Liberal bloggers did not stage the Values Voter Summit

TalkingPointsMemo has a slideshow of exhibitors booths from the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit. If you want to see pictures of the featured speakers at the event, check any newspaper or turn on the TV news — with every major Republican candidate for president showing up to speak and to court the conservative evangelical voting bloc represented by this “summit” it was pretty big news.

I just want to point out again that the Family Research Council is not a clever parody devised by liberals looking for a strawman to attack. And the Values Voter Summit was not organized by liberal writers from Religion Dispatches and Talk2Action in order to set a crafty trap to lure fringe figures of the religious right into making a spectacle.

Nor were all those leading Republicans tricked into attending the event, courting the votes of this crowd, due to some liberal conspiracy to portray them as science-denying, Rapture-awaiting, gay-hating extremists. They elected to attend this event and did their best to portray themselves as science-denying, Rapture-awaiting, gay-hating extremists.

The Family Research Council organized the event, as it does every election cycle. And the Republican candidates rushed to attend, as they do every election cycle. This isn’t something liberal bloggers invented or exaggerated. It’s real. There are pictures. And all of the goofiness and extremism is supplied, voluntarily, by the candidates and religious-right organizations themselves.

The Values Voter Summit likes to portray itself as representative of all of American evangelicalism.

That is not true, and when they make that false claim, they should be called out on it. Evangelicals who disagree with the politics, science and stunted ethical views of the Values Voter Summit are right to protest that they do not represent all or even a majority of us.

But for folks like Jim Wallis, Mark Pinsky and Jim Ball to say that these so-called “Values Voters” are not part of American evangelicalism is just as ridiculously dishonest as the FRC’s claim that they comprise the whole of it. To say that this bloc of voters on the religious right is insignificant or marginal or a mere fringe in American evangelicalism is just as dishonest as their claim to be the only group of any significance. To say that they are No True Scotsman evangelicals is just as dishonest as their claim to be the Only True Scotsman among evangelicals.

They’re here. They’re influential. And they’re dangerously wrong. Let’s stop pretending otherwise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Pelikan/100000903137143 Jonathan Pelikan

    Yeah, patheos loves to throw up the most bullshit ads it can possibly find for a liberal evangelical blog. “Tell Obama to stop eating white babies just because he’s such a reverse-racist!” I have saved several of the best under the series name ‘FuckRepublicans[number].jpg’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Pelikan/100000903137143 Jonathan Pelikan

    Yeah, patheos loves to throw up the most bullshit ads it can possibly find for a liberal evangelical blog. “Tell Obama to stop eating white babies just because he’s such a reverse-racist!” I have saved several of the best under the series name ‘FuckRepublicans[number].jpg’.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    I agree with most of that, but I don’t think I want a government that values SCIENCE! Non-capslock science I appreciate, but when elected officials start laughing maniacally and ranting about showing them, showing them all!* it’s not a good sign. 

    *They laughed at me! They called me mad!

    That seems to be basically how we got our economic policy. 

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    I agree with most of that, but I don’t think I want a government that values SCIENCE! Non-capslock science I appreciate, but when elected officials start laughing maniacally and ranting about showing them, showing them all!* it’s not a good sign. 

    *They laughed at me! They called me mad!

    That seems to be basically how we got our economic policy. 

  • http://www.fiftystarowl.com Philly_Adam

    Percentage of Americans who are Creationists:  40%
    Percentage who self-identify as political liberals:  20%

    Politicians know that people who share their professed values will vote for them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/40-of-americans-still-bel_n_799078.html
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx

  • http://www.fiftystarowl.com Philly_Adam

    Percentage of Americans who are Creationists:  40%
    Percentage who self-identify as political liberals:  20%

    Politicians know that people who share their professed values will vote for them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/40-of-americans-still-bel_n_799078.html
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx

  • WingedBeast

    Contrast that with Percentage of Americans who have been told for all their lives that “liberal” means “extremist charicatures like man-haters, drug-addicted pacifists, crazy people throwing red paint on people’s clothes, and anybody who just plain hates whitey.”

    Take the liberal values and conservative values.  Ask the majority of Americans which, on an individual level, they actually value and you’ll find that the majority of Americans are actually liberals.  They’re just don’t want to say it because conservative talking heads have done a decades long job of poisoning the well for that name.

  • WingedBeast

    Contrast that with Percentage of Americans who have been told for all their lives that “liberal” means “extremist charicatures like man-haters, drug-addicted pacifists, crazy people throwing red paint on people’s clothes, and anybody who just plain hates whitey.”

    Take the liberal values and conservative values.  Ask the majority of Americans which, on an individual level, they actually value and you’ll find that the majority of Americans are actually liberals.  They’re just don’t want to say it because conservative talking heads have done a decades long job of poisoning the well for that name.

  • Mr. Heartland

    “Percentage of Americans who are Creationists:  40%”

    People within this group could be more properly described as follows:

    Low information folk who, in an attempt to be fair, assume that all controversies are valid: 40%

    People who have been fooled by the RTC verbal toad-puffing act into thinking that creationism is the normative Christian standard; and would be surprised to learn that their own denominations signed off on evolution long ago: 40%

    People who honestly believe in a literal Adam and Eve riding their trusty dinos across the
    prairie singing ‘Get Along Little Dogie’s’ and ’God Bless America’: 20%

  • Mr. Heartland

    “Percentage of Americans who are Creationists:  40%”

    People within this group could be more properly described as follows:

    Low information folk who, in an attempt to be fair, assume that all controversies are valid: 40%

    People who have been fooled by the RTC verbal toad-puffing act into thinking that creationism is the normative Christian standard; and would be surprised to learn that their own denominations signed off on evolution long ago: 40%

    People who honestly believe in a literal Adam and Eve riding their trusty dinos across the
    prairie singing ‘Get Along Little Dogie’s’ and ’God Bless America’: 20%

  • P J Evans

    Well, if they had ‘booth boys’ too, it would be a lot more interesting for the rest of the attendees. *g*
    (Actually, if there are a lot of booth babes around, it’s a sign of a trade show that’s not going well, probably for economic reasons. Or so I’ve been told by attendees of shows with eye candy.)

  • P J Evans

    Well, if they had ‘booth boys’ too, it would be a lot more interesting for the rest of the attendees. *g*
    (Actually, if there are a lot of booth babes around, it’s a sign of a trade show that’s not going well, probably for economic reasons. Or so I’ve been told by attendees of shows with eye candy.)

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I vote for candidates who say they value what I value.

    Wheareas I vote for candidates who demonstrably value what I value. Talk is cheap.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I vote for candidates who say they value what I value.

    Wheareas I vote for candidates who demonstrably value what I value. Talk is cheap.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of that, but I don’t think I want a government that values SCIENCE! Non-capslock science I appreciate, but when elected officials start laughing maniacally and ranting about showing them, showing them all!* it’s not a good sign.

    Au contraire.  It is an awesome sign.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of that, but I don’t think I want a government that values SCIENCE! Non-capslock science I appreciate, but when elected officials start laughing maniacally and ranting about showing them, showing them all!* it’s not a good sign.

    Au contraire.  It is an awesome sign.

  • Anonymous

    “Percentage of Americans who will respond in the affirmative to every survey, regardless of subject: 23%”.

  • Anonymous

    “Percentage of Americans who will respond in the affirmative to every survey, regardless of subject: 23%”.

  • WingedBeast

    Percentage of Americans who know that all statistics are completely meaningless?  X.

  • WingedBeast

    Percentage of Americans who know that all statistics are completely meaningless?  X.

  • Lonespark

    WORD.

  • Lonespark

    WORD.

  • Lonespark

    I do not have words for the amount of sense that does not make.  I don’t read Slate much, so I don’t know how much they value making sense and having a point and whatnot, but gaaaaaahhh!  

  • Lonespark

    I do not have words for the amount of sense that does not make.  I don’t read Slate much, so I don’t know how much they value making sense and having a point and whatnot, but gaaaaaahhh!  

  • Lonespark

    miscegenation
    Huh.  I always thought that required breeding, but apparently not.  I have learned a thing this day.

  • Lonespark

    miscegenation
    Huh.  I always thought that required breeding, but apparently not.  I have learned a thing this day.

  • Albanaeon

    Hey, I used to have that model ever so long ago.  It was one of my pride and joys actually because it was the biggest in the that particular line of toys.  And for the time, they were pretty accurate (the Dinosaur Renaissance was just kicking off) and I had managed to acquire most of them.  To see the model displayed for a creationist booth actually makes me pretty angry. 

  • Albanaeon

    Hey, I used to have that model ever so long ago.  It was one of my pride and joys actually because it was the biggest in the that particular line of toys.  And for the time, they were pretty accurate (the Dinosaur Renaissance was just kicking off) and I had managed to acquire most of them.  To see the model displayed for a creationist booth actually makes me pretty angry. 

  • Donalbain

    I found it interesting that the relationship education booth included a
    photo of an interracial couple.  Back when I was a teenager/young adult
    (sometime in the Pleistocene, I’ll admit), you would have gotten rants
    against miscegenation from most southern Christians, and even from the
    liberals you would have heard (I _did_ hear) strong advice against
    interracial marriage.
    So the hope is out there somewhere.

    You forget, it was Conservative Christians who were at the forefront of fighting for the rights of mixed race couples. Absolutely no Christians opposed them, just the secluar hate filled liberals. Admittedly, at the time it was difficult to see that a nd it may have LOOKED as if there was some resistance to mixed race marriages from bigoted Christians, but luckily history has cleared that all up for us. Just like today, it might seem that Christians oppose rights for gay people, but in a few years, when gay rights is widely accepted, we will be able to see that it was the conservative Christians who were leading the fight against the evil liberals who wanted to oppress homosexual people.

  • Donalbain

    I found it interesting that the relationship education booth included a
    photo of an interracial couple.  Back when I was a teenager/young adult
    (sometime in the Pleistocene, I’ll admit), you would have gotten rants
    against miscegenation from most southern Christians, and even from the
    liberals you would have heard (I _did_ hear) strong advice against
    interracial marriage.
    So the hope is out there somewhere.

    You forget, it was Conservative Christians who were at the forefront of fighting for the rights of mixed race couples. Absolutely no Christians opposed them, just the secular hate filled liberals. Admittedly, at the time it was difficult to see that and it may have LOOKED as if there was some resistance to mixed race marriages from bigoted Christians, but luckily history has cleared that all up for us. Just like today, it might seem that conservative Christians oppose rights for gay people, but in a few years, when gay rights is widely accepted, we will be able to see that it was the conservative Christians who were leading the fight against the evil liberals who wanted to oppress homosexual people.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    Think this needs some [SARCASM] tags?  I’ve heard enough “Libruls are the REEEEAL racists!!@!” gibberish on the internet lately that it’s possible someone new here might think you’re serious.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    Think this needs some [SARCASM] tags?  I’ve heard enough “Libruls are the REEEEAL racists!!@!” gibberish on the internet lately that it’s possible someone new here might think you’re serious.

  • Mcfirefly4

    Denying evolution is not denying science; it is refuting the claims of scientists, which have not ever been nor are now exclusively based on science. Not all scientists are now, nor have they ever been, in agreement with evolution. But disbelieving in evolution is so unpopular that it is an easy target to make a person or position look stupid. Even creationists know that evolution is a powerful idea; we can’t miss that.

    But for the Social Darwinists who control the Religious Right to pretend that they are anything but Darwinists by belief and practice, that they want people to so believe God that they obey and agree with Him rather than stay conveniently backslidden so they can be manipulated for this agenda, and for liberals in turn to use creationism to paint the opposition as “dangerous” to science and rationality–the return to the dark ages, as always–is completely dishonest. Across the board, right and left, politicians show themselves to be hypocrites who live for this world only, who deny the higher values–those which have their origin in the teachings of the Bible, such as justice, tolerance and truth–and show us that God did not send this RR movement any more than He sent the “secular humanists” that play their dialectical part so well. Western Christians have become so pragmatic that we’re no heavenly good, and we need to repent of this and let our lives be about what Jesus is about, His gospel of saving people from the righteous judgment of God.

  • Mcfirefly4

    Denying evolution is not denying science; it is refuting the claims of scientists, which have not ever been nor are now exclusively based on science. Not all scientists are now, nor have they ever been, in agreement with evolution. But disbelieving in evolution is so unpopular that it is an easy target to make a person or position look stupid. Even creationists know that evolution is a powerful idea; we can’t miss that.

    But for the Social Darwinists who control the Religious Right to pretend that they are anything but Darwinists by belief and practice, that they want people to so believe God that they obey and agree with Him rather than stay conveniently backslidden so they can be manipulated for this agenda, and for liberals in turn to use creationism to paint the opposition as “dangerous” to science and rationality–the return to the dark ages, as always–is completely dishonest. Across the board, right and left, politicians show themselves to be hypocrites who live for this world only, who deny the higher values–those which have their origin in the teachings of the Bible, such as justice, tolerance and truth–and show us that God did not send this RR movement any more than He sent the “secular humanists” that play their dialectical part so well. Western Christians have become so pragmatic that we’re no heavenly good, and we need to repent of this and let our lives be about what Jesus is about, His gospel of saving people from the righteous judgment of God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-McGraw/100001988854074 Patrick McGraw

    let our lives be about what Jesus is about, His gospel of saving people from the righteous judgment of God.

    I’m pretty sure Jesus’ gospel was one of love for God, for yourself, and for your neighbor. And expressing that love through feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, treating the sick, and otherwise caring for anyone who is less fortunate that you in some way.

    But maybe I’m reading a different book.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-McGraw/100001988854074 Patrick McGraw

    let our lives be about what Jesus is about, His gospel of saving people from the righteous judgment of God.

    I’m pretty sure Jesus’ gospel was one of love for God, for yourself, and for your neighbor. And expressing that love through feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, treating the sick, and otherwise caring for anyone who is less fortunate that you in some way.

    But maybe I’m reading a different book.

  • http://twitter.com/jclor jclor

    Denying evolution is not denying science; it is refuting the claims of
    scientists, which have not ever been nor are now exclusively based on
    science.

    I see what you did there: it’s a remarkable bit of inversion.  The theory of evolution is not based solely on science (implying some kind of secularist dogma), but those who deny it do so in a seemingly scientific manner, refuting false claims … with what, exactly? Contradictory evidence?  Anyway, it would make a great headline if it were remotely true.  You are welcome to provide citations.

    Not all scientists are now, nor have they ever been, in agreement with evolution.

    Only something approaching 99%.  I guess that’s still within the margin of error, it you’re not terribly bright.

    the higher values–those which have their origin in the teachings of the Bible, such as justice, tolerance and truth

    I don’t have my reference materials handy, but I’m pretty sure the Egyptians and Sumerians had words for justice and truth.  Egypt even had a goddess devoted to truth: Maat.  And those civilizations predate your Bible by a year or a thousand.

    You tar the right and the left the same brush (of false equivalency) and claim we need to “let our lives be about what Jesus is about.”  I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t advocate for bearing false witness in order to win an argument.

    Oh — great scare quotes are secular humanists.  That was a nice touch.

  • http://twitter.com/jclor jclor

    Denying evolution is not denying science; it is refuting the claims of
    scientists, which have not ever been nor are now exclusively based on
    science.

    I see what you did there: it’s a remarkable bit of inversion.  The theory of evolution is not based solely on science (implying some kind of secularist dogma), but those who deny it do so in a seemingly scientific manner, refuting false claims … with what, exactly? Contradictory evidence?  Anyway, it would make a great headline if it were remotely true.  You are welcome to provide citations.

    Not all scientists are now, nor have they ever been, in agreement with evolution.

    Only something approaching 99%.  I guess that’s still within the margin of error, it you’re not terribly bright.

    the higher values–those which have their origin in the teachings of the Bible, such as justice, tolerance and truth

    I don’t have my reference materials handy, but I’m pretty sure the Egyptians and Sumerians had words for justice and truth.  Egypt even had a goddess devoted to truth: Maat.  And those civilizations predate your Bible by a year or a thousand.

    You tar the right and the left the same brush (of false equivalency) and claim we need to “let our lives be about what Jesus is about.”  I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t advocate for bearing false witness in order to win an argument.

    Oh — great scare quotes are secular humanists.  That was a nice touch.

  • WingedBeast

    Denying evolution is denying science.  It’s denying the fruits of the scientific method.

    “Science” is not defined as “anything that every single person who would ever call themselves a scientist believes”.  It’s actually a method of information gathering that works to eliminate prejudice from perception of results.

    And, yeah, Republicans these days are dangerous to our national science education.  They’re actively refusing any information that doesn’t fit their preconceptions and preferences, which is exactly the opposite of how science works.

    By the way, truth, justice, tolerance, none of these have their origins in the teachings of the bible.  As has been said before, Jesus said a many great things, none of them new.

  • WingedBeast

    Denying evolution is denying science.  It’s denying the fruits of the scientific method.

    “Science” is not defined as “anything that every single person who would ever call themselves a scientist believes”.  It’s actually a method of information gathering that works to eliminate prejudice from perception of results.

    And, yeah, Republicans these days are dangerous to our national science education.  They’re actively refusing any information that doesn’t fit their preconceptions and preferences, which is exactly the opposite of how science works.

    By the way, truth, justice, tolerance, none of these have their origins in the teachings of the bible.  As has been said before, Jesus said a many great things, none of them new.

  • Rikalous

    Au contraire.  It is an awesome sign.

    Yes, but then you end up with people like the shirtless convict shown here http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090506 running the show.

  • Rikalous

    Au contraire.  It is an awesome sign.

    Yes, but then you end up with people like the shirtless convict shown here http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090506 running the show.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Well, if they had ‘booth boys’ too, it would be a lot more interesting for the rest of the attendees. *g*

    (Actually, if there are a lot of booth babes around, it’s a sign of a trade show that’s not going well, probably for economic reasons. Or so I’ve been told by attendees of shows with eye candy.)

    You know, the last time I ran into* some booth babes at a convention, they hustled me over to their booth because they wanted to take a picture of them with me in my sexy costume.  

    Now there is a switch…

    * I was only going to their booth because they were promoting some kind of energy drink, and said sexy costume can be hot and I was a bit dehydrated.  I otherwise tend to stay away from babe-heavy booths for the reasons PJ mentioned.  

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Well, if they had ‘booth boys’ too, it would be a lot more interesting for the rest of the attendees. *g*

    (Actually, if there are a lot of booth babes around, it’s a sign of a trade show that’s not going well, probably for economic reasons. Or so I’ve been told by attendees of shows with eye candy.)

    You know, the last time I ran into* some booth babes at a convention, they hustled me over to their booth because they wanted to take a picture of them with me in my sexy costume.  

    Now there is a switch…

    * I was only going to their booth because they were promoting some kind of energy drink, and said sexy costume can be hot and I was a bit dehydrated.  I otherwise tend to stay away from babe-heavy booths for the reasons PJ mentioned.  

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    You forget, it was Conservative Christians who were at the forefront of fighting for the rights of mixed race couples. Absolutely no Christians opposed them, just the secular hate filled liberals. Admittedly, at the time it was difficult to see that and it may have LOOKED as if there was some resistance to mixed race marriages from bigoted Christians, but luckily history has cleared that all up for us. Just like today, it might seem that conservative Christians oppose rights for gay people, but in a few years, when gay rights is widely accepted, we will be able to see that it was the conservative Christians who were leading the fight against the evil liberals who wanted to oppress homosexual people.

    And now they are trying to reclaim feminism.  All those mama bears, fighting for the right to raise their daughters as completely submissive to the authority of their husbands under God… 

    Or they do the reverse, and claim that our country was founded by devout Christian men and its laws are based on Christian Values, and any evidence that suggests they supported a secular state is just a liberal plant, put into our history books to deceive generations of students (which is why you cannot trust public education anyway.)  

    :p

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    You forget, it was Conservative Christians who were at the forefront of fighting for the rights of mixed race couples. Absolutely no Christians opposed them, just the secular hate filled liberals. Admittedly, at the time it was difficult to see that and it may have LOOKED as if there was some resistance to mixed race marriages from bigoted Christians, but luckily history has cleared that all up for us. Just like today, it might seem that conservative Christians oppose rights for gay people, but in a few years, when gay rights is widely accepted, we will be able to see that it was the conservative Christians who were leading the fight against the evil liberals who wanted to oppress homosexual people.

    And now they are trying to reclaim feminism.  All those mama bears, fighting for the right to raise their daughters as completely submissive to the authority of their husbands under God… 

    Or they do the reverse, and claim that our country was founded by devout Christian men and its laws are based on Christian Values, and any evidence that suggests they supported a secular state is just a liberal plant, put into our history books to deceive generations of students (which is why you cannot trust public education anyway.)  

    :p

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    @7a2e8d2b18406692cef0f51f0ec03040:disqus Jesus is about the good news of about saving people from God?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-McGraw/100001988854074 Patrick McGraw

    Jesus is about the good news of about saving people from God?

    Apparently. This is not a universal Christian idea. Many Christians in fact find the idea horrific, and without Biblical basis. Our position is not new.

    When we point this out, as Rob Bell has, the response from “Team Hell” is full of anything but love.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    This is not a universal Christian idea. Many Christians in fact find the idea horrific, and without Biblical basis. Our position is not new.

    As one of the Christians who finds the idea horrific, I agree. Twas a rhetorical question.