Chik-fil-A flustercluck link roundup

“I mean, it’s so unhealthy it’s probably killed more Southerners than crystal meth, Gen. Sherman, and illegal fireworks combined … but it’s undeniably tasty.”

“The folks at FRC lie about the LGBT community and they spread hatred. Not mere disagreement, but actual hatred.”

“Do all of my economic decisions ascribe to a morally perfect model? no. But when I know better, I try to do better, and in this case, I don’t agree with the company’s sponsorship and support of events and organizations I deem as actively campaigning against the rights of fellow human beings.”

It always disappoints me when Christians come out in the public forum against an entire group of people.”

Will the company stop donating to groups that are actively opposing gay-marriage laws, and controversial ‘gay-curing’ groups such as Exodus International?”

“As someone who was in reparative therapy for several years, I know firsthand that it is an extremely damaging and dangerous approach to how the church has ‘dealt with’ it’s LGBT members, and I won’t knowingly allow my money to fund such programs.”

“There are more than 1100 federal benefits denied to same-sex couples. That’s a real injustice.”

“The problem, in a nutshell, is this: I can’t figure out how to disentangle myself from injustice.”

“Last week I received [an email] asking me to pray for Chick-fil-A and their crusade against gay marriage. WHAT!?!! I thought we were helping the impoverished with toothpaste, medical care, and stuffed teddy bears!”

“Moreno would surely object to Cathy’s views, and argue that Cathy’s (and his company’s) support for anti-same-sex marriage groups has harmed LGBT people, including those in his district. In my judgment, Moreno is entirely correct about this. By fighting to keep bans on same-sex marriage intact in most states, and successfully repealing same-sex marriage rights in California, Cathy and his allies have inflicted real harm on millions of Americans. But this doesn’t mean that Cathy doesn’t have the right to express his views.”

What people really mean by ‘I support the traditional family’ is that they oppose same-sex marriage. The unfortunate (and, I hope, unintended) implication is that people who support marriage for same-sex couples somehow don’t support heterosexual marriage and families.”

(Sadly, Justin, that’s not at all unintended.)

“When I read what seemed to be a heartfelt letter from the owner of the Chicago restaurant, I felt bad for the owners, until I learned that it was a form letter.”

“The Jim Henson Company, which currently offers toys in Chick-fil-A kids’ meals, announced that it will no longer partner with the fast food chain on any future endeavors because of its anti-gay policies.”

“A rep at the Consumer Product Safety Commission told me that the agency has no record of any recall related to these toys.”

Because lying is a Christian value.”

“If the Muppets are on the opposite side of a political or social issue from you, do not argue with them. It will only end in tears.”

“Instead of owning up to the fact that The Jim Henson Company stopped doing business with them because they’re overrun with bigots, the chicken sandwich company is making fake Facebook accounts to defend its honor on the social network.”

“In the thread on Chick-fil-A’s Facebook page, a commenter named ‘Abby Farle,’ who had a stock photo of a teenage girl as her picture, posted a couple times in defense of the chicken chain.”

“Of course, just because the image is a stock photo doesn’t necessarily mean the company is behind the bogus account. It could be an employee, an outside vendor — or just someone who feels really strongly about chicken sandwiches.”

“Seriously, the complete idiocy of right-wing Christians is breathtaking.”

“Of course, both Liberty Counsel and the Family Research Council had organized and endorsed similar pressure campaigns against corporations in the past, but apparently those didn’t constitute ‘economic terrorism.’”

  • SMQ

    Any particulat reason you left out Rachel Held Evans’ not-unexpected call for less rhetoric and more understanding all around?

    http://rachelheldevans.com/chick-fil-a

  • http://formerconservative.wordpress.com/ Formerconservative

    Thanks for the link!  :D

  • http://twitter.com/mcclure111 mcc

    SMQ: I think this is pretty lousy post and not worth linking. Rachel also closed comments on it, so I guess I’ll have to post my criticisms of her post here.

    “But I beg you to please remember that not all Christians who speak out against gay marriage are bigots or homophobes”

    If you speak out against gay marriage you are a bigot and a homophobe. Period. Either you believe that LGBTs are people who deserve the same rights and government privileges you do; or you don’t. I have no patience for people trying to rebrand their bigotry by suggesting, oh, I don’t *hate* you, I just want the government to treat you as lesser than it treats me.

    “Many of the people I love most in my life fall into this “camp,” and most of them mean it when they say that they sincerely love their friends and relatives in the LGBT community”

    Someone who would say this doesn’t know what love means, and their love is not worth anything. I’d rather be hated by someone who’ll allow me to live than loved by someone who “loves” me by trying to control me.

    “I am distressed by plans floating around the internet that encourage folks to… show up to restaurants in drag”

    I think if Chik-Fil-A would treat drag as threatening or disruptive they have bigger problems than the marriage thing. Some of us just dress this way, hon.

    “In short, we can choose not to patronize Chick-fil-A  without 1) calling those who support Chick-fil-A bigots and homophobes”

    Those who support Chik-fil-a are bigots and homophobes. I realize that it’s often counter-productive from a PR perspective to actually *refer* to bigots and homophobes *as* bigots and homophobes, but that doesn’t make it not true. That just means that we live in a society where telling the truth is sometimes considered “shrill”.

    I’m sure Rachel is in a difficult position here what with having all these friends and loved ones who are bigots and homophobes, and some of her points about counterproductive means of protest are correct. But that aside, she’s trying to defend the indefensible here. Sometimes there aren’t two sides of an issue. Chik-fil-a doesn’t deserve our understanding or consideration. They are a corporation that runs fast food restaurants. They can take care of themselves. If they choose to funnel profits toward taking away rights from people who might someday be their customers, they should expect to live with the consequences.

    Alas, I cannot boycott Chik-Fil-A myself. I ate there once, in 2001 I believe, and ate some waffle fries, so I wasn’t really a customer to start with. Google Maps claims the nearest Chik-Fil-A is a two hour drive away from me, which is a long way to drive to not eat a chicken sandwich.

  • Natalie

    I will boycott Chick-Fil-A as soon as the Slacktivist learns to spell it!  :-D

  • Wingedwyrm

    I just want to note that the words “I support traditional marriage,” even when assuming that the last couple hundred years of marriage being something entirely voluntary by both parties and not being a financial transaction of their parents is “traditional”, shouldn’t necessarily mean that one opposes same sex marraige.

    But, for some reason, it does.  It allows them a thin veil of pretention to a claim that they’re acting in support of…. well, in support of something.  But, the words “I support traditional marriage” have, to my memory, never been stated in relation to such views as “I believe the state should provide services to marriages such as funding of counsiling” or “I believe the that laws should require employers to make concessions to employees for family needs such sitting down at the dinner table together or being able to go to all applicable little league games.”  They always come with the context of “I support laws that oppose the view that gay people are people, and I usually have some religious support of this that indicates I have no concept of what country I’m really in.”

    Let me be clear.  I support traditional marriage.  And, I support a number of non-traditional marriages, including same-sex marriage.  I can do both of these at the same time because supporting one does not mean opposing the other.

    I’m just tired of right wing pundits, businesses, and people getting away with that particular BS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NR2MMC4EJXJWJMLH6IF457XL64 Alex B

    I wonder why Fred would disagree with that post…

  • Paul Durant

    That Paul Bibeau article is… it’s pretty terrible. The entire thing is about how Truett Cathy can’t claim Biblical backing because he doesn’t keep kosher. 

    You’ve got to be trying pretty hard to be inept to go against a homophobe claiming the Bible commands him to hate gays, and somehow still come up with an argument that’s completely wrong.

  • MikeJ

    Should you eat at Chick-Fil-A ?  Matthew 6:21 explains why I won’t, and also why explains Cayman Island bank accounts.

    “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

  • JonathanPelikan

    THIS.

  • Paul Durant

    By “support” do you mean “publically back and agree with the comments of,” or do you mean “continue to give business to”?

  • AnonymousSam

    Kind of like how “pro-life” usually includes “even if it kills you and the baby!”

    Because despite defining themselves by what they’re against, they always phrase themselves as being in support of something, no matter how absurd or hypocritical it becomes.

    Related additional reading: The People’s Republic of Tyranny.

  • Tonio

    I have no patience for people trying to rebrand their bigotry by suggesting, oh, I don’t *hate* you, I just want the government to treat you as lesser than it treats me.

    Me neither. Intentions and motives don’t matter here. It’s the treatment that matters. The people being discriminated against are receiving hate even if the people doing the discriminating don’t see this as hate.

  • Rissa

    Thank you. Yes. Exactly.

    (I don’t even live in the US, so threats of a “boycott” on my part are pretty hollow too . . . but when I travel south of the border to visit my fiancee, I think I’d prefer to dine somewhere we can be reasonably sure we won’t get the stinkeye from all the Fine Christian Patrons just because we’re holding hands)

  • ChrisBurkhardt

     Of course not supporting hate groups is important, but another angle to this whole thing that intrigues me is that the Dan Cathy (and those who share his view) thinks there is a “biblical definition of the family unit.”

    My thoughts on that:

    http://americancynic.net/log/2012/7/30/chick_fil_a_and_the_biblical_definition_of_the_family_unit.html

  • Tonio

     While your deconstruction is excellent, the real issue there is is that Cathy wants to enshrine into secular law a sectarian definition of the family. Fred correctly labeled this concept as theocracy a couple of years ago.

  • http://www.mjkimpan.com/ michael j. kimpan

    i am absolutely IN LOVE with the post title.  flustercluck?!?! gosh, i wish i would’ve thought of that… well done.  here are some additional thoughts on the conversation, posted at RELEVANT today :: http://www.relevantmagazine.com/current/op-ed/being-holy-age-being-right

  • Jessica_R

    Bingo, just because you’ll quietly walk into a polling booth to take someone’s civil rights away and wouldn’t dream of protesting a funeral doesn’t make you not a homophobe or a bigot, it just makes you a cowardly one. 

    And one more for the round up, can’t forget Chaz, http://teamcoco.com/video/highlight-07/26/12

  • Victor Savard

    In my judgment, Moreno is entirely correct about this and I’m almost sure that you Jeff believe that lying is not a Christian value and/or at least that it will only jirmanite and eventually lead to an evil backward existance.

    WHAT ARE YA TALKING ABOUT VICTOR?

    Go ahead and yell at me sinner vic Butt “I” beg you to please remember that not all Christians who speak out against gay marriage are bigots or homophobes”!

    Victor! Victor! Victor! I guess salvage is right when he says in many, many words that your so called non-existing “Jesus” is to blame for all that hails U>S (usual sinners)” :( http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/2012/07/mass-roulette/#comments

    LISTEN sinner vic! You’re making “IT” almost imposible for me to defend myself here without starting a 3rd blog sometime in September and you know that if  “I” do “I” then would become “The HIT” man and not only the “IT” man as “I” am known NOW! Between you who say you are a god and  you believe that I’ve been dead since 1991 because all of my brain cells back then pre-mentally planned to take my life and because of that you also say that you own about 92% of my flesh cells butt don’t forget that you agreed with me that “I” own 7% of these so called “Jesus Cells” because He saved me on “The Third Day of that week! My question to you sinner vic is that who owns the other 1% reality spiritual cells cause in the real world everything must equal to 100% pure truth! Right folks?

    WHY DON’T ASK YOUR “JESUS’ CELL” and by the way Victor they are lying if they, “I” mean if this  “Jesus” of old says that your cells are our slave just like in the days of old! Please remember Victor that we are your gods and as long as you listen to U>S you will have nothing to fear! Do you hear what “I” say?

    In closing without writing a book, listen sinner vic, I heard of Fred Clark during my first blog and during my second blog and me, myself and i still don’t know what is truly in his heart of heart butt if “I” had to guess “I” would say that for what “IT” is worth,  he’s trying to be a nice guy and as most people know nice guys finish last just like “Jesus”!

    I hear ya sinner vic! “JESUS CHRIST” WHO AND WHAT YA TALKING ABOUT NOW? :)

    Peace

  • Paul Durant

    I… you…
    What?

  • Lori

     

    Bingo, just because you’ll quietly walk into a polling booth to take
    someone’s civil rights away and wouldn’t dream of protesting a funeral
    doesn’t make you not a homophobe or a bigot, it just makes you a
    cowardly one. 

    Either that or “nice”. And as we’ve discussed many times, nice is different from good. It seems that Rachel Held Evans has fallen into the trap of believing that they’re the same thing, or at least closely related. That’s easy to do. I too know and love many people who are “nice” bigots and homophobes and it’s pretty awful. The fact that I experience a some real pain over the fact that I genuinely love people who have horrible beliefs doesn’t change the fact that those folks are indeed bigots and homophobes though.

  • Beleester

    Victor made a similar post a while back.  Same stuff about “sinner vic” and how some of his cells are sinful and capitalizing “I” and “IT”.  I’ve never seen him argue with “sinner vic” before, though.  It’s a little worrying.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    OT: Just read that Gore Vidal died :(

    Here’s hoping for a post on favourite Vidal quotes.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I am completely and 100% against traditional marriage. Traditional marriage is based on women not being human beings with actual rights. Only in the latter half of the 20th century has marriage even in the U.S. not included the right of a man to rape his wife. 

    I am for companionate marriage. Not traditional. I don’t think same-sex marriage will destroy traditional marriage, and I am quite sad about that.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Re: Rachel Held Evans –

    I have stopped talking to a whole lot of people in the past couple of years. I finally realized that just because they were my father’s friends, that didn’t mean they had to be my friends. Not even on Facebook. And just because I went to high school with them, that doesn’t mean I need to continue to pretend to listen to anything they say. And just because they’re related to me, that doesn’t mean I can’t delete their comments.

    It’s a wonderful freedom. I don’t recommend it to everyone — I’m not terribly social and I’m most happy having one best friend and a couple close friends and a couple cats. What I’m saying is: if you’re an independent adult, you don’t actually have to be friends with bigots and assholes. It’s a choice you’re making. I won’t judge that choice until you start trying to blow smoke about how those bigots and assholes are actually nice people and I should be nice to them.

    No. You tell yourself whatever you need to to make peace with yourself. But I’m not gonna play along with the lies.

  • AnonymousSam

    Don’t worry, that’s the expected response to any post of Victor’s. It has a kind of logic you can appreciate if you can isolate the patterns of his writing style, but sometimes it’s easier just to say “kk thx vic.”

  • Wingedwyrm

    I think Victor thinks he’s engaging in some kind of deep philosophical performance art regarding the nature of sin and the human race that makes some deep philosophical impact.

    Really, he’s being a spastic jerk.

    Victor, if you’re reading this, your little one-man-show isn’t working and if you insist upon it, actually write out the one-man-show so people who go to see it willingly are going to be the people who want to induge the idea.

  • Rhubarbarian82

    Victor! Victor! Victor! I guess salvage is right ….

    Dan Salvage, the gayest Autobot.*

    *Hmmm, Salvage is actually an Autobot. Can’t find out if he runs a Cybertronian sex advice column, though.

  • Tonio

    I would be curious to know how many SSM opponents are defining “traditional” as simply opposite-gender, and how many define it with husband and wife being hierarchical roles instead of simply gender-specific names. I’ve long noticed a strong correlation between opposition to homosexuality and belief in hierarchical gender roles.

  • Rowen

     “nice is different from good”

    I have no idea if this is just a coincidence, but Little Red Riding Hood says this in Into the Woods, which I will be lining up for tonight to get tickets to in Central Park tomorrow.

    Just saying.

  • Isabel C.

    Lord.

    Between the “even bigots can be kindly to their mothers” brigade* and the ReaderCon “but we shouldn’t have to ban a harasser for life if he’s weally weally sowwy about it guys” dipshittery, I kind of want to make everyone write “nice is different than good” on the damn blackboard a hundred times. 

    *Thank you, G&S. Someone needs to filk that one completely. 

  • Kiba

    It’s a wonderful freedom. I don’t recommend it to everyone — I’m not terribly social and I’m most happy having one best friend and a couple close friends and a couple cats. What I’m saying is: if you’re an independent adult, you don’t actually have to be friends with bigots and assholes. It’s a choice you’re making. I won’t judge that choice until you start trying to blow smoke about how those bigots and assholes are actually nice people and I should be nice to them.

    This. So much this.

  • Lori

    I was thinking of ITW and I’m a little jealous of you for getting to see it in Central Park. I hope the performance is wonderful and you have a great time.

  • Lori

     

    I’m not terribly social and I’m most happy having one best friend and a couple close friends and a couple cats.  

    I’m this way too, except that I’m horribly allergic to cats and would rather have a dog.

    My problem is that the nice bigots I’m related to are my parents, siblings and nephews and niece. The only way out of dealing with nice bigots is to cut off literally my entire family, which for other reasons I don’t think is the right thing to do. I don’t know about RHE, but I know plenty of other people who are in the same position and it thoroughly sucks. (Which doesn’t excuse pretending that they’re not bigots & homophobes because they are.)

    I’m not going to lie—I look at people whose families aren’t wall-to-wall nice bigots with more than a little jealousy. If my family members were mean bigots I would feel no real compunction about walking away. If they weren’t bigots at all family dinners would be about 1000% more enjoyable. The mushy middle is not a fun place to be.

  • http://twitter.com/BillHiers Bill Hiers

    This is a crying shame, as I love Chik-Fil-A foods and I and my mother have eaten at their restaurants for years. No longer, though. Not until they change their ways. Once, I did eat a Chik-Fil-A after learning this, and the people were very polite…  but the entire time I had this queasy feeling that if they knew I’d been bisexual they might have refused to serve me. So, we won’t be eating at their restaurants any longer. Do Bojangles’ and Sonic regularly give to anti-gay campaigns…?

  • EllieMurasaki

    the ReaderCon “but we shouldn’t have to ban a harasser for life if he’s weally weally sowwy about it guys” dipshittery

    From several people’s comments, I gather that whoever wrote the Readercon sexual harassment policy expected to use it precisely once, to ban someone known to the various cons in the area as a sexual harasser and all-around nuisance, whom they wanted to preemptively ban but couldn’t because he’d threatened to sue anyone who did. That person tripped the policy in 2008, and nobody figured it would ever come up again, ever, especially not when the sexual harasser in question was not only not a nuisance but well-known and well-liked by the community of which he seems to be a productive member. The weally-weally-sowwy bit is the smokescreen; they figure it’ll get them in less trouble with the community than admitting they don’t want to ban him because they like him.

    Both the weally-weally-sowwy bit and the because-we-like-him bit are going over like a lead balloon, as one can imagine.

  • Isabel C.

    Ugh, yes.

    Plus, all of the manifestations of That Guy have now come out of the woodwork. There’s a lot of guys who seem to be yarking about the zero-tolerance policy because they might have to OH THE HORROR think before hitting on women. And one guy saying that Mister Creepy should be excused because it’s all down to cultural differences because…he’s Canadian. I don’t even. 

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I don’t think you’re wrong at all to keep contact with your family. You’re neither lying to yourself nor, most importantly, to others. 

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Can I ban him from my country? Pretty please?

  • Lori

    Not if it means we have to keep him. We already erred mightily by giving citizenship to formerly Australian asshat extraordinaire Rupert Murdoch, we’re not taking Canada’s That Guy too. We have far too many problems of our own. Exhibit A: There were apparently multiple mall locations of CFA where extra security was needed to control the huge crowd of hateful bigots who turned up to support The Lord by purchasing chicken from a fellow bigot. So, you don’t have to keep That Guy, but he can’t stay here.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Are people really converging onto CFA to buy chicken sandwiches to support some bigoted asshat’s blatherings? Good grief!

    I hope KFC is taking advantage of this to try and draw non-bigoted customers, because I will happily visit the nearest one! :D

  • Lori

    Yup, apparently they really are. I actually had to do the drive-thru food thing today and I deliberately got chicken from McDonald’s. Because I’m sort snippy like that.

  • http://twitter.com/mcclure111 mcc
  • Isabel C.

    What Lori said–and hee! for the Closing Time riff, Lori. Could we put That Guy on the Government Intervention Free Libertarian Island? I mean, so many of his manifestations are libertarian already… 

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Well, I’d happily send That Canadian Guy to Libertarian-Land :P

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Are people really converging onto CFA to buy chicken sandwiches to support some bigoted asshat’s blatherings?

    It’s probably an excellent way for closeted people to meet each other and make plans for shame-filled feverish sex in public restrooms.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    … paging Larry Craig, to the nearest Chik-fil-A, stat!


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