We’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you

When the Republican bishops insist on making themselves ridiculous, honest people will provide the only appropriate response: ridicule.

Amy Poehler and Seth Myers: “Really!?! With Seth and Amy

Jon Stewart: “Sir, your parable about the kosher deli, while delicious, makes no [frocking] sense …

Mark Silk: “Lori’s Kosher Deli

What’s interesting about Lori’s little jeu d’esprit is not how inept the analogy is, however, but how a proper Parable of the Kosher Deli would prove the opposite of what he’s seeking to demonstrate.

(Yes, Bishop William E. Lori of Bridgeport: You have made yourself a punchline. And a set-up. Congratulations.)

Katie Halper: “10 Thoughts About the House’s All-Male Panel Convened to Discuss My Vagina

1. I guess I should give the GOP props for voting against the Violence Against Women Act, since it would be hypocritical to condemn violence against women, while at the same time advocating ultrasound rape. …

The Onion: “New Law Requires Women to Name Baby, Paint Nursery Before Getting Abortion

Megan Carpentier: “5 sexual health services insurance will cover … for men

Viagra? Of course, with no objection from the bishops. And they’re unperturbed by insurance coverage for “vacuum erection devices” or for penile implants.

Laura Conaaway: “Panel Chosen to Discuss Viagra Distribution

Semi-related rewind: “Top 10 Boston Red Sox Nicknames That Would Have Made an Even Worse Name for an Oral Contraceptive

Update: But wait, there’s more …

John Aravosis highlights this video: “Women Hold Hearing on Men’s Reproductive Health

Sarah Seltzer shares another video from The Daily Show.

And in comments here, of course, we’ve had performance artist Amanda Squeeze entertaining us with her Poe spoofing the wankery of anti-women trolls who just repeat the same thing, over and over and over, refusing to qualify their mechanical talking points even after their assertions have been refuted. (Amanda says she’s just trying to demonstrate how it’s impossible to regard such folks as arguing in good faith when they’re incapable of listening. I asked her to tone it down a bit with her character “Frank,” though, because it’s not as funny when the parody crosses the line into an over-the-top cartoon figure that just makes the person out to be totally unreasonable.)

  • Lunch Meat

    Ooh! And we can require a year’s paid maternity leave! And say that it’s a sin to be sexually harassed, so all those harassers are violating my conscience! I don’t want to control them or make them follow my religion, you understand, I just don’t want to be complicit in the harassment.

  • Mary Kaye

    Frank:

    I have a Mirena IUD that is keeping me from bleeding to death.  You don’t think my health insurance should have paid for it, meaning that if I didn’t happen to have $500 (which is what it costs) plus whatever the office visit to insert it would have cost, I would have bled to death.

    You are telling me that I ought to die.  Not to save a baby.  There is NO BABY.  I am not fertile with or without the IUD.  I was never going to have a baby.  But I was going to bleed to death, and *every single effective solution involved birth control*.

    You have a lot of nerve calling yourself pro-life and turning around to tell me that if I can’t pay $500 out of pocket I should *die*.

    Do you think that that is what Jesus would have said?  Was that his usual attitude toward the poor or sick?  “If you can’t pay, you should die”?

  • Kiba

    I trust scripture do you?

    As I’ve said to you in other threads I’m not a Christian and your book means diddly squat to me. I’ve read it font to back but it means nothing to me. I also do not see how it gives you any means to tell other people how to life or how to exercise their own Christian faith. If the bible was so cut and dried there would never have been schisms and heresies.

    See, I believe comprehensive healthcare is a human right and should be available to all people. That includes contraception. You do know that contraception is used for other medical reasons than to prevent pregnancies, right? As a man I also believe that it is not my place to tell a woman what medications she can or cannot have. That is between her and her medical provider.  

    You say men should be just as responsible but I notice all your bile is directed solely at women. You need to control your uterus; you need to take responsibility. The only time I’ve seen you state what a man’s responsibility is it was this: “Sorry but when your egg is fertilized with a male sperm that fertilized egg is both part of him and you. You do not get to decide alone what happens to the unborn child.” Which is wrong, by the way. The ultimate decision is the woman’s since she, and only she, is the one that must take the risks. 

  • Lori

     
    Patheos has always had its share of bad stuff, but this is just irresponsible.  

    It really is. This sort of crap and the trolls it attracts are exactly the kind of problem that so many members of the community worried about when the site moved to Patheos. Whatever its intentions may or may not be, as a practical matter it is to balanced religious coverage not much better than what Fox News is to balanced news coverage.  

  • Anonymous

     Oh sorry I was only talking to the Christians. If you are not one then I don’t expect you to follow scripture.

    I’m an atheist. Where’s my free contraception?

  • Kiba

    It is not realistic for anyone to expect you to follow the teachings of Christianity.

    And yet here you are arguing that all women must conform to your version of Christianity.

    Yours is a unique case which most everyone would recognize. So no I think if you need help paying for it you should have it.

    And what about the fertile women that are on birth control for medical reasons? Do you not understand the concept of a double standard? Why make any woman jump through hoops to get contraception? You don’t know why she needs it and, frankly, it is none of your business. As I keep saying that is between her and her doctor and no one else. 

  • Quinnthebrain

    Frank, I have PCOS (as do 4-5% of the female population) and used birth control pills for many years for a) keeping my hair from falling out and my ovaries from bursting, and b) also not getting pregnant in the off chance that it happened naturally.  So do I a) get the birth control free of co-pay because I have a health condition?  Or do I b) not get the birth control because I’m a dirty slut who also has sex without wanting to pay the consequences?

    You can choose.  Or c) you could figure out that this is a medical decision that has NOTHING to do with you, the Bishops, or my employer. 

  • Anonymous

    “Mary Kay if your doctor decides that your IUD is a life saving device [...] your insurance should pay for it”

    That’s not how insurance works. It doesn’t matter if one’s doctor sends a notarized letter to her boss, her insurer, her priest, you and the President promising that this is life-saving for-realsy. If it’s not in the plan, it’s not covered.

    “Yours is a unique case…”

    It’s not as unique as you think.

    “…which most everyone would recognize.”

    Maybe if some doctors were allowed to testify in Congress instead of the anti-sex brigade all the non-contraceptive uses of these medications would be better known.

  • Anonymous

     What medical reason would a fertile woman be on birth control for? A very small percentage of the cases if any.

    Irregular periods. Painful periods. That covers 99% of the women I know. And that’s assuming we don’t count ‘preventing pregnancy’ as a medical reason to take contraception, which it is.

  • Lunch Meat

    I know a woman who will die if she tries to carry a baby to term. Will die. Period. She could get pregnant, but barring a miracle she will die of it. I don’t remember what her condition is called, but I’m not going to ask her to come here and explain it, because that would subject her to more misogynistic bile. We women get enough of that in daily life.

  • Kiba

    Reasons? You mean like these: Lowering the risk for both endometrial and ovarian cancer; lighter, less painful periods; PMS relief; Endometriosis, a condition in which uterine-lining tissue grows in other pelvic areas, can lead to scarring, severe pain, and sometimes infertility; Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) a hormonal disorder.
    Those are just a few that I found with out even looking hard. 

  • Anonymous

    Trust me when you say something of substance or something relevant I will respond to it.

    Oh man, to be in 3rd grade again, playing cops and robbers. “I shot you!” “No you didn’t! You missed!” “I was standing right in front you!” “I’ve got a bullet proof vest!” “No you don’t!” “Yes I do!” “Then I get one too!” “Nuh-uh!” “Yuh-huh!” Etc. Etc.

    I am not Catholic so ask them.

    If the issue is religious freedom, then whether or not you are a Catholic is irrelevant.    But, oh wait! My mistake! This this isn’t about religious freedom for you, is it? It’s about the innocent pre-babbies! How many pre-babbies have you saved wasting time with me on the interwebs today? None! Exactly the same number of women you haven’t been able to harass and intimidate outside of a Planned Parenthood.

    Troll: 0
    Troll’s Troll: 1

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    It’s annoying that the kosher deli idiot shares my name, even if it is his last & my first. First I had to share a birthday with Nixon and now this. Sigh.

    You think that is bad?  I share a first and a last name with a Jamacian guy who shot a bunch of people on a train on Long Island, then represented himself at the trial and insisted to witnesses that they were wrong when they identified him as the killer. 

    You can imagine how that went over the week the story broke the news as I was in school…

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    And a paid year’s paternity/caregiver-who-did-not-give-birth leave too! 

    Also veterinary insurance and a reading stipend.

  • Lori

     
      I share a first and a last name with a Jamacian guy who shot a bunch of people on a train on Long Island, then represented himself at the trial and insisted to witnesses that they were wrong when they identified him as the killer.  

      

    I remember that guy. My sympathies, because that’s definitely worse than the deli idiot. 

  • Lori

    If there is any justice in the world you’re going to end up with really, really nasty prostate problems. 

  • Kiba

    Goalposts, you’re moving them.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I find it hard to believe anyone could truthfully be as offensive, ignorant, misogynistic, vile, and so ~busy~ at it too, all on a blog that is the opposite of everything he purports to believe, as “Frank” is. So I’m calling troll, ignore him and he’ll go away. Let him wank to the attention of other people, no reason to participate in his little game.

  • Lunch Meat

    Men don’t know what “painful period” means. And misogynist mansplainers don’t care enough to understand. Yes, periods are expected to be painful.* So when a period is described as painful, enough to warrant medication, that means it’s much, much worse than just the baseline cramps.

    *Don’t like it? Should have thought of that before being a woman!

  • Lunch Meat

    Since no one is reading or commenting on the thread where I originally posted it, and in an effort to talk about something else, I’m making another note of this here: 
    Folks at my alma mater have published a webmagazine about their experiences as queer people at a conservative Christian university. We want to generate a whole lot of publicity, so I’d appreciate it if people would pass it on wherever they can. It’s at http://voicelesszine.com . Thanks!

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    And number 5 on my current list of “Things that men should know, and apparently don’t”:

    Irregular or painful periods? Really? Um I think menstruation is
    expected to be painful and is often irregular due to hormonal issues.
    There are other ways to treat those conditions other than
    contraceptives.

    My housemate has periods which literally leave her lying on her bed screaming in pain. She has had to go to hospital over painful periods five times in the last year.

    When we talk about birth control preventing painful periods, it is talking about REAL PAIN THAT IS ACTUALLY PAINFUL. Anyone who dismisses painful periods as “Eh, silly women, get a backbone and deal with normal life” will be consigned to my mental list of people not worth talking to.

  • http://twitter.com/jclor jclor

    see the topicAnorexia Nervosa or Bulimia Nervosa.Increased exercise. Missed periods are common in endurance athletes.Emotional stress.Illness.Travel.Medicines such as birth control methods

    That big button at the bottom of your keyboard, Frank … think of it as dressing for your word salad.  Feel free to apply it liberally.

  • Anonymous

    What medical reason would a fertile woman be on birth control for? A very small percentage of the cases if any.

    I call my very small percentage “Mom.” It’s very likely because of birth control that I don’t have to call her “my mother, who hemorrhaged and died when I was a kid.” And it’s entirely 100% because of lack of birth control that that’s exactly what my mother-in-law called her mother, except she had to say “when I was a toddler,” as she was barely walking when her mother, along with the conjoined twins who would have been babies #8 and 9 had they survived, bled out and died.

  • Anonymous

    Irregular or painful periods? Really? Um I think menstruation is expected to be painful and is often irregular due to hormonal issues. There are other ways to treat those conditions other than contraceptives.

    You sanctimonious little shittick!  YOU are why Christianity is loosing followers: Because you don’t fucking get it.  Because you come off as a know-it-all when you’re really a godsforsaken know-nothing.  Because you are trying to force people to be things they are not to fit YOUR miniaturized inaccurate world-view.  Reality doesn’t work the way you think it does, no matter how much you pray to God!

    YOU don’t have a uterus.  YOU are not a female.  YOU don’t get pregnant.  It’s easy for you to whine and say what women must do, but unless you’ve gone through the crippling horror that is a period going bad, unless you’ve experienced a pregnancy, unless you’ve gone through a menstruation THAT CAN KILL YOU you SHUT YOUR FUCKING CAKEHOLE about what ‘should’ or ‘shouldn’t be’ in womens’ health.  You know NOTHING about womens’ health, and you’ve damn well proved it just by that one line, Sparky!

    You fucking pathetic ass.  Congratulations, Poe, you got a poster here riled up.  Now shut the fuck up, paint ‘Mission Accomplished’ on your ass, and go away.  And beg your God for forgiveness for bearing false witness, for bearing clueless witness and for putting yourself above your fellows like you were a goddamn tyrant.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I think they want you to responsibly control your uterus without having to kill an unborn child.

    [Trigger Warning: Dead Baby Comedy]

    I suppose we could have the child carried to term, then kill it.  Twist of the head, snap of the neck, and presto!  By that point it is no longer unborn, so it is not technically abortion.  No moral issue there, right?  We could even present it to the local church if they want so they can see that no abortion took place. 

    Of course, that method does take a lot longer, involves more long term and intensive hospital care, requires more paperwork, and is guarenteed to bring down a lot of legal entanglements which could take years and thousands of dollars to resolve. 

    The abortion just makes a lot more pragmatic sense when you think about it. 

  • Emcee, cubed

    1) Guess what? You don’t get to tell ANYONE, even other Christians, what they HAVE to believe, you self-righteous, sanctimonious, hypocritical asshole. You don’t get to talk about “religious liberty” when you want to deny it to anyone else. Which is what you are doing. You are saying that Christians have to believe what you say or they aren’t Christians. You are saying that non-Catholics have to be forced to follow Catholic beliefs by being denied access to something they have a right to. You do not have a pipeline to your God. You do not have a say on who is a Christian and who isn’t. You can talk all you want about what you believe and why. STOP TELLING OTHERS WHAT THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE. YOU DON’T GET A SAY.

    2) Not a “unique” case. It is the case for hundreds of thousands of women. And for hundreds of thousands of other women, there is a different medical condition that causes the same situation. And for hundreds of thousands more there is yet another medical condition that same situation. And so on. This is not unusual. (Some stats I’ve seen say it is, in fact, a majority of contraceptive use, but I can’t confirm that. But it is not unusual by any means.) All of these medical conditions are problematic. Many are extremely painful. Some of them are actually deadly. By denying these women an insurance plan that doesn’t cover contraception, you are denying them medical treatment for serious problems that have nothing to do with contraception. Because if a plan doesn’t cover the Pill, or an IUD, or any form of contraception, it doesn’t matter if the reason is not contraceptive, the plan won’t cover it. Period. This is also why you don’t get a say on this. Because you have no idea what you are talking about.

    3) You say, Scripture says…but them you don’t actually say what scripture says. There are no verses (unless you seriously twist the obvious meanings) that say life begins at conception. There are, in fact, more verses that show that an unborn child is not considered a full person. So stop lying about what scripture says. It doesn’t.

    4) Oooh, you added something before I hit post. Yes, a woman’s cycle can be painful or irregular due to hormonal issues. So they use hormonal therapies to treat it. Hormonal therapies are more commonly known as BIRTH CONTROL. (Oh, and periods are supposed to be painful? Really? So’s a kidney stone. Should we deny you treatment for that?) Seriously? I’m a gay male, who has never had to worry about birth control in his life, and I know this stuff. Why to people insist on rattling on about stuff they have no clue about?

    5) Stop talking about abortion. It is not the topic here. There is nothing in the mandate that deals with abortions or abortion-causing drugs. And you, or anyone else who says there is, is lying.

    6) “Not getting pregnant” can be a medical reason. Women are sometimes told by their doctors that trying to carry a pregnancy to term could be/will be fatal. Rather than get pregnant and have an abortion so they don’t die, they choose contraception. Even when a doctor doesn’t tell them they are at risk, pregnancy is still dangerous, women die for it all the time. Not putting oneself in a situation which could cause death seems like a perfectly valid medical reason to me. Some women have a history of genetic disease for which they may be a carrier, and therefore do not want to have children that suffer from the disease. All of these and more are perfectly valid medical reasons for contraception that actually involve contraception. Again, nobody’s business except the woman’s and her doctors’. Not yours. Not the Catholic Church’s. Not her employers. Not the insurance company.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    Frank, you talk again about how women are “expected” to SUFFER from painful periods, how the DESERVE to have to go through childbirth, how you don’t give one damn about adopting all the unwanted children you want to come into the world, how women who are SUFFERING AND DYING are a “tiny minority” who don’t deseve consideration. How children should grow up unwanted by the parents who were forced to bear them. How children should grow up motherless because their mother died horribly from a pregnancy they couldn’t sustain.  You assert again how you know better than the actual women in pain whether or not they need contraceptives.

    You tell me again how my wife should suffer. How my little boy should not exist because my wife should have SUFFERED the CONSEQUENCES years ago. You tell me again how my mother should have died having a third child. You tell me again how my friend should be unable to hold a job because of her crippling menstrual pain. You tell me again how my niece should be living in poverty with a bunch of siblings her mother can’t afford right now.

    You do all that, and then you tell me again how your position is based on thinking children are a blessing and not on how much you love to hurt women.

    Actually, don’t. Because these things yiou say, they hurt people. And I won’t be a party to you making people suffer.

  • Kish

    Trigger warning: References to two mental disorders.

    You know…

    I think he’s probably a troll. Although he might be that stupid. But, in any case, I think discussing non-pregnancy-related reasons for birth control lets him frame the debate too much.

    Frank, we have something called the Establishment Clause in the United States, where I and (apparently) you live (or where I live and you’re opining at length on what the laws should be). It means church and state are separate. If you’re not outright trolling, then I’m sure that you, like Michele Bachmann, have never heard of it. Luckily, you should be easily able to find someone who can find it for you online and translate it into words of one syllable for you.

    Suppose that a given pharmacist is sufficiently misogynistic that he has extreme distress at the thought of helping a woman who has sex minimize the risk of getting pregnant by doing so. (Not a hard supposition; there are a lot of them.) The pharmacist’s religion may, or may not, be a reason for that feeling. Whether it is or not is beside the point, because we don’t live in a theocracy. (Again: Establishment clause.)

    Suppose, just for the sake of this thought experiment, that we pretend that that level of misogyny is a valid reason for such reluctance.

    So.

    What?

    If you can present a doctor’s note certifying that you have obsessive-compulsive disorder and can’t deal with getting dirty, no one will give you a job which is just like being a garbage collector, except you don’t have to deal with garbage. If you can present a doctor’s note certifying that you have hemophobia, no one will give you a job which is just like being a surgeon, except you don’t have to deal with blood.

    Why would anyone give someone who is unable to do part of a pharmacist’s job a job which is just like being a pharmacist, except for not having to do the part of that job the person doesn’t want to do? Down what rabbit hole does this begin to make sense?

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Or we could wait until the child is born, then refuse to give it insurance and needed medical care because its parents can’t afford it. Or wait until the child is born, then refuse to give it stuff like needed malarial treatments because it lives in a country undergoing “austerity” to make wealthy people half a world away happy. 

    Oh hey, we do that now! Awesome.

  • FangsFirst

    Anyone who dismisses painful periods as “Eh, silly women, get a
    backbone and deal with normal life” will be consigned to my mental list
    of people not worth talking to.

    You are very kind and patient to have taken this long to do said consignment.

    Signed,
    Guy Often Described as Both Kind and Patient, Sometimes Beyond All Reckoning.

  • Anonymous

    See, that was actually funny, because “nothing” used to be a common slang term for vagina in Shakespeare’s day. So it’s entirely accurate AND punny!

  • http://www.marketmentat.com GT

    The easiest way to get the retard Evangelicals to support any baby- or foetus-killing is to declare that the baby or foetus is named Ahmed, or Mohammed, or Hussein… you get the drift. 

    Those psycho nutbags have no qualms whatsoever on extinguishing thousands upon thousands of brown babies or turning them into red mist or charnel, but woe betide any woman who wants to exercise sovereignty over her womb if it contains a baby that’s as white as Evangelical Jesus (who in turn is whiter than Benjamin Netanyahu – who, if memory serves, is Polish).

    Seriously though: it’s the 21st century. Why does anybody argue with these nutbars as if talking to someone whose opinion is not utterly deranged? These people believe that an entity capable of making 100 quintillion stars in a single day, nevertheless saw fit to trade mastery over he earth in exchange for…. foreskins and blood and burning offal. 

    Really? Yahweh couldn’t burn his own offal or create his own supply of foreskin ex nihilo? And he chose an incestuous nomadic Mesopotamian to father the Master Race? (Avram was Sarai’s half-sister, folks… it’s right in there).

    They also believe in the most retarded, primitive, lunatic whackery: go READ the first five books of the OT… it’s so bizarre and depraved it ought to be defined as ‘hate literature’; well, except for the last ten pages of Exodus, which is some boring bullshit about making God the right curtains.

    Making fun of retards who treat their ‘ineffable’ text like an EULA (i.e., they just click ‘Accept’ without reading it) is a bit weak – it’s like taking candy from a baby with Down’s Syndrome, spina bifida and cerebral palsy… who was born ten weeks premature and is in an incubator.

    Fnord.

  • Anonymous

    I should have taken that advice. :( Back to normal business.

  • Lunch Meat

    I really appreciate Fred being such an ally on women’s issues lately, and I love his insight into what’s going on right now–though I can barely keep up with reading everything he posts. I do think that now might be a good time to put up a TF post so that things can cool down and the troll can lose interest.

  • Anonymous

    I think menstruation is expected to be painful and is often irregular due to hormonal issues.

    No, you fucking misogynist asshole, menstruation is not supposed to be painful. And you know how you treat hormonal issues? HORMONES. Know what’s in contraceptive pills? HORMONES.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Or we could wait until the child is born, then refuse to give it insurance and needed medical care because its parents can’t afford it. Or wait until the child is born, then refuse to give it stuff like needed malarial treatments because it lives in a country undergoing “austerity” to make wealthy people half a world away happy.

    Yeah, but that is even more wasteful than snapping its neck after birth.  All that money the family has to sink into that child under an increasing burden of debt, with no repayment possible when the child meets its inevitable fate some years hence.  So much wasted money on that toxic asset…

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     I looked up “Kratoclast”, and all I got was some stock site with an IP number for a URL?

    Just one thing to say:  Please don’t defame retards by associating them with people who _could_ think, but don’t WANT to.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Seriously though: it’s the 21st century. Why does anybody argue with these nutbars as if talking to someone whose opinion is not utterly deranged?

    Because we have a media that is willing to give an inordinant amount of attention to these people, because it fits the narritive that they are forming which in turn helps them establish a captive audience and increase their profitability at the expense of turning our political process into a dysfunctional joke (moreso than it already was at the best of times.)

  • Emcee, cubed

    *sigh* Does any one else get tired from slapping down trolls and idiots on the other side, just to turn around and find one on your own side?

    [trigger warning: I'm not even sure exactly what all to put here yet...just...be careful...oh, and use of derogatory words about mental illness (mostly quoted)]

    @GT:disqus : I don’t know you, and I’ve only seen the one comment. So I won’t go completely ballistic just yet. But.  Do not compare religious people to people with mental and physical illnesses. Is insulting to both sides. (Hint: our host is an Evangelical. Not cool.) Also, the word “retard” is incredibly insulting to mentally challenged individuals, some of whom are actually amazing people and don’t deserve dealing with that word, even if they aren’t talking about them specifically. And as for the rest of your post, it is just as dogmatic and ideological as most of Frank’s post, just coming at it from a different angle. Just because a person is religious (which, by the way, not all religious people believe in the OT, just sayin’), or believes in the OT, does not make them wacky, insane, primitive, or a “retard”. There are plenty of completely rational, intelligent, logical and rather wonderful Christians and other religious people right here on this blog. Stop generalizing or get off my side.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    No, you fucking misogynist asshole, menstruation is not supposed to be painful. And you know how you treat hormonal issues? HORMONES. Know what’s in contraceptive pills? HORMONES.

    You know what really needs to be part of mandatory health plans?  Medication to treat chronic misogynistic assholitis.  It is a crippling condition that renders a person absolutely unable to identify with the female sex or even comprehend any issue that might affect them.  Left untreated, it can lead to someone having an unhappy life spreading their unpleasantness on the internet around them like a digital miasma. 

  • Anonymous


    I recently saw a statistic that 60% of female birth control prescriptions in the US are partially or wholly for non-contraception reasons such as endometriosis and polycystic ovarian syndrome.  (Which is why I have an IUD myself–I am not fertile, but the IUD is keeping me from bleeding to death.)

    I don’t know if this is the report you saw but Live Science reports:

    Overall, more than half of U.S. women use the pill at least in part for non-contraceptive purposes.

    From the article Many Teens Rely on the Pill for Non-Sexual Reasonshttp://www.livescience.com/17061-oral-contraceptive-pill-guttmacher-survey.html

    I think the following information should be of particular interest to those who insist on seeing “the pill” as an issue only of birth control:

    Furthermore, 762,000 women who have never had sex use the pill, primarily for non-contraceptive purposes. Fifty-seven percent said they use it to treat menstrual pain, 43 percent for menstrual regulation, and 26 percent for acne treatment.

  • FangsFirst

    My mom (with a background in medicine, albeit non-human animals) suggested it to my sister. After her first child. For regulation of some whacky hormonal swings. Suggested it, that is, since it’s not some huge deadly evil drug and all. Same way she’d suggest, you know, acetaminophen or aspirin or what have you.

  • http://mmycomments.blogspot.com/ mmy


    I know a woman who will die if she tries to carry a baby to term

    As do I. It is not as vanishingly rare a situation as “they” would like us to think.

  • Quinnthebrain

    It’s rather the point that the decision does NOT belong to me, but rather to my employer, thanks to the Bishops’ and GOP’s stance.  I don’t GET to determine what is a medical decision if my company says that BC pills are off the covered list.  That’s why I’m angry. 

  • http://hummingwolf.livejournal.com/ Hummingwolf

    Not only is The Pill an effective treatment in many reproductive illnesses, it can also be an important treatment for non-reproductive problems.  For instance, my doctors and I have discussed the possibility of my taking hormonal contraceptives in an effort to get my epileptic seizures under control.  This sounds strange to many people, but the so-called “sex” hormones are involved in many body systems seemingly unrelated to reproduction, so that many of us with chronic illnesses and female bodies will have worse symptoms at certain times in our cycle than we do at other times.  So, hormones can be useful for treating epilepsy, migraines, and some other chronic conditions unrelated to fertility.

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    Also…

    With a lot of these medical conditions, it’s not like they go “Well, we could put you on medication A, but if you want you can go on the pill instead.”

    For me, it was “Well, we should put you on the pill – unless you’re trying to get pregnant. Are you? Because if so we could always try inferior medication A…”

    For some of us, there is no medication A, inferior or otherwise. For some of us, it’s either birth control or no medical help at all.

  • Dan Audy

     

    Men don’t know what “painful period” means. And misogynist mansplainers
    don’t care enough to understand. Yes, periods are expected to be
    painful.* So when a period is described as painful, enough to warrant medication, that means it’s much, much worse than just the baseline cramps.

    I never really understood exactly how painful bad menstrual cramps* (though I thought I did) were until my wife ended up in the hospital with a post-operative abscess that nearly killed her.  While there a nurse came around to change the dressing on the 4-inch surgically cleaned abscess and, having failed to properly check notes, assumed that she had been administered morphine prior to this.  She then proceeds to remove foot after foot of bandages (it was kind of like watching a gory clown keep pulling ribbons from his sleeve) from her wound.  Halfway through she notices how much pain my wife was in and inquires why and discovers her mistake and offers to give the morphine now and resume removing the bandages in 20 minutes when the drugs have kicked in.  My wife tells her to just get in over with now and then give her the drugs because “This is no worse than a bad period and I’ve had to go through a lot of those”.  Later, she describes the sensation of having the dressing pulled out as the crippling agony of “Repeatedly having my skin peeled off”.

    *As an aside for any woman who has painful menstrual cramps I can’t recommend Cramp Bark (Viburnum opulus) enough.  Both my wife and my sister (who missed several days of school each period before trying it) swear by it for reduced pain.  It acts as a uterine and intestinal anti-spasmodic (and general anti-spasmotic in high doses) and has an astringent property which helps reduce excessive bloodloss.  It doesn’t help with pain caused by inflamation or irritation of the ovaries or uterus however so it may not solve every painful period.  It can be taken by consuming the dried bark (something my wife describes being much like licking a stick), or by alcoholic tincture and is available at most herbal stores.

  • http://mmycomments.blogspot.com/ mmy

    And this (the comments in the last few hours) is why it is so important for there to be lots and lots and lots of room for women’s voices.

    No woman should ever have to explain or justify her decision to use any legal medication prescribed for her by (or taken on the advice of) her doctor.

    It is so many ways wrong. It isn’t anyone else’s business. 

  • Emcee, cubed

    No woman should ever have to explain or justify her decision to use any legal medication prescribed for her by (or taken on the advice of) her doctor.

    This actually made me think of something else. Frank tried to cop out with the “Oh, it wouldn’t be hard to put in a clause that it would be covered if there was a medical reason” schtick. Actually, I don’t think it would just be hard, I think it would be illegal. Thanks to HIPPA laws, I don’t think the insurance company is allowed to know what reasons drugs are prescribed for, or other medical information. Sure, some things are obvious, to an extent. But if I’m prescribed penicillin, my insurance company shouldn’t be told whether it is because I cut myself shaving and it got infected, or because I got syphilis. All they should know is that my doctor prescribed it, and they cover it. Anything else would be a violation of HIPPA. So yes, not only should no woman have to explain or justify it, it is illegal to make her do so, as well.

    Edited to add disclaimer: I have never been in HR or any other position where I have had to study HIPPA in depth. This is based on my understanding of the law as it was described in employee training when the law went into effect. So I may not know all the nuances. Someone who does know better please feel free to contradict me as needed.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I appreciate Fred being an ally on women’s issues too, even if sometimes it means I decide, “I can’t read slacktivist today, it will make me feel like shit because Fred will be discussing people who think I do not deserve to have control over anything that happens to my body, and who think I’m a horrible, evil, disgusting, terrible “slut” because a woman who has sex just because she wants to is the worst thing that could ever possibly exist in any conceivable universe.”

    Kinda hard to take in the doses we’ve been getting lately. So I, too, would really appreciate a couple days’ reprieve.


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