Chick-fil-A Flustercluck: The Day After

Chick-fil-A Flustercluck: The Day After August 2, 2012

“Had there been a Fox News back in 1960, I’m sure there would have been a Woolworth’s Lunch-counter Appreciation Day, too.”

“The people who organized boycotts of these bigots and the places they represented back then were similarly accused of ‘intolerance’ at the time.”

If Mike Huckabee had declared yesterday ‘Homeless Appreciation Day,’ would the response have been even half as large and loud?”

“It’s a systemic pattern of discrimination for a certain way of being a ‘family.'”

“Please stop redefining Christianity as a superficial cultural tribe that self-identifies through its particular tastes in facial hair, ‘relevant’ fashion, political stances, and the culture war loyalty test of the week.”

Bullying low-wage workers is never cool.

“‘I call it hater appreciation day,’ said Andrew, who asked that his last name be withheld out of fear he’d be fired. ‘It’s very, very depressing.'”

“Realize that behind this debate are real people — kids like the girl in Kentucky who fear for their safety, women like Sally Ride’s widow who are denied their spouse’s Social Security benefits.”

“Yes, Jane would know what you thought of her, and Jane would be right.”

To fear the anger and resentment of your neighbors for being who you are is not the freedom that the American dream promises.”

“Supporting the treatment of gays and lesbians as criminals is not compatible with being a free country with protection of freedom of speech, any more than slavery or segregation were.”

“One of the cases involved Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, who sued the company in 2002 because he was fired a day after refusing to participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program. Latif is a Muslim.”

A dog whistle-y way to say ‘God Hates Fags,’ topped with two pickles and served on a bun.”

Wayne Self: This isn’t about mutual tolerance because there’s nothing mutual about it.”

If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don’t. There is no “live and let live” on this issue because Dan Cathy is spending millions to very specifically not let me live. I’m not trying to do that to him.

Asking for “mutual tolerance” on this like running up to a bully beating a kid to death on the playground and scolding them both for not getting along. I’m not trying to dissolve Mr. Cathy’s marriage or make his sex illegal. I’m not trying to make him a second-class citizen, or get him killed. He’s doing that to me, folks; I’m just fighting back.

All your life, you’re told to stand up to bullies, but when we do it, we’re told we are the ones being intolerant? Well, okay. Yes. I refuse to tolerate getting my ass kicked. “Guilty as charged.”

But what are you guilty of? When you see a bully beating up a smaller kid and you don’t take a side, then you are taking a side. You’re siding with the bully. And when you cheer him on, you’re revealing something about your own character that really is a shame.

Dallas Stevens: I was undone

As I spoke, I became overwhelmed and started to cry.

To my surprise, a woman who wore a “gay” American flag came to me and hugged me as to comfort me.

I was undone.

Here I was trying to show kindness, and it was being shown to me.

Although she had no idea that I am not a big hugger unless I know you and we are very close…

Either way, it set my heart on fire.

I still do not know how to process this.

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  • EllieMurasaki

    I feel so sorry for the kids of anti-gay parents.

    Some of those kids, after all, are gay.

  • SherryLevine

     “Being  a bigot is neither decent, fundamental nor a value.”

    That’s why we hope someday you won’t be such a bigot.

  • SherryLevine

      “You and your ilk are fighting to make the lives of millions of people worse.”

    My, no end to your hatred and bigotry.

  • Rowen

     Done well, ITW is one of my favorites.

    Well, unfortunately, this wasn’t a time it was done well. Certain people were great (Donna Murphy and Red Riding Hood), certain people were miscast (Amy Adams was the Baker’s Wife. . .), and certain people were AWFUL (Dennis O’Hare was flat out unwatchable/unlistenable). A lot of the choices were weird, too. The actors kept getting caught in the staging (for example, during It Takes Two, the actors were on opposite sides of the stage, the whole time). And they made Red REALLY young, and made the Wolf look like Tom Cruise in Rock of Ages, not a wolf, so that Hello, Little Girl got REALLY uncomfortable.

    Oh, they also changed the narrarator to be a little boy, whom we find out is the Baker’s son at age 10-12 ish. Interesting concept, but didn’t work.

    I did have a good time, though.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Sherry, how about you look my bisexual female self in the eye and tell me what I have done wrong that means I deserve to not get to marry the woman I love.

  • SherryLevine

     Fearless – what I am stressing here is that a society that is full of people who are violent and are engaging in harmful, destructive behaviors does not have any idea of what human rights are. That’s the liberal society we have.

    Liberals hate diversity, they hate tolerance, they hate a market place of ideas. We get that. Everyone who does not think like you, you will smear and try to violate their rights.

    You can go back to your “conservatives are evil and liberals are angels” narrative now.

  • The Guest That Posts

    You know, Sherry Levine doesn’t believe anything s/he says about gay and bisexual people.

    I realise this is quite a claim, and not one I would make lightly; I tend to assume that people are honest in their convictions, even those convictions I don’t agree with. But from the way Sherry keeps moving the goalposts, posting made-up claims about the crime rate in the QUILTBAG community, and flat out failing to understand the responses of other posters, my only conclusion is this: Sherry’s only purpose in this conversation is to rile us up. S/he couldn’t care less about QUILTBAG people, abusing them is just a convenient stick to poke us with.

    Troll.

  • SherryLevine

    “You seem awfully confident that Lori is a hate-filled hater with nothing better to do but hate.”

    You think the fact she goes calling social conservatives haters could be a clue?

    It seems that anyone who disagrees with Lori about anything she calls a hater. That’s not “love,” that’s not tolerance.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Since you are clearly the only person on the board who knows what human rights are, EDUCATE US.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Yes, because I should absolutely be nothing but kind and considerate to people who are actively hurting me.

  • SherryLevine

     “The Family Research Council lobbied against letting Congress say that the execution of gays in Uganda is a bad thing.”

    I suppose that is technically not a crime. But it is sure as hell not a good thing to do.
    ========
    Obviously, you prefer the people with a homosexual agenda who spread HIV and syphilis, the homosexual child abusers, murderers, sexual harassers, etc. 

    “And you are still not naming any names of these horrendously criminal gay and bi people.”

    We know what that means: there aren’t any homosexuals or bisexuals who ever commit crimes.  My, your clever!

    “Or acknowledging that the roughly equal percentages of criminal queer
    people and criminal straight people works out to a great many more
    criminal straight people than criminal queer people.”

    You’ve got me confused. In your sane mind, if I don’t name any homosexual criminals here, it means they don’t exist? Or are you now acknowledging that they exist?

    So, there are millions of homosexual and bisexual criminals.  The FRC people have committed no crime.

    Who do you hate? The FRC.

    People with a homosexual agenda have the most corrupt agenda ever.

  • SherryLevine

     I feel sorry for the kids of people who have a homosexuality agenda, aside from the porn, the promiscuity, etc.

    They are going to grow up with the most damaged values, encouraging them to be dysfunctional in more ways than one.

  • EllieMurasaki

    What have the gay people in Uganda collectively done wrong that every single one of them deserves to die? Because the Family Research Council is trying to arrange it so that every gay person in Uganda gets killed for being gay.

    I know damn well gay and bi criminals exist. You do not know of any gay and bi criminals (I know this because you have named none), which rather undercuts your argument that all gay and bi people are criminals.

  • EllieMurasaki

    So I teach my kids (of whatever sexuality) not to hate anyone including themselves under any circumstances, and my anti-gay neighbors teach their kids to hate gay people which has the direct consequence of my anti-gay neighbors’ gay kids hating themselves, and I’m the bad parent here?

  •  I’ll let you know as soon as I find out. Right now, he’s only confirmed for a role somewhere in Season 7.

  • SherryLevine

    I have expressed my criticisms, which are very robust, against the hypocrisy and corrupt values I see on this blog. I don’t get involved in personal insults and flame wars.

    I will attack ideas and ideologies, I will criticize you if you align yourself  ideologically with horrible people. If you want to try to make it personal, I’ll pass.
     

  • EllieMurasaki

    You are saying that all gay and bi people are horrible people. I am a bi person. I want to know what I have done that makes me a horrible person.

  •  I don’t get involved in personal insults and flame wars.

    Thanks for that, things were getting tense and I needed a good laugh. And since you are apparently now stuck in a loop of repeatedly replying to my first comment (four times so far!), I shall say “Goodbye”.

  • No-one

    SherryLevine, please answer me something because I am very curious.

    Is it God’s Hate that is infinite & greater, or is it God’s Love?

  • I thought Greenwood did fine, though I am of the opinion that Conroy should always do the voice of Batman anyway.

    Certainly better than whatever Baldwin it ws that did his voice in Crisis on Two Earths.

    I also think that Bruce Greenwood has sort of grown into the role a bit more as he continues to provide the voice on Young Justice.  In fact, his is pretty much the only voice work I have no complaints about on YJ.

    Unrelated question:  Has anyone else noticed that there’s a considerable lag between typing and letters in the commen field when you reply to a comment?  I also see it completely ignore keystrokes.  (I just had to hit “r” four times to get it to stop saying “ignoe,” for example.)

  • Sherry needs to get a few hobbies.   We should take up a collection and buy her an Xbox.

  • ako

    44!  Sherry is really raising funds for marriage equality today!

  • When I read Batman comics, I hear Conroy and Mark Hamill in my head.

    Also I never really liked the Penguin as a villain that much, but everything about the Arkham City version of the Penguin is awesome and scary:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NikGSAU5VwA 

    I like that he has a beer bottle stuck in his eye instead of a monocle.

  •  Indeed, especially given that the majority of her responses are nothing but “I know you are, but what am I?”

    Which indicates to me that she is either a troll or a second-grader.

  •  

    I thought Greenwood did fine, though I am of the opinion that Conroy should always do the voice of Batman anyway.

    It’s probably a sign of my generation that most DC characters sound like their DCAU voice actors in my head. (Especially Kevin Conroy’s Batman, Mark Hamill’s Joker, Dana Delaney’s Lois Lane, and Clancy Brown’s Lex Luthor.)

    I know I’m far from the only one – Gail Simone has stated that Black Canary sounds like Morena Baccarin in her head because of JLU.

  • Lori

     Oh ewwwww.

    I know that kind of thing always happens and that it’s not new, and yet it never fails to completely gross me out. What is wrong with those people? And I mean that literally. Something is seriously off with those folks and all their felon-obsessed kindred and my inner psych major is interested in their pathology.

  • Lori

     

    Admittedly, it’s clever like a gadget to automatically reward my dog for chewing on table legs is.  

    Isn’t it more clever like a gadget to make your dog think he’s being rewarded for chewing on table legs, which he loves but you hate because it wrecks your table, when he’s actually just messing with that chunk of old rawhide that you’re fine with him chewing to bits because giving the dog something to chew is its purpose?

  • Lori

     

    Well, unfortunately, this wasn’t a time it was done well. 

    Oh, bummer.

     

    Amy Adams was the Baker’s Wife. . .)

    [eyebrows way up]

     

    And they made Red REALLY young, and made the Wolf look like Tom Cruise
    in Rock of Ages, not a wolf, so that Hello, Little Girl got REALLY
    uncomfortable.  

    Oh my. Someone really should have noticed that that wasn’t a good idea before they made it to opening night.

    There are ways to do interesting things with the sex that bubble just under the surface of so many fairy tales. That was not a good way.

    I did have a good time, though. 

    I’m glad. (And still a little envious of your celebrity spotting.)

  • Lori

    You think the fact she goes calling social conservatives haters could be a clue? 

    At least I’m not running around the internet saying that “social conservatives” are pedophiles (although some of them are) and that they commit horrible crimes and get away with it because they’re members of the right group (although some of them definitely do).

  • Yeah, I’m never sure about this.

    Maybe they really do believe that those of us who aren’t heterosexual are differentially evil. I mean, it’s clear that they’ve declared us their enemy, and believing our enemies evil is easy. Lots of people do that.

    Maybe they do believe that blogs like this one, which promote the idea that sexuality is orthogonal to sin, are therefore evil in turn. “The friend of my enemy is my enemy” is pretty standard thinking; hell, even non-human animals are capable of it.

    And maybe they believe that their task is to oppose the enemy, rather than to understand us or engage with us as people. To confound our strategems and poison our wells, to make us spend our energy on battling them rather than pursuing our own agendas, to make our experience so unpleasant that we lose our will. Again, that’s pretty common; I have plenty of allies who have basically this attitude.

    I dunno.

    And ultimately it doesn’t really matter to me.

    I don’t need to know what’s in their hearts to make decisions about what effects they’re having. I judge their net effect negative: their own comments are at best unhelpful and more often hurtful, and the combative tone they inspire in others is not something I value.

    Ultimately, what actually matters to me is they make this space worse by their presence. Whether they do so out of a sincere belief that I and those like me are an enemy who deserves such treatment, or simply out of the same urge that causes cruel children to toss rocks at leashed dogs, I don’t really know… but I’m not sure it matters.

  •  

    they also changed the narrator to be a little boy, whom we find out is the Baker’s son at age 10-12 ish

    That’s a cool idea, and I wish the script supported it.

  • Changing the narrator to be the Baker’s son at age 10-12ish makes no sense given the events of the second act, where he starts interacting with the narrative and is affected by it.

  • Isn’t it more clever like a gadget to make your dog think he’s being rewarded for chewing on table legs

    I can see where it might be, if I valued watching trolls argue.

    But I don’t.

    So without some way of protecting myself from it (e.g., comment filtering), it would make the space more unpleasant for me. And insofar as trolls find argument rewarding, it would encourage still more of the behavior I find unpleasant.

    Of course, I understand that some people do value that sort of thing. Which I’m not in any way objecting to, I’m just saying it’s just not my cup of tea personally.

    But for them, sure, using such an automated argument-with-troll generator might be analogous to training my dog (who is, incidentally, female) to chew on innocuous rawhide rather than damaging a table I value.

  • PJ Evans

     Hse must have mirrors on all hir walls with window frames around them, so hse never sees reality.

  • Lori

     

    I can see where it might be, if I valued watching trolls argue.  

    But one of the features was that the rest of us wouldn’t have to see the posts because they’d be filtered out of the main thread. I think that was one of the major points of the idea. The ap keeps the troll busy and away from the rest of us so that we can continue to have conversation that doesn’t include trolls.

    The closest real world equivalent is a the block that Disqus refuses to implement as an option, but even that only keeps you from seeing the posts of the user you’ve blocked. It doesn’t keep you from seeing all the responses to those posts and it doesn’t do much to stop thread derails. Having an ap to basically keep the troll over in the corner so that the grown-ups can talk would actually be quite nice.

  • AnonymousSam

    Are you anursa’s little sister? Sorry, I just got deja vu from the “politically neutral, therefore everyone is exactly the same” trolling stance there. It doesn’t work very well when people here are not particularly enamored toward Democrats and merely view them as the current lesser of two evils. I’ve spent the better part of my life pointing out how the two party system more often results in people voting against, rather than for.

    It wasn’t actually that long ago that Democrats and Republicans tended to switch roles on a regular basis. After passing the laws which screwed up our medical system, Richard Nixon–yes, Watergate Richard Nixon, Republican criminal Richard Nixon–had an idea for a medical system which would entail the government providing insurance to the poor, the middle class purchase it through employers, and the government ensuring that the newly formed HMOs couldn’t abuse the system. Sound familiar? That’s because Mitt Romney, also a Republican, created this system in Massachusetts. What, you thought I was going to say Obama did it? He was only the most recent.

    It’s only been in recent years that the Republican party has started to go off the deep end, from trying to make transvaginal ultrasounds mandatory (and silencing medical experts who interjected that they could perform external ultrasounds to the same effect, meaning they wanted it because it was transvaginal, which is why calling it government-mandated rape really was quite accurate) to the most recent argument that dog fighting should remain legal because to pass a law against it would be treating animals better than humans, and as we all know, kidnapping and raping a 13 year old is fully legal.

    I’m willing to go with you on millions of homosexual and bisexual people having committed crimes if you acknowledge that billions of heterosexual people have committed crimes. If we’re going by sheer weight and number of crimes, the largest group is going to win hands down every time.

  •  

    one of the features was that the rest of us wouldn’t have to see the posts because they’d be filtered out of the main thread

    Ah! I guess I missed that part. In that case, sure… I’m all for it. Protects us, and presumably Fred gains from the increased traffic. Win-win.

  •  Yup.

  • ConservativeWhitebread

    Are we puppets, or is SherryLevine?  META.

  • Fearless – what I am stressing here is that a society that is full of people who are violent and are engaging in harmful, destructive behaviors does not have any idea of what human rights are. That’s the liberal society we have.

    Liberals hate diversity, they hate tolerance, they hate a market place of ideas. We get that. Everyone who does not think like you, you will smear and try to violate their rights.

    You can go back to your “conservatives are evil and liberals are angels” narrative now.

    That tells us some of what civil rights are not, but it does not tell us what civil rights actually are.  

    And where did I assert that “conservatives are evil and liberals are angels”?  You seem to be ascribing sentiment to me that I do not necessarily hold.  

    You asserted again that liberals do not know what civil rights are, which still leaves the question: what are civil rights?

  • PJ Evans

    I guess troll has gone back under hir bridge for a nap.

  • I miss Usenet clients – get one sophisticated enough and not only could you plonk someone, you could filter out any replies to them. And your client could keep track of read and unread posts, deeply nested replies never ended up 1 character wide because the programmer set a maximum screen width…

  • SherryLevine

    And where did I assert that “conservatives are evil and liberals are
    angels”?  You seem to be ascribing sentiment to me that I do not
    necessarily hold. 
    =========
    Perhaps, but it’s largely the sentiment that’s expressed in general on this blog and on  probably just about every other homosexual agenda blog.

    What one individual particular feels is not really important when millions of liberals are saying what I described above.

  • SherryLevine

    I’m curious too.

    Is calling decent people haters how you think you are smart?

  • SherryLevine

     No, you’re saying that. Lying about what other people think is not particularly a sign of intelligence.

  • SherryLevine

     Yes, because I should absolutely be nothing but kind and considerate to people who are actively hurting me.
    ======
    It’s what you ask of conservatives. No matter how destructive, dishonest, harmful and violent people with a homosexuality agenda are, which is part of a larger liberal agenda for sexuality and relationships, you want social conservatives to sit there and watch the harm and violence and say nothing but acquiesce. No one can decide for themselves, no one criticize your agenda, but you can smear and attack other people as much as you want.

  • SherryLevine

    Since you are completely ignorant on the issue, try reading about it and spout your little complaints if you have any.

  • SherryLevine

     “I’m willing to go with you on millions of homosexual and bisexual people having committed crimes if you acknowledge that billions
    of heterosexual people have committed crimes. If we’re going by sheer
    weight and number of crimes, the largest group is going to win hands
    down every time.”
    ============
    nice non sequitur – if you ever want to try responding to anything I said, feel free.

    The FRC has not committed crimes. You don’t go around hating all these millions of homosexuals and bisexuals, and many of the liberal criminals you don’t hate either. But the FRC, you hate.

    Why did Moreno, Lee, and Rahm wanted to kick out CFA out of town? Has the CFA  committed crimes? No. But there are plenty of homosexual and bisexual criminals and destructive individuals in all these cities, in every city. No one is kicking them out town.

    There’s just how hateful you are of decent people. Your homosexual agenda is corrupt to the core.

  • ako

    And that puts us at an even 50.