Sept. 30, 1934, Fireside Chat, President Franklin D. Roosevelt

To those who say that our expenditures for Public Works and other means for recovery are a waste that we cannot afford, I answer that no country, however rich, can afford the waste of its human resources. Demoralization caused by vast unemployment is our greatest extravagance. Morally, it is the greatest menace to our social order. Some people try to tell me that we must make up our minds that for the future we shall permanently have millions of unemployed just as other countries have had them for over a decade. What may be necessary for those countries is not my responsibility to determine. But as for this country, I stand or fall by my refusal to accept as a necessary condition of our future a permanent army of unemployed. On the contrary, we must make it a national principle that we will not tolerate a large army of unemployed and that we will arrange our national economy to end our present unemployment as soon as we can and then to take wise measures against its return. I do not want to think that it is the destiny of any American to remain permanently on relief rolls.

Read the entire speech. It’s kind of relevant.

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Hehe well I dunno about T-Shirts, but I think I’m going to give it a shot as part of my warm up drawing for the day.  If it’s worth a damn when I’m done I’ll post it here.

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Hehe well I dunno about T-Shirts, but I think I’m going to give it a shot as part of my warm up drawing for the day.  If it’s worth a damn when I’m done I’ll post it here.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Speaking of Republicans blaming Democrats?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/QYlUS

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Speaking of Republicans blaming Democrats?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/QYlUS

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Alright, just for lolz, here’s the Leonidas-as-Wall Street political cartoon >_> I’m not very good at the whole political cartooning style though, so it’s hardly perfect.  Still, its’ not terribad I guess.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/mistharm/LeonidasPoliticalCartoonCapitalism.jpg

    As an added bonus, I’m posting the old John Calvin Whizzes on Free Will sticker concept as well >.> not sure if anyone even remembers that idea but it was from a thread where we got to talking about those Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) peeing stickers some people have in their windows and… … things happened.  I committed an artrocity ><  It ain't great, why I didn't post it sooner, but… I admit combined with the above I think it's OK.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/mistharm/JohnCalvinWhizFreeWillSticker.jpg

    Thus probably ends my career as a political cartoonist lol

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    Alright, just for lolz, here’s the Leonidas-as-Wall Street political cartoon >_> I’m not very good at the whole political cartooning style though, so it’s hardly perfect.  Still, its’ not terribad I guess.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/mistharm/LeonidasPoliticalCartoonCapitalism.jpg

    As an added bonus, I’m posting the old John Calvin Whizzes on Free Will sticker concept as well >.> not sure if anyone even remembers that idea but it was from a thread where we got to talking about those Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) peeing stickers some people have in their windows and… … things happened.  I committed an artrocity ><  It ain't great, why I didn't post it sooner, but… I admit combined with the above I think it's OK.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/mistharm/JohnCalvinWhizFreeWillSticker.jpg

    Thus probably ends my career as a political cartoonist lol

  • Anonymous

     I remember being seven or eight, and walking to Union Station with my mother, late in the evening. This was Chicago, in the late nineties. The weather had just recently transitioned into our customary late autumn chill. I had my winter coat on. On our way, there was a building with a stone work facade that created little raised alcoves, with a bottom edge had a very slight incline towards the street, much shallower than similar examples in the city. The bottom was just wide enough and long enough for an adult to lie down in with some contorting. Every single one of those alcoves had someone sleeping in it. Some were using newspaper as blankets. Newspaper.

    Never let anyone tell you homelessness isn’t something to be concerned about. As long as there are men and women using newspaper for blankets, trapped outside on nights that drop into the 40′s, we have have failed as a country and as a society.

  • Anonymous

     I remember being seven or eight, and walking to Union Station with my mother, late in the evening. This was Chicago, in the late nineties. The weather had just recently transitioned into our customary late autumn chill. I had my winter coat on. On our way, there was a building with a stone work facade that created little raised alcoves, with a bottom edge had a very slight incline towards the street, much shallower than similar examples in the city. The bottom was just wide enough and long enough for an adult to lie down in with some contorting. Every single one of those alcoves had someone sleeping in it. Some were using newspaper as blankets. Newspaper.

    Never let anyone tell you homelessness isn’t something to be concerned about. As long as there are men and women using newspaper for blankets, trapped outside on nights that drop into the 40′s, we have have failed as a country and as a society.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, not bad JJohnson… although I think the beard looks a little… bushy, perhaps?  I dunno.  Something off about the face that makes him look more like ‘frumpy bearded guy’.  Moreover, I think the ‘poverty’ label is uneccessary, and the ‘Wall ST’ label is too small.  It’d require a redraw, but it’d be *really* nice to see it from the opposite side, so you could put ‘Wall Street’ on the shield…

    Sorry.  Don’t mean to criticize, and this isn’t dA…

  • Anonymous

    Ah, not bad JJohnson… although I think the beard looks a little… bushy, perhaps?  I dunno.  Something off about the face that makes him look more like ‘frumpy bearded guy’.  Moreover, I think the ‘poverty’ label is uneccessary, and the ‘Wall ST’ label is too small.  It’d require a redraw, but it’d be *really* nice to see it from the opposite side, so you could put ‘Wall Street’ on the shield…

    Sorry.  Don’t mean to criticize, and this isn’t dA…

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    No no, I appreciate it actually!    Believe me, constructive criticicism like that is very, very helpful to an artist, especially someone like me who’s only just starting to break beyond the amateurish phase.  Calvin* I was unhappy with when I first drew him, which is why he’s sat on the sidelines this entire time instead of being posted months ago hehe

    But yeah, there are definitely a lot of flaws – some of which are due to me rushing (I only spent maybe 3 hours total on both), some are just me being unused to cartooning*.

    Err but yes I really appreciate the feedback.  Believe me, on the off chance I try this kind of thing again it’s good stuff to know.  Hrm… Disqus won’t let me give you a llama badge <_< so you'll have to make due with a like I suppose.

    *I was trying to exaggerate his beard to make him look a little bit sinister, in the same way the Calvin and Hobbes sticker it's based on gives Calvin that scrunched up face and evil grin… but I didn't pull it off so well.  He almost looks like old pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini ><

    *edit*

    Wanted to add – In addition to being helpful, it's also *rare*. Usually when I get comments on DA they're either "Nice." or something along those lines, or "You suck" in some variation thereof. (At least on my old account, part of why I switched to the current one.)

    So believe me – CC is rare and valuable to me m

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    No no, I appreciate it actually!    Believe me, constructive criticicism like that is very, very helpful to an artist, especially someone like me who’s only just starting to break beyond the amateurish phase.  Calvin* I was unhappy with when I first drew him, which is why he’s sat on the sidelines this entire time instead of being posted months ago hehe

    But yeah, there are definitely a lot of flaws – some of which are due to me rushing (I only spent maybe 3 hours total on both), some are just me being unused to cartooning*.

    Err but yes I really appreciate the feedback.  Believe me, on the off chance I try this kind of thing again it’s good stuff to know.  Hrm… Disqus won’t let me give you a llama badge <_< so you'll have to make due with a like I suppose.

    *I was trying to exaggerate his beard to make him look a little bit sinister, in the same way the Calvin and Hobbes sticker it's based on gives Calvin that scrunched up face and evil grin… but I didn't pull it off so well.  He almost looks like old pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini ><

    *edit*

    Wanted to add – In addition to being helpful, it's also *rare*. Usually when I get comments on DA they're either "Nice." or something along those lines, or "You suck" in some variation thereof. (At least on my old account, part of why I switched to the current one.)

    So believe me – CC is rare and valuable to me m

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    No no, I appreciate it actually!    Believe me, constructive criticicism like that is very, very helpful to an artist, especially someone like me who’s only just starting to break beyond the amateurish phase.  Calvin* I was unhappy with when I first drew him, which is why he’s sat on the sidelines this entire time instead of being posted months ago hehe

    But yeah, there are definitely a lot of flaws – some of which are due to me rushing (I only spent maybe 3 hours total on both), some are just me being unused to cartooning*.

    Err but yes I really appreciate the feedback.  Believe me, on the off chance I try this kind of thing again it’s good stuff to know.  Hrm… Disqus won’t let me give you a llama badge <_< so you'll have to make due with a like I suppose.

    *I was trying to exaggerate his beard to make him look a little bit sinister, in the same way the Calvin and Hobbes sticker it's based on gives Calvin that scrunched up face and evil grin… but I didn't pull it off so well.  He almost looks like old pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini ><

  • Mackrimin

    It always has been.  It is perhaps the single biggest issues that
    communism has, unfortunately.  When one is tied into a vast system where
    individual effort is insignificant in the face of the collective
    effort, it becomes easy for a person to just stop trying and ride the
    wave of effort produced by everyone else.  Maybe that one effort will
    not be missed, but if enough people have the same mentality, well, you
    can see why that becomes a problem.

    So… how is this any different from any other economic system? My boss gives me a list of things to do in the morning (1-day plan?). His boss gives him a production plan for the week (hopefully before Monday). And lots of people I know simply ride the wave, doing only the absolute minimum required to not get fired (sent to gulaks in Soviet Russia).

    Also, it’s worth noting that communism turned Russia, which had collapsed in WWI and been a joke long before that, into an empire bent on world domination in a mere few decades. Soviet Union ultimately lost, but the measures required for that is ultimately the foundation of USAs current troubles, so it could still turn out to be a draw. And frankly, it could be argued that Reagan didn’t so much out-fight but out-evil the Evil Empire, which wasn’t willing to respond in kind and escalate things to all-out nuclear war.

    So, the three single biggest issues communism has is that it was on the losing side of “World War 3: Cold War”, provided a nice ideological coating for a fight for domination, and still remains a useful strawman to shoot down any attempt to equalize economy. Lack of productivity is not amongst them.

  • Mackrimin

    It always has been.  It is perhaps the single biggest issues that
    communism has, unfortunately.  When one is tied into a vast system where
    individual effort is insignificant in the face of the collective
    effort, it becomes easy for a person to just stop trying and ride the
    wave of effort produced by everyone else.  Maybe that one effort will
    not be missed, but if enough people have the same mentality, well, you
    can see why that becomes a problem.

    So… how is this any different from any other economic system? My boss gives me a list of things to do in the morning (1-day plan?). His boss gives him a production plan for the week (hopefully before Monday). And lots of people I know simply ride the wave, doing only the absolute minimum required to not get fired (sent to gulaks in Soviet Russia).

    Also, it’s worth noting that communism turned Russia, which had collapsed in WWI and been a joke long before that, into an empire bent on world domination in a mere few decades. Soviet Union ultimately lost, but the measures required for that is ultimately the foundation of USAs current troubles, so it could still turn out to be a draw. And frankly, it could be argued that Reagan didn’t so much out-fight but out-evil the Evil Empire, which wasn’t willing to respond in kind and escalate things to all-out nuclear war.

    So, the three single biggest issues communism has is that it was on the losing side of “World War 3: Cold War”, provided a nice ideological coating for a fight for domination, and still remains a useful strawman to shoot down any attempt to equalize economy. Lack of productivity is not amongst them.

  • P J Evans

    I don’t think communism was what made the Soviet Union try world domination. Remember the Romans? And the British Empire? And the US? World domination, but not communism.

  • P J Evans

    I don’t think communism was what made the Soviet Union try world domination. Remember the Romans? And the British Empire? And the US? World domination, but not communism.

  • P J Evans

    I don’t think communism was what made the Soviet Union try world domination. Remember the Romans? And the British Empire? And the US? World domination, but not communism.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    It is one of those “not so different” things. 

    I would actually prefer communism as a system, I am just not sure it can work in a culture that tends to focus on “what’s in it for me?” 

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    It is one of those “not so different” things. 

    I would actually prefer communism as a system, I am just not sure it can work in a culture that tends to focus on “what’s in it for me?” 

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    It is one of those “not so different” things.

    So sort of like the old Soviet joke, “Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man; communism is the exact opposite” ?

  • chris the cynic

    It is one of those “not so different” things.

    So sort of like the old Soviet joke, “Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man; communism is the exact opposite” ?

  • chris the cynic

    I was thinking that Sarah Vowell did a thing on the fireside chats and maybe that would be a book to look into.  I was remembering wrong.  She didn’t listen to them as research, she listened to them because she wanted someone to reassure her and she wasn’t getting any in the here and now.  (Well, the there and then, this was 3 years ago.)

    You can see where she talked about it here.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    I was thinking that Sarah Vowell did a thing on the fireside chats and maybe that would be a book to look into.  I was remembering wrong.  She didn’t listen to them as research, she listened to them because she wanted someone to reassure her and she wasn’t getting any in the here and now.  (Well, the there and then, this was 3 years ago.)

    You can see where she talked about it here.

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    … why did I not know about this woman?   She’s hilarious.  And awesome.

  • http://mistformsquirrel.deviantart.com/ JJohnson

    … why did I not know about this woman?   She’s hilarious.  And awesome.

  • Anonymous

    Sharing the love for Sarah Vowell. If you want to hear more, she’s a frequent contributor on This American Life.

    And if you’re thinking you’ve heard her before, she’s the voice of Violet in The Incredibles.

  • Anonymous

    Sharing the love for Sarah Vowell. If you want to hear more, she’s a frequent contributor on This American Life.

    And if you’re thinking you’ve heard her before, she’s the voice of Violet in The Incredibles.

  • Mackrimin

    I would actually prefer communism as a system, I am just not sure it can
    work in a culture that tends to focus on “what’s in it for me?”

    And I would prefer an economic system where problems are solved based on what’s likely to work best rather than what solution best adheres to an economic ideology, such as communism or capitalism. I simply don’t think that we can have that unless we neuter communism-as-strawman first.

    Of course, continuing economic collapse due to hubris will eventually force reconciling economic policy with reality, but that will be… painful.

  • Mackrimin

    I would actually prefer communism as a system, I am just not sure it can
    work in a culture that tends to focus on “what’s in it for me?”

    And I would prefer an economic system where problems are solved based on what’s likely to work best rather than what solution best adheres to an economic ideology, such as communism or capitalism. I simply don’t think that we can have that unless we neuter communism-as-strawman first.

    Of course, continuing economic collapse due to hubris will eventually force reconciling economic policy with reality, but that will be… painful.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    And I would prefer an economic system where problems are solved based on what’s likely to work best rather than what solution best adheres to an economic ideology, such as communism or capitalism.

    This.  

    I think that all policy should be governed by pragmatism over ideology, with maybe a moral edge of “greatest possible good for greatest number of people,” to smooth off an excess of ruthlessness.  When people yell “That’s socialism!” in response to pragmatic plans to enact financial industry restrictions, my response to them is, “So what?  What does it matter so long as it works?”  

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    And I would prefer an economic system where problems are solved based on what’s likely to work best rather than what solution best adheres to an economic ideology, such as communism or capitalism.

    This.  

    I think that all policy should be governed by pragmatism over ideology, with maybe a moral edge of “greatest possible good for greatest number of people,” to smooth off an excess of ruthlessness.  When people yell “That’s socialism!” in response to pragmatic plans to enact financial industry restrictions, my response to them is, “So what?  What does it matter so long as it works?”  

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Sorry for the old post necro, but I saw this and I wanted to say that I have seen this memorial with my own eyes and FDR’s bitter denunciation of war perfectly captures its ultimate futility and uselessness in solving the world’s problems.

    Would that people so gung-ho for wars in the 2000s had read this!

    http://i.imgur.com/OGLuO.jpg

    The full speech is here, in which FDR excoriates the gold-rush mentality of war profiteering as well:

    http://www.academicamerican.com/twentiesdepww2/worldwar2/docs/FDRChautauqua.html

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Sorry for the old post necro, but I saw this and I wanted to say that I have seen this memorial with my own eyes and FDR’s bitter denunciation of war perfectly captures its ultimate futility and uselessness in solving the world’s problems.

    Would that people so gung-ho for wars in the 2000s had read this!

    http://i.imgur.com/OGLuO.jpg


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