Never side with the boss against the people who handle your food

“Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day” was a nasty display of tribal solidarity against outsiders — Eat More Chicken to show your support for the religious freedom of hating gay people. It was a weird, but briefly profitable, stunt for the chicken chain.

But the half-hearted attempt to create “I Stand With Papa John’s Day” presents a whole new level of hazard.

It’s one thing to ask someone to prepare you a chicken sandwich as an expression of your dislike for gay civil rights. It’s something else entirely to ask people to prepare and deliver you a pizza as an expression of your contempt for the people who prepare and deliver your pizza.

Or, as TBogg says:

Just tell the Papa John’s employee on the phone that you support John Schnatter and that your deepest hope is that the employee never gets adequate healthcare, and you’ll not only get free delivery, but a little something extra on your pizza.

Regardless of your politics: Never take sides against the people who handle your food.

More on the anti-worker dishonesty of pizza baron “Papa John” Schnatter from CJR.

* * * * * * * * *

One perk that comes with having mind-bogglingly vast amounts of money is that you don’t have to worry so much about spending it effectively.

“I don’t mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one.”

Fossil fuel companies paying shills to promote their climate-change denial propaganda can afford to slosh that money around all over the place.

So, sure, having their hired hack E. Calvin Beisner parroting their spiel for the radio audience of the American Family Association may seem like a waste of propaganda funds. After all, how many of Bryan Fischer’s listeners were really on the fence about climate change?

But on the other hand, Beisner works relatively cheap, and he’s always willing to say whatever it is they want him to say without any regard for facts or integrity.

So they may as well keep him on the payroll.

* * * * * * * * *

The National Rifle Association is not an organization for gun-owners, but for gun-manufacturers.

It was in the interests of those corporations that the NRA spent Obama’s first term warning of a super-secret, super-tricky black-president conspiracy to take away everyone’s guns in his second term.

That nonsense is paying off following the election:

In the days after the election, gun sales apparently spiked, according to WITN in North Carolina.

Fears of strengthened gun control laws apparently instigated the buying frenzy.

The profits from those frenzied sales is what the NRA is all about. Not the interests or rights of gun owners. And not the Constitution.

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  • MikeJ

    The National Rifle Association is not an organization for gun-owners, but for gun-manufacturers.

     This is partially true, but they are first and foremost a group to support republicans.  In the recent election they had a choice between a candidate that had actually signed gun control legislation into law, and one who won’t make the slightest move to piss off gun freaks.  Guess which one the NRA supported?

    Making money for arms traders is just a bonus.

  • Gotchaye

    I don’t know if it makes sense to look at it that way.  Even self-interested gun manufacturers don’t necessarily want to show support for the candidate who’s been better for gun manufacturers in the past, for two reasons:

    1) There may be reason to think that candidates’ past records aren’t representative.  A President Romney would not have pushed for gun regulation, and probably would veto gun regulation passed by Congress if Democrats were to win large majorities in 2014 or 2016.  Obama doesn’t seem inclined to push for much, but would probably not veto anything.  And any Supreme Court justice Romney appointed would almost certainly take a more expansive view of the 2nd Amendment than one Obama appointed.

    2) Obama has been absolutely fantastic for gun manufacturers, but they can’t very well say that.  I’m sure their sales are much stronger now than they would be if Romney had won, but that’s because they’ve convinced a lot of people that Obama is coming for their guns.  Overtly supporting Obama would have hugely damaged their ability to sell guns to people who fear that soon it won’t be possible to buy guns.  It probably makes good business sense for the NRA to demonize whichever party is more likely to win, given that very few politicians seem at all interested in passing legislation that would seriously damage gun manufacturers.

  • Münchner Kindl

    More on the anti-worker dishonesty of pizza baron “Papa John” Schnatter from CJR.

    This sounds rather depressing – if all chains, not only Papa Johns, but Burger King and McD and the rest, say similar things about getting around Obamacare with tricks, and if most big restaurants (in addition to the fast-food only chains) also want to shaft the workers instead of going along with reality – then the customers have little choice.

    Calling for a boycott works if one company is bad, or worse then the others, or if at least one company is good. If all companies are bad (= fighting against Obamacare on the backs of their workers) then consumers have no alternative besides not eating out in general, which is not really an option for many people.

    Still, I hope that the number of people who boycott Papa John on that special friday is far greater than the number of idiots who support this dick move. (And that the numbers can be traced and compared to a normal friday or the effects of friday + coupons).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    Fortunately, the CEO of Denny’s came down like a ton of bricks on the schmuck who dishonored the chain.  Said schmuck back-pedaled RIGHT quick.

    In fact, as soon as the rumor hit about the ObamaCare surcharge hit, the CEO replied to Facebook posts (!) with a link to a page expressing his displeasure with said schmuck.  Got to give him props where props are due.

    And, remember, CostCo has been supporting ObamaCare since day 1.

  • Persia

     That’s pretty cool about Denny’s. Good to know.

  • aunursa

    Calling for a boycott works if one company is bad, or worse then the others, or if at least one company is good.

    Calling for a boycott can work if the effect of the boycott exceeds any pushback.  In other words, only if the company’s potential consumers who support the boycott greatly outnumber the consumers who oppose the boycott and who would organize a buycott. In many cases, a call for a boycott to punish an offending company has the ironic consequence of backfiring by increasing the offender’s customer base and profits.

    Attempted boycotts by the right against companies perceived to be left-wing in general, and “gay-friendly” in particular, such as Disney and Starbucks, were collossal failures because (1) even among those who sympathized the positions of the boycott organizers, most valued the company’s products and services much higher than any care they might have had about the company’s positions on political/social issues; and therefore, (2) the number of consumers who would support such a company via a buycott greatly exceeded the number of consumers who supported the boycott.   And the irony goes both ways.  That’s why proposed boycotts of companies perceived to be conservative or “anti-gay,” such as Chik-fil-A and Papa Johns, are likely doomed to failure.  Another reason is that (except for a few cases) most consumers don’t base their purchasing decisions on a company’s actions or political advocacy.*

    If partisans on the right dislike buycotts and appreciation days for liberal and gay-friendly companies, and if partisans on the left don’t like buycotts and appreciation days for conservative and “traditional values” companies, then they should find other means of expressing their disapproval.  I believe that it’s rare for a politically-based buycott or appreciation day to arise that is not a direct response to a call for a boycott.

    * Perhaps contradicting my point here, I note that I maintain personal longstanding boycotts of Wal-Mart and Exxon.

  • Kiba

    Regardless of your politics: Never take sides against the people who handle your food.

    This. I’ve been a waiter twice and I never understood how some patrons could treat us so badly. I never saw* anyone add anything to an order, but I can’t say that the food was handled with the greatest care either. 

    *Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just that I didn’t see it. 

  • Robyrt

    Just one more reason why our employer-provided health care system is terrible. Papa John’s has a financial incentive to avoid paying for its employees’ health care, and for every company publicly saying so there are a dozen who will silently be cutting back on hours. The only downside is that such a move could hurt employee retention, but in the fast food business you are not terribly worried about retaining top talent anyway.

  • http://profiles.google.com/gottlieb.paul Paul Gottlieb

    I suspect that from now on, as long as he lives, when John Schnatter goes into a restaurant–whether it’s a humble diner or a Michelin three-star palace–if he’s recognized, someone in that kitchen is going to spit in his food

  • Citizen Alan

    I’m still stunned that this jackass Schnatter expected people to be outraged at the idea of the cost of health insurance increasing the cost of his nasty pizzas by the “shocking” amount of ten or twelve cents. I (and probably lots of other folks) thought “really?!? that’s it?!? for less than an extra quarter a pizza, this billionaire can immeasurably improve the lives of the people who work for him and he’s too damn greedy to do it?!?”

    Intellectually, I know that most corporations and especially most food service corporations are run by horrible people who would serve rat droppings to score a little extra profit. But I simply cannot abide corporations run by people bent on proudly showing the world just how horrible they are. I feel it will just encourage the rest to be even more awful. Ergo, Papa Johns now goes on the list with Chik-Fil-A of stores I will not patronize under any circumstances.

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    I’m still stunned that this jackass Schnatter expected people to be outraged at the idea of the cost of health insurance increasing the cost of his nasty pizzas by the “shocking” amount of ten or twelve cents.

    Get this: last year they gave out 1 million free pizzas in promo deals. This year they’re planning on 2 million. The amount they’d need to spend for health insurance? Equal to 1 million free pizzas.

  • Joshua

    If he were to read this, you’ll give him ideas:

    One million pizzas delivered to the lawn of the Whitehouse with a sarcastic note, “Here’s your stinking health care!”

    Are these actually good pizzas? Maybe Obama would be pleased.

  • Lliira

    Are these actually good pizzas?

    No.

  • Tricksterson

    Pretty good as chains go.  Much better than Dominos, not as good as HoP’s or Papa Ginos

  • Rhubarbarian82

    I’ve been to two gun shows since the election, and yeah, the vendors have had two of the best shows of their lives. My friend asked the ones he was buying stuff from and they all agreed Obama has been fantastic for their business. 

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with another ammo shortage like we had in 2008-9.

  • Persia

    One of the big manufacturers in my work community makes guns, and they’ve had a great couple years. I am full of mixed feelings; on the upside, they’re a nice company and the community really needs jobs. On the downside, racism and xenophobia is fueling the sales.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    Fred: Thank you for citing one of my favorite lines from Casablanca that doesn’t get nearly enough love in comparison to all the other oft-quoted lines from that movie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    My two favorites are “Be careful — there are vultures; vultures everywhere” and this exchange between the German couple “practising their English” : 
    “Liebchen, what watch?”  
    “Six watch” 
    “Such watch!” to which Karl says “I’m sure you’ll do fine!”

  • Tricksterson

    My favorite is when Ilsa is threatening Rick with a gun and he says, with deadpan sincerity, “Go ahead, you’ll be doing me a favor.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    That (and “that is my least vulnerable spot”) are among the most quoted though. I was going for the equivalent of “I think you’re gay!’ “No I’m not” from the Holy Grail.

  • PorlockJunior

     Citation needed! I was trying to refresh my memory of the Casablanca scene, and came up blank after a good bit of YouTube searching.
    Can anybody point to the place in the movie? Not that I’d mind watching the whole thing again, but sometimes one has too much to do.

    But I did like the out-take that has a couple YT appearances.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    I have a problem.  I know of a service that I truly believe can save people money, but when I’ve posted about it (on Facebook mostly), I’ve gotten very little response.  I want to know why I’m not able to connect — it’s not even about who buys what, but even getting “I looked at it and it doesn’t apply to me”.  ANY response would be nice.

    This is especially hurtful when it’s from people I’ve known here for years, and have encouraged and supported (in whatever small way I can) with whatever’s going on in their life.There have been a few replies and I thank them for that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ericrboersma Eric Boersma

    Iced tea business not doing so well? ;)

  • LoneWolf343

    My Dad, who had never owned a gun as long as I had been alive and even repossessed a gun that grandma bought, is talking about getting a concealed carry ever since Obama was re-elected. I with that I didn’t have to live with him, because then it would just be hilarious instead of making me fear for MY personal safety.

  • Joshua

    And totally offtopic, I find I’m being made redundant soon. A lovely early Christmas present from the company I (still technically) work for.

    However, I can use the fact that my doctor wants to cut bits off me that look a little dodgy to keep my employment problems in perspective. In fact, if I play it right, I can use my mortgage to keep my mind off my health, and vice versa, and maintain my usual sunny disposition throughout the next few months.

    Heigh ho.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    Best of luck to you.  Hope you find [re-]employment soon.

    I don’t quite understand why lay-offs occur at the end of the **THIRD** quarter instead of the fourth.  In addition to making more financial sense, this would make corporations look a LITTLE less like scum-bags.

  • Joshua

    Thanks. In my case, we are just near the start of the fiscal year of my company, so it makes sense financially. Being seen to be scum-bags doesn’t really seem to be a problem to these guys.

    I wished the guy an early Merry Christmas at the end of the meeting. My colleagues certainly caught the insult. I expect he did too, although he had a good poker face.

    Your link gets filtered out by my work nanny censor, btw. This maybe a factor for some people.

  • Dash1

     I’m very sorry to hear that. Best wishes for a quick return to employment. Seeing words like “bits,” “redundant” and “dodgy,” I at least have hopes that you are located in one of those sane countries where not having current employment needn’t mean your health care goes all to hell and gone?

  • Joshua

    Thanks.

    I live in New Zealand, which is at least passes for sensible, provided “Middle Earth” and “rugby” aren’t mentioned.I will need to either give up private health care or pay for it myself, but that’s not the crisis that it may be for some people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Riastlin-Lovecraft/100000678992705 Riastlin Lovecraft

    *hugs* Add me to the list of people hoping you’ll get another employment soon. We’re here for you in the meantime (and afterwards too, I guess)

  • Joshua

    Thanks.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    For what it’s worth, Papa Johns is a franchise, whose shops are independently owned and operated. John Schnatter was not threatening to reduce employee hours. He was offering the idea up as a piece of advice to the independent franchise owners looking to weasel out of paying for health care.

    Which means that he basically has nothing to gain or lose in this: he threw out the idea purely to be a douchebag. (And wouldn’t the individual franchise owners only be employing a couple dozen people each, and therefore be exempt?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    On the Pizza Wars — anyone in LA, I recommend La Pizza Loca.  It’s a local “chain” of about 5 stores, and their pizza is GREAT!  They offer Carne Asada and Chorizo as toppings, and have a Pizza Mexicana, as well as the usual suspects.  Plus, free 2-liter Pepsi product with delivery!

    High praise!

  • Jessica_R

    As long as we’re throwing in favorites:

    “Careful this gun is aimed right at your heart.” 

    “That’s my least vulnerable spot!” 

    I keep making this statement and it’s depressing me, but if I wrote something about a CEO bitching about 12 extra cents to cover his employee’s healthcare I would rightly get taken to task for creating a straw man out of a Marxist tract. And my editor would be right in saying that no reader would buy someone that one dimensional and horrible. But there you go.

  • stardreamer42

     Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.

  • Arresi

     Well, Newsies exists. So it’s not impossible.

    On the other hand, musical historicals might be a difficult genre to break into. ;)

  • aunursa

    Someone flagged my comment as inappropriate for some reason.  And it appears that it has disappeared.  Anyone know how long it should take until the moderators review it?

  • Dash1

     Does anyone review comments?

    Give it another shot, paraphrasing perhaps. Sometimes, I think, particular turns of phrase get picked up and toss a comment into moderation, whence it may never return, but I don’t know how that sort of thing works on this blog.

  • aunursa

    Alas, it was a lengthy comment, and I simply don’t have the desire to recreate it.  In a nutshell: politically based-boycotts by the right and the left are doomed to fail because most consumers don’t base purchasing decisions on such reasons and the result is typically a buycott that negates the original effort.

  • Joshua

    I read your comment. It seemed perfectly alright to me. I’m sure it’ll turn up.

    I did notice a few other comments disappearing after I’m sure I read them. Nothing offensive there either, to me. Maybe it’s just a disqus bug. (Say it ain’t so!) Or maybe someone’s just firing off flags at random.

  • BaseDeltaZero

    I’m still stunned that this jackass Schnatter expected people to be outraged at the idea of the cost of health insurance increasing the cost of his nasty pizzas by the “shocking” amount of ten or twelve cents. I (and probably lots of other folks) thought “really?!? that’s it?!? for less than an extra quarter a pizza, this billionaire can immeasurably improve the lives of the people who work for him and he’s too damn greedy to do it?!?”

    Huh.  I heard he was threatening to raise the price by ten or twelve dollars… which, really, if  you’re that determined to put yourself out of business…

  • Lori

    No, it was less than 15 cents per pizza. Even at that it was a scam. Health care for the chain’s employees would cost something like 5 or 6 cents per pizza sold. Schnatter’s brilliant idea was to turn a profit on it while complaining bitterly about having to provide it. He’s not a douchebag, he’s a douchebag  squared.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Only tangentally related to the topic: Sgt P’s latest tale of the horrors of socialised medicine.

    I acquired a second degree burn that became infected. So I took myself off to the clinic today, where I got the wound cleaned and dressed, a course of antibiotics, a pair of crutches and a week’s worth of spare dressings. Set me back $20 all up, for the antibiotics. (If I was poor or elderly it would have been reduced to $4).

    Eeeeevvvviiiilllll!

  • Joshua

    That sucks. I hope it heals quickly and cleanly now.

    But remember, they are Satan’s antibiotics. You must take them with Holy Water. At least you have easy access to that.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Satan is alphapharm? Huh.

    My nearest Catholic church is a kilometre away and the distance from my couch to my bed is currently looking daunting, so I’m going to have to stick with my free evil fluoridated tapwater. May God have mercy on my soul.

    (And thanks. But it doesn’t really suck. This is a good story!)

  • EllieMurasaki

    My nearest Catholic church is a kilometre away and the distance from my couch to my bed is currently looking daunting, so I’m going to have to stick with my free evil fluoridated tapwater. May God have mercy on my soul.

    You can make holy water with a water jug, a rosary, and the right incantation. (It’s on the Internet somewhere, but the gist of it is you’re exorcising whatever demons might be in the water.) You don’t even have to be a Christian–Dean on Supernatural does it all the time, starting long before he had any reason to think God’s real.

    Or, you know, you could boil the hell out of it.

    *hides*

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Superheated liquids led to my adventure in the first place, so I’ll give it a pass ;)

  • P J Evans

    Ouch.
    Did that to myself once. (Fortunately, it didn’t get infected, so only topical antibiotics were needed. I was a lot more careful with that tea kettle after, though.)

  • Matri

    *gasp* Quality healthcare at an affordable price? Begone, demon!

  • The_L1985

    My Canadian aunt came down for (American) Thanksgiving last week.  She was complaining about how “socialist” Obama was.  At one point Obamacare as “socialized medicine” came up.

    I pointed out that the main changes Obamacare made (other than the birth-control issue, which she, as an elderly Catholic, probably won’t agree with me about) were: 1. Requiring more people to have private or company health insurance, and 2. Preventing health insurance companies from denying you coverage outright for having a pre-existing condition.

    “You mean you don’t even have single-payer?”

    “Nope.”

    She seemed pretty upset about how bad the American system is after that.  I guess when you’ve had real socialized medicine for decades, you start to realize how good it actually is.

    The saddest part:  This same aunt is in the process of becoming a U.S. citizen, because she wants to escape “liberal” Canada.  The main reason I’ve heard is that Canada allows gay marriage–THE HORROR!

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Oh dear. People like your aunt really make me go D: at my fellow citizens.

    What did she think she was getting into? It’s practically an article of faith up here that the US health-care system is a total clusterfuck.

  • Dash1

    This same aunt is in the process of becoming a U.S. citizen, because she
    wants to escape “liberal” Canada.  The main reason I’ve heard is that
    Canada allows gay marriage–THE HORROR!

    Tell your aunt that Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New York, the District of Columbia, and especially the citizens of Maryland, Maine and Washington State all say “Hi!” We appreciate her desire to join us in these great United States and would like to draw to her attention that if she keeps herself to Alabama and Mississippi she should be able to live same-sex-marriage-free for at least a good 10-20 years.

    (In the meantime, would Canada accept a trade?) 

  • Kiba

    Don’t forget Texas. 

    The state constitution prohibits marriage between same-sex couples. Amended in 2005 to read: “(a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman. (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.” See Texas Constitution, Article I, § 32.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I find myself curious to see what would happen if Texas courts, like Vermont courts, required either the extension of marriage to same-sex couples or the creation of a legal status for same-sex couples that’s marriage in all but name. I doubt that’ll happen, because I’m confident the US Supreme Court will make marriage equality a nationwide thing when they rule on that cluster of cases that they’re about to review, but it’s interesting to contemplate.

  • Kiba

    Yeah anything similar to marriage is a no go. And if you get married in a state that does allow same-sex marriage and move to Texas and eventually decide to divorce…good luck with that. Texas says that since it does not recognize same-sex marriages you can’t get a divorce. We currently have two such cases waiting to be heard by the Texas Supreme Court. 

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Doesn’t that violate full faith and credit?

  • EllieMurasaki

    It should, but DOMA.

  • stardreamer42

    Yes, it absolutely does. The problem is that until a court challenge gets up to a level where the judge has actually read the Constitution and overturns it, it stays in effect. There is nothing in the checks and balances to prevent a state (or, for that matter, Congress) from passing a blatantly unconstitutional law, and IMO there should be.

  • WalterC

    The full-faith and credit clause doesn’t apply to marriage, under the public-policy exception. People tried to use that to overturn the interracial marriage bans back in the day but that argument was never accepted; they had to reference equal protection and due process of law, and that’s what pro same-sex marriage litigators are having to do now.

  • Lori

     

    The saddest part:  This same aunt is in the process of becoming a U.S.
    citizen, because she wants to escape “liberal” Canada.  The main reason
    I’ve heard is that Canada allows gay marriage–THE HORROR!  
     

    Holy crap. If she’s willing to give up good quality health care in order to protest other people getting married she really hates teh ghay. Do you think that realizing that we don’t have single payer might change her mind? Does she actually grasp the implications our lousy health care “system” for seniors will have for her? I mean, I’m tempted to say that anyone that homophobic deserves what she gets but A) I doubt she would agree with me on that and B) I think people deserve decent health care even when their beliefs tick me off.

    Also, given the fairly small number of immigration slots we have, how is an elderly women even being considered for citizenship? Nothing against your aunt, but it’s unusual to accept new immigrates who are past their working years.

    Also, too it worries me a tiny bit that our lack of single payer was a newsflash. I like to comfort myself with the idea that other developed nations have a functional press (I know, I know).

  • The_L1985

    I’m not surprised. She and my parent are Fox junkies, and they won’t shut up about Obamacare being “socialized medicine.”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    They must have sprung for satellite TV then. Fox doesn’t get carried by Canadian cable providers as far as I know.

    (although there was a huge omgshitstorm when Al Jazeera wanted to be carried on Canadian cable.)

  • hidden_urchin

    Does she actually grasp the implications our lousy health care “system” for seniors will have for her?

    Yup.  My grandparents are on Medicare but pay an additional five grand a year for supplemental coverage.  My grandmother still can’t afford the hearing aids she needs.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you “the greatest healthcare system in the world.”

  • Dash1

     Ha! Call that healthcare? Saps the soul and weakens the body, it does. Now here, we get to do things like have 90-year-olds at risk of stroke wait in Emergency Rooms for upwards of 24 hours. 90-year-olds with excellent (and expensive) insurance!

    (Sorry–I tell a lie. Most of that waiting was in the corridor of an Emergency Room (strictly speaking, an Emergency Department) while waiting for an actual examining room.)

    Now that’s what the best health-care system in the world looks like, because John McCain says so!

  • AngryWarthogBreath

    I am reminded of that picture that was going around to welcome all the Republicans who swore they were going to run away to Australia. It’s true we have very few black people. We’re not good at immigration at all. But there is the government Medicare for everyone, and the unmarried atheist female Prime Minister. Though she came out against gay marriage (because… um… comets?), it’s not exactly welcoming news for conservatives.

    I do remember a Senator or Representative talking about how the NRA has a stranglehold on the government, and that no one gets a chance to speak against them without facing way too many obstacles in their way next election. I remember the droll despair of his finishing statement: something along the lines of “By the way, the reason I’m telling you all this is because I’m not running for re-election.”

    My personal favourite lines that don’t get enough play from the movie may not count, because they’re both Renault’s and Renault’s every line gets quoted; he’s the Tyrion Lannister of Casablanca. But they’re “I like to think that you killed a man. It’s the romantic in me.” and “If he gets a word in, it’ll be a major Italian victory.” That whole bit of business with the French and Italian soldier passing by Renault, and both pausing their argument for their different salutes, was all wonderfully done.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I am reminded of that picture that was going around to welcome all the Republicans who swore they were going to run away to Australia. It’s true we have very few black people. We’re not good at immigration at all.

    More than one in four Australians are migrants; more than one in three are either migrants or the children of migrants. Might you be confusing immigration wth refugee policy, or Australia with Australia of the 1950s?

    As for “very few black people” it depends on where you live, what you mean by “very few”, and what you consider “black”. Cos over the past 20 years and in several different areas a substantial percentage of my school classmates, fellow uni students, neighbours, colleagues and friends have been from India, Sri Lanka, Polynesia and Melanesia, and they all refer to themselves as black. We don’t have much of a population from central and western Africa, I’ll grant you that. But the picture you’re painting of a largely homogenous British society hasn’t been true for a few generations now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

     “I like to think that you killed a man. It’s the romantic in me.”
    From that same scene:”I came to Casablanca for the water.”
    “Water?  There is no water in Casablanca!”
    “I was misinformed.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    If anyone wants to see the site I’m talking about, it’s

    5linx [dot] net [slash] L546319

    I hope you find something useful.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Erm, not crazy about this “work at home make $$$” thing.

  • stardreamer42

     Oh, you looked? I figured it was some kind of scam like that, and didn’t bother. “Make money working from home” is one of the sure-fire indicators. Poor Jeff is going to lose his shirt (and quite possibly a number of friends, who will not appreciate being spammed about this crap).

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Yeah, my spidey-sense kinda tingles looking at that website. Probably others are also kind of wary so that’s why Jeff isn’t getting much response on it.

  • http://www.nicolejleboeuf.com/index.php Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

    Yeah, my spidey-sense kinda tingles looking at that website. Probably others are also kind of wary so that’s why Jeff isn’t getting much response on it.

    Even if it were a perfectly legit business model, I can’t imagine that the general response to “I’m really hurt that none of my friends will buy my product” is a positive one. Viewing friends in terms of their sales potential is a crappy business strategy (it’s not a good friendship strategy either), and laying on the emotional blackmail when those sales don’t come in doesn’t help.

  • Kisekileia

    @Sgt. Pepper’s: I’m in Canada, not the U.S., but here, people from central and western Africa (and similarly dark-skinned people from the Caribbean or the U.S.) are called black, and people from India and Sri Lanka (not sure about Polynesia and Melanesia–I don’t know what those people look like) are called brown. 

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Interesting. I’ve never heard an Australian refer to themselves, or someone else, as brown. “Black” is pretty unusual–it’s much more common to refer to ancestry as Indian, Tongan, Egyptian etc, but it is used occasionally. Mostly in the first person, now that I think of it. I’d only ever heard the term “brown” used by Americans, so I assumed it was a reference to Latinos cos that’s one ethnic group that’s sparsely represented here.

  • EllieMurasaki

    In my experience ‘brown’ is rarely a self-identifier, and when it is it’s generally synonymous with ‘multiracial’. The groups that most often get called ‘brown’ are South and Southwest Asians, Latinos, and Native Americans, sometimes also African-Americans, and multiracial folk whose ancestry includes at least one of the above. Not East Asians for some reason (maybe because their slightly-derogatory color term is ‘yellow’), and of course not whites. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard people called ‘brown’ in any context other than to point out a third party’s racism–in any other context it’s either the specific ethnic identifier (for values of ‘specific’ where ‘Native American’ counts and so does ‘Sioux’ even though the latter is a narrow slice of the former), ‘people of color’ (which is basically everybody who isn’t white), or something nasty.

  • Joshua

    In New Zealand, brown is sometimes used to describe Maori or Pacific Island people. I’ve never heard a use that struck me as derogatory, although I’m neither one, so maybe not best placed to judge.

    Don’t recall a Maori person or Pacific Islander referring to themselves that way. More likely to use “Maori” or “tangata whenua” for the first, “Pasifika” or the name of the country they come from for the second.

  • kisekileia

    Arabs are called brown too. Same with South Asians from places other than India and Sri Lanka.

  • PorlockJunior

    I’m still surprised at the frequent proofs that no MBA ever takes a first-year course in economics.

    “The business will just pass the expense on to the customers.” Like Hell it will. A new cost imposed from ouitside is divided according to the relative elasticities of supply and demand. Draw the fucking curves. It’s totally conventional supply and demand. As American as Adam Smith — though the more or less rigorous treatment and the graphics came later.

    The only way it can *not* be true is the failure to have a free market.  (NB: Then again, hardly any business does operate in an economic, or Smith-Ricardo, free market, as opposed to a political, or Milton Friedman when not wearing his academic economist hat, free market. Nor does anyone want to.)

    All I can say to the business community is, GET A BRAIN MORANS.

    PS: Nitpickers will claim that this proves only that *some* business types are pig-ignorant of free markets. Nix. The whole community stands by and watches, usually applauding, and never tries to correct such stuff.

    Other nitpickers will say that they’re all just lying. Hmm, maybe I’ll have to consider that.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jonjermey Jon Jermey

    “Fossil fuel companies paying shills to promote their climate-change denial propaganda can afford to slosh that money around all over the place.”

    In fact they’re so careless that they ‘slosh’ far more of it towards warmist causes and warmist lobby groups than they do towards AGW sceptics. Funny, that…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    I’ve read the comments and any response would be superfluous.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    http://www.snopes.com/fraud/employment/google.asp

    http://canadianimmigrant.ca/money/beware-of-work-at-home-scams-and-pyramid-schemes

    http://career-advice.monster.ca/job-hunt-strategy/getting-started/avoid-work-at-home-job-scams-canada/article.aspx

    You may want to actually take the time to address the concerns raised in those websites rather than assuming we’re all trying to harsh your buzz because we’re assholes.

  • WalterC

     Yeah, I think that most people are pretty well-trained nowadays to see multi-level marketing programs like 5Linx as scams. Even if it isn’t, you have to put more effort in overcoming that original skepticism because it just seems (at first glance — I’m not claiming that I studied this company thoroughly) to be another version of Amway or Primerica, two companies that aren’t exactly well-liked or respected.

    It may be a legitimate business and not a scam in the sense that Invisible Neutrino’s links depict scams (that is, outright theft) but that doesn’t mean that most or even many of the people who get involved in stuff like this end up making any money out of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    “You may want to actually take the time to address the concerns raised in those websites rather than assuming we’re all trying to harsh your buzz because we’re assholes.”

    Not doing any of those.  I’ve got a deadline after which I’ll stay with the company but not spend one dime more than what I get back; and hopefully much less.

    But I really don’t care what you think of 5linx as a employment opportunity.  I should have linked directly to the Products tab, since that’s ALL I want people to look at.  These are national brands — Sprint, Dish TV, etc.  For the energy market, it’s the same companies you’re dealing with now.   

    I know a lot of people are trying to scrimp by.  How is trying to save my friends money wrong, when it costs them nothing?

  • EllieMurasaki

    I appreciate what you’re trying to do, Jeff, I do, but why should I believe that this company is any more trustworthy as an intermediary for products and services than it is as an employer? And supposing you can produce financial statements to prove that it’s both trustworthy and sure to save me money, it’ll still feel like a scam, and I’m perfectly fine with paying a bit more money to avoid feeling like I’m falling for a scam.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    To pick up on the Amway example, you’d have to be crazy to be an Amway distributor   But a lot of people like Amway products.  Should they refuse products they like just because of the company’s structure.

    I’m not offering the “Amway Lifestyle”, I’m offering the equivalent of Amway products (but in many cases, national brands instead of Amway products, like if Amway sold Tide for a few cents cheaper.)