‘I know better but I don’t know better’

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“Those of you in the so-called ultra-conservative tradition say so little about what God said so much, and so much about what God said so little.”

“You don’t stand with other folks because they agree with you or look like you or believe like you. You stand with them just because they are like you: human, fragile, vulnerable … and beloved children of God one and all.”

“They are trying their God’s honest best — as we all are — to try to be God’s woman or man. So please, be good to my kids.”

“Today, virtually anyone can claim a list of religious ideals, take in children and subject them to punishment and isolation that verge on torture — so long as they quote chapter and verse to justify it.” (via Gryphen)

“Even granting that my patience with the Clan of the Red Beanie ran out about 25,000 unpunished felonies ago, Bishop Jenky nonetheless has managed to jump on my last nerve.”

“You probably don’t know this, but the only thing women want to hear about the subject of sexual violence from male politicians is your plan to prosecute perpetrators and bring their sorry asses to justice. Everything else you say on the subject is stupid, pointless, and cruel. Stop talking.”

“Invite women who have experienced these horrific acts to come to share their stories, without fear, and listen to them. Just stop talking.”

In Jesus, God experienced this terror. And that’s what causes me to love Christ in the midst of God’s silence.”

“If you believe humanity ultimately is depraved, and that only a preordained few are to receive God’s sovereign grace, this is fertile ground for seeing much of the world as ‘less than.’

“No person can truly know the will of the Creator, other than we are called upon to love one another.”

“This unknown thief pops into the end of the story just to mess it up by asking, ‘Remember me.'”

White and aging denominations like my own, the Presbyterian Church (USA), might want to tune into future discussions and developments in the Republican Party.”

Do Christians favor the falsehoods, or the accurate observations that are in the light for all to see?”

“You’ll notice that the prophets don’t spend any time blaming poor people for their situation or trying to help them through stern lectures.”

“The Christian leaders of the US of 2020 will be comfortable with a place at a very diverse national table, not ownership of the table.”

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  • Ursula L

    “This unknown thief pops into the end of the story just to mess it up by asking, ‘Remember me.’”

    Obligatory Doctor Who reference, to the end of “Asylum of the Daleks.”

  • Magic_Cracker

    “Today, virtually anyone can claim a list of religious ideals, take in children and subject them to punishment and isolation that verge on torture — so long as they quote chapter and verse to justify it.”

    How many kids have to die (or “only” be abused) before legislators realize “You can trust me with unchecked power because GOD!” (or, in other instances, “…because MD/PhD)!”) is not a valid argument?

    People. Cannot. Be. Trusted. With. Unchecked. Power. Ever. Full. Stop. Triple. Exclamation!!!

  • JustoneK

    I think at least part of the problem here is they think it’s checked power.  That their morality itself, which they don’t even test for, checks it.

  • Magic_Cracker

    I think you’re right. In a reality-based community, a person’s morality is tested by looking at their actions and the consequences of those actions, with intent being a slight mitigating factor at best (say, in deciding between murder 2 or manslaughter), but Florida’s religious exemptions assume morality, which rationalizes actions and consequences, however horrendous they may be, and hand-waves the most visibly egregious cases of abuse away as unintended, totally isolated incidents.

    Also, the most disheartening part of that article for me was reading about investigators going on-site time and again to the same places, but not finding any evidence and calling it a day. I have to wonder, what kind of evidence is required?

  • WalterC

    That’s very true. They also think that they’re not the ones being trusted with the power — it’s really God. They’re just a humble intermediary, like God’s attorney or press secretary or something. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Heck, I’m rather sure people can’t be trusted with ANY power! Always check and verify and question!

  • Jessica_R

    And because I’m a small, petty person, http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    I’m also enjoying http://goptears.tumblr.com/

  • Carstonio

    Welfare and indolence come up again and again in those responses. Saddening and infuriating, but also kind of rewarding, because it gives context to the low levels of melanin in the Romney vote totals.

  • Carstonio

    I might feel more guilty seeing those photos if it weren’t for Romney’s despicable appeals to racism. The campaign simply wrote off anyone who wasn’t white, rich or Christian.

  • Jessica_R

    Yeah, I feel bad, but then I remember they’re crying over gay people being able to get married, women not having to pay more for birth control, women being allowed to have birth control at all, undocumented kids paying in state tuition fees, openly gay people being elected to office, etc. etc. and then I don’t feel so bad anymore.

  • Andrea

     There’s one picture, though, of a pair of little kids sadly holding their  little hand-drawn “Mormons rock!” sign, and I cannot mock or laugh at these children.

  • ReverendRef

     I liked this so much that I posted this comment over on my own blog.  Nicely done.

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    This chart shows why that was a bad idea:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2012/11/white-nonwhite.jpg

    Chart showing the white-nonwhite voting percentages by party since 1968; for Democrats it’s approaching parity, going from a high of 84/16 to 56/44 in the last election. For Republicans it’s been holding steady at about 90/10.

    from article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/president-obama-and-the-white-vote-no-problem/

    Just one in every ten Republican voters were non-white. That is the story of the 2012 election.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     So, I look at these people crying or speaking their hyperbolic fears about the outcome of the election, and I feel sad for them. I feel bad that they’re so miserable over this, so hurt and scared and in pain.

    And then I remember that if things went the other way, if it was “blackpeoplemourningobama” with republicans reading it, they’d be laughing, taunting and mocking.

  • Tricksterson

    Wow, that makes Victor look positively coherent.

  • http://twitter.com/shay_guy Shay Guy

    So what’s in the bottom-left corner of that graph?

  • cminus

    I was thinking “crabby hermit”.

  • Jurgan

    The bottom left corner of the graph you posted is occupied by selfish plutocrats.  There’s nothing people can do for them because they’re already rich, and (therefore?) they treat them like crap.

  • Jessica_R

    And on a more positive note, I love this photo, not the least because of the expressions on the onlookers faces, *that’s* the difference between the two parties, rejoicing when others rejoice vs. it’s not enough to win, someone has to lose. 

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/11/photo-of-day_8.html#disqus_thread

  • Thrownaway

    It makes me sad to see some of those people are so afraid.

  • Lliira

     Fear leads to most of the worst evils in the world, and yet I am not sad. Because I am not an exceptionally nice person. I don’t want people who are attempting to stomp me into the dirt to be happy. Once they stop trying to stomp me into the dirt, then they can be happy. And they’d be much happier if they stopped trying to stomp other people in the dirt, too.

    As it is, it’s like watching a big strong man throw a tantrum over something ridiculous and petty, punch a tree, and break his hand. Ha-ha. Also, I’m glad he wasn’t able to punch a person this time.

  • Worthless Beast

    *Blinks at the graph* 

    Too simple, doesn’t account for certain kinds of people.  Where is the “honorble misanthrope” on there, for instance?  Just because one might be kind and do for others doesn’t necessarily mean that one would feel comfortable calling oneself a “Humanist.”   Even if I didn’t believe in silly things, I still wouldn’t call myself a Humanist because I think that takes a faith in Humanity I just don’t have.  And just because scratching others’ backs is practical for social function doesn’t mean I even particularly *like* my own species.

  • Jessica_R

    I think this about sums it up, Romney apparently had no concession speech just in case, but he did have a $25,000 8 minute long victory fireworks display ready to go, http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/08/mitt-romney-planned-boston-harbor-fireworks-show-that-was-scotched-election-loss/qmgtVKPq4zNnDyb9FbLWeJ/story.html

  • EllieMurasaki

    I am increasingly certain that he seriously believed that he and his supporters had bought enough votes and suppression of Democratic votes and changing of Democratic votes to Republican to guarantee him not only victory but a substantial victory…and Obama’s support is just that overwhelming.

  • Jessica_R

    Pretty much. Which really makes the top down cleaning house all the sweeter. I’ve had a few days to think it on it, and I really think this election was a resounding rejection of “It’s not enough that I should win, someone else has too lose.” 

    It wasn’t just just LGBT people fighing for their rights it was straight people rejecting the idea “the only reason my marriage is special is because gay people can’t get married”. It wasn’t just women fighting for our rights it was men rejecting the idea “it’s not enough insurance will pay for Viagra with no complaints, they shouldn’t have to pay for birth control at all.” We looked out for each other Tuesday night, and it was heartening to see. 

    @Andrea, oh absolutely little kids are off limits. But I dearly want to see a photo of the Romney son who “wanted to take a swing at Obama” when the election got called. His salty, salty expression would be one for the ages I bet. 

  • EllieMurasaki

    Hey, they called Florida. What’s that give Obama, 332 electoral votes?

  • P J Evans

    I think this about sums it up,

    And to complete the picture, Romney had the campaign credit cards closed down while his campaign workers were going home. They found out when the cards were refused at the end of their cab rides.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Jesus Christ. The guy’s worth $100 million all on his own and he’s that much of a fucking cheapskate.

    Holy brass balls.

    EDIT: Confirmed.

  • Lori

    You’re way off. That guy is worth somewhere between $190 & $250 million all on his own.

    Anyone who thinks he’s a good person and would have been a good president really needs to think long and hard about what this move with the credit cards says about him. And then catch the clue that the US just dodged a bullet, because Romney is a complete asshat.

    To be clear, I don’t feel sorry for the staffers because those people were trying to put that guy in charge of our country. They deserve worse than being stuck paying for their own cab fare. (I do feel bad for the cab drivers they no doubt stiffed on the tip.) I still think that moves says a great deal about (R)money and why he would have been a terrible president. He really is an even worse human being than W. I can’t believe we let someone that awful get so close to the White House.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I repeat: Romney-supporting superPACs, organized suppression of voters from Democratic-leaning demographics, and that NSA analyst’s findings to the effect of a whole bunch of races where ten percent of votes cast for Democrats were counted for Republicans. We did not let Romney anything. He and his supporters made a concerted effort to steal the election, and we did not let him.

    I wonder what Obama’s margin of victory would have been had this election contained no vote theft, no voter suppression, and election spending within reasonable amounts. Also what Congress would look like.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    I wonder what Obama’s margin of victory would have been had this election contained no vote theft, no voter suppression, and election
    spending within reasonable amounts. Also what Congress would look like.

    So, there seem to be only a few possibilities here.

    One is that we have compelling evidence that Republican vote theft/suppression is a significant factor, but the Democratic Party doesn’t have that evidence. That seems implausible.

    Another is that the Democrats do have that evidence, but for some reason have decided not to challenge it publicly, even though that means losing seats in both Houses and risking losing the White House. I’m not sure why on Earth they’d be willing to do that, and all the answers I can think of suggest far worse things than the vote theft/suppression itself.

    Another is that the Democrats have challenged it publicly, and I just haven’t noticed. I’m willing to believe that.

    Another is that we don’t have compelling evidence that it’s a significant factor. I’m willing to believe that as well.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Or nobody’s had enough time to double-check the NSA guy’s data and analysis. Which is where my money is, since it hasn’t been all that long since he published.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     

    Or
    nobody’s had enough time to double-check the NSA guy’s data and
    analysis. Which is where my money is, since it hasn’t been all that long
    since he published.

    Fair enough. I’ve been seeing the claim that votes are being systematically stolen by the Republican party for at least eight years now, but it’s certainly possible that only now is it being made with compelling evidence which is too recent to have yet been acted on.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    There are a lot of people who believe that it is more important that the public thinks that they can trust the voting process than it is that the voting process actually be trustworthy.

    If you think that, it is more important to hold fast to the position that vote stealing is limited to isolated incidents, a few bad apples that were all quickly caught and corrected, rather than a systemic problem. Because if there were a systemic problem, then we would have to admit that we have no clue who the fuck should be running the country.  And most people could not cope with that.

    This is exactly the thinking that goes into the security of electronic voting machines: it’s more important that they can’t be *shown to be fallible* (by letting independent experts audit the code, or with extensive paper trails) than that they actually be secure (This view is easier to understand if you start out by believeing that it’s actually impossible for any system to be perfectly secure; if flaws will exist either way, it’s better that we maintain the illusion that the election won’t be stolen than that we cop to the fact that the election will TOTES BE STOLEN AND THERE’S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT)

    (A similar thing is the fundamental principle of the TSA. For the TSA to appear to be effective, they would need to first show us that we were, in fact, in terrible danger all the time and only through their vigilence did planes not crash into buildings daily. And if you believed that the TSA actually *was* thwarting hundreds of terror attacks every year, would YOU ever get within a hundred miles of an airplane?)

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     

    There are a lot of people who believe that it is more important that
    the public thinks that they can trust the voting process than it is that
    the voting process actually be trustworthy.

    Fair enough… but are there really a lot of people who think public confidence in the voting process is so important that they are willing to lose their jobs rather than challenge an untrustworthy process? I can’t decide whether I think that’s admirably civic-minded or mind-numbingly wrongheaded. Both, perhaps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    From what I’ve seen, it seems more likely that the choice would be between challenging and keeping jobs, rather than between challenging and losing jobs.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     I guess I’m just deeply confused, then.

    It seems to me that if I believe that the Democratic Party has compelling evidence that the Republican Party is engaging in voter fraud to steal elections, and they are choosing to remain silent in order to preserve voter confidence in the system, it follows that Democratic politicians are willingly choosing to lose their jobs rather than challenge the system.

    How do you see it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Oh, I was thinking of people working for the voting machine companies, Ohio SoS, liaisons between candidates & those others, and the like.  The ones who would actually have to know, if there were anything going on.  It’s all too easy to imagine Democrats having no evidence even if there were plenty of hanky-panky going on.  (And yes, go too far down that road, and you end up in Conspiracy Theory Land.)

  • EllieMurasaki

    I am given to understand that it is harder to jailbreak an iPhone than to hack an electronic voting machine. It is entirely possible that voting machines got hacked and absolutely no one except the hackers know about it.

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    Sure. Apple really does care about security (I’ve worked there), because the users and the people giving them money are the same people.

    I don’t know a single software engineer who’d use a voting machine if there’s any other option.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     > It’s all too easy to imagine Democrats having no evidence even if there were plenty of hanky-panky going on.

    Ah, I see. Sure, I agree with you, it could be happening without leaving compelling evidence.

  • Lori

    On the voter suppression issue, in a real way we did let him. This is hardly the first time in recent memory that the GOP has done this and yet we did pretty much nothing to stop it from happening again. If we don’t do something this time the GOP will, without a doubt, do it again and keep on doing it until they actually successfully steal a presidential election.

    Some folks need to go to jail. Ohio’s Secretary of State needs to lose his job. I’m not sure what needs to be done about f’ing Florida, but something surely does. All that needs to happen well in advance of the 2014 election season. Clearly none of that is going to happen if people don’t push for it.

    We also need to be pushing to change the way redistricting is done. It’s not like gerrymandering is new. It’s also not like no one has figured out how to manage the problem. We just haven’t pushed hard enough to make it happen. It needs to be nonpartisan and organized around creating sensible districts, not safe seats.

  • Ursula L

    I wonder what Obama’s margin of victory would have been had this election contained no vote theft, no voter suppression, and election spending within reasonable amounts. Also what Congress would look like.

    Going by Nate Silver’s numbers, pretty much what it was.

    The various voter suppression laws and efforts  had the potential to suppress votes.  They did not have the potential to skew poll numbers.  When the two are in alignment  we can be confident that any efforts to thwart the process are not statistically significant.  

    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t worry about efforts to suppress the vote, or make voting difficult, or skew the process. 

    Voting shouldn’t be made any more difficult than necessary.  

    But, even when voting is made more difficult than necessary, the fact that the people in line in Florida stuck it out and voted anyways shows us that people will make the effort to vote even when it is difficult.  

    And I really want to send the poll workers at my voting station, and others in my area, down to Florida two years from now, because I got to the polling station around 6 pm, and overheard one of them commenting that this was the busy time, as people were voting after work.  And I was in and out in less than half an hour, voting on a paper ballot that was electronically scanned.   This doesn’t have to be a long or difficult process.  

    My voting experience:

    Go to my polling station.  

    Table 1, to find which of the four districts that this station serves I was in, so I could go to the right table.  A poll worker at that table, to help if needed, with a list of addresses for each district.  No line.

    Table 2.  Two workers here, the first to look people up in the voter registry book, the second to tear a paper ballot out of a book and give the first the number on the stub left behind to record on the registry (the number is not on the ballot, so it is anonymous when used.)  A short line, five or so people in front of me, but the married couples using the same last name were looked up together in the book, which is alphabetically organized, and this saved time.

    Table 3.  Four large tables, with dividers, where eight people can fill out their ballots at once.  I don’t like this, it is not as private as the old mechanical voting booths were, with their curtains.  There is one older couple where the husband seems to be disabled, and his wife is helping him, and no one seems to think to intervene to ensure his control of his vote.  

    Table 4.  Wait to have my ballot scanned.  3 people in front of me in line.  

    ****

    Going by what I saw, the threat to free voting is not from the voting process.  It’s a domestic threat – a spouse “helping” the other, and people accepting it as natural that this sort of “help” takes place.  I don’t know, for the couple I saw, whether or not the “helping” spouse was influencing the vote of the person they were “helping.”  I do know that this shouldn’t be an issue.

    But this is the same problem we see with the shift towards voting by mail and routine use of absentee ballots in non-absentee situations.  When a ballot is mailed to someone’s home, it is no longer secret.  Any abuse or coercion within the home now controls the voting process.  And other people, such as employers, have the possibility to demand to see ballots, and to coerce people in how those ballots are filled out.  

  • Lori

     

    But, even when voting is made more difficult than necessary, the fact
    that the people in line in Florida stuck it out and voted anyways shows
    us that people will make the effort to vote even when it is difficult.  

    I have nothing but respect for the people who stood in those horrible lines in Florida, but I’m not sure we should over-generalize. I think what the Florida situation showed is that people will stand in line to vote when they perceive that someone is making the situation difficult in order to deliberately prevent them from voting. This year the GOP stopped even trying to pretend that they weren’t attempting to suppress the vote and it ticked people off. If the GOP had been more subtle I think past history shows that they could have gotten a lot more people to go home.

  • Ursula L

    I have nothing but respect for the people who stood in those horrible lines in Florida, but I’m not sure we should over-generalize. I think what the Florida situation showed is that people will stand in line to vote when they perceive that someone is making the situation difficult in order to deliberately prevent them from voting. This year the GOP stopped even trying to pretend that they weren’t attempting to suppress the vote and it ticked people off. If the GOP had been more subtle I think past history shows that they could have gotten a lot more people to go home.

    Of course.

    My point was that we have an objective way to judge whether the election is being stolen by suppressed or coerced votes.  We can compare the best possible statistical analysis of polls to what actually happened.  

    And when we do that, it tells us that, despite efforts to suppress the vote and disqualify legal voters, it didn’t happen.  

    We still need to put an end to efforts to suppress voting. 

    But we don’t have to be paranoid about this particular election’s results in order to see the need to make the voting process better.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    One thing I thought spoke even louder about his character as a potential president than the credit card business was his (supposedly) not bothering with a concession speech, only a victory speech.  Do we really need another president who never bothers with a Plan B?  (Contraception jokes aside.)  Remember being greeted as liberators with open arms?

  • EllieMurasaki

    While I think that’s supporting evidence for the contention that he’d bought, stolen, and suppressed enough votes that he was figuring on a ten-point victory.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    To be clear, I don’t feel sorry for the staffers because those people
    were trying to put that guy in charge of our country. They deserve worse
    than being stuck paying for their own cab fare.

    It wasn’t right of Romney to stiff the people who’d been pulling for him, though. And it wasn’t like it would have been that much out of pocket for him, honestly, if his campaign budget didn’t cover it.

    I mean, no matter how repellent the dude is the campaign folks were working for, the fact is they were collecting a paycheck like all of us do, and Romney’s attitude about them is like a self-centered CEO’s on steroids.

    They didn’t deserve to be tossed aside like so much trash without even a couple days’ grace to have one last blowout and then turn in the campaign cards. :(

    So yeah, I feel sorry for them. ‘Cause the fish rots from the head.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    There’s room for more than one person to be in the wrong there, though.  Just because one is wrong, doesn’t mean the other must be right.

    Have you considered cutting off the head?

  • Lori

     

    It wasn’t right of Romney to stiff the people who’d been pulling for him, though.  

    No, it wasn’t. That was my point. It’s one thing for him to treat the commoners he doesn’t know like crap. Romney’s supporters seem to see that as a plus. The fact that he would treat the people who worked so hard for him that way ought to be a wake up call even for the folks too dumb or too dead inside to have been bothered by the 47% comment.

    I mean, no matter how repellent the dude is the campaign folks were
    working for, the fact is they were collecting a paycheck like all of us
    do, and Romney’s attitude about them is like a self-centered CEO’s on
    steroids. 

    A fact which should have been obvious to them long before election night. You don’t get a lot of credit from me for only noticing that a man is a mean-spirited, selfish, greedy SOB when he turns on you.

    They didn’t deserve to be tossed aside like so much trash without even a
    couple days’ grace to have one last blowout and then turn in the
    campaign cards. :( 

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one (see: above)

    So yeah, I feel sorry for them. ‘Cause the fish rots from the head.

    I don’t. Because this fish head was rotten before they signed on to be it’s guts.

  • Jessica_R

    Ha! I just posted a link to that in another read then saw this post. Yeesh. The really sad thing is I don’t think even W would have done that. I think he would have given a 24-48 hour heads up at least. Hell, I can even see him saying “Fuck it, go nuts this weekend and turn them in on Monday, not my problem anymore.” 

  • everstar

    I do not know what to make of the tweet posted on GOP tears where a woman says she’s moving to Australia because “their president is a Christian and actually supports what he says.”  Like that meme says, “Cannot tell if trolling or serious.”

  • Fusina

    I think my favorite moment in the results was when Pennsylvania went blue.

    Take that Turzai. And get rid of your stupid unnecessary voter ID laws. They delivered Nothing!

  • EllieMurasaki

    The voter ID law wasn’t technically in effect, so we can’t actually say what effect it had. The publicizing of the law with no mention of the fact that it didn’t apply to this election, that clearly didn’t do a real good job of suppressing Democratic votes, but the law itself wasn’t in play. If it’s still on the books by next election (and it had fucking well better not be–follow up on that ‘by the way we’ve got to fix that’, Mr. President, and that means dealing with the voter suppression and vote buying and vote theft as well as with too-long lines at the polling places), then we’ll see.

  • http://twitter.com/seanpalmer Sean Palmer

    Thank you so much for the link. Terribly important conversation.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Just one in every ten Republican voters were non-white. That is the story of the 2012 election.

    This…. isn’t really news. It’s been known for a long time  (since the mid 1990s at least) that at the very least, blacks have conistently been 80-90% Democratic in their voting patterns.

  • Daughter

    But non-white doesn’t just mean black.  The share of the Asian and Latino vote Obama receied this year were historic.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Fair point. Romney has committed astonishingly bald-faced incidents of faux pas: cracking nasty jokes about if he was Hispanic he’d have made out like a bandit because lol welfare, and trying to change the color of his face for Univision, and so on.

    It’s that kind of unthinking racism that really lays bare the Republican contempt for anyone who isn’t white.

  • Carstonio

     Yes, that was my point. Obama’s numbers look like the teens from Captain Planet and the Planeteers. I chose that analogy not by accident, since a columnist once lambasted the show’s “left-wing agenda” and fumed that the US team member was shown as less informed on environmental concerns than his teammates. Romney’s numbers look like a typical corporation’s board of directors, 20 white men plus a token woman or minority member.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I thought that was on purpose because using the show to educate its viewers on environmental issues by means of educating some other member of the ensemble would require the audience to sympathize with that other member of the ensemble, who would not be both white and male and who would also not be USAian. And of a certainty this same commentator would have thrown as loud a shitfit about having to sympathize with a not-white-US-dude.

  • http://hummingwolf.livejournal.com/ Hummingwolf

    The Whole Romney Ticket Believed in Unskewed Polls?

    Some people make jokes about reality having a liberal bias, but it appears that actual candidates who were taken seriously by a large segment of the press and the public really don’t want to accept thatwhole reality thing.

    Come over to the reality-based community.  We have cookies.

  • WalterC

    I always thought that Unskewed as viewed as a joke even by right-wingers. He was consistently arguing that Romney would crush Obama in almost every swing state, even the ones that traditionally leaned towards Democrats and never favored Romney in any poll. He was far beyond even what Rasmussen was putting out, and Rasmussen is often accused of having a conservative bias as well. I didn’t realize that anyone actually used that guy as a serious statistician, any more than they used Newt Gingrich or Jim Cramer.

  • Tricksterson

    Speaking of polls, where’s aunursa?

  • EllieMurasaki

    He skipped out before the polls closed Tuesday, saying he didn’t think his presence would be productive or some such shit. Shame; I kinda wanna ask him what he thought of Nate Silver before the election and what he thinks of him now.

  • Tricksterson

    Come on aunursa, be a mensch and face the music!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Whatever you do, don’t type his name two more times.

  • Lori

    Hiding out until the next LB thread. He didn’t feel that post-election conversation with us would be productive, regardless of who won. Which, from his perspective, is no doubt true. His guy lost and his party is now legislatively irrelevant in the state in which he lives.

    His reasons for voting for Romney are too sensitive and super secret to share with the class, so he might have been happy about some of the other election outcomes. Or he might be off crying in his beverage of choice because all is gloom and misery.

  • Jessica_R

    And yeah I’m with Lori. It’s like the White People Mourning Romney Tumblr. I should be a bigger person but Romney’s staffers are people who apparently have no problem with defunding Planned Parenthood, think it’s outrageous some people have an expectation to eat, are happy to keep gay people second class citizens, and cosign Paul Ryan’s hideous “budget”. You lie down with a snake don’t get outraged when you get bit, and hard. 

  • Greenygal

    The original source for the credit card thing also offers up this gem, talking about the day afterwards: “Ann Romney’s remarks brought several staffers to tears as she told the
    assembled group that they would always be part of the fabric of the
    Romney family.” 

  • Lori

    Ann just didn’t mention that it was the part of the fabric used to diaper the family’s many offspring and to cover the bed of the family dogs.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    So she was lulling them into a false sense of security, as well? Nice team those two make. Ann’s like the lying, inept manager who lies to the employees’ faces while Romney’s the CEO giggling about having security escort them all out on a Friday so they can’t make a scene. And of course the huge fat bonus check he just hauled down for himself after ruining fifty Christmases in one go.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Fifty? You think small, don’t you?

  • Consumer Unit 5012

      “Ann Romney’s remarks brought several staffers to tears as she told the
    assembled group that they would always be part of the fabric of the
    Romney family.”

    Specifically, the part of the family that gets tied to the top of the car on family trips.

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    Aides to Romney said they were optimistic he would be receptive to a sincere offer from the president to work together

    I’m sure that someone has already said this (and better) before me, but . . .

    What?!?

    Wow, I’m sure that Barack is on the phone right now to the former governor of Massachusetts who couldn’t even win the state he used to be governor of and whose main claim to fame is founding a company that encourages (I possibly dare even say “forces”) its subsidiaries to drown in debt.

  • Jessica_R

    When he said she would have made a great first lady in his concession speech,  I thought to myself I had a dollar for viewer who also said “no she wouldn’t” out loud I could buy a yacht of my own. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    This Open Letter to the Queen of England gives that Australian one a run for its money, though certainly isn’t quite such a concentrated dose of wrong facts.
    If you dare, you can see the original at the Free Republic.

  • Lori

     

    If you dare, you can see the original at the Free Republic.   

    Noooooo. Don’t get out of the boat.

    Seriously, Free Republic is ugly. If you’re not familiar with the Freepers style of “discourse” and you haven’t already had a heavy dose of fortifying caffeine this AM, and/or you would like to retain a shred of faith in your fellow humans I’d recommend against wondering over there. Sometimes it really is best to just stay in the boat.

  • WalterC

    I think the whole “If my guy loses the election, I’m moving to Canada/UK/France” flounce doesn’t work as well for conservatives. Considering how far their partisans have shifted to the right, you could easily argue that Canadian or British conservatives would be considered radical Bolsheviks if they were here. From their perspective, the US adopting the culture and laws of the UK would be far worse than anything Obama would do even if he implemented every proposed policy he has come up with so far today.

  • Carstonio

    In my experience, the vast majority of people I’ve heard use that flounce over the years have been on the left side. I haven’t heard any on the right side use it this week, and you’re right that it would be very strange. I remember when the caning punishment in Singapore was in the news, and some rightists here said that nation had the right idea. Not much different from the Monty Python riff about reactionaries among average UK citizens wanting Ian smith in charge of their country.

  • WalterC

    Yeah, I know. It works with leftists (it’s still kind of silly and childish) because at least theoretically the Canadian system or the UK system is closer to what they want than Bush was, or Romney would have been. But if you’re a right-winger, it’s going to be hard to find a government that leans further right than the US in the UK or Canada. 

    Oh, and as far as “I haven’t heard any on the right side use it this week”, I’m having a hard time viewing the plea to the Queen of England to take the US back by conservatives at the Free Republic as anything other than an especially creative version of that flounce. OK, sure they’re not literally saying that they are moving to the UK, but they’re saying that being part of the UK would be better for them than living under Barack Obama’s Stalinist regime. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    …I’m having a hard time viewing the plea to the Queen of England… as anything other than an especially creative version of that flounce.

    Actually, not creative in the least.  I’m sure I’ve seen that letter before, with some simple phrase substitutions, probably in 2004 or 2008.  It may even have been coming from the other side.  Or not.

  • Lori

     I think it’s more typical for conservatives to flounce in place so to speak, by saying that they’re going to move to some sparsely populated corner of the country and go Galt or full-on survivalist. I saw one hysterical winger going on about renting or selling the house and bartering for goats.  Because obviously the current president winning a 2nd term means that you need to obtain goats immediately, if not sooner.

  • Tricksterson

    Well, now that gay marriage is getting more respectable goats will be at a premium dince, as all coservative bloogers seem to believe, goat marriage is the next logical step.

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    I liked the comment someone made over on Making Light to go-Galt flouncers: “Don’t let the invisible hand hit you on your way out.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Now that you mention it, I suppose a Freeper link ought to have come with a more explicit warning, like we do for TV Tropes (which will ruin your life), but the threat is of a completely different nature, of course.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     All the ‘fun’ of Freeper Madness without having to wade through the boring parts:

    http://freep-impact.blogspot.com/

  • Lori

     

    Oh’ and then there will be calls for another stimulus only this time
    I’m quitting my job and will sit on my ass for two years if it’s
    offered.  
     

    I sometimes forget how terrible ill-informed and stupid Freepers are about really basic things.

    Dear Freeper,

    Word to the wise: it will not be offered. You can’t collect unemployment if you quit your job, food stamps have no cash component and it’s very difficult to receive the kind of public assistance that does involve cash.

    So go on ahead and quit your job, but plan on parking that ass of yours on someone else’s sofa or under a bridge because the free ride you envy those lucky ducky poor people for getting is pretty damn bumpy.

    Yours,

    A Member of the Reality Based Community

  • Tricksterson

    And once again you have a bunch of right wingers pleading to join a country which has gun control, gay marriage (or at least civil unions) and a national health care system.  Are they really that fucking ignorant?

  • D9000

    I’m re-reading Huckleberry Finn at the moment, because the books I’m supposed to be reading are making my head to hurt, and last night I read Pap Finn’s rant against the government:

    “Call this a govment! why, just look at it and see what it’s like.
    Here’s the law a-standing ready to take a man’s son away from him–a
    man’s own son, which he has had all the trouble and all the anxiety and
    all the expense of raising. Yes, just as that man has got that son
    raised at last, and ready to go to work and begin to do suthin’ for HIM
    and give him a rest, the law up and goes for him. And they call THAT
    govment! That ain’t all, nuther. The law backs that old Judge Thatcher
    up and helps him to keep me out o’ my property. Here’s what the law
    does: The law takes a man worth six thousand dollars and up’ards, and
    jams him into an old trap of a cabin like this, and lets him go round in
    clothes that ain’t fitten for a hog. They call that govment! A man can’t
    get his rights in a govment like this. Sometimes I’ve a mighty notion to
    just leave the country for good and all. Yes, and I TOLD ’em so; I told
    old Thatcher so to his face. Lots of ’em heard me, and can tell what I
    said. Says I, for two cents I’d leave the blamed country and never come
    a-near it agin. Them’s the very words. “Sounds kind of familiar, doesn’t it?

  • Carstonio

    Sounds kind of familiar, doesn’t it?

    Yes, and the rest of the rant about a free black man is even more revealing. The whole rant is redolent with misplaced entitlement. Almost like Twain could foresee the Southern Strategy approach to politics.

  • D9000

    Pap Finn would fit right in at Free Republic, except he wasn’t much for religion. 


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