GOP rolling out new 50-state strategy for 2014

• Republicans unveil start of nationwide 2014 outreach campaign to attract women voters.

Brian Kilmeade of Fox News does his best to promote the effort.

• Arizona Republicans begin 2014 outreach campaign to attract Latino voters.

• Florida Republicans begin 2014 outreach campaign to attract Muslim voters.

• Maine Republicans begin 2014 outreach campaign to attract minority voters.

• Tennessee Republicans begin 2014 outreach campaign to attract women voters.

  • Lliira

    And if your ancestors genuinely supported hate and oppression, it isn’t
    respect, in any way, to stick with their party.  (Which is why I’m not,
    quite literally, a Nazi.)

    And why I’m not pro-slave ownership.

    In the past couple decades, a lot of historical work has been done with James K. Polk’s brother’s estate regarding slave ownership. I’m a descendant of that brother. So are some distant cousins in Alabama whom my mother visited a couple years ago for the first time — we didn’t know they existed before. My branch of the family has light pink skin. That cousins’ branch has brown skin. That they welcomed her warmly says some amazing things about them. I’d rather respect them than our common ancestor, thanks.

  • vsm

    This is a good post.

    There are actually Marxists involved with OWS. I’ve read some of their writings, and they offer pretty good analyses. Other Marxists rather disagree with them. Here’s a good interview with a Marxist aligned with the movement: http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/3627

    In general, the worst a left-winger can do is help marginalize Marxists and other left-of-center folks, because all that does is move the Overton window further to the right. Even if you disagree with them, it’s much better to let them be the far-left instead of becoming it yourself.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    It’s kind of funny how the left has disowned any kind of Reichstag Fire analogies out of some kind of patriotic self-preservation. It’s in the writings of the PNAC folks – they NEEDED some kind of good, shocking terrorist act to be able to get their agenda.

  • WalterC

    I think it’s probably a good call. Motive isn’t evidence in and of itself. After all, Obama needed a valid birth certificate to be eligible to run for President, but that doesn’t prove that he faked one and placed it with the Hawaiian authorities. Before you accuse someone of doing anything like that, you should have solid evidence; anything less is spreading rumors and if you do that it only discredits you and your movement (deservedly so, in my opinion).

     Thank
    you for this. I’ve been down to OWS a few times, and have worked with
    people involved there, and the news coverage trended towards 1) Dirty
    hippies have (sometimes non consensual) sex and throwing trash
    everywhere, 2) no one having a clue as to why they’re down there (“OWS
    has no goals!” “Here’s a manifesto…” “OWS has no goals!!” 3) something
    something private property something something. . .

    If anything, the fact that OWS didn’t have an obvious, prefabricated agenda right off the bat speaks well of them in my opinion. Organic grassroots movements rarely come with pretyped model legislation ready to go, and you should always be suspicious of (ostensibly) spontaneous protests that coincidentally happen to line up neatly with the stated goals of a prominent mainstream party. It’s not necessarily astroturfing if you’re not like that, but it makes it less plausible.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    Is it similarly true that the worst thing a right-winger can do is marginalize the Tea Party and similar conservative extremists? Or is the dynamic there different?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The Tea Party was totally astroturfed. My spidey-sense started tingling the instant they started sprouting up as if from nowhere and instantly getting media attention.

  • Lori

    If one’s objective is to move the Overton Window to the Right then marginalizing the Tea Party probably is a bad idea.

  • P J Evans

     Well, they’re still hoping for the Cold War to come back, so they can threaten their enemies with nuclear destruction.
    Why, yes, I do think they’re evil people.

  • P J Evans

     CNN was paying for a bus for one group. which is about as far into the tank as a media organization can get, and I’m surprised they still have any credibility.

  • vsm

    Historically, the US right has benefited greatly from supporting extremists, like how McCarthyism succeeded in permanently making socialism a dirty word, which I suspect is one of the many reasons the US is so far to the right of other Western countries. We’ll see how their play with the Tea Party works out, though. They appear to have suffered a setback in the last election, but 2010 was good for them and they have made far-right discourse almost mainstream. However, that much radicalism is not a good thing for the more reality-based factions of the Republican party who just want to exploit the working class in peace and don’t much care for fascism. So in short, it depends on what kind of right-winger you are.

  • Paul Durant

    Yeah, those radical OWSers.  Nothing like pointing out that the current system is crap and that its pretty much big finance’s fault to really be out-there-out-of-touch radicals… 

    Hi, thanks for being exactly, specifically the kind of asshole I was talking about. OWS started as “pointing out the current system is crap and it’s pretty much big finance’s fault.” That was when it was a movement most people looked on with sympathy. As the protest went on, it filled up with the full-time protestors who blight every vaguely leftist event, and they pushed the focus away from “let’s fix what’s broken” to “let’s abolish capitalism altogether and make anarchist communes and free Mumia and blah blah blah.” Decisions started to be made by those damn hand-gesture “consensus building”, which is among the worst ways you could possibly design to run any cause or organization; it had literally no ability to make tough or unpopular decisions whatsoever. OWS could accomplish nothing.

    The protests dragged on and on, the camps got smaller and smaller, the actual 99%-ers leaving because they have lives and can’t waste time sitting around accomplishing nothing but waggling their hands around. The voices of the coffeehouse Communists, already too god damn loud, became the only ones around, and as usual they started purging each other for being insufficiently pure. Every scrap of relevance the movement once had to “the 99%” was dead and gone within a couple months. Every average Joe and Jane had left and stopped caring when it became clear it was a monkeyhouse that could neither demand nor accomplish anything.

    And then the same god damn people have the audacity to act like anyone who is fed up with their self-indulgent philosophical masturbation MUST be a crypto-conservative trying to quash opposition. No. We didn’t get sick of OWS because we don’t care about the 99% — we got sick of OWS because OWS stopped caring about the 99%, and went back to the same pseudointellectual faux-revolutionary horseshit. During the time of the OWS protests/campouts, Egypt and Libya rallied their people together to throw off actual, literal dictatorships, facing far more opposition than just their media. The fact that YOU couldn’t motivate the people to join or care about your cause means you no longer had a cause that they cared about, and blaming the media for it is childish and cowardly.

  • P J Evans

     I seem to recall that OWS was trying to get those “full-time protestors who blight every vaguely leftist event” to either get with the movement or go away, and the same for the ‘black bloc’ and the anarchists,who were causing a great deal of trouble.
    Most of those protestors who show up for every even are, in my area, LaRouchies, who aren’t really leftist at all, just crazy (no insult to mentally ill people intended).

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The main problem is that left-wing movements in general tend to go by the maxim of “diversity of tactics” which is a non-phrase that really amounts to abdication of any attempt to get control over messaging.

    That being said, it’s interesting that no one central figure has come out ‘in charge’ of the Tea Party, and for all the racist dog-whistles the movement’s member use in abundance I don’t see the Paul Durants of this world deriding the Tea Party for tolerating the fringe elements of that movement.

  • Lori

     

    Every scrap of relevance the movement once had to “the 99%” was dead and
    gone within a couple months. Every average Joe and Jane had left and
    stopped caring when it became clear it was a monkeyhouse that could
    neither demand nor accomplish anything.   

    Sure. Which is why no one involved with OWS  is trying the rolling jubilee thing or supporting striking bakery workers or helping victims of Sandy or working to block foreclosures.

    And if you say that those things are not really OWS, despite calling themselves OWS and having grown out of OWS’ original protests then you’re just Not True Scotsmaning in reverse by saying that if something is good it can’t really be part of the group in question.

     

    And then the same god damn people have the audacity to act like
    anyone who is fed up with their self-indulgent philosophical
    masturbation MUST be a crypto-conservative trying to quash opposition.
    No. We didn’t get sick of OWS because we don’t care about the 99% — we
    got sick of OWS because OWS stopped caring about the 99%, and went back
    to the same pseudointellectual faux-revolutionary horseshit. 

    I have no idea what your personal issue is with OWS, but this has now wondered quite far afield of the issue of media coverage of OWS.

     During the
    time of the OWS protests/campouts, Egypt and Libya rallied their people
    together to throw off actual, literal dictatorships, facing far more
    opposition than just their media. The fact that YOU couldn’t motivate
    the people to join or care about your cause means you no longer had a
    cause that they cared about, and blaming the media for it is childish
    and cowardly.  

    Oh for fucks sake.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    What state was this? I know some of the Republicans running for Congress in Washington state actually seemed halfway decent. They had an ad campaign for awhile about how they were supporting gay marriage.

    You just said it.  

    I will grant that a lot of eastern Washington tends to be vote reliably Republican, while western Washington* tends to vote reliably Democrat.  However, due to the larger population west of the Cascades, the state as a whole tends to be weighted to the Democrats.  For a Republican to get into office here, they practically need to be moderate, and sometimes take the stereotypical liberal side on a lot of issues, if they expect to actually get enough votes to hold office.  

    * Washington’s tech and aerospace industries have produced a lot of nouveau riche people since the eighties, who live in the urban centers of western Washington, among whom the Republicans have more support, so western Washington is not entirely Democrat, but the population as a whole tends to swing that way.  Especially since those same nouveau riche tend to lean liberal on social issues which might alienate them from southern Republicans even if they have common economic ideals.  

  • Paul Durant

    I don’t see the Paul Durants of this world deriding the Tea Party for tolerating the fringe elements of that movement.
    Oh, get the fuck over yourself. You literally just saw me do that a few posts ago talking about how the Republican party is collapsing into a neutron star of pure anger and insanity. That just happened. And you didn’t realize it because you, once again, didn’t read the words posted by someone you had already decided you disagreed with, and responded to what few words you skimmed over and your smug idea of what a Bad Wrong Person would have said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-McGraw/100001988854074 Patrick McGraw

     

    You’re joking. (O_O)

    I’m from Ohio. It’s no joke.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I looked at the post you indicated. You said nothing about the Tea Party specifically, which has a “wing” that is a mass movement of angry white senior citizens waving signs saying “Get the Government out of my Medicare”.

    Also? I’d almost forgotten your scintillating introduction to this here blog.

    Too bad, your intervening posts were astonishingly reasonable until you decided to have a shitfit at me and your tone reminded me of the last time you decided to triple down on the MRA talking points.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I’m a little stunned that anyone could think Romney actually had command over the armed forces or could have in any way been in a position to give the orders that led to the death of Osama bin Laden.

    What’s always interesting is the memory-hole effect in which Dubya Bush can say a few days after Sept 11 2001 that the USA will spare no effort to find and track down the leaders of Al Qaeda, including OBL, and then, later on… it is not ‘a priority’.

    But hey, it’s okay as long as rich people get another tax cut. *rolls eyes*

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    O’Reilly: Black Voters Don’t Believe In ‘Self Reliance’ Or ‘American Exceptionalism’

    Considering that the doctrine of Manifest Destiny* was promulgated and executed by white politicians for their aggrandizement and domination of this continent, a doctrine that patently ignored the plight of black slaves and the existing Aboriginal peoples on this continent…

    I’m really not surprised that blacks wouldn’t believe in American Exceptionalism. (Although I’m sure many do; they’re entitled to believe whatever they want. O’Reilly just thinks they don’t exist.)

    What does surprise me is that O’Reilly is so ludicrously out of touch with this basic fact that he universalizes this ideology and assumes anyone who doesn’t believe it is perforce not a real American.


    * The forerunner of American Exceptionalism, as it was an ideology that explicitly assumed that the US government had the right to rule all of North America as the USA was supposed to be uniquely favored in history.

  • vsm

     

    Because we all “just know” Republicans are automatically the best at
    catching terists. And Democrats are all just lily-livered wimps. (even
    though there is plenty proof to the contrary)

    Indeed. Democratic presidents entered both world wars, used atomic weapons against civilian targets, had wars in Korea and Vietnam and bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq. Regardless of one’s opinions of these actions, they were certainly not pacifist.

  • Carstonio

    In fact, most of the complaints I hear about how the media is broken these days boil down to “The media is entirely beholden to corporate interests and won’t cover anything unless their right-leaning corporate masters approve.”

     

    Very true. That’s a typical liberal complaint about the media. My point is that this complaint is about perceived content and financial benefit. The typical conservative compliant is about perceived team allegiance, a simple-minded accusation that the media favors the other team. 

  • Carstonio

    Any white person who claims that blacks don’t believe in self-reliance should just drop the pretense of not having hooded sheets stashed somewhere in the house.

  • Paul Durant

    I looked at the post you indicated. You said nothing about the Tea Party specifically, which has a “wing” that is a mass movement of angry white senior citizens waving signs saying “Get the Government out of my Medicare”.

    I talked about how the Republican party is being driven off a cliff of insanity, and anyone with a brain stem knows that madness is being driven by the Tea Party. You smugly insulted me for not criticizing the right, I pointed out this was exactly what I did, and now you’re saying “well it doesn’t count because you didn’t use the words ‘tea party’.” Sorry, I didn’t feel the need to specifically mention the Tea Party by name when talking about the right’s dash to madness, in the same way I don’t feel the need to mention “By the way, it’s rather moist” every time I talk about water.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     

    The forerunner of American Exceptionalism, as it was an ideology that
    explicitly assumed that the US government had the right to rule all of
    North America as the USA was supposed to be uniquely favored in history.

    You know, though, I am not sure when right-wing types talk about American Exceptionalism and how great and true it is and how those horrid minorities and not-Real-American types don’t believe in it, the thing they’re talking about is what we think of when we talk about “American Exceptionalism”.  I think they may not mean anything more than a sort of vague sense of “America Is Teh Awesome”

  • Lori

    I think they may not mean anything more than a sort of vague sense of “America Is Teh Awesome”   

    I think this is true. I don’t think the typical person getting all up in arms about the DNFs and the “takers” not believing in American Exceptionalism has any idea what it means. Pretty much the same way that folks who rave on about the Constitution so frequently demonstrate that they haven’t actually read any of it other than the 2nd Amendment and Article II, Section 1.

    My current favorite being the Tea Party guy who came up with the brilliant idea of getting Romney into the White House by persuading enough members of the electoral college to refuse to vote to prevent the college from having a quorum, which would throw the election to the House, which would give it to Romney.

    Aside from being a fairly breath-taking show of contempt for democracy, it’s also a total fantasy. Something which anyone who has actually read the Constitution and loves it a fraction as much as the Teas claim to would know because there’s not one word in it about an electoral college quorum.

  • Tricksterson

    The People’s Choice by Jeff Greengield is an excellent, if fictional, account of something like that happening.  There are safeguards at both the federal and many states level to prevent that.  Basically if an elector refuses to vote at all he/she can be replaced, the mechanism of the replacement depending on the state.  Likewise in some, though not all states if she/he decides to vote differently than they’re pledged to.

  • Tricksterson

    Oops, that’s Jeff Greenfield

  • Turcano

    Also, it kind of ignores the fact that a majority has a quorum by default if they all show up.  All that would accomplish is to emulate Cartman in saying “screw you guys, I’m going home.”

  • EllieMurasaki

    Define ‘quorum’. If a quorum is sixty percent, then if a simple majority show up, they can’t do squat.

  • Turcano

    Judging from the survey given on the Wikipedia article, most countries that use a quorum define it as a simple majority or less (Canada’s current quorum is effectively 6.5%).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    I heard that the author of that piece (for the World Net Daily) was actually a man called “Judson Phillips”, who is (according to Wikipedia and other sources) an attorney who graduates from the University of Memphis. I assume that the University of Memphis does not list him among their notable alumni in their advertising…

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Considering how you have insistently and belligerently demanded exacting specifics of arguments when it suited you to do so, you haven’t got much of a leg to stand on trying to claim that one thing you said can be interpreted to imply another.

  • Tricksterson

    Also while the House elects the President in such a situation, the Vice President is not automatically his running mate but picked by the Senate, which is of course controlled by the Democrats.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    *snerk* Joe Biden would have a field day needling Romney, I bet. :P

  • WalterC

    That would be a great sitcom, or a movie with Will Farrell.

  • Lori

    Oh, that would be priceless.

    Speaking of Romney and funny—as the vote totals continue to come in his share of the popular vote has continued to fall. As of today he’s down to 47.485% of the popular vote. Which rounds to 47%.

    That just warms the cockles of my heart. I hope he’s somewhere pumping his own gas and eating his nasty, plutocratic heart out, the asshat.

  • Paul Durant

    Do you even remember what you’re supposed to be giving me shit for? Do you remember further than one post into the history of this conversation or does it all collapse into a warm, vague haze of you being totally right and awesome and everyone who disagrees with you being wrong and stupid? 

    By the way, “asking you provide any evidence whatsoever that the thing you are saying is true” is not “belligerently demanding exacting specifics”. This is a common misconception among fundamentally dishonest assholes whose only sincere interest in any conversation with someone they disagree about anything with is to use it as another flimsy pretext to publicly masturbate about how fucking smart and moral and filled with righteous contempt they are, so I can see how you were confused.

  • WalterC

    No but seriously, it would be a great movie. President Romney and Vice-President Biden spend the first few weeks of their terms bickering and playing pranks on each other, but then they have to get serious and work together when they become fugitives after a coup or attack on their Inauguration Day. At some point they’ll get handcuffed together and do that thing when they are being chased by the bad guys and then Biden tries to run to the left and Romney tries to run to the right and because they’re cuffed together they end up not being able to move at all. It’ll be some kind of metaphor or something for partisanship, but it also has to be slapstick.

    I don’t know who the bad guy should be though. I’m thinking Cyborg Osama, but it’ll be even better if it’s someone completely unexpected, like Chief Justice John Roberts or Newt Gingrich or even Secretary of the Agriculture Tom Vilsack.

    There should also be a scene where Romney and Biden are on the roof of something and there are ninjas all around them and they have to fight back to back and do like Matrix style flips and stuff.

    Directed by Brett Ratner.

  • WalterC

    Oh, and I forgot — there should also be a scene where they hook up with Obama and Ryan and the four of them launch a raid on the bad guy’s fortress.

  • Lori

    This is a common misconception among fundamentally dishonest assholes
    whose only sincere interest in any conversation with someone they
    disagree about anything with is to use it as another flimsy pretext
    to publicly masturbate about how fucking smart and moral and filled with
    righteous contempt they are  

    You’d know.

    Yes, we remember the fact-free, but persistent MRA-fest with which you introduced yourself to us.

    Yes, we’ve noticed that your main topic of conversation is how those people (for various values of “those people”) have done you wrong by not being what you expect or what you’re just sure they’re supposed to be or by not respecting your authoritah or whatever the gripe is today.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Indeed. Democratic presidents entered both world wars, used atomic weapons against civilian targets, had wars in Korea and Vietnam and bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq. Regardless of one’s opinions of these actions, they were certainly not pacifist.

    I remember this post by Gary Brecher a few months ago.  His tone is a little coarse, but his analysis comes across as pretty straightforwardly honest.  

    The gist of it being that administrations like Obama’s are actually pretty good at waging wars, but they are poor at “cheerleading” them.  By contrast, administrations like Bush II’s are great at selling the idea of war, but poor at actually executing them.  

    This might be something that follows a pattern between Democrat and Republican administrations in general.  Though I would generalize it less to the specific parties, and assign it more to conflicting cultures.  One side of the culture is all macho, concerned with showing off our strength and projecting power just to show all that we can.  The other side of just sees war as a problem to be solved, either by avoidance or expedient execution.  The first side likes the idea of war, likes to see it ongoing, while the second side sees it as something to try and efficiently bring to a conclusion.  

    The two ideals are mutually exclusive, and anyone who wants to simply end a war (even through quick victory) would be seen as “weak” by the other side for not wanting to continue the conflict.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     @FearlessSon: And you know your party is in trouble when their philosophy on war sounds like a villain monologue from ‘Metal Gear Solid’.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    I think this is true. I don’t think the typical person getting all up in arms about the DFHs and the “takers” not believing in American Exceptionalism has any idea what it means. Pretty much the same way that folks who rave on about the Constitution so frequently demonstrate that they haven’t actually read any of it other than the 2nd Amendment and Article II, Section 1.

    Indeed, I might even go as far as to say that quite a lot of the time, right-wing talking heads actually have no idea what they’re saying nor do they care; they’re pure Pavlovian creatures just making noises that get them fed without any understanding of what the words mean. Hence, say, Herman Cain saying that he supports a woman’s freedom to choose but that abortion should be illegal — the words didn’t mean anything, he just knew that “freedom” and “abortion should be illegal” are both things that get you applause.

  • Tricksterson

    Oh and also, I forget if it’s just the senate, just the House or both (honestly when you get to this level of the Constitution you gotta wonder if Robert Anton Wilson was right about the ounding fathers smoking weed) but the vote is not by all the members but by state.  Each state gets one vote which means the states delegation has to hash it out.

  • http://dumas1.livejournal.com/ Winter

     According to the 12th Amendment, the House votes by state, but the Senators vote individually.

  • Paul Durant

    Yes, we remember the fact-free, but persistent MRA-fest with which you introduced yourself to us. Your refusal to read the multiple sources I provided does not make my argument “fact-free”. Did you even remember that that happened? Or did you retrieve the memory as “This person is bad and wrong and stupid, because I disagreed with them. When bad and wrong and stupid people make arguments, they are fact free. Therefore, this person must have made a fact-free argument.”?
    Yes, we’ve noticed that your main topic of conversation is how those people (for various values of “those people”) have done you wrong by not being what you expect or what you’re just sure they’re supposed to be or by not respecting your authoritah or whatever the gripe is today. Yes, I have noticed the self-righteous liars who infest this comments section like to jump on me when I criticize something they ideologically aligned with, at which point they start lying about what I said, lying about what the people I criticized did, jumping from incoherent half-argument to incoherent half-argument because they totally forget what they said or read more than one post ago, and pretending this represents a failure on my part.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

     http://www.orwelltoday.com/duckspeak.shtml

  • Lori

    Oh, for crying out loud. If the comments are so infested with self-righteous liars then why are you here? Aside from the obvious pot/kettle/black issue, that is?

    You certainly aren’t in any position to critisize others for lying or for jumping from ncoherent half-argument to incoherent half-argument. As I said, we remember your MRA-fest.

  • http://www.nicolejleboeuf.com/index.php Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

     …Wow. Thank you for the link, which I reproduce here for the general good. I don’t think I’d read that comment thread. He started with “the gender pay wage gap doesn’t exist, because when you control for all these factors it’s too small for me to care about,” and then he went on to “stupid feminists are why we can’t have nice things”, and that’s before page 3 of a 10-page comment thread.

    It’s not a matter of “this is a bad and evil person, don’t listen to them”; it’s a matter of “this person is capable of stunning leaps of illogic in the flavor of sexism, so why should I listen to them?”

    Why indeed.


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