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Reinhold Bieber.

Yeah? You know who else believes in science?

Guns don’t kill people. People with guns kill people.

Politics is weird. And creepy.”

“If there’s a contest for most sympathetic plaintiff in a lawsuit opposing a state voter ID law, Pennsylvania’s Viviette Applewhite wins.”

Their landlords treat them in ways my landlords have never treated me.”

“Complementarianism isn’t working — in marriages and in church leadership — because it’s not actually complementarianism; it’s patriarchy.”

“The contention that [God] was the kind of author who overlaid the glaringly human text with some esoteric meaning recoverable independently of the meaning it had to the original audiences and available only to subsequent theologians reminds me quite a lot of the infamous ‘Bible Codes’ from a couple years back.”

“Even on this pastor’s own terms, I can’t wrap my mind around the magnitude of ignorance in that short tweet.”

“The dramatic cuts of $169 billion to SNAP proposed this year in the U.S. House would have a devastating impact on all of our congregations’ efforts to address increasing need.”

“Romney seems to have forgotten that the firefighters he came face-to-face with are one category of Americans whose economic pain he’s supposed to be in favor of.”

“If I can get them to understand that putting forth legislation might be harmful to even members of their own party, they might think twice.”

It is hard to see how reestablishing a link between productivity and pay can occur without restoring decent and improved labor standards, restoring the minimum wage to a level corresponding to half the average wage (as it was in the late 1960s), and making real the ability of workers to obtain and practice collective bargaining.”

“Nicole Ferko’s $60,000 in student loans made her put off her dream of becoming a nun for a decade.”

“The instant he checked the diabetes box in the medical records system, he assured that no insurance company would touch me at any price.”

“Shoulda carried the goddamn one. That’s the story of US foreign policy right there.”

  • flat

    Reinhold Bieber, fred with all due respect but: what the fuck, reinhold bieber, I mean what the fucking fuck?

    (My appologies for the above profanity)

    Ps that one about the heartland is also very messed up.

  • Tricksterson

    Not that I’m a fan of Newt Gingrich but isn’t Shep Smith calling anyone delusional a case of pot and kettle?

  • Magic_Cracker

    Oh, I remember The Bible Code, particularly how once the press frenzy ended, this “bestseller” choked the bargain bins  at $3.99 per hardcover.

    I wonder if Christianity never came to be if we’d have The Iliad Code instead.

    (What I’d really like to see, though, is The Finnegan’s Wake Code.)

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    That diabetes thing is very close to what I wrote several years ago when I was diagnosed: Economy of Scale

  • Jonhendry

    No, shep’s the only sane person on Fox News.

  • Jonhendry

    Maybe the Church should do, like, ROTC for priests and nuns. Pay the tuition.

  • aunursa

    Voter ID is not a battle that Democrats are going to win.

    If liberals wanted to get ahead on this issue, you would turn the issue around and argue that government-issued photo IDs should be provided to any voter who is unable to obtain or afford a driver license or passport. 

    And you would call for procedures to be set up to handle Mrs. Applewhite’s case and and the others in similar situations so that they can receive such IDs.  Perhaps a government advocacy department for those who extreme situations make obtaining an ID otherwise impossible.

    If liberals were savvy, that’s how you would address this issue.  Because while you’re certainly free to argue that requiring photo ID is racist or too burdensome, that argument will be a loser in both the court of law and the court of public opinion.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    When this liberal wants your advice, aunursa, she’ll let you know. It’s not now and it’s not about this.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    Four words. 

    I’ve got four words and they will make the republican base STFU about mandatory government-issued IDs required for voting.

  • Jessica_R

    On an unrelated but happy Friday note, The Avengers is awesome. A girl has to get a superhero fix every now and then and it’s nice when I’m not punished for it.

  • aunursa

    You say that as if you are under the impression that I care whether you personally want my advice.

  • Nathaniel

     Nice to see our impression of you as a jackass remains an accurate guiding principle.

  • aunursa

    If that’s your impression, then with all of the commotion in the comments section of each thread, I’ve got plenty of company.

  • ConservativeWhitebread

    wicked burn.

  • Nathaniel

     You wound me good sir. I am deeply hurt at being insulted by someone who expressed pleasure of the thought of thousands of people being denied health insurance.

    I’m almost as hurt as that time Fred Phelps called me a poopyhead.

  • Haven

    “NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate. As an 
    agency, NASA does not draw conclusions and issue ‘claims’ about research findings. We support open scientific inquiry and discussion…If the authors of this letterdisagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse.”

    Most deliciously understated “I call bullshit” ever? Either way, I love it.

  • http://twitter.com/jonhendry Jonathan W. Hendry

    “and argue that government-issued photo IDs should be provided to any voter who is unable to obtain or afford a driver license or passport. ”

    What about people who are unable to get to the government offices to get those IDs, but who as citizens have every right to vote?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

     People like that don’t exist, and if they do they’re so rare that it’s not worth making an exception for them. What I really like is the suggestion that it’s liberals’ responsibility to fix every single idiotic, irresponsible policy that some right-wing hack spews out. (I mean, I know that’s how it works, but it’s annoying when conservatives just accept it like it’s perfectly reasonable rather than a ridiculous imposition and a serious moral hazard on their parts).

    It’s not like it’s an impossible task; . Republican Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia is currently considering a voter ID bill similar to these things. The difference between him and aunursa’s pet hacks is that McDonnell is actually thinking about the repercussions of such policies and is sending it back to the legislature for a fix.

     Of course, you can’t give him too much credit; the whole thing is an (overbearing, meddlesome, Big Government) solution to a problem that everyone admits isn’t really real, but that’s still more than most of these hacks can do.

  • Monala

     It also presupposes that the Republicans would be willing to vote for an allocation of funds to provide the free ID’s to people who lack them.  Not to mention that it doesn’t solve many of the problems alluded to in the article: lack of birth certificates, in many cases for older African-Americans who weren’t born in hospitals; name changes as a result of marriage (wasn’t there an elderly woman in TN denied the right to vote because she had outlived two husbands, and couldn’t get a state ID because no name on any ID she had matched her BC?);  foreign birth and/or marriage certificates.

    And I would bet that if somehow free ID’s became possible, some would start questioning the documents used to obtain said IDs.

  • friendly reader

    Okay, see, now you have me wondering what those four words are, ala the one sentence to bring Superman to his knees in “Red Son.” You’ve got two “likes,” so obviously I should know it…

    Anyway, that story about not getting health insurance with a pre-existing condition is pretty dang reflective of my own experience in America. I applied to three different insurance companies, and all three of them turned me down. There are two things that make this even more frustrating:
    1) They never told me which condition it was they turned me down for. Was it my mental illness (treatable with a $10/month generic drug)? Was it my allergies (an allergist recommended I get shots)? Was it the history of heart disease on my mother’s side of the family? Who knows. They don’t have to tell you.
    2) Regardless of what it was, they could have ridered the concern!! In other words, they could have offered me insurance with the caveat that I pay for shots on my own, or if I got institutionalized it would be on my own head (never going to happen, these meds are a godsend).

    I have tried to explain this to people in Japan, but they just can’t believe it. The idea that pre-existing conditions would bar people from insurance is something that makes no sense to them, what with their national health care plan. Most people buy (very affordable) private health insurance only if they want something to cover the other 30% of bills that the national plan doesn’t pay. I’m still not sure whether it would be worth my money to do that; with my meds not being generic here, it might be.

    Oh, and if you want an example of how socialized medicine doesn’t turn your entire economy socialist, USE JAPAN. It’s one of the most capitalist, consumerist societies on the planet, and they have nationalized health care. And if someone points out the massive debt they have, it’s not the health care so much as their under-funded (very low taxes here) social security/pension plan (very generous, with a rapidly aging population and low birth rates and immigration).

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Don’t worry, I’m not under the impression that you care about anything in relation to me. Since you’re happy I can’t get an operation and all. I would, however, appreciate it if you would stop attempting to tell people whom you have made clear you do not care about what to do.

  • glendanowakowsk

    *psst*  Mark of the Beast, I’m guessing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

     

    It also presupposes that the Republicans would be willing to vote for
    an allocation of funds to provide the free ID’s to people who lack them

    You could construct an argument that, if liberals did make that proposal and Republican politicians blocked it because it would cost too much money, it’s really all liberals’ fault for not finding some way around them.

  • Proslib

     Finnegans

    /nitpick

  • friendly reader

    *facepalm* Duh, of course! Should’ve thought of that. But I guess we haven’t gotten that far in the Worst Books Ever Written. (13 days…)

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    Oh, and if you want an example of how socialized medicine doesn’t turn your entire economy socialist, USE JAPAN. It’s one of the most capitalist, consumerist societies on the planet, and they have nationalized health care. And if someone points out the massive debt they have, it’s not the health care so much as their under-funded (very low taxes here) social security/pension plan (very generous, with a rapidly aging population and low birth rates and immigration).

    Or if you’re feeling bold, go for a twofer and point out that Japan has massive debt, and yet it is doing precisely fuck-all to destroy their economy, because as it turns out, national debts are a complex sort of farce when you’ve got a fiat currency 

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Speaking of health care – the Dems are starting to own the term “Obamacare”. Good :D

  • SisterCoyote

     Oh God, I laughed so hard I scared my dog. You both win an internet.

  • glendanowakowsk

    Where did you find that pic?  It looks like there’s more to it, and I’d like to check it out.  Thanks!

  • reynard61

    “If there’s a contest for most sympathetic plaintiff in a lawsuit opposing a state voter ID law, Pennsylvania’s Viviette Applewhite wins.”

    The problem is that Viviette Applewhite is *precisely* the kind of person that voter repression bills are designed to keep away from the polls. Until *voters STOP ELECTING POLITICIANS WHO PROPOSE AND PASS THESE LAWS TO OFFICE*, they will keep proposing and passing them and we’ll keep losing our ability (and eventually our right) to vote.

  • Graeme from BC

    This may be a bit off topic but the bit about guns got me thinking: did you know that the recent shooting at the jewish school in toulouse (4 dead) was the WORST school shooting in France’s history? Yeah sure gun control laws do nothing uh huh.

  • Graeme from BC

    Not a good example. The japanese haven’t destroyed their economy outright but their prolonged economic slump is now entering it’s second decade.

  • Turcano

     As I’ve learned in my International Finance course, this is pretty much true.  It’s also why countries like Great Britain and Poland were wise to stay out of the Eurozone, and why countries like Greece probably should have been kept out of it.

  • Turcano

     Well, the thing is that Japan a) had their financial markets collapse in the Contagion Crisis of 1997 and new global financial downturns keep kicking their feet out from under them when they start to do better and b) have a major underpopulation problem coming home to roost, a problem that the US definitely doesn’t have.

  • Lori

     

    What I really like is the suggestion that it’s liberals’ responsibility
    to fix every single idiotic, irresponsible policy that some right-wing
    hack spews out. (I mean, I know that’s how it works, but it’s annoying
    when conservatives just accept it like it’s perfectly reasonable rather
    than a ridiculous imposition and a serious moral hazard on their parts). 

    This.

    This is part of the reason we’re in the sad shape we’re in—we keep having to expend time, energy and money fighting whatever vile, idiotic nonsense the Right’s id spewed out today instead of things that actually matter.

     Of course, you can’t give him too much credit; the whole thing is an
    (overbearing, meddlesome, Big Government) solution to a problem that
    everyone admits isn’t really real, but that’s still more than most of
    these hacks can do. 

    I can’t bring myself to give the guy any credit. Everyone pushing these voter ID laws in any form needs to be run out of office. They won’t be, because we’re at about 200% of the RDA for assholes, but they should be.

    Everyone knows that this is a “solution” to a stated problem, voter fraud, which is a total non-issue. The real “problem” is  that overall high voter turn-out favors the Dems and high voter turn-out by the people that voter ID laws aim to disenfranchise favors the Dems by a large margin.

    The party of “government is bad” doesn’t have any problem using overbearing, meddlesome, Big Government to it’s own advantage. Never has. Never will.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    It’s on the Obama campaign website :) Here’s the link:

    http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/

    “The Life of Julia”.

  • P J Evans

    You can vote against them all you want, but unless a majority of the other voters agree with you, it isn’t going to help.

  • Guest

    Those Heartland Institute billboards didn’t offend me, but they were so stupid my jaw dropped. By their logic, I should put up a billboard with Charles Manson’s face on it with, “I still believe in God. Do you?” and it would make just as much sense. (I’m kinda assuming Manson professes to believe in God; if not, insert another crazed murderer).

  • Lori

    I thought the same thing. I assume that the folks at Heartland are counting on the opposition having more decency than they do. That’s a good bet, based both on past performance and the fact that it’s difficult to have less common decency than the Heartland Institute.

  • glendanowakowsk

    Thanks!

  • AnonymousSam

    I just wish the billboards had one of Hitler, so they could be added to the HitlerAteSugar trope page.

  • GettoPhilosopher

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

    “The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6] ”

    For comparison, 118,000 accidental deaths in the US each year, 37,000 suicides per year (
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm), 42,636 deaths due to car accidents (
    http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html), 443,000 deaths due to tobacco use per year (
    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/), and ~75,000 deaths due to alcohol, including 35,000 from liver disease and 41,000 due to accidents and such (
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.T6cPMutYuSo).

    Somehow, I don’t think gun ownership in the problem. 

  • GettoPhilosopher

    Oops, link formatting got screwed by the link shortening. You’ll have to remove the closing parenthesis on each link.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    How do you go from more than 12,000 gun-related murders in a year (and, I’m inferring from the gaps, about 1,000 accidental deaths) to guns are not a problem?

    How many avoidable violent deaths do you need?


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