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“Kremer and D’Souza seem to have forgotten one of the first rules of storytelling, at least when I was growing up: The one who wants to rule the world is The Bad Guy.

“For Romney, God blesses America because it is America and America is good because it is America and America will succeed because it is America. To put this sensibility in the terms of a common religious expression, let us bless ourselves: In the name of America, the nation, and the holy nation — Amen.”

“I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.”

“For all of the angry freakouts by conservatives who have claimed that Obamacare was going to be the end of the world as they knew it and the triumph of socialism over freedom, not a single person I spoke with could offer up concrete evidence that Obamacare was now or would ever be ruining their lives.”

And ‘dick you over’ is not a winning answer.

“Are there parallels between the ‘high school is hell’ motif in Buffy, and the reality of living as a Christian in the North American evangelical Church?

“Moon did 13 months for the crime and Christian televangelists like Jerry Falwell and Tim LaHaye, realizing their own legal vulnerability, rallied to his support.”

“In the early 1980s, Moon began pouring millions into Religious Right organizations. Over the years, he used a network of front groups to channel cash to people like Tim LaHaye, Jerry Falwell, Ralph Reed, Gary Bauer and others.”

“The Vatican is not shy about getting rid of bishops when it believes they have misbehaved. The measure of how serious it is about addressing the sexual abuse crisis and repairing the church’s reputation is whether it proceeds to remove Bishop Finn from office forthwith.”

“It brings great disrepute to the Catholic church and its moral teachings. And it should do so.”

“I charge you to imagine the above scenario played out with you as the target of rejection.”

“The Gospel is inclusion into the fold of God, and we are to bring such inclusion to those that are excluded, that are bastardized and marginalized and under the power of evil, and to bring the way of the One who has given such amazing things to us.”

“Although it was a deeply meaningful experience for me, it was a Christian sacrament, and we had come to the moon in the name of all [humanity] — be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, agnostics, or atheists.”

“With no real organization, no official leaders, no fixed institutions — and no bloodshed — they went up against the most powerful empire on earth, and won.”

“If it’s done well, then you get both the ugliness that comes out of showing how people really are around issues like race and gender, but also a hidden underlying counter-current that puts in front of you the very real, very personal, consequences of these orientations.”

“It is important to comprehend the desire for vengeance expressed in the Book of Revelation, and to not pretend that we cannot relate to it. But as Christians, we should also seek to overcome the desire for vengeance expressed therein, based on principles which we and its author share, but which that author did not always succeed in living up to, any more than we do.”

“You’ll tremble in fear when Jesus, the raging Lion of Judah, completely devastates the Earth, never to rise again.” (via)

“Because man did not have the authority to put murderers to death during this time, acts of violence and passion grew to such dimensions that God mercifully sent the Flood to destroy all of mankind but one believing family.”

“Unlike most other issues that have been in the forefront of evangelical social action of late, lying is, after all, one of the Big Ten: ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness against their neighbor.'”

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  • PurpleAardvaark

    If Joe had done more, you’d never have gotten away with that bike.

  • Random Lurker

    I suspect that the answer to the “lying” question is that American religion has become a political organization, not a religious one.

  • Tricksterson

    I like to think of myself more as an Ent than a Gondorian.  While intellectually realizing the need to engage with the rest of the world, emotionally I’m largely an isolationist.

    Also I think the Noarth American evangelical movement has need of a real Slayer.  I have no trouble  thinking of LaHaye, Bauer, Robertson et al as vampires or demons.

  • JustoneK

    Also I think the Noarth American evangelical movement has need of a real Slayer.  I have no trouble  thinking of LaHaye, Bauer, Robertson et al as vampires or demons.
    Seconded.

  • Carstonio

    Uh, you’re not talking about Kerry King’s band,are you?

  • The_L1985

     Yeah, the real-world (thrash-metal band) Slayer isn’t nearly as helpful as Buffy.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Buffy? O.o

    I was watching some clips, and it’s disturbing how often Spike and Buffy seem to hit each other and in general having the show normalize the kind of sexual aggressiveness Spike displays to Buffy in particular.

    Why do people watch this show? o.O

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Alexander/502988241 Alan Alexander

     The clips you’re talking about most likely came from Season 6 which is, shall we say, not beloved by the fans. At that point in time, Buffy was in a state of severe PTS and borderline suicidal depression as a result of the events of the previous season, and she acted out her issues by deliberately engaging in a self-destructive relationship with a soulless vampire who claimed to feel love but seemed incapable of demonstrating it except through violence. It was an incredibly dark storyline which, depending on your tolerance for that sort of thing was either gripping or off-putting.

  • vsm

    I watched four episodes of season six, after which I decided Buffy vs. Glory was a perfectly good way to end the series and stopped. I don’t think I could have taken it getting any more depressing.

  • The_L1985

    True.  But at least Buffy is clearly and definitely killing off Bad Things at the same time.

    Slayer just screeches over guitar music. :P

  • Lori

    Spike & Buffy had a complicated relationship. Unlike many other fans, I wasn’t particularly fond of it and there was one moment in particular that cemented it as a big ol’ N.O. for me and made me seriously POed at the person running the show at the time.

    That said, you do realize that both Spike & Buffy are supernaturally strong and also, being the slayer & a vampire, basically natural mortal enemies, yes? Did it also occur to you that watching clips gives no context and that you might be missing some stuff?

    I doubt very seriously that there’s a single bit of entertainment that someone doesn’t look at and say, “Why do people watch/read/listen to this?” It’s almost always a rude, judgmental question.

  • Carstonio

     Never saw the Buffy show, but James Marsters also played Brainiac on Smallville.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    That said, you do realize that both Spike & Buffy are supernaturally
    strong and also, being the slayer & a vampire, basically natural
    mortal enemies, yes? Did it also occur to you that watching clips gives
    no context and that you might be missing some stuff?

    I thought that unnecessarily snippy and a bit harsh.

    You’ve never decided, on the basis of partial information, to decide not to watch/see/read something?

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I don’t like Buffy, but I can get behind Lori’s harshness here. I am incredibly sick of people deciding on the teeniest bit of information (which is often misinformation) that some kind of media is horrible and anyone who likes it must be horrible. The last straw for me was when someone said Wynne from Dragon Age talking about being tired was sexist and therefore the whole game was sexist and the writers were sexist. When Wynne is at least 70 years old, running around all day and night with young people (including other women who never talk about being tired) slaying monsters, saving everyone’s life over and over, and also she is *technically dead*. 

    I see this kind of stuff constantly — in high-rated reviews on Amazon, in random comments on the internet, most of all in tvtropes, and it has gotten worse in the past few years. I swear people’s comprehension has plummeted. And I’m tired of it.

  • vsm

    I’ve noticed it too. I’m sure these people have good intentions, but
    denouncing works of art, rather than engaging with them, is not actually a
    very interesting position. I’m not saying you should never do it, but
    save it for something truly vile. For instance, writing off Bioware’s
    games because of occasional sexism* is counter-productive when they’re
    one of the few gaming companies who at least try to consider audiences
    other than 15-year old straight white guys and are often successful**.
    Their failings should certainly be criticized and analyzed, but their
    successes should not be ignored.

    *My favorite example comes from Dragon Age, which kept insisting Leliana
    was better protected by a glorified crop top than a leather armor.

    **According to Bioware’s statistics, only 20% of gamers play Mass Effect
    with a female character. They still included her and gave her one of
    the best voice actresses in the business. She has become something of a
    feminist icon.

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    You’ve never decided, on the basis of partial information, to decide not to watch/see/read something?

    There’s a difference between that and going online to ask the world “Why do people watch this?” in horrified tones.

  • Lori

     

    You’ve never decided, on the basis of partial information, to decide not to watch/see/read something?  

    Of course. The thing is “I don’t think this is for me” =/= “Why does anyone watch this show?” The first is absolutely fine. You have a total right to decide something isn’t interesting to you on the basis of any amount of information that you chose, or none at all. That doesn’t mean that asking why anyone else would watch it doesn’t come off as rather judgmental (speaking of a bit harsh).

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Fair enough. Sorry about that.

  • Lori

    No problem. It’s both sort of a sore spot for me and also I thing I sometimes have to remind myself not to do.

  • LouisDoench

    Agreed, there are seriously embarrassing scenes from season 1 of Babylon 5 that I would hate for people to judge the show on. 

  • Nequam

    Man, I didn’t know Ernest Angley was still alive. He looked pretty old when James Randi was disputing him in The Faith Healers 25 years ago…

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    acts of violence and passion

    Wait, what? What’s wrong with acts of passion? Was this written by wannabe pre-Luke Jedi?

  • Lunch Meat

    As someone schooled in the codewords used in the A Beka textbooks, I think passion is supposed to be about sex. Sex should be boring and solemn and you shouldn’t get too excited about it, lest you lose control and do something that’s Not Allowed.

    (Seriously, I actually have heard the argument that good sex should be boring, because if you make a habit of doing fun stuff then the fun stuff will become boring and then you’ll have to do even funner stuff to keep it exciting, and all the really fun stuff is Not Allowed. The same person apparently didn’t believe that you shouldn’t use spices in your food because spices will make you want to take drugs.)

  • EllieMurasaki

    I actually have heard the argument that good sex should be boring, because if you make a habit of doing fun stuff then the fun stuff will become boring and then you’ll have to do even funner stuff to keep it exciting, and all the really fun stuff is Not Allowed.

    Having done sex the same way a hundred times before doesn’t make the sex boring–if anything, it’s probably improved with practice–and there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with being vanilla. There is also, however, nothing whatsoever wrong with risk-aware consensual kink (though the partners do need to be on the same page, or at least something like Alice letting Brittany spank her because Brittany’s into it though Alice isn’t in exchange for Brittany letting Alice tie her up because Alice is into it though Brittany isn’t), and boring sex is kind of by definition not good sex.

  • Thomas C Mccabe

    Sex is boring. Incest is relatively boring but necrophilia is dead boring.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Out

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Alexander/502988241 Alan Alexander

    The acceptance of Moon in recent years has been, to me anyway, a perfect symbol of the apostasy and moral degradation of the religious right. When I was a child in the 1970’s, I and all the other kids in our backwater Baptist church were required to watch a movie in fellowship hall about the Moonies. “Heavenly Deception” it was called. I was disappointed because I had thought it was going to be a sequal to “A Thief In the Night” and I wanted to know if that girl really got her head chopped off by agents of the Antichrist. But no, it was just a rather turgid melodrama about a Christian family that’s rocked when one of the children becomes a Moonie. IIRC, there was some lame attempt at dramatic tension near the end because the kid is on the run from church for some vague reason, but I couldn’t follow that bit at all at the age of 9. I do recall that the title — “Heavenly Deception” — referred to a scene in which a leader of the church bluntly tells the kid that it is not a sin to lie in order to advance the church’s goals but rather a sign of one’s superior virtue.

    Thirty-five years later, and I can’t think of a single leader in American Christianity who doesn’t agree with that statement.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Mankind did not have the authority to put murderers to death

    You have murderers around. If you want to put someone to death…figure it out. 

  • AnonymousSam

    The more I hear sentiments like this, the more I start to wonder if the speaker’s only problem with murderers is that they jump the chain of command.

  • David Starner

    Punishment, by definition, is something that you normally shouldn’t do to people. Calling executioners murderers ignores the fact that locking someone in your basement for 25 to life is also a hideous thing to do. There’s no response to a serial killer that will protect other people that’s a reasonable thing to do to normal people.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The books I read about cults made no bones about the fact that the Moonies were not a legitimate sect by reason of the fact that they engaged in questionable tactics to keep their followers isolated and apart from the rest of the world.

    The fact that modern day fundamentalists are now trying to pretty up and put a bow on those kind of deceptive tactics makes me wonder if they intend on trying the same thing on a larger scale.

  • VMink


    The fact that modern day fundamentalists are now trying to pretty up and put a bow on those kind of deceptive tactics makes me wonder if they intend on trying the same thing on a larger scale.

    “Intend?”

    Less short-answer-for-humorous-effect, I think they’re doing it right now.

  • Tricksterson

    To a large extent it seems they already do.  There’s huge pressure not to read watch or listen to anything that isn’t aproved as “righteous”.

  • MaryKaye

    Some people do seem to need sexual novelty.  If you have a novelty drive and you want to be monogamous, it would behoove you to work hard on how to make monogamous sex more exciting and novel.  There are plenty of things to try that are by no means morally wrong:  different positions, costumes, props, locations, sex toys, bondage.  If you aren’t saddled with a belief that sexual playacting is thoughtcrime, you can also do a whole lot with playacting.

    It would also be a good idea to be proficient with masturbation, so that you are not wholly dependent on your partner for sexual pleasure.  It’s also an excellent way to try out ideas that you’re not sure about before getting a partner involved.  (Just be aware of safety risks with kinky solo sex.)

    The pretense that your married sex life will be great without any work–or that it reflects a lack of love and commitment if it’s not great–are big killers of marriages, in my opinion.  It’s kind of like cooking.  You don’t have to eat out to have exciting food, but you do have to make some effort at home.  If you get in a rut and stay there, you will end up bored.  I know people who launched into affairs without making any effort at all to find out if their partner could be more experimental–bleargh.  (You can even end up in the stupid situation from the Pina Colada Song where *both* partners are doing this.  People, talk to each other!)

  • Isabel C.

    Yep. And sometimes those things don’t work, or you don’t want to try, and that’s okay too, as long as everyone’s honest about it.

    I don’t know whether I could put the necessary time in to wean myself away from NRE fun times and be happily monogamous or not: I suspect not, because of other things and also because I think the mono-poly thing is about as hardwired as other sexual preferences. 

    But whether I could or not, at some point I decided that I didn’t want to, that nobody was worth the struggle, and I’ve been way happier since.

    Mind you, this probably will not convince the fundies of anything, but very little about me will do that. 

  • AnonymousSam

    Communication is the big part in any form of sexuality. Conflict arises when people are on separate pages about something and are unable to communicate how or why. As long as you’re up-front and explicit in your lack of desire for a monogamous relationship (and remain consistently so if you do visit the same partner[s] more than once, to avoid giving them mixed signals and/or the impression that your words belie your true feelings), you’re already doing everything you’re obligated to do.

    People tend to place “sexual monogamy” in the “respecting your partner” box, but the two aren’t always a necessary bundle. Communication, however, is. If you don’t know your partner’s thoughts and wishes about sexuality, you can’t respect them. I have known of a few open relationships where two partners essentially considered themselves live-in friends with benefits which also happened to include financial and emotional support. One of the requirements in each such relationship was to know and have confidence in their partner’s activities, which included regular testing for STDs and HIV whenever a new sexual partner became involved (significantly reducing the “putting your partner at risk” argument).

    I lost touch with two of the people in such relationships, but I know of one which is now going on ten years with no major issues that I’ve heard of. What impresses me even more about that relationship is that the female partner accidentally conceived from one of these liaisons and this hasn’t placed any stress upon them that I’m aware of. You’d never know the child wasn’t legitimately theirs.

    Then again, I think I gave you the thumbs up in the past for being so matter-of-fact about such things. Stupid bad memory.

  • Jeff Weskamp

    I am utterly shocked at how many members of America’s Christian Right were willing to work with Moon and his church.  The central tenet of the Unification Church is this:  Jesus *failed* in his mission to establish the Kingdom of God upon this earth by getting Himself crucified.  If somebody like Anton La Vey or Marilyn Manson ever said such a thing, the Religious Right would accuse them of outright blasphemy.

  • JustoneK

    Wait what?  This is a central thing?  Unitarians are not really a big thing in my area and I mostly live in my rock away from locals anyway.  I have to check wikipedia now.

    You’d think the Trinity bit would be central for all Christian denominations, rly.

  • JustoneK

    huh.  it’s in the name, opposing trinitarianism thar.  and it’s pluralistic, no wonder I was taught it was not Christian enough.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Unitarian != Unification. And I don’t think Unitarian Universalists count themselves as Christians.

  • The_L1985

    Some do; some don’t.

  • MikeJ

    Some do; some don’t.

    I thought it was sort of baked into the word “Unitarian” as in “all is one” etc. Granted, there are Catholics that don’t believe in the authority of Rome and I’d guess you could find a Baptist somewhere who was ok with sprinkling.

  • The_L1985

     Er, no.  There are Christian UU’s, Pagan UU’s, atheist/Freethinker UU’s, Jewish UU’s, etc.  It’s become more or less a catch-all, rather than a denomination in the traditional sense.

  • JustoneK

    I always learn things in these comment threads :D

  • Mike Timonin


     I don’t think Unitarian Universalists count themselves as Christians.

    Some of us do. 

  • Eminnith

    Unitarian Universalists and the Unification Church are two completely different things. The Unification Church is the group following the late Rev. Moon (Moonies), and they are pretty seriously cultish. Unitarian Universalists are fairly benign, as a rule.  Unitarians can be Christian-flavored, though Unitarian churches often have large Pagan groups. Moonies aren’t Christian at all.

    Have I cleared anything up or just confused you further?

  • JustoneK

    No, that helps a lot.  I blame a lot of this on Anglish.

  • The_L1985

    Unification Church =/= Unitarian Church.  They’re different.

    But no, Unitarians don’t believe in a triune God.

  • AliciaB

    It’s kind of like how leaders of the institutional Christian right are willing to ally themselves with African dictators like Charles Taylor and Mobutu. You can be a monstrous dictator and still be welcomed among them. They have backed apartheid and advocated for Holocaust denial and AIDS denial. They welcome con artists, torturers, rapists, child molesters, and murderers, and not as sinners to be counseled or redeemed but as trusted business partners and political allies. 

    They really don’t have that many moral values at all. That’s why they have to talk about their moral values so often — Moral Majority, Values Voters — it’s a transparent attempt at concealing their pervasive corruption.

  • vsm

    Kremer and D’Souza seem to have forgotten one of the first rules of storytelling, at least when I was growing up: The one who wants to rule the world is the Bad Guy.
    Which is why Buffy’s Japanese cousin Sailor Moon, who does take over the world, is such an interesting figure.

  • The_L1985

     She takes over the Earth?  I must have missed that season–I remember her being princess only of the Moon Kingdom.  You know.  On the moon.

  • EllieMurasaki

    She takes over the Earth? I must have missed that season–I remember her being princess only of the Moon Kingdom. You know. On the moon.
    She ends up Queen of Crystal Tokyo. I can’t remember if Crystal Tokyo is capital of the world in canon, though it definitely is in fanon. (Things I ought to do at some soonish point: rewatch the series.)

  • vsm

    I’m pretty sure it’s explicitly said to be the capital of the world in the manga and at least implied in the anime. If it wasn’t, surely her political opponents wouldn’t have left for another planet instead of the United States, where they could’ve had careers in politics and/or stand-up comedy?

  • EllieMurasaki

    Haven’t read the manga (also on the to-do list, since it’s being [re?]issued in English), but point.

  • The_L1985

     Maybe we should both re-watch the series.  Regardless of whether or not she ends up ruling the entire world, it’s hard not to like that show. :)

  • Dash100_z

    I think that was just a name. I don’t think Reverend Moon really, literally had a kingdom on the actual Moon. It was just his last name. 

  • The_L1985

     …er, I was referring to the cartoon character Sailor Moon, not Sun Myung Moon.

  • MaryKaye

    Here is the statement of principles for the Unitarian-Universalists (who are indeed unrelated to the Unification Church).  This is the denomination’s own statement of what it is and does.

    There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:

    The inherent worth and dignity of every person;Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:

    Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed
    in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an
    openness to the forces which create and uphold life;Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to
    confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the
    transforming power of love;Wisdom from the world’s religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God’s love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason
    and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind
    and spirit;Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the
    sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the
    rhythms of nature.

    These principles and sources of faith are the backbone of our religious community.

    I was a member of a Pagan organization within a Unitarian church for over a decade.  It’s correct to say that Unitarian-Universalists in the US are not, collectively, all Christians.  Some of them are, however.   As a Christian denomination they have historically been defined by the belief that God is one (Unitarianism) and that all are saved (Universalism); the denomination arose from a merger of churches holding those two views.
     

  • Randall M

    “The Gospel is inclusion into the fold of God, and we are to bring such inclusion to those that are excluded,
    that are bastardized and marginalized and under the power of evil, and
    to bring the way of the One who has given such amazing things to us.”

    I can’t parse this sentence.  I’ve read it three times now and it just doesn’t make sense.  Has anyone clicked on the link?  Does the final product make sense?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Re Dinesh D’Souza:

    Linda McQuaig wrote a considerable amount about him, pointing out how his writings, as an apologist for globalization, gain credibility because he’s also not white. He thus soothes the ruffled feathers of the white elites of North America, reassuring them that their basic economic philosophy carries enough validity about it that any criticism of it is just sour grapes.

  • arghous

    I thought that was one sparkly pony, until I noticed it was Supercharger-Jesus’ feet and remembered that he now has feet of brass.

    But weren’t his hairs supposed to be white as snow?

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.ahern Nicholas Ahern

    Hey Fred. Thanks for the tag. Love the blog! :)

    If anyone is interested, I wrote this:

    “The Gospel is inclusion into the fold of God, and we are to bring such inclusion to those that are excluded,
    that are bastardized and marginalized and under the power of evil, and
    to bring the way of the One who has given such amazing things to us.”

    –Nick

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Fred, Fred, post something on Mitt’s latest “gaffe”!  You love this stuff!
     
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/hidden-camera-catches-romneys-real-thoughts-on-the-other-47-per-cent-20120918-26456.html
     

    “There are 47 per cent who are with [Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it,” Mr Romney said. “These are people who pay no income tax.”
    He added that his job “is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    Hey Mitt:

    1. People are entitled to health care, food and housing. The fact that so many politicians say otherwise is what makes American politics the embarrassment of the developed world.

    2. 47% of people pay no income tax? And the President shouldn’t give a shit about them?

    3. Obama’s supporters are all useless leeches on society, eh? And yet the correlation between voting behaviour and income deomgraphics shows…

    4. Fuck off.

  • Fusina

     See, that takes him from mildly off-putting to seriously creepy. I’ve heard stuff like that, usually from conspiracy theorists who are certain that there is a cabal of secret leaders making sure that the world goes the way they want it to.

    And I support Obama, and I pay income taxes, own my home free and clear, have health insurance and can afford to buy food.

    All I’ve got to say from now on is, “Republicans! Keep your Mitt off the White House!”

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    I am part of that 47%.  I get the taxes I pay back because I am hopelessly underemployed.  I work a nearly-40-hour week at a Walmart for a shockingly low hourly wage, and I spend most of my downtime writing in hopes of making a few bucks there.  Unlike Mittens, I have not (so far) gotten any direct financial help from the government.

    I actually overpay my income taxes because of my freelance writing.  I never know if or when it will take off, so I set up my withholding to 0.  Then if I end up owing self-employment tax (I have only done so once in my life), it is already withheld.  My self-employment money is mine, free and clear.

  • veejayem

    In fact, you are so poorly paid/exploited by a large business corporation that in order to keep you from starving (just) the state is effectively subsidising a large business corporation. A similar thing happens in Britain with tax credits etc.  for families on low incomes. Yet strangely enough right-wing politicians on both sides of the Atlantic have nothing to say on the subject.

  • hidden_urchin

    Yeah, next thing you know we entitled government freeloaders will be saying we have a right to air.

  • JustoneK

    This is not helping my lovey-dovey kumbaya argument against a friend’s, who claims that Republicans pretty actively want the rest of us to die.

  • Carstonio

     The Southern Strategy meets the Just World Fallacy. I knew that any child born of that horrid union would have 666 on its scalp.

  • Lori

    Speaking as one of the 47%, I heartily endorse #4.

    One of the things that makes me so angry about Mittens’ Country Club BS is that he acts as if being one of the 47% is a permanent, defining characteristic. He totally fails to grasp (because it would be inconvenient for him to do so) that for the vast majority of folks, not paying federal income tax is not a life-long state. Most adults who don’t pay income tax are either young and  heading toward decades of paying, or retired after decades of paying.  Others, like me, paid for many years and would love to be paying again if only we could find jobs that pay enough to put us above the payment threshold. I’ve been working full time for the last 6 months. It looks like my so-called temp job will continue through the remainder of the year and I’m about to get a substantial raise (as a percentage of my current wage). That raise is the thing that going to push my income up enough for me to likely owe a small about of income tax. At my current pay rate I wouldn’t have paid anything. (By Right Wing logic I should be angry about the raise because it increases my tax burden. In fact, by their reckoning I should have quit my job rather than accept the raise. I am not and I did not. Because I am not an idiot.) If Mitt thinks that I prefer this situation to the years when I made more than twice as much money as I’m making now (plus had full benefits) and paid significantly more income tax he’s off his nut.

    It’s also worth pointing out that some of the free loaders not paying income tax are incredibly wealthy individuals and corporations who game the system.  Funny how Mittens doesn’t talk about them at all.

  • AnonymousSam

    Oh, but you see, that’s because they work really, really hard for their massive income. Like almost 50 hours a week! Completely unlike when I worked 90 hours a week for 46741 times less pay, because I’m just a leech and he’s a job-maker. Never mind that people like him are the reason the company I worked for wound up terminating my job to employ people from the Philippines at even lower wages than what I was getting, and has since been sued for, among many things, predatory business practices revolving around profiting off the work of other companies.

    You know, the noble class.

  • JustoneK

    Incidentally, there’s an update from ThinkProgress:  http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/18/865201/romney-surrogate-47-remark-were-intended-for-business-people/

     “When you’re off the record, at a private event, you are less careful than when you are at a public event.”   A fundraiser is not a public event?  What?

  • Lori

    I don’t have nearly as much of a problem with an invitation-only fund raiser being considered a private event as I do with the idea that it’s OK to like about & demean almost half the people you claim to want to lead as long as you think the press isn’t going to get wind of it.

  • AnonymousSam

    … He thinks that makes it better?

  • JustoneK

    The impression I get is that the only bad things are the ones you get caught doing.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    Mendacity is wordsmith’s word of the day.   When I saw that I thought of Mitt Romney, and the chronicling of his.

  • Carstonio

    “What’s that smell in this room? Didn’t you notice it, Brick? Didn’t you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?…There ain’t nothin’ more powerful than the odor of mendacity…You can smell it. It smells like death.”

  • Lunch Meat

    “When you’re human, you make comments,” he explained. “When you’re off
    the record, at a private event, you are less careful than when you are
    at a public event.” He went on to say that the statements are
    “unimportant” to “what really matters to people.”

    I’m so glad he told me what matters to me. Now I know exactly what to think.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    Here is what I have to say to Mitt Romney today:

    Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

    One man saw that I was ill and did his best to heal me. Another saw that I was ill and called me a freeloader. 

    No, seriously Mitt. Fuck you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CUJHSQSQYTYT4DPZSKTVESYNQ B

    Dunno. I said, “Why do people watch this stuff?” about the last 2 seasons of Buffy, and I was one of the people who watched the last 2 seasons of Buffy…

  • Lori

    I hear ya. On more than one occasion, especially during the last season, I asked “Why am I watching this?” I’m still not sure I made the right choice to hang in and I about 99% sure that if they’d done another season I wouldn’t have watched it. (I think I may be alone in my utter hatred of the last episode, but I hated it.) I would have paid cash money for another season of Angel, but by the end of Buffy I was off the bus.

  • rich

    “What you do for the least amongst us, you do for me…”
    Reconciling the words of the deity of Christians with the comments about the useless and worthless 47 percenters?

    Why don’t their heads spontaneously explode due to egregious levels of cognitive dissonance?


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