Larry Summers on 'the jobs deficit'

From an interview with Larry Summers by Walter Isaacson at Fortune’s Brainstorm Tech conference:

The biggest problem the country has right now is not the budget deficit. The biggest problem the country has right now is the jobs deficit. Yes, there’s a risk that we will misplay things and make the mistakes of the 1970s, and have inflation and have excessive borrowing.

But far and away the larger risk is that we will make the mistakes of 1937, and that we will not have a recovery that is sustained, that we will make the mistakes that Japan made, and that we will have a decade or two of stagnation. The right question to be focused on is how to stimulate demand.

Look out there, guys. The Treasury bond rate, Treasury note rate for 10 years is 2.85 percent. Nobody is failing to invest because 2.85 percent is too much. They are failing to invest because there are no customers in their store. They are failing to invest because their factories are sitting empty. They are failing to innovate because they’re not sure how large the market for the product will be. That is the problem that we need to address.

… We’ve been flying out of the recession, but we’ve been flying out of it dangerously close to stall speed, and doing something about that should be our top priority.

… We have schools across this country where we tell our kids that education is the most important thing in the world, but we ask them to study in classrooms where the paint is chipping off the walls.

We can borrow money to invest in fixing that, at 2.8 percent. Twenty percent of the people in the country who are doing construction are unemployed, and we’re not trying to do something about that, when we have a major demand problem? It just doesn’t make any sense.

We have infrastructure in this country — I mean you can argue whether we need a new high speed rail system or whether we don’t need a new high speed rail system, but I don’t know what the argument is for letting bridges collapse. I don’t know what the argument is.

You can fly to Europe, you can fly to Asia, any of those places, and you compare Kennedy Airport with the airport where you land, and you ask yourself which is the airport of the greatest country, richest, most powerful country in the world? … You can say airports aren’t that important or whatever, but it is symbolic of an approach to infrastructure that probably never made any sense, and certainly doesn’t make any sense when you can borrow money at 2.8 percent and you’ve got 20 percent of the construction workers unemployed.

So I’d rather see us focus on the jobs deficit. I’d rather see us focus on the public investment deficit. I’d rather see us focus on the human capital deficit. …

  • Nicolae Carpathia

    Maybe if we could pitch this to the lobbyists as “You can expand your empire by putting people to work for you!” we could get the campaign donors to actually get some interest in reducing unemployment. We could spin it as “When comparing dick sizes with other rich people, you don’t just get to compare money, you also get to compare the number of serfs you have under your command!” and trick them into employing more people.

    Then, once people are employed and the job market has strengthened, we could re-mobilize the unions and take back workers’ rights from within. Leverage is the key to everything.

  • chris the cynic

    The question always seems to be: how do we do it?

    I haven’t figured out the answer yet.  Neither party seems to give a damn.

  • Guest-again

    And again, not a word about America’s three ongoing wars/occupations – not a single word from someone who should know better, that any nation borrowing money to fight wars is bankrupting its future.

  • Guest-again

    Oops – I should point out that at a minimum, two of those wars/occupations are directly concerned with the flow of oil. And yet, we don’t have the money to build a better rail system, or improve our eletrical grid, create  renewable electrical generation sources, or otherwise change how we live, in any sense.

    We have been living on borrowed time for what no longer feels like, but actually has turned out to be, a generation. More borrowing is not exactly a solution, but it is something that America seems to have perfected as a solution to problems involving our future.

  • Anonymous

    I was talking with my father (an avid Tea Party supporter) the other day and even he agreed that some extra infrastructure spending would be great right now. I’m not sure why this is even an issue.

    …Oh, right. Half the Republicans apparently believe that tax cuts are great stimulus and government cannot create wealth, only redistribute it and default is not a real problem.

  • Anonymous

     @Robyrt:disqus 

    …Oh, right. Half the Republicans apparently believe that tax cuts are great stimulus and government cannot create wealth, only redistribute it and default is not a real problem.

    I think you might be too generous when you say “redistribute.”  I think that most Tea Partiers would use the word “steal” or “abscond with.”

    In reality, I think the biggest problem is that the US democratic system has become dysfunctional.  A Congressional system, with purely fixed terms for the president and legislators, works only if there is an open and free exchange of ideas.  Democrats still have ideological diversity in their caucus (the phrase ‘conservative Democrat’ still makes sense), but Republicans do not (‘liberal Republican’?).

    Through primary challenges, the Tea Party has imposed a kind of Westminster-style party discipline on a good chunk of the Republican caucus, giving them something close to a veto on anything that happens in at least the House.  In a true Westminster system, this could lead to a vote of non-confidence in the President and/or early elections, but the US does not have such a system.  Instead, dysfunctional government can continue for years.

    The worst part is that dysfunction isn’t even an incentive to moderate.  If compromise can only happen on the disciplined faction’s (Tea Party’s) terms, then digging in their heels is only good.  They’re immune to consequences until at least the next election, and likely longer than that if they don’t take the blame.

    TLDR: The US system works if and only if compromise is freely sought and given.  If governing requires a coalition of ideological blocks, then Westminster system are superior.

  • Lori

     Democrats still have ideological diversity in their caucus (the phrase ‘conservative Democrat’ still makes sense), but Republicans do not (‘liberal Republican’?).  

     
    The Republicans have diversity in their caucus—they have a few Conservatives, a whole bunch of far Right ideologues and a nice group of BSC. Voila! Diversity. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7NB5FJ2VSINZPTPUGCJI6C24SU Kadia

    There’s also the Log Cabin Republicans (same-sex marriage and LBGT issues), Republicans for Choice (abortion rights, embryonic stem cell research), and numerous other affiliated caucuses and PACs.

    Of course the Democratic Party is larger and more diverse but the GOP isn’t quite the homogenous blob that it seems — especially in the House of Representatives where you find a lot of “purple” districts which might swing Republican but are generally too liberal to ever put up with a person like Louie Gohmert. The Tea Party Movement to me seems like a reaction to that, an attempt to fill the Republican Party with uncompromising hardliners (and not just on economic issues but on social ones as well — see the most recent attacks on Planned Parenthood and their decision to fund the defense of DOMA after President Obama said it was unconstitutional).

    You can even see some diversity on the Senate level due to simple geography; Republicans like Scott Brown, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe could easily be Blue Dog Democrats at least, and Louisianan Senator Mary Landrieu (a Democrat) is easily one of the most conservative Senators of either party.

    That’s why I was skeptical of all of the grand statements made by pundits about President Obama’s super-majority in the Senate back in 2008-2009. Technically, if you count Lieberman, he had 60 votes but just because they all caucused with the Democrats doesn’t mean that they’re all liberal progressives.

  • Anonymous

    I think you might be too generous when you say “redistribute.”  I think
    that most Tea Partiers would use the word “steal” or “abscond with.”

    Eh. One of the local Tea Party candidates (defeated, thankfully, but still county chair of the Republican Party) says ‘redistribute’.

  • kbeth

    You know, it would have been great if Larry Summers had advocated this when he was actually in a position of power in the White House, instead of blocking Christina Romer’s (much more effective) stimulus proposal from reaching Obama. On the other hand, maybe the prevailing narrative on this is wrong and he was advocating this, but Obama just flat-out refused to take that advice. I’d love to think that the former is true and the problem doesn’t reside with the person who’s actually in charge, but given the evidence….

  • Anonymous

    I’m a really big fan of energy independence, mostly because I’m a chemical engineer and I could easily find a job doing that type of work.  If we would stop playing world police, I could have a job and we could have energy security.  It sounds like a win-win to me, but oil companies have the power.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    This is somewhat related to the job-deficit, but I wanted to share the news:

    Moments ago I accepted a job offer for the Seattle Times!  I will be doing QA engineering on their new website.  The contract is for three months, but could go longer depending on how I turn out. 

    I am employed again!  Huzzah! 

  • Anonymous

    o/

  • Lori

    Yeah!  Good luck with the new job. 

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Absolutely.

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Congo rats FearlessSon!  Hope it goes swimmingly.

  • chris the cynic

    Congratulations.

  • Anonymous

    Congrats, but what do you think will happen after those three months?  I’m looking for a job and about half of them that I apply to are temporary like that.  I’ll probably have to relocate so if I end up with a job like that I’ll essentially be camping out somewhere until the contract ends and then relocating again.  I definitely didn’t see all this contract work when I was looking for jobs 3 years ago.  It’s hard to feel any type of security when you know you will probably be cut off in a few months.  Companies just don’t want to invest in long-term employees anymore.  We’ll all essentially be freelance where we have continuously search for work while doing work.

    I hope it works out for you and you get some kind of long-term security there.

  • http://guy-who-reads.blogspot.com/ Mike Timonin

    Yay, FearlessSon – and that’s in the part of the country where you can’t currently fry an egg on the sidewalk.

  • Lori

    And man, good weather is nothing to scoff at. It’s been so hot here the last couple weeks that I’m losing the will to live. Our heat index today was 113. That is not right.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I am uncertain what will happen after those three months, but honestly, I am not too concerned.  I have been working as a contractor for years now, and the biggest difficulty is that contracts have been getting fewer and further between.  As I am living with my family again, my cost of living has gone way down, so a three month job will keep me in rent money for some time longer than that. 

    They say that this job could go longer than the three months if I work out, and possibly be a contract-to-hire situation, but even if that is not the case, it does promise to grant me some good experience.  It actually pays less than other similar contracts I have had, but I am willing to accept lower pay rates if I feel like I am going to learn something useful from it. 

    Actually, since most of my contracts have been at Microsoft, every contract at a company other than Microsoft tends to add a significant amount of diversity to my professional experience.  If nothing else, that makes securing future contracts a lot easier, so no matter how limited my contract is, it still comes out as a career advantage for me.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Yeah, the summer here is pretty mild.  But then, we only have two seasons here. 

    The cold, rainy season, and the warm, less-rainy season.

  • https://profiles.google.com/ravanan101 Ravanan

    Of course, 5 months or so from now when the country experiences its first blizzard of the winter, 10 million Republicans will say, in tandem, “Where’s Al gore now, huh?”

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Half the Republicans apparently believe that tax cuts are great stimulus and government cannot create wealth, only redistribute it and default is not a real problem.

    Governments redistribute wealth? RAAAR communism!!1!eleven!

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Great news mate, well done.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    Congrats to FearlessSon, and hopes that it works out to a permement position.

  • wondering

    Has anyone put forth idea to tie those government subsides and tax breaks directly to how many NEW jobs a business creates? New employees would pay taxes and do not get unemployment benefits. So then tax breaks would not cost that much to government.

  • Lori

    Yes, people did float this idea. It went nowhere. 

  • P J Evans

     They could both be true, given the mixed messages we’re getting.

  • TheMacDaddy

    “Look out there, guys. The Treasury bond rate, Treasury note rate for 10 years is 2.85 percent. Nobody is failing to invest because 2.85 percent is too much. They are failing to invest because there are no customers in their store. They are failing to invest because their factories are sitting empty. They are failing to innovate because they’re not sure how large the market for the product will be. That is the problem that we need to address.”
    1.  There are no people in the store because 2.85 percent is too little.  Believe it or not, that interest cost realized by one person is income to another person.  Care to guess where real disposable income growth has gone since the fed’s latest round of quantitative easing?

    2.  Here is what the Treasury Bond market is telling you – the federal reserve and our trade partners are happy to lend the U. S. federal government money in the hopes that it will use that money to get its own citizens killed.  Funny how that works, during the Vietnam War interest rates were uber low as well, in fact they were suppressed by Nixon’s buddy Arthur Burns so that they could get a lot of American citizens killed on the cheap.