Right-wing Americans going Dutch with bigot loser in Netherlands

Geert Wilders is a loser. The right-wing Dutch politician’s anti-immigrant, anti-Islam platform flopped in national elections last week in the Netherlands.

But if Wilders is unpopular at home, he’s popular here in the U.S. with our own far-right whackaloons. Reuters’ Anthony Deutsch and Mark Hosenball report:

Groups in America seeking to counter Islamic influence in the West say they funded police protection and paid legal costs for Wilders. …

Wilders’ ideas — calling for a halt to non-Western immigration and bans on Muslim headscarfs and the construction of mosques — have struck a chord in mainstream politics beyond the Netherlands. …

The Middle East Forum, a pro-Israeli think tank based in Philadelphia, funded Wilders’ legal defense in 2010 and 2011 against Dutch charges of inciting racial hatred, its director Daniel Pipes said.

… David Horowitz, who runs a network of Los Angeles-based conservative groups and a website called FrontPage magazine, said he paid Wilders fees for making two speeches, security costs during student protests and overnight accommodation for his Dutch bodyguards during a 2009 U.S. trip.

Horowitz said he paid Wilders for one speech in Los Angeles and one at Temple University in Philadelphia. He declined to specify the amounts, but said that Wilders had received “a good fee.”

Horowitz and Pipes have a lot in common. They’re both dishonest, inflammatory anti-Muslim bigots willing to say or to pretend to believe anything for their cause. And they both get lots of funding from the Bradley Foundation, where National Organization for Marriage-founder Robert George and fellow alleged intellectual George Will serve on the board of directors.

Oh, speaking of Horowitz — a big thank you to the passive-aggressive benefactor who sent me an Amazon gift credit for his latest book. I used it to purchase Peter Enns’ The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible Does and Doesn’t Say About Human Origins.

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Peter LaBarbera of the anti-gay group Americans for Truth About Homosexuality is, unsurprisingly, not pleased with the new NBC sitcom, The New Normal, which features a gay couple. He asks, “When is Hollywood ever going to have a healthy, contented ex-gay in a movie or a TV show?”

Apparently, LaBarbera has never watched Good News Today, where Burton Quim, founder of ex-gay ministry Overcome, is a regular guest.

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On Thursday, Terry Mattingly of Get Religion defiantly insists that there is no evidence for the claim that white evangelical social conservatives exhibit racism.

On Friday, white evangelical social conservatives spoke for themselves:

Conservative pundit Gary Bauer, the former president of the Family Research Council, which puts on the Values Voter Summit each year, told the crowd at the 2012 conference Friday that it needs to turn out in great numbers to defeat President Obama’s army of welfare recipients and fraudulent votes.

After his speech, Bauer told TPM “voter fraud is rampant in urban areas” and he expected that to help Obama.

Bauer also told TPM that “there are a lot of people who will vote this November because they depend on government largesse,” meaning checks from Washington. He expects those voters to go Obama as well.

Gary Bauer just wants to protect white America from criminal urban welfare recipients. And besides, some of his best friends are Alan Keyes.

  • Jessica_R

    I think the reason we’ve yet to see a happy, well adjusted “ex-gay” on TV is for the same reason we’ve yet to see a zoo announce their new unicorn enclosure.  

  • Lori

    Oh, speaking of Horowitz — a big thank you to the passive-aggressive
    benefactor who sent me an Amazon gift credit for his latest book. I used
    it to purchase Peter Enns’ The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible Does and Doesn’t Say About Human Origins.  

    This is both appalling and hilarious.

    He asks, “When is Hollywood ever going to have a healthy, contented ex-gay in a movie or a TV show?” 

    I feel Porno Pete’s pain. It’s really tough to get good scifi on TV.  I’m still POed about the last-season-that-never-was of Farscape.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    “When is Hollywood ever going to have a healthy, contented ex-gay in a movie or a TV show?”

    Y’see, these folks just don’t appreciate what they’ve got when they’ve got it.

    For decades, movies and TV shows portrayed worlds in which everybody was straight, which as a statistical matter meant some of them had to be ex-gay. It just wasn’t mentioned. Invisible. Secret. Ashamed. Just like he likes it.

    It was awful.

    They had their epoch. Now it’s our turn.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    He wasn’t completely non-conflicted, and as imperfect as everyone else on the show, but Michael Jace’s character of Julien on “The Shield” was a sympathetic portrayal of a gay man whose evangelical beliefs made him suppress his homosexual urges.

    He struggles with his marriage to a woman from his church but is pretty much the most morally upright character on the show.  

  • Lori

     

    They had their epoch. Now it’s our turn.   

    It is amusing (in a not really funny kind of way) that Porno Pete talks as if he and his ilk have been waiting forever for a movie or TV show about an ex-gay. When will They finally show one? The term has only existed for a few decades and only became a widely known (totally fake) Thing a decade or so ago. There are plenty of groups who actually exist and have existed for way longer and still rarely, if ever, see themselves portrayed in movies or on TV. But oh, Porno Pete’s pet group is special. When, oh when, will Hollywood acknowledge the “ex-gays”?

    The day I read about ex-gays searching for carnations in movies just to validate their existence a tiny little bit then maybe I’ll be inclinged to listen to Pete’s whining. OK, probably not. Until then though I definitely don’t want to hear it.

    It’s also amusing in a not funny way how desperate Pete is for validation from Hollywood, considering what a den of iniquity he keeps telling everyone it is.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     

    It’s also amusing in a not funny way how desperate Pete is for
    validation from Hollywood, considering what a den of iniquity he keeps
    telling everyone it is.

    Well, you know how it is. If they can’t feel oppressed because of media representation, they might have to look at actual power differentials, and that doesn’t works even less well for the “straight people are under attack!” narrative.

    I mean, sure, the overwhelming majority of characters and relationships portrayed in the media are straight, but there’s an increasing attempt to represent the rest of us, which of course means straight people are losing the universal narrative-defining power they once had, which is kind of like being attacked.

    So media representation it is.

  • Jeff Weskamp

    Am I the only one who immediately thinks of the X-Men whenever I hear the term “ex-gay?”

  • http://www.nicolejleboeuf.com/index.php Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

     

    Am I the only one who immediately thinks of the X-Men whenever I hear the term “ex-gay?”

    “Have you ever tried… not being a mutant?”

  • Albanaeon

    I has a confuzzle.

    Wouldn’t an “ex-gay” be straight?  And therefore pretty well represented on tv?

    And how would a show about an “ex-gay” work anyway?  I mean you get an episode mention and then what?  He (because we know that it would have to be a “he” to get acknowledged) goes on with his straight life and no conflict happens over it.  Because if conflict does happen, he’s not ‘ex-gay,’ he’s pretend straight.  Which is not the same thing, however much Haggard says it is.

    I guess you could do a show where teh gays keep trying to bring him back to the dark side, but again there could be no conflict, because as “ex-gay” he would never succumb because he’s straight and not attracted to them.  And again, a moment of weakness and we’d be back to “pretend-straight.” * So it’d be a very boring show, and our decadent liberal Hollywood would never give it a chance.

    So what does LaBarbera want?**

    *Yes, I do know that sexual attraction tends to be a spectrum of things, but I’m relatively sure that nuance is not going to be a selling point to the PP’s of the world.

    **On second thought, I’m happy not knowing.  People who get up in arms about such things have a tendency to get exposed (hee) in er… exotic wants…

  • EllieMurasaki

    Wouldn’t an “ex-gay” be straight?  And therefore pretty well represented on tv?

    Wouldn’t a trans man be male? And therefore pretty well represented on TV?

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     He wants a portrayal of healthy, well-adjusted heterosexual men in relationships that conform to his notion of what heterosexual relationships should be like. Which is to say, most characters on most shows.

    But he also wants it mentioned about them that they once believed themselves to be gay, but have since then been cured of that disordered state through the healing power of Jesus Christ.

    And he wants this portrayal in fiction because that’s pretty much the only place he can find them, and the model of sexuality he’s selling depends on them.

  • flat

    Geert wilders he is the reason we just got elections again here in Holland, the fact that he is making money using those right wing lunatics proves he is just a sellout.

  • LeRoc

    Back when Wilders was still popular in the Netherlands, many people said they supported him because ‘Muslims want to oppress women and gays.’

    At these moments, I always thought: do you have an idea what kind people are funding him? They have some very liberal ideas about women and gays … not!

  • Bificommander

    I remember one quote from a Sex and the City episode my sister was watching, where the blond sex-bomb and the red-haired woman (don’t really remember their names) were talking about lesbianism, the blonde said ‘Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it’ and the red-haired woman said she had once. So by the ‘gay is a choice’ logic, doesn’t that qualify? Sure, we might think she was just bi-curious or something like that. But what this really meant obviously is that she was once lured into the homosexual lifestyle, and then chose to get out and found happiness (sometimes) in heterosexual relationships again.

    And I worry that Geert is down but not out. With about 10% of the votes, there’s still a lot of people who take him seriously for some reason. He’s basically done everything possible to destroy his credibility. Before the previous election, he promised he would under no circumstance accept an increase of the retirement age. Within 12 hours of the election, he publicly announced he’d gladly increase the age so he could be in a right-wing coalition.

    And then there’s the campaign money. When parlement was voting about making campaign contributions more public, Geert Wilders bitched and moaned that his supporters, the simple and hardworking common Dutch, would be exposed if they tried to contribute to his campaign. The limit at which the contributions had to be made public was about 7000 dollars. Apparently simple, hardworking folk easily have more than 7000 dollar to spare to give to a politician. Everyone knows that it’s bullshit, and that he gets his money from forgein pro-Israel and anti-Muslim organizations. But people keep taking him seriously as the last real Dutch patriot who’ll keep us safe from forgein intereference.

    Though a fun fact about Wilders: He is, at least in word if not in deed, very pro-gay. Or rather, Muslims tend to be anti-gay, which means he likes to taut gay marriage as a great Dutch cultural achievement. When the infrictions on gay rights comes from Christians, he tends to care a lot less all of the sudden.

  • Carstonio

     

    Because if conflict does happen, he’s not ‘ex-gay,’ he’s pretend straight.

    Unless the show treats homosexuality as a psychological addiction like gambling, which is implied in the rhetoric of people like LaBarbera. Characters who are recovering addicts are fairly common. But any show that tried that approach with an “ex-gay” character would instantly become parody.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    I believe that was Santorum’s attitude towards Islamic fundamentalists too.

    “Those bastards want to strip away the rights of women and homosexuals! But that’s my thing!”

    I don’t really appreciate the fact that we’re importing discount racists from the Netherlands though. They’re taking away jobs from good old-fashioned American racists, and that’s just not right.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I didn’t know you were Dutch, flat! I visited the Netherlands earlier this year; very nice country you have there :)

  • LeRoc

    Dankjewel ;)

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

     But… but if I can’t believe in unicorns what will I have left?

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Hey, what’s the deal with formal vs informal conjugations in Dutch these days? I know the official rule but is it becoming honoured more in the breach?

    I was in Spain recently and using formal verb forms with strangers like a champ but in the south I noticed that everyone else went straight to familiar language with me. Which, as an Aussie, I heartily endorse :)

  • Lori

     

    Wouldn’t an “ex-gay” be straight?    

    One would think, but apparently not. I can’t remember where the issue stands right now, but the whack-jobs were trying to get recognition for “ex-gay” as a legally protected class by claiming that it’s a separate orientation. Which of course contradicts their claims that their “therapy” makes people straight.

    Their lies change according to what they think will most benefit them on any given day, so it isn’t wise to spend any energy trying to make it make sense.

  • Lori

     

    Wouldn’t a trans man be male? And therefore pretty well represented on TV?   

    Are ex-gays now describing themselves as having been straight all along, but born in a gay body?

  • Tricksterson

    The youth of today, always complaining!  Why when I was a kid we watched Lost in Space and Space 1999 and we were thankful for it!  Now shut up and watch Revolution!

  • Tricksterson

    Wasn’t there an anti-Islamic activist who was openly gay?  And wasn’t he murdered?

  • Tricksterson

    Griffins?

  • Tricksterson

    The “red headed woman” was played by Cynthia Nixon (No relation AFAIK) and IIRC lesbian in real life.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

     I suppose.

  • Launcifer

    You mean Theo van Gogh, yes?

  • Lori

    I loved Lost In Space. I think that must have been my first venture into scifi. I’m not old enough to have watched the original run, but it was on in repeats when I was in early elementary school and I watched every one. It was no Speed Racer mind you, but I loved it just the same.

  • Mrs Grimble
  • Tricksterson

    Yes, he was the one I was thinking of.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Are ex-gays now describing themselves as having been straight all along, but born in a gay body?

    No idea. My point was Generic Straight TV Person doesn’t represent ex-gays any better than Generic Male TV Person represents trans men.

  • Bificommander

    Yeah, he was kind of Geert Wilder’s predecessor. He was the first politician to succesfully beat the anti-muslim drum and found a populist right wing party. His statements were shocking at the time, but it wasn’t a patch on the things Geert Wilders would say later. He was killed a few days before the election, and his newly-founded party got 15% of the votes out of nowhere. Sadly for them, their candidates had mostly just been picked because Fortuyn couldn’t take all the parliment seats he was expecting to win by himself. In other words, they were mostly a bunch of incompetents who managed to screw up the right-wing coalition they formed within a record time of 3 months, due to excessive infighting. So that party dropped of the grid pretty soon, but that sweet 15% of the votes has been sought after by multiple politicians, with Geert Wilders being the one to succeed.

    Fortuyn’s assasination has proven to be not just a personal tragedy, or a hit on the principle of free speech, democracy and political discource, but also has some very sad practical side effects. He never got his chance to fail with his political ideology, which I believe is one reason why every failure of right wing policiticans is seen by those voters as a failure of the person, not of the ideology behind it. Hence once a politician’s fuck-ups become too much to bear even for their supporters, they just look for the next politician who talks Fortuyn’s talk.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

     Do these “ex-gay” advocates even understand bisexuality? Or asexuality?

  • AliciaB

    They don’t understand homosexuality or even heterosexuality, the two orientations they actively deal with — you can’t ask them to understand bisexuality (which too many people don’t even acknowledge exists) or asexuality (which too many people have never even heard of)? 

    OK, well, you can and you should ask them to know about these things, but they won’t because they’re idiots. 

  • The_L1985

     They don’t believe that either one exists, if they’ve even heard of them at all.

    “Of course it’s extremely manipulative, they ask her why they want to carry a child that’s not yours, and she says she looked out and she saw a lesbian couple being yelled at by a homeless woman and she thought it was just like another family, so even in the trailer you can see the incredible propaganda that we’re going to be subjected to in this movie.”

    That’s right folks, admitting that gay people want to have children, and that some people don’t like to see homophobia in society, is propaganda!

    “When is Hollywood ever going to have a healthy, contented ex-gay in a movie or a TV show?”

    About the time we start to see healthy, contented ex-gay people in society at large.  We’re still waiting.

  • Madhabmatics

    Kids today never had to suffer through the second season of Sea Quest. :argh:

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    The “ex-gay” advocates don’t understand any sexuality of any kind.

  • Tricksterson

    There is no second season of Seaquest.  There is a fairly decent near future series that last one season , then there is a gaping whole of darkest wrong, then there is a very different series with exactly the same name taking place on a remarkalbly similar vessel that’s okay military science fiction.  we do not speak of the gaping hole lest we summon it.

  • Tricksterson

    Including sadly their own I think.

  • Matri

    but the whack-jobs were trying to get recognition for “ex-gay” as a
    legally protected class by claiming that it’s a separate orientation.

    “Ex-gay is an orientation like bald is a hair color.”

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    In my example above of “The Shield”, Julien is a rookie cop who in season one has a brief relationship with a gay hustler, which he is shown to feel very conflicted about. 

    When the aforementioned gay hustler gets arrested he uses Julien’s name to get out of jail free, he sort of sees it as a sign from God to not be gay and breaks up with the man and becomes more involved with his church. In later seasons he is shown to have married a single mother from his church and more or less denying the fact that he’s into men. It struck me as a fairly realistic portrayal of a gay man unable to cope with his attraction to men and more or less succeeding at it. 

  • EllieMurasaki

    It struck me as a fairly realistic portrayal of a gay man unable to cope with his attraction to men and more or less succeeding at it.

    And the GLAAD report says that in 2011-2012 there was not one single regular or recurring transgender character anywhere on American television. The comparison isn’t quite on point because IMDB says The Shield went off air a few years ago, but I still have the distinct impression that ex-gays, even if Julien’s the only one identifiable as such on TV, are better portrayed than trans folks. *sigh*

  • Albanaeon

    Not by my definition, because I accept that gender identity is actually a hard concept and that people can be in conflict with themselves, while still being themselves.

    But I am using THEIR definition here for an “ex-gay.” He would have to be happy, healthy, and well adjusted to qualify. Which means that he’s been “cured” of gayness and now is straight and status quo. Any conflicts on this would violate their definition and the person would not be “ex-gay” but pretend straight.

    So, blame it on their narrowness, not mine.

  • The_insane_protagonist

    Maybe ex-gay activists can just use “headcanon” to fill in the gaps like the rest of us kids do for our preferred gender identities and orientations. XD

  • wendy

    An argument could be made that Angel and Spike are ex-gay… but it would be quite a stretch to classify either of them as “healthy” or “contented”.

  • Tricksterson

    Not sure I’d even call them “ex”.  Certainly not in fanon.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     Yeah. Even if Buffyverse vampires can be assumed to have a sexuality that maps onto human-space, I don’t get any sense of them being “ex-” anything, just “people who sometimes have relationships with members of their own gender but haven’t in a while”


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