Satan, Hitler, Antichrist

Some of us use the game “rock, paper, scissors” to decide who has to wash the dishes or pay the bar tab. Some use the game “Satan, Hitler, Antichrist” to decide that Others are intrinsically evil and thus We must be intrinsically righteous.

I like “rock, paper, scissors,” in part, because playing it is not a sin and because playing it does not turn you into an insufferable, delusional jackwagon incapable of self-knowledge.

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SATAN

Rick Joyner, Morningstar Ministries:

Even if the accusers all prove to be liars and deceivers, this does not prove that something did not happen. Doubts have been raised about Herman Cain’s character that will taint him with many for the rest of his life. …

My point is that you can be the most pure, perfectly righteous person to ever walk the earth, be falsely accused of heinous behavior, and many, if not most, people will believe it. The “father of lies” is called “the accuser of the brethren” for a reason. For thousands of years, he has been doing much of his evil with accusations. He has destroyed the reputations, and sometimes the lives, of many very good people, and some of the world’s best people.

Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas:

Baby killer!

Bill Keller, “evangelist”:

“During President Obama’s nearly three years in office, he has proven by his words and deeds to be a true enemy of God,” Keller said in a statement released on Monday. “He has been the most pro-death president in history through his support of the killing of innocent babies, he has been a staunch ally of the radical homosexual agenda, and a true friend to the enemies of Israel.

“While Mitt Romney has been willing to change his core beliefs on critical spiritual issues like abortion and gay marriage, he has never denounced his beliefs of the satanic Mormon cult!” added Keller.

Michael Bresciani, Renew America:

There is little doubt that the entire gay and lesbian community is guided by a powerful demon spirit who is subordinate to Satan.

Joanne Highley, LIFE NYC:

We definitely cleanse and bind demonic powers out of females’ uterus cavities, out of genitals and, of course, out of anal canals and out of intestines, out of throats and mouths if there’s been ungodly deposit of semen in those areas. …

As you renounce the homosexual sin that you are practising as evil, the other person can command the demons to leave you so that you can choose a godly response to temptation.

HITLER

Ray Comfort, creator of abortion-is-the-Holocaust film “180”:

Germany lawfully slaughtered six million Jews. America has lawfully slaughtered nearly ten times that amount.

ANTICHRIST

Michael Bresciani, Renew America

If we use the Bible alone to answer the question it will show that the rise in gay activism is not only a new low for the nation but it is part and parcel to last day’s prophecy. It is only a small part of a pervasive deepening of immorality that the Bible says must precede the rise of the antichrist and the final judgments of God against a rebellious and totally reprobate generation.

Gordon Klingenschmitt, former military chaplain

A Catholic chapel, a Protestant chapel, must be opened up or the chaplain who refuses to do that will be punished for disobeying disorders, or discriminating against homosexual weddings. Of course, the chaplain may have the option to not preside at the wedding ceremony itself but he does not have the option to keep his sacred space, and keep the chapel, from being desecrated.

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  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I offer a variation on Hanlon’s Razor:  

    “Never attribute to the supernatural what can adequately explained by mundane humanity.”  

    And a variation on Occam’s Razor:  

    “The supernatural explanation is likely the wrong one.”  

  • Anonymous

    You know I don’t see them helping their cause with those statements 

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    I can try to comprehend, but can never truly know what it’s like to live a life of constant, absolute obsession with dominance and control.  I can only hope that these people continue to be open with the public about how frothingly insane they get over any suggestion of loss of power. More than that I hope that the public is paying attention, and remembers what happened to the nation the last time the right-wing had political control, so that in next year’s election, when there are more than just hard-core activists going to the polls, the general American populous will make it clear that this absurd, juvenile pseudo-fascism will not stand.  

  • Anonymous

    And why does it always have to be hitler? 
    Why not Stalin.

  • http://loosviews.livejournal.com BringTheNoise

    Sometimes it’s Stalin, but he just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    Because people like this see Godwin’s as a goal to be achieved as quickly as possible.

  • Hawker40

    I think that it has to do with how the murdering was done.
    Stalin killed more people, to be sure, but most of it was incidental: he had a goal, and if you died while he achieved it then you died.
    Hitler’s goal was the killing itself.

  • Phil

    “Hitler’s goal was the killing itself.”

    Well…

  • hapax

    And why does it always have to be hitler? 
    Why not Stalin.

    I hope you’ll forgive me, but now I really want to build a Rodney Dangerfield-style routine around this. I tell ya, I don’t get no respect, no respect at all…

  • Anonymous

    Tho’ in Stalin’s act, he changes the catchphrase to “I tell you, I get the respect. All the respect,” followed by hours of applause because everyone’s afraid to be the first one to stop.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon
  • Anonymous

    It’s the ‘stache.

  • http://www.blogger.com/home?pli=1 Coleslaw

    Before Hitler, it was Napoleon, but only if you lived in England.

  • Anonymous

    Before Hitler, it was Napoleon, but only if you lived in England.

    On a tangent, here’s an amusing antique guzunder.

  • Anonymous

    I ask the same… with Stalin it would be easier for conservatives to blame leftists (being Stalin a very creepy one… and let´s not star a discussion about not true whatever)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    They usually don’t put that much effort into it. They usually insist that Hitler was a leftist and point to the fact that Nazi means National SOCIALIST and blahblahblah liberals are fascists.

  • Matri

    They usually don’t put that much effort into it.

    It’s odd, and more than that in disturbing. A mere decade ago their rhetoric was lazy, for want of a better word. Just lazy, stuff they couldn’t be bothered to look up or learn. Juvenile stuff, “they’re bad ‘cuzz they is.”

    Now, it’s downright lying. “They’re demons because of some stuff I made up while tripping on LSD that you should totally believe instead of reality because Bible.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    Really? Demonizing people you disagree with is a pretty old technique. We even have a word for it now — I can’t remember what it is off the top of my head though…

  • Matri

    Really? Demonizing people you disagree with is a pretty old technique.
    We even have a word for it now — I can’t remember what it is off the
    top of my head though…

    Oh I don’t doubt that. I’m saying, a decade ago they didn’t put as much thought into their arguments or accusations. It’s only recently that they’ve been more refined, with actual thought put into it to make them SOUND appealing. It’s still incredibly ridiculously stupid, but it is worded in such a way to be appealing to their target demographic.

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    point to the fact that Nazi means National SOCIALIST

    Interesting historical trivia: Time magazine articles from the 30s frequently put scare-quotes around “Socialist” when referring to the Nazi party. 

  • Anonymous

    Wait, someone actually named their church Morningstar Ministries? Talk about ambitious! Wait, you mean he’s not trying to convert Satan and the Hellish Host? Oh, well…

    FWIW and OT, here’s William S. Burrough’s introduction to Queer, where about halfway through he says that shooting Joan Vollmer through the head was a case of demonic possession. Hard to know how to take such a statement…

  • Anonymous

    There is little doubt that the entire gay and lesbian community is guided by a powerful demon spirit who is subordinate to Satan.

    I think this guy seems to know a little too much about Satan’s managerial structure.  Generally, you don’t get to see the org chart unless you’re an employee, shareholder, or consultant — so take your pick.

  • P J Evans

    Generally, you don’t get to see the org chart unless you’re an employee, shareholder, or consultant

    My experience is it’s usually limited to employees and maybe the board of directors. Consultants – possibly if they’re planning a reorganization.

  • Lori

     Even if the accusers all prove to be liars and deceivers, this does not prove that something did not happen. Doubts have been raised about Herman Cain’s character that will taint him with many for the rest of his life. …

     He has destroyed the reputations, and sometimes the lives, of many very good people, and some of the world’s best people.  

    This is a perfect example of what’s wrong with all this “the devil did it” nonsense. Damage has been done to Herman Cain’s reputation (though how lasting it will be is an open issue. America loves a “reformed” scandal subject”). The damage wasn’t done by the “father of lies” though, it was done by Herman Cain. His polling numbers held when the accusations were made. They tanked after Cain started talking about the accusations and revealed himself to be exactly the sort of man who would sexual harass a subordinate and then lie about it. 

    Joyner’s fantasies are fiction. Cain is not “very good people”. He is certainly not one of “the world’s best people”. He’s just another rich asshole looking to get richer by “running for president”, aka conducting a PR campaign to launch the next stage of his career—Right Wing media star. 

  • Anonymous

    (though how lasting it will be is an open issue. America loves a “reformed” scandal subject”)

    Alternatively, you could take the philosophical approach like my co-worker, who remarked last week that sure, Cain harassed a few women, but if Obama stays in office he’ll impose Sharia law, which would be bad for MILLIONS of women.  The needs of the many, right?

    I can’t make up stuff like this.  And it goes to show that you can get people to overlook a lot of sins, as long as you can keep them even more afraid of the other guy.

  • http://twitter.com/shay_guy Shay Guy

    Cain is not “very good people”.

    On the other hand, “very nice people” in the Hayate the Combat Butler sense might be a possibility.

  • http://twitter.com/MarySueTwiteth Mary Sue

    Dear Joanne Highley:

    Keep out of my uterus please, you creepy, creepy woman. 

    Ugh. *shudders*

    No love,
    Mary Sue

  • runsinbackground

    Also, why is it that the only explicitly female part referenced there is “uterus cavities?” Don’t lesbian women’s mouths and fingers (and what-have-you, never been a lesbian myself) get just as much of a workout as gay men’s “anal canals and intestines, throats and mouths” do? I think the real perceived problem here is not so much homosexuality as dirty, dirty sperm. And who the hell talks like that (anal canal? uterus cavities?) anyway?

  • Anonymous

    To say nothing of lesbians’ anal cavities.  Women are just as capable of deriving pleasure from that area as men are.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    “Lesbian Anal Cavities” sounds like a name for a rock band.  

    I mean, if “The Butthole Surfers” can be an actual name, then… 

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    I think most right-wingers would consider this hair-splitting, but IFAIK only male-male homosexuality is technically proscribed by Leviticus. Like every other red-blooded heterosexual male, Yahweh’s cool with the lesbians. 

  • Anonymous

    Satan: sign of the horns
    Hitler: Nazi salute type hand position (OK, I guess this is just the same as Paper)
    Antichrist: peace sign (remember, the Antichrist brings peace, which is evil)

    Hitler<Antichrist<Satan<Hitler

    The Antichrist outclasses Hitler in depravity (via his evil, evil peace), Satan indwells the Antichrist, and Hitler continues to rapidly overtake Satan as our de facto cultural symbol of evil incarnate.

  • hapax

    But don’t forget that:

    Spock > Satan (because he stole his eyebrows and ears)
    Lizard > Hitler  (just ask David Ickes)

  • Ken

    Bill Keller:  “Mitt Romney has been willing to change his core beliefs on critical spiritual issues”

    And Meta-Mitt rubs his hands in glee, saying “There really is one born every minute!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    I think it’s a little offensive that Satan has delegated the management of the LBGT community to one of his lesser demons. What else is he doing that’s so goddamn (sorry!) important?

  • Anonymous

    What else is he doing that’s so goddamn (sorry!) important?

    Whispering in the ears of Joyner, Neugebauer, et. al.

  • LL

    When did America slaughter over 60 millions Jews? I must have missed this story. As well as the subsequent economic devastation that resulted in New York City, Los Angeles and Boca, well, really, all of Florida. Apparently, it’s where America kept most of its retired Jewish people. 

  • Jared Bascomb

    I was going to make this point, but you beat me to it.

  • Anonymous

    If I started spouting the kind of obscene ~ yes, obscene ~ and hateful rubbish Highley and Bresciani come out with my family would be urging me to seek medical help. But on a lighter note (and do I need one after that), Morningstar Ministries?! To quote from an Alice Walker novel, “Call on the one you serves, boy ~ call on the one you serves”.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I think that they name it “Morningstar” instead of “Morning Star” because instead of being affiliated with Satan, they just like to club people over the head with the spiky end of their beliefs.  

  • Anonymous

    “If we use the Bible alone to answer the question” -citation needed-  “it will show that the rise in gay activism is not only a new low for the nation but it is part and parcel to last day’s prophecy. It is only a small part of a pervasive deepening of immorality that the Bible says must precede the rise of the antichrist and the final judgments of God against a rebellious and totally reprobate generation.”
    Sounds like a win-win to me. We take a step closer to equality and they take a step closer to Turbo Jesus. Why are they against marriage equality again?
    Bresciani goes on to say, “There is an ample supply of heated rhetoric, anger and abusive language leveled at anyone who takes a stand against the pervasive acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle but the screaming voices of the condemned on the judgment day, wailing at believers for not warning them, would be a lot more difficult to endure.”
    Will that wailing by any chance go something like, “Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?” or is that the kind of heated rhetoric and abusive language I should avoid?

  • Paradox244

    They don’t hate gays, they just think that they are literally the thralls of Satan, tasked by the Father of Lies to bring about the damnation of the world!  That’s not hateful at all! 

    @!$?!!%##!

  • Anonymous

    Highley appears to be saying that condoms are proof against Satan and his demonic powers. I’m confused!

  • Anonymous

    And dildos/strap-ons are “godly”. Although I suppose depending upon how much you like them, that might be an accurate cry during se-uh, description.

  • Anonymous

    “so that you can choose a godly response to temptation.”

    Have gay sex and lie about it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

    “Gordon Klingenschmitt:
    Catholic chapel, a Protestant chapel, must be opened up or the chaplain
    who refuses to do that will be punished for disobeying disorders, or
    discriminating against homosexual weddings. Of course, the chaplain may
    have the option to not preside at the wedding ceremony itself but he
    does not have the option to keep his sacred space, and keep the chapel,
    from being desecrated.”

    I’m confused.  Aren’t military chapels usually ecumenical?  How does a chaplain, of any denomination, call the space his (or hers)?  Or is my total lack of direct experience with the military showing here?

    Also, Klingenschmitt doesn’t seem too familiar with how Catholic churches deal with situations like this (or at least _some_ Catholic churches).  The church here at UCLA loans space for the University Buddhist Association’s weekly meeting, and it has never been a problem.  They haven’t hosted a Buddhist wedding, because people are willing to go a bit further from campus for special occasions, but there was only positive feedback when the UBA had the session on “Buddhism and Homosexuality”, to the extent that anyone commented at all.

    All of this is independent of the non sequitir of how somebody getting married in a place somehow makes it ritually unclean.

  • LunaticFringe

    “There is little doubt that the entire gay and lesbian community is
    guided by a powerful demon spirit who is subordinate to Satan.”

    That’s not a nice thing to call Lady Gaga.

  • Anonymous

    “Germany lawfully slaughtered six million Jews. America has lawfully slaughtered nearly ten times that amount.”

    Really?  When did we kill sixty million Jews?

    Not to mention, while six million people were killed in the Holocaust, only five out of six were Jews.  That other million was made up of Roma (Gypsies), Communists, gay men, and people who were politically opposed to Hitler’s rise to power.

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention, while six million people were killed in the Holocaust,
    only five out of six were Jews.  That other million was made up of Roma
    (Gypsies), Communists, gay men, and people who were politically opposed
    to Hitler’s rise to power.

    Really?  I always heard it was 6 million Jews and 5-6 million “others” to include Roma, Communiss, gay men, inconvenient Germans, etc.

  • Lori

     Really?  I always heard it was 6 million Jews and 5-6 million “others” to include Roma, Communiss, gay men, inconvenient Germans, etc.  

     

    For various reasons its difficult to pin down exact numbers, but this is closer to correct. The best available estimates of Jewish deaths are around 6 million. Other targeted groups such as Slavs, the Rom, LGBTQ, the physically & mentally handicapped and mentally ill add an additional 5-11 million victims. Most scholars say the total was in the 11-13 million range, but the most expansive definition puts the total at more than 17 million. 

  • Anonymous

    But that would be 11 million people!  I never heard numbers anywhere near that high.

    …Come to think of it, my history classes were very leery about covering WWII in any depth, for some reason.  They’d tell you about every single battle in the Civil War, but the World Wars were treated like “but of course you know all this stuff already, so I’m just going to gloss over it.”

  • Lori

     But that would be 11 million people!  I never heard numbers anywhere near that high.  

     

    Your history classes failed you. It sounds like the issue of Jewish deaths and total deaths got totally muddled and left you with a pretty major inaccuracy. Like I said earlier, the high end of estimates is 17 million. 11 million is a pretty conservative estimate of total deaths.  

  • Mau de Katt

    I am continually amazed at how dang obsessed the Conservatives are with the genitals and various body cavities of QUILTBAG folks, and what said folks supposedly do or don’t do with them.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I am continually amazed at how dang obsessed the Conservatives are with the genitals and various body cavities of QUILTBAG folks, and what said folks supposedly do or don’t do with them.

    As usual, there is an Onion article for that.

  • Anonymous

    I am continually amazed at how dang obsessed the
    Conservatives are with the genitals and various body cavities of
    QUILTBAG folks, and what said folks supposedly do or don’t do with them.

    Sometimes I wonder if they stick their fingers in their ears and imagine that people whose sexual relationships they actually approve of aren’t actually deviating from sex they actually approve of.

    Along I-75 here in Tennessee, almost to the Kentucky border, there’s a humongous sex store called Adult World.  Next to it is a Shell that sells beer.  I bet the local Baptists don’t recognize each other in either place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Pelikan/100000903137143 Jonathan Pelikan

    Breaking: Evil people say things that are evil and most people, especially those oriented towards the left, being not evil, are offended. More at six.

  • Joshua

    Joanne Highley has clearly spent a lot of time thinking about this, in considerable detail.

  • Anonymous

    And isn’t that a delightful image…

  • Kitamibound

    Bresciani:

    Unlike the lie that alcoholism is a disease,

    Well, there goes the argument that homosexuality is like alcoholism, an inborn tendency that you fight against. I guess that to this guy guy they are both either Satanic possession or lack of proper willpower? Do they exorcise drunks? How is that working out for them as a cure for alcoholism?

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Only if their vice is hard liquor: ‘OUT! OUT! Unclean spirits!’

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    Not to mention, while six million people were killed in the Holocaust, only five out of six were Jews.  That other million was made up of Roma (Gypsies), Communists, gay men, and people who were politically opposed to Hitler’s rise to power.

    What I was taught was that six million Jews were killed, and a roughly equivalent number of non-Jews were killed..  Six million being around half of the total death toll.  I cannot cite I source because I learned it from teachers in high school.  It may have been in textbooks too, but if it was 

    I’m about to rant about a topic no one cares about.

    And a variation on Occam’s Razor:—The supernatural explanation is likely the wrong one.

    It annoys me that people seem to think that Occam’s Razor speaks of likelihood.  It does not.  It says nothing about what is likely or unlikely to be correct.  One of the most important things it does is remove right and wrong from the equation entirely.

    It makes it impossible to fall back on, “But it’s true,” as a defense for your overly complex theory that Gravity is a result of God’s nasal hair.  It says that truth doesn’t matter.  Being right or wrong doesn’t matter.  What matters is results.  If two things give the same result we don’t give a flying fuck which is right and which is wrong, we go with the simpler one because entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily and if the added complexity doesn’t improve the results then it is entirely unnecessary.

    It says nothing about probability, and thus any version of it that uses a word like “likely” is inaccurate (and, in fact, cuts against the entire point of the razor.)  It says nothing about correctness and thus any version of it that uses a word like “right” or “wrong” is inaccurate (and, in fact, cuts against the entire point of the razor.)

    Now I should point out that you weren’t necessarily saying something like that here as you never made a claim about what the razor actually is.  I’m just at a loss for how, “The supernatural explanation is likely the wrong one,” is a variation on, “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.”  “Supernatural explanations should not be introduced unnecessarily,” I could see, but where you got likely and wrong from I really don’t know.

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    I’m about to rant about a topic no one cares about.

    Hey! I care about that! Mostly because I’ve seen Occam’s Razor misused enough to care. I once had someone try to argue that “the simplest explanation is often the truest” mean Creationism was more likely to be true because it was much simpler than evolution.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Now I should point out that you weren’t necessarily saying something like that here as you never made a claim about what the razor actually is.  I’m just at a loss for how, “The supernatural explanation is likely the wrong one,” is a variation on, “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.”  “Supernatural explanations should not be introduced unnecessarily,” I could see, but where you got likely and wrong from I really don’t know.

    Sorry, I was trying to keep the quote quick and snappy, done more out of amusement than as a formal argument.  

    That said, I tend to think that unless an explanation can be tested and replicated, it cannot hold water as an explanation.  The “tiny teapot” or “invisible pink unicorn” kind of thing.  Believing in it is one thing, trying to use it to explain some phenomena in the material world is another.  I think of “supernatural” as being the kind of things which fall into that realm.  If something, no matter how strange, can be analyzed and the conditions and effects replicated, then I do see that as being natural as opposed to “super natural”.  

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    My point is that you can be the most pure, perfectly righteous person to ever walk the earth, be falsely accused of heinous behavior, and many, if not most, people will believe it.

    Can I say how amused I am that it’s a Christian starting an analogy with “the most pure, perfectly righteous person to ever walk the earth”? Really? That’s the hyperbole you want to open with, Mr. “I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior”? 

    “He has been the most pro-death president in history through his support of the killing of innocent babies, he has been a staunch ally of the radical homosexual agenda, and a true friend to the enemies of Israel.

    Pharoh objects to the first and last counts! (OK, technically, Pharoh wasn’t a president, but really he’s got to be at the top of the historical dead-baby scoreboard and close if not at the top of the ‘enemies of Isreal’ list…)

    Oh, and I got off the boat and read up on Joanne Highly… from the link:

    Why wouldn’t it be reasonable that if people crawl around on the floor of bars and have homosexual sex, that they would pick up demonic power?

    Logic fail. I don’t know what else to say about the kind of mind that makes that sort of claim.

    Germany lawfully slaughtered six million Jews. America has lawfully slaughtered nearly ten times that amount.

    So…. every aborted fetus since the 70’s was Jewish? Wait, is that from Ray “Banana Man” Comfort?

    If we use the Bible alone to answer the question…

    If we use the Bible alone to answer any question, without applying our own experiences and context, let alone science, logic, evidence, reason, and compassion… we wind up with a level of social sophistication just above Bronze-age sheep-herders. Use the Bible if you will, but you might want to suppliment it with some of the knowledge and insight gleaned from the last few centuries of history… just a suggestion.

  • Matri

    Why wouldn’t it be reasonable that if people crawl around on the floor
    of bars and have homosexual sex, that they would pick up demonic power?

    *headdesk*

    Ow.

    *headdesk*

    Ow.

    *headdesk*

    Ow.

  • Anonymous

    I thought you had to sacrifice a black goat or something to “get demonic power”. Joanne Highley’s method sounds like a lot more fun, and considerably more acceptable to animal-lovers.

  • nanananana

    There really isn’t any better way for me to describe how i feel about most of theses articles sooo here it is…

    What the @$%& did I just read?

  • Anonymous

    Unrelatedly, the law firm of Steven J. Baum P.C., which specializes in foreclosures and had the ‘homeless Halloween party,’ has closed its doors and laid off all its employees.  The owner sent an email to the New York Times writer who released the original story, saying “You have destroyed everything and everyone related to Steven J. Baum PC.  It took 40 years to build this firm and three weeks to tear down.”  I think that Baum, whose firm was notorious for contesting regulations requiring accuracy in forclosures, has nobody to blame but himself for his failures — as a lawyer, as a business owner, and as a human being.

    I would like to feel some sympathy for the employees who were laid off and are now having to deal with financial insecurity, especially since not all of them went to the halloween party as homeless people.  (Indeed, the one who passed the photos on to the NYT called them ‘appalling.’)  So I hope they find something soon to get them through winter.

    Amongst the tragedies in this story is that Baum himself probably has enough holdings and such that he needn’t worry about getting through winter, and will come up smelling like roses eventually.  His former employees won’t.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Unrelatedly, the law firm of Steven J. Baum P.C., which specializes in
    foreclosures and had the ‘homeless Halloween party,’ has closed its
    doors and laid off all its employees.  The owner sent an email to the
    New York Times writer who released the original story, saying “You have
    destroyed everything and everyone related to Steven J. Baum PC.  It took
    40 years to build this firm and three weeks to tear down.”  I think
    that Baum, whose firm was notorious for contesting regulations requiring
    accuracy in forclosures, has nobody to blame but himself for his
    failures — as a lawyer, as a business owner, and as a human being.

    *world’s smallest violin*

    Also, a trick people like to play in the business world is because company owner isn’t normally liable for the assets of an incorporated company, if a company’s run into trouble, the usual routine is to bankrupt the business, then restart it under a new name with the assets transferred at fire-sale prices.

    I’ve heard of both computer stores and trucking companies doing this here in British Columbia.

    Five’ll get you ten that Baum guy will wait a few months, then miraculously come up with a new business name, but doing the same stuff. And he’ll deny that bankrupting his business was done with crocodile tears to try and garner sympathy.

  • Lori

    Totally OT, but of interest to a fair number of slacktivites: The Atlantic has a link up to the hour-long documentary Terry Pratchett: Choosing To Die, which is about Pratchett’s exploration of the possibility of assisted suicide in the face of his diagnosis with early onset Alzheimer’s.  

    http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/11/choosing-to-die-a-sick-sir-terry-pratchett-explores-assisted-suicide/248638/?&utm_content=Google+Reader

  • Anonymous

    The Atlantic has a link up to the hour-long documentary Terry Pratchett: Choosing To Die,
    which is about Pratchett’s exploration of the possibility of assisted
    suicide in the face of his diagnosis with early onset Alzheimer’s. 

    Thanks for the link, but I can’t.  I just can’t. I don’t want to spend the rest of the evening bawling my eyes out.

  • Lori

     I just can’t. I don’t want to spend the rest of the evening bawling my eyes out.  

    I totally understand. 

    I was glad that I was along while I watched it. Among other reasons, I was not blessed with the ability to cry nicely. 

  • Joshua

    I recall the Encyclopaedia Judaica put the number of Jews exterminated in the holocaust  at 5.8 million, basing the figure on a comparison of before-and-after census records in the affected countries.

    Numbers of gay, Roma and communist dead are not included. I remember a figure of 4 million from somewhere, but I can’t remember for sure if it was all of those or some subset. It may have been the number of homosexuals, according to the material at the Dachau memorial in Germany.

  • Anonymous

    Fred, imma let you finish, and I really like your blog and all, but man, how can you stomach dredging up all this stuff?  Gonna hang with PZ and Hitch, the crazy out there in Christianland is just too much for me.

  • Anonymous

    We definitely cleanse and bind demonic powers out of females’ uterus cavities, out of genitals and, of course, out of anal canals and out of intestines, out of throats and mouths if there’s been ungodly deposit of semen in those areas.

    Corn liquor and a biology textbook are a terrible combination.

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    …if there’s been ungodly deposit of semen in those areas.I’m confused by the use of ‘ungodly’ as a volumetric adjective. It’s semantics, really, but the speaker obviously thinks that the “ungodly” part of “ungodly deposit of semen” is a function of location, rather than volume. I’d imagine any semen anywhere other than a lady’s “sin cavern” (Thanks @JessicaR) would be viewed as “ungodly” by that crowd.

  • Anonymous

    My impression was that she feels that any “deposit of semen” is ungodly, and she has a lurid fascination with the location of said deposits. I couldn’t say which of our interpretations is more correct.

    Anyway.
    Part of the problem with this sort of statement is that I have to ask questions to understand what it means, but then I have to continue discussing things like “ungodly deposits of semen.”

  • Lori

     My impression was that she feels that any “deposit of semen” is ungodly, and she has a lurid fascination with the location of said deposits. I couldn’t say which of our interpretations is more correct.  

     

    I think your interpretation is correct, but Chris’ is funnier :)

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    My impression was that she feels that any “deposit of semen” is ungodly,
    and she has a lurid fascination with the location of said deposits.

    The whole thing is odd if you stop and think about it:

    We definitely cleanse and bind demonic powers out of females’ …throats and mouths if there’s been ungodly deposit of semen in those areas.

    That could lead to some akward exchanges…

    “Miss Higley! Miss Higley! I have been defiled by demonic powers!”
    “Do not fear, girl. We have cleansed your uterus cavities and anal canals!”
    “No, no, I know that. It still burns a little. But those were not the only places I was defiled.”
    “Ah. Yes. Well, we looked down your throat with a scope, and took a swab, but…”
    “Yes? Yes, you found the demonic influence?”
    “Well… we found some, but it wasn’t exactly an ungodly amount you see…”
    “…oh, I see…”
    “I mean, it’s definitely sinful, and I wouldn’t recommend trying to make a meal of it…”
    “Yes…”
    “But we don’t think it’s enough to warrant a cleansing you see. Now go stay pure… ish.”

  • Anonymous

    The whole thing is odd. 
    Is Joanne differentiating between demonic defiling powers and semen deposits? If so, where do the demonic defiling powers come from? 
    Actual demons, or just regular old sex that demons are for some reason interested in? Do certain positions provoke the defiling?

    On the other hand, is it possible to have a godly deposit of semen in one’s mouth and throat?

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    I think “ungodly” is one of those words like “disgruntled” where the root antonym has fallen out of common use. No one says they ate a ‘godly’ amount of food, or walked a ‘godly” distance.

  • Lori

     The whole thing is odd.  

    Saying that this is an understatement is itself a significant understatement. 

  • Anonymous

    Corn liquor and a biology textbook are a terrible combination.

    Imagine what she come up with if she had a physics book.

    Better yet, give her a copy of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. She could probably come up with the question for which the answer was “42”.

  • Matri

    She could probably come up with the question for which the answer was “42”.

    Why do I suspect that the question would involve ungodly amounts of semen in there somewhere?

  • Anonymous

    Why do I suspect that the question would involve ungodly amounts of semen in there somewhere?

    That’s what the towel is for…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Mix/100000574306150 Ed Mix

    The_L1985 10 hours ago
    “Not to mention, while six million people were killed in the Holocaust, only five out of six were Jews.  That other million was made up of Roma (Gypsies), Communists, gay men, and people who were politically opposed to Hitler’s rise to power.”

    Not to nit pick (what’s a few million between friends) but I think the # is 6 mil Jews + 4 mil others and you left out gay women and the handicapped and trade unionists.

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Mix/100000574306150 Ed Mix

    She could probably come up with the question for which the answer was “42”.
    There you go.  The answer to the ultimate slacktivist question:  “What is an ungodly amount of seamen?” The answer is 42.

  • Matri

    I’m just gonna say it for all of us:

    … Ew! [/valley girl impression]

  • Rikalous

    The answer to the ultimate slacktivist question:  “What is an ungodly amount of seamen?” The answer is 42.

    A gathering of forty-two sailors is offensive to God? What’s’e got against ships with big crews?

  • Hawker40

    I always knew that carriers were more ungodly than destroyers, but I never knew how much more ungodly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Mix/100000574306150 Ed Mix

    More opportunity for teh buttsex is my best guess.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Mix/100000574306150 Ed Mix

    Ooops!  I Godwined the thread.  Sorry.

  • Tonio

    Instead of rock-paper-scissors, I imagine a contest where the Big Evil Three attempt to out-evil each other.

  • Anonymous

    So, how really, really not evil do you have to be as a demon to get sent to some guy’s “anal cavity”?

    “And behold, in the last days I will pour out Teh Stupid….”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    By the time you throw in military + civilian dead from 1931 to 1945 in all war theaters the total death toll is a mind-boggling 50 million people. There’s a reason why some guy termed this era the “Hemoclysm”. (O_O)