mind-killer. Beer is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my beer. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it’s path. When the beer has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

  • MercuryBlue

    I thought ‘little death’ was only used to mean ‘orgasm’.

  • http://www.nicolejleboeuf.com/index.php Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

    colorlessblue -
    Hugs are always nice. I’m feeling better about Twitter today, helped along in part by said friend dropping the subject, but in major part by that whole “being at a con” thing. It’s White Wolf’s “The Grand Masquerade,” in New Orleans. Today I took part in Vampire tabletop game *and* I ate yummy things in the French Quarter. (The Green Goddess makes their mint juleps with moonshine, Gods help me. And their bangers & mash with duck and sweet potato.)
    Oddly enough, and also unexpectedly apropos of Winter’s post just a few minutes ago – When I checked into the hotel, they mistook me for being in their priority club (I’m not sure how that happened) and gave me a little jar of “Spice of New Orleans” as a welcome gift. Of course my brain took that and ran with it. “I got free spice! Which must flow!”
    JessicaR – Excellent, I shall leave the balcony door unlocked for when you’re ready to come in out of the wind. :-)
    (Now I’m *really* looking forward to my friend bringing over the 1st season DVDs. There will be popcorn and nostalgic swooning.)

  • Kitti

    Ooh, just thought of another one! (Feel free to throw things at me if this has already been used.)
    Front:
    Universal statements are universally false.
    Back:
    Including this one.

  • Kitti

    “TO SERVE MAN” IS A COOKBOOK!

    Just got the reference. Raj, marry me.

  • http://colorlessblue.blogspot.com colorlessblue

    Stick them with the pointy end.
    I may be a fool, but I intend to be a live fool.
    Winter is coming.
    You do talk nonsense sometimes.
    I doubt you can understand the magnitude of the stupidity in your statement.
    The weak must be bold cautiously.

  • Andrew Glasgow

    Firefox’s spell-check also doesn’t recognize the President’s name. Coincidence? You be the judge!

    For me, if his name is capitalized, it recognizes it, but not if it’s uncapitalized. However, I may have added that to the dictionary at some point so I’m not sure.

  • http://guy-who-reads.blogspot.com/ Mike Timonin

    “TO SERVE MAN” IS A COOKBOOK!
    this came up somewhere the other day, and I can’t for the life of me think where. It wasn’t an obvious connection, someone talking about serving humanity or something of that nature. No doubt it will come to me in the middle of the night.

  • http://jamoche.livejournal.com Jamoche

    Left wingers! Maybe they don’t care for you either.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rajexplorer Raj

    {{{{{{{{Kitti}}}}}}}}
    —————————
    MadGastronomer, I’m a November baby too (Nov. 3). What’s your birthday?

  • The Lodger

    Why did the octopus escape from the aquarius?
    Probably because it was outnumbered by the pisces.

  • The Lodger

    And for the Colbert rally:
    I HAVE NO FACTS AND I MUST SCREAM

  • http://www.nightkitchenseattle.com MadGastronomer

    MadGastronomer, I’m a November baby too (Nov. 3). What’s your birthday?
    19th.

  • ajay

    Ben: I came across that version via David Langford’s description of his stag party (bachelor party), which altered it slightly:
    I must have beer. Beer is the mind-killer. Beer is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my beer. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it’s path. When the beer has gone there will be nothing. Only “I will” remains.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rajexplorer Raj

    HEY BABY, WHAT’S YOUR SIGN?

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rajexplorer Raj

    o hai, sine i haz it!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rajexplorer Raj

    GOD IS MY CO-PILOT
    I GOT PROMOTED OVER HIM

  • Flying sardines

    @MercuryBlue | Sep 23, 2010 at 10:08 PM :
    I thought ‘little death’ was only used to mean ‘orgasm’.
    I think that’s a particularly french thing – petite mort – but I could be mistaken.
    Some possible Sign ideas :
    (Nb. Stream of consciousness, haven’t yet read all comments here. Sorry for any repetition.)
    ??? [set of question marks]
    Love beats fear / Kindness beats hate / Hope beats suffering [ janken /rock-paper scissors motif?]
    Only a Sith deals in Absolutes?
    Absolute power leads to absolute corruption / reverse side cartoon / lightning strikes speaker of that & voice from heaven “cheeky blighter!”
    Palin for President [ Monty Python's Palin!]
    Cleese for VP
    This sign is blank
    God Forgives
    Thy Neighbour is everyone
    If you’re reading this sign your a literate (person)
    Signs cant sum up enough
    Pi = 3 by law
    Pie – 3 or more
    Po-tat-o / po-tah-toe
    The worst thing about Censorship is [Blacked out]
    Please / Thankyou
    Help!
    Apocalpyse : DO NOT WANT
    The end is 5 billion years away. (astyronomical refernce)
    Our Galaxy The Milky Way
    Milk of Human Kindness
    Lady MacBeth is Unmentionably Guilty!
    Follow the Gourd / Take off one shoe
    We’re all individuals (I’m not!)
    Yes / No / Maybe / Depends
    If X then Y (error bars)
    {{Hug?}}
    Take back Tea for mildness! (It’s a drink to relax and refresh.)
    People, people, people
    That’s everyone
    Think, / Love / Read /listen / Ponder / Reflect (mirror surface?) / Muse / Consider , etc ..
    Allay Fear / Fears Allay
    Make stuffed octopi not war?
    Russell’s teapot can still be found!
    Leave ‘Left Behind’ behind!
    Carl Sagan’s “pale blue dot” image of Earth ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNOM7WOGGUw ) with an arrow saying ‘you are here’ – a big heading ‘perspective’
    Earth from space – with the words “One folk, One planet, One Humanity’ or suchlike..
    Tired of hatred & worry.
    Fear no more
    “No man [person?] is an island” – John Donne (?) Or was it someone else?
    All Hail Hypnotoad!
    ***
    Don’t know if any of those are useful , & afraid I’m half-asleep right now so sorry for any incoherence here but anyone who wants is free to adopt any of them. Hope this helps. :-)
    Afraid I’ll be a continent away and too broke to travel. Best wishes for the day.

  • Hawker Hurricane

    “IF LIBERALS REALLY HATED AMERICA,
    We’D VOTE REPUBLICAN.” (Too inflammatory?)
    Posted by: Consumer Unit 5012
    ————————————-
    I want this as a bumper sticker.
    =====================================
    Still no SoCal folks. [Pouts]
    Posted by: Jeff
    —————-
    I’m sorry, I can’t make the trip (no dinero).
    (If I were any more SoCal, I’d be in Baja.)

  • Hawker Hurricane

    GOD IS MY CO-PILOT
    I GOT PROMOTED OVER HIM
    Posted by: Raj
    ——————-
    God was my co-pilot.
    Then we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him.
    ====================================
    This Sign is Top Secret. This Sign is intentionally left blank. This Sign is Unclassified. This Sign is Top Secret.
    -

  • http://extremelyevilmusic.blogspot.com/ Murfyn

    Here is a link to the Unitarian Jihad.

  • Consumer Unit 5012 doesn’t have any bumper stickers.

    @Hawker Hurricane: You’re in luck.

  • Amaryllis

    @Hawker Hurricane: This sign is For Official Use Only.
    Flying Sardines: “No man [person?] is an island” – John Donne (?) Or was it someone else?
    It was him.
    And now I want a sign to carry to the Sanity rally that says
    “No man is an island” *
    on the front.
    And on the back, to carry to the Fear rally,
    “Never send to know for whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for THEE.”
    *for me, accurate quotation trumps even gender inclusiveness; YMMV.

  • Jeff

    HH — bummer. My neice and fam live in SD (Del mar or thereabouts), but I doubt if they’d be interested in getting together with complete strangers…

  • Mrs Harris

    If I suddenly win the Premium Bonds, I’ll be there with a sign
    LESS LUST BY LESS
    PROTEIN: MEAT,
    FISH, BIRD, EGG,
    CHEESE, PEAS,
    BEANS, NUTS.
    AND SITTING.
    To keep alive the work of Stanley Green, who used to march up and down Oxford Street with just such a sign.

  • http://city-of-ladies.blogspot.com Rebecca

    GAY MARRIAGE IS AN OXYMORON
    Too close to an actual homophobic sign. :/
    I should probably have a sign that says something about my quest to restore the dignity of tea.

  • http://www.shoxshoes.cc/nike_shox_onine_si nike shox onine

    Men trifle with their business and their politics, but they never trifle with their games. (George Burnard Shaw British dramatist)

  • Spearmint

    Turns out I can come! Sweet!
    But I do think we need a better way of finding one another than pie, because carrying pie and a sign through a dense crowd sounds hard.
    Re. signs, has no one proposed
    TO BIGOTRY NO SANCTION
    yet? It seems kind of obvious, but I didn’t see it in the thread.
    Also, I HAVE NO FACTS AND I MUST SCREAM is frickin’ brilliant, and I may steal it.

  • Flying sardines

    More sign ideas in case they are handy for anyone :
    Join the Biscuits party – the better side dish to the Tea party.
    For the John Stewart rally a poster with a picture of Christine O’Donnell & the quote (& maybe an image too) fromthe Firefly SF TV series : “She may be a witch but she’s our witch .. (on the back?) “…so cut her the hell down!”
    Or if folks want alternative biblical quotes how about :
    1 Samuel 20:41 “They kissed each other.” [David & Jonathon]
    or
    1 Samuel 20:32 : Jonathan asked his father, ‘Why must he be put to death? What has he done?’
    or
    1 Samuel 20:17 : “Jonathan made David swear again by his love for him, for he loved him with his whole being.” ?
    See also from : The Brick testament : http://www.thebricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/jonathan_and_david/1s20_17.html

  • The Lodger

    Go ahead. It’s yours. Just post a picture somewhere.

  • Flying sardines

    @ Amaryllis | Sep 24, 2010 at 05:52 PM
    Flying Sardines: “No man [person?] is an island” – John Donne (?) Or was it someone else?
    It was him. And now I want a sign to carry to the Sanity rally that says
    “No man is an island” *
    on the front.
    And on the back, to carry to the Fear rally,
    “Never send to know for whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for THEE.”
    *for me, accurate quotation trumps even gender inclusiveness; YMMV.

    Thanks. :-)
    I agree sort of, although I also think there’s something to the notion of it being a kind of translation here – not just between languages (eg. old english us e of ‘f’ for ‘s’ in the original : “No man if an ifland unto himmfelfe” ..right?) but also between ages. “Man” used to mean women too – humanity in general. It doesn’t quite do so anymore and so when we update the meaning and quote from ‘f’ to ‘s’ & ‘himfelfe’ to ‘himswlf it cargubaly make ssense to change man to Human or person. Perhaps? I’m not really sure nor admittedly am I anything like an expert on medieval language so .. just my vague idea here.
    @Spearmint | Sep 24, 2010 at 10:36 PM
    Re. signs, has no one proposed ‘TO BIGOTRY NO SANCTION’ yet? It seems kind of obvious, but I didn’t see it in the thread.
    Me either. Good choice. :-)
    Now why didn’t I think of that one .. sigh.

  • Flying sardines

    D’oh! Typo correction :
    It doesn’t quite do so anymore and so when we update the meaning and quote from ‘f’ to ‘s’ & ‘himfelfe’ to ‘himself’ it can arguably make sense to change ‘man’ to ‘Human’ /’Humanity’ or ‘person’ as best suits.

  • Steve Morrison

    That wasn’t really the letter f, it was the so-called long s.

  • http://www.tvshowboards.com/stargate/ Erik Bloodaxe

    @hapax:

    And I haven’t seen any citation to Jon Stewart’s equation of Birtherism etc. with “calling Bush a war criminal.” I’ve seen a lot of people *claiming* he said that, but not the quote itself. (If there has been such a citation made, I withdraw that criticism, but I’d like to see it, please.)

    I think I tracked this one down, since the assertion was jarring with my own memory as well. He never made the direct statement that both sentiments were equally extreme. But where this “Stewart made the false equivalency of pointing out Bush’s war crimes to Birtherism” is coming from is that, in the clips of several examples that Stewart shows to demonstrate extremism (both in tone as well as in ideas, and the focus on tone without context was mostly for the humor value I’m sure) in the popular discourse, one included a woman rushing the stage that Bush was on and yelling “war criminal!” I viewed that as a “wrong tone but not wrong idea” sort of example (’cause rushing at the President only accomplishes getting tackled by the Secret Service). The problem with viewing those clips as Jon’s own personal view on what ideas he considers extremist, is that it leads to the conclusion that he’s both calling himself an extremist (for including a certain song number) and Lady Gaga’s support of repealing DADT extremist (but in her case, again, it’s the tone alone, not the policy she’s addressing, highlighted in the clip, which reasonably negates the conclusion that’s it’s a montage solely of ideas that are extreme). So, demonstrating a cyber-equivalent of the game “telephone”, this went from “Jon showed this montage to set up his announcement” to “Jon must have meant this by this particular clip in the montage” to “Jon made this statement that does not hold up”.
    His actual quote of equivalency was of those who view Obama as being a “socialist secret Muslim” to the subset of 9/11 Truthers who believe 9/11 was allowed to happen for Cheney and Halliburton’s benefit.
    (Sorry to interrupt the fun sign ideas with this analysis, but let us return to them now). :o)

  • http://www.tvshowboards.com/stargate/ Erik Bloodaxe

    “VOTE SAXON”

    “VOTE PETRELLI”
    Or, better yet, “Petrelli/Saxon 2012″
    On the Colbert side:
    “Repeal all the amendments, and replace them with commandments. Then repeal those, and replace them with guidelines.”

  • http://j.com/ Tonio

    “Stewart made the false equivalency of pointing out Bush’s war crimes to Birtherism”

    And the people who make criticisms like that sound, to me, like children complaining “No fair!” They may or may not see the two as equivalent, but their goal seem to be to accuse critics of hypocrisy.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rajexplorer Raj

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kitti

    I know this is kind of long to put on a sign, but I love the quote anyway.
    “You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering.”

  • Tsotate

    Colbert sign idea:
    Side one: “Remember the 42!”
    Side two: “2 Kings 2:24″
    After all, the #1 Threat is always Bears.

  • Jenny Islander

    THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA
    1. FIGHT TRAFFIC
    2. SURVIVE SOUL-SUCKING JOB
    3. FIGHT TRAFFIC
    4. PICK UP DINNER
    5. COLLAPSE ON COUCH
    Paraphrasing a political cartoon I saw once.

  • Wat Stearns

    I’ve decided I DON’T LIKE Jon Stewart’s Sanity rally. I like Stewart, and I like the laughs, but you can’t have sanity without justice, and I don’t hear Stewart calling for justice. I think he’s actually calling for complacency, and I have a problem with that. Politically, I think Stewart is a Zionist, and that’s why he stops short of calling for prosecution of the Bush regime and doesn’t mock the drive to Iran even while we see what has happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Problem.

  • Art

    I agree sort of, although I also think there’s something to the notion of it being a kind of translation here – not just between languages (eg. old english us e of ‘f’ for ‘s’ in the original : “No man if an ifland unto himmfelfe” ..right?) but also between ages. “Man” used to mean women too – humanity in general. It doesn’t quite do so anymore and so when we update the meaning and quote from ‘f’ to ‘s’ & ‘himfelfe’ to ‘himswlf it cargubaly make ssense to change man to Human or person. Perhaps? I’m not really sure nor admittedly am I anything like an expert on medieval language so .. just my vague idea here.
    No. John Donne lived well after the era that could be called “medieval”, in the Elizabethan/Jacobean era, and lived hundreds of years after Old English ceased to be spoken. “Man” had the primary meaning of “male adult human” for Donne to the exact same degree that it did for Shakespeare, his contemporary.
    Note that what you’re talking about is also really a matter of degree. “Man” has always connoted maleness but been treated as a “neutral” term simply because males were the dominant sex and therefore the sex you were more likely to be talking about. The line between saying “No man is an island” because you really can picture either a man or a woman in that situation and saying “No man is an island” because you simply don’t think about women very much because everyone important in society is a man is a blurry one. This was simply far more the case in Old English when the “wer-” prefix was seen as sometimes necessary (same with the Latin “homo” vs. “vir” distinction) than it is in modern English.
    In any case, changing “man” to “person” is a semantic change far more momentous than simply changing the spelling to fit modern orthography. One is just changing the way something was transcribed from speech into writing (always an iffy process); one is actually changing the meaning of what is being said, and that’s presumptuous in the extreme, even if you think the change is a virtuous one or even if you’re convinced that you know that if John Donne lived in the present day that’s what he would have said.
    This is a serious issue for, say, editors at newspapers who take letters from readers — there is a big bright line between editing someone for style (i.e. replacing an incorrect spelling or punctuation with the correct one, to match the approved “style” for the newspaper) and actually editing the content. Some people may have differing opinions about this, but when I worked doing copyediting this was a very clear distinction that had to be firmly respected — you might find the phrasing someone else uses to make their point un-PC or ugly or prejudiced, but it’s their words and their right to make their point the way they wanted to make it, not the way you think it should be made.


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