Chick-fil-A Biblical Family of the Day

Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy: “We support biblical families.”

Today’s Chick-fil-A Biblical Family Rule of the Day: Salvation by childbearing (1 Timothy 2:8-15).

I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.

  • Fusina

    So… I hate this section. I have seen it abused too many times. And let us not go into the amount of jewelry I generally wear to church–I don’t usually braid my hair, but I do put some pretty sparkly ornaments in it, not to mention necklaces, bracelets, rings, earrings… and my winter/rain hat is well ornamented with sparkly baubles as well.

    I also have problems with the learning in silence. What, we can’t ask questions? Because that was how it was presented. So I am guessing there is some kind of cultural stuff going on under the surface–I certainly hope so. 

  • Ymfon

    Ummm… isn’t this exactly the sort of thing Cathy & Co *do* mean when they talk about supporting Biblical living?

  • Carstonio

    Saying I hate this section is like saying that a hydrogen bomb blast is a suntan. If it were do so, it should be hung in effigy, or plowed over and then sown with salt. If you read or hear the words “I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent” and your conscience doesn’t scream out how immoral that concept is, there’s something wrong with you.

  • LoneWolf343

     There is plenty of evidence that Paul didn’t write either of the Timothy epistles.

  • Seraph4377

    Dude. There are more appropriate venues for your cuckold fantasies.

  • Carstonio

    What you makes you think Eric is slamming Paul and not our host? I assumed he was simply a troll.

  • Seraph4377

    Yes, but if they actually gave it any thought, they might realize that it undermines the “faith, not works” thing that’s so important to them. Why, it’s almost papist in its implications.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Projection, much? I’m sorry you have small penis issues, but there’s help for that. Don’t go forcing it on Fred, who has more honour and integrity in his small toe than you’ll ever have. 

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/ Geds

     What you makes you think Eric is slamming Paul and not our host? I assumed he was simply a troll.

    Seconding.  Also, I totally want to punch Eric the Red right now.

  • LoneWolf343

    It’s early, and I can’t see for crap because of eye inflammation. I see he is being a douche now.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I wonder how Timothy would have been written differently if its author had known of the midrash to the effect of, when ‘man and woman [God] created them’, it was Adam and Lilith, and Lilith insisted on her equality with Adam and Adam insisted on her subservience to him and God settled it by creating Eve.

  • Lunch Meat

    Not that I like this passage AT ALL, but I do feel like one thing is worth mentioning. The way it’s commonly translated is much less ambiguous than the Greek actually is.

    -The word “silence” in verses 11 and 12 is the same word translated “quiet” in verse 2, “that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.” If the writer is saying that women are not allowed to speak in learning situations, then he is saying that no Christian is allowed to speak ever.-Verse 12 is not “have authority”; it properly has connotations of wresting, usurping, or stealing authority.-There are other issues that I could more properly address if I had my lexicon with me.It’s still absolutely not a good passage*, and probably not written by Paul, since he DID permit women to teach. But it’s marginally less icky than it sounds when improperly translated.*I can’t stress this enough, since I don’t want anyone to misunderstand me. This is not a good passage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ann-Unemori/100001112760232 Ann Unemori

    Manboob? Not the way most people use the term.

  • AnonymousSam

    It’s not that I don’t value your opinion–but I’ll be using that bridge you’re squatting under regardless of what you have to say about it.

  • OriginalExtraCrispy

    1#: you’re a bigot and a misogynist.

    2#: insulting a family member who’s not even a part of this site is beyond the pale.

    3#: you’re still a bigot and a misogynist.

    4#: you’re rude beyond all measure.

    5#: did I mention the bigotry and misogyny?

    Go be rude somewhere else. I hear 4chan has an opening.

  • OriginalExtraCrispy

     Look, I understand how it can be scary to be confronted with something different than what you’re used to. My cats often run when they see something they don’t recognize. It’s a pretty common reaction with simple-minded creatures.

    But you don’t have to be afraid. Dealing with scary things is the very definition of bravery, so if you work at it, you can overcome your cowardice and become stronger in the end. Try it. Don’t let your fear rule you.

  • Seraph4377

    It’s probably a reference to manboobz.com, the blog by David Futrelle that regularly mocks MRA’s (of which Eric is clearly one) for their absurdity and atrocity.

  • esmerelda_ogg

    you would lash out at anything normal, elevating the wicked and
    deviant while eroding confidence in the good and beautiful, twisting
    cherished moral standards that work adequately to sustain a normal
    population into bizarre, exaggerated facsimiles manufactured solely to
    do the bidding of your freak cohort.

    - EricTheRed

    Well, Eric Boy, at least this gives us a nice clear description of yourself and your mental processes!

  • JustoneK

    This is our intimidated response team.  We are totally intimidated.  See?  Terrorfried.

  • Launcifer

    I’m in a cohort? All my life, all I’ve wanted is to join a cohort and now you tell me there’s no subscription fees or anything – in fact that I’ve been in one for years? Damnit, but this is the happiest day of my life since my local football team got promoted to the Premiership back in the late nineties.

    In all seriousness, though, what is it with this rash of folks having such a fundamental problem with a guy quoting from the same book they – I imagine – use as part of their own religious experiences and – I suspect - would likely argue is literally true? Is there some strange secondary definition of the word “literal” to which the human race at large has not been made privy? Or is there a problem with the fact that all this evil treatment of human beings is literally in there and they’d rather other people didn’t notice?

    I’d also think they’d be happy that Fred’s found actual Biblical backing for the bigotry and ingrained mysogyny they practically sweat but, weirdly, it seems they don’t like being called on that.

    Guess I’ll just wander back to my cohort (Yay!) a very confuzzled man.

  • Deborah Moore

    Exactly.  You and I may not like this passage, but I will bet Cathy & Co love it.

  • Vermic

    Ha ha you’re joking, an actual human being typed this shit?  With his opposable thumbs and everything?  Oh, The Internet, no matter how jaded I grow, you always find new ways to delight and amuse.

    Your typical outrage feminist and limp-wristed manboob flirts dangerously close to the monster threshold. Humans recoil from manjawed, mustachioed, beady-eyed, actively aggressive women and chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, curvaceously plush, passive-aggressive men as if they were the human equivalent of dog shit. The farther your feminist or manboob deviates from the normal human template, in physical and psychological form, the more monstrous it becomes to the average person.

    So, imagine you spend your days reading poorly-written MRA stuff like the above paragraph.  Lord knows there’s enough of it on the interwebs that you can easily fill your personal information bubble with it.  Imagine that this is your regular diet, to the point where it all feels perfectly normal and reasonable.  And you can read the above paragraph and understand every word, every buzzphrase and in-joke and unstated assumption, and nod along as you read, and regard it sincerely as a pithy and well-stated expression of your beliefs.  Worthy of forwarding to your friends, or perhaps even of quoting wholesale on other blogs’ comment sections.

    Now imagine what happens on the day you decide to poke your head out of your little bubble.  And believing yourself armed with awesome opinions and killer can’t-miss arguments, you burst like a hairy, manly shooting star onto a blog full of ordinary intelligent people, guns a’blazin’.   You might imagine such a day would be a recipe for abject disaster, or humiliation, or possibly just hilarity (for everyone but yourself).

    For Eric the Red?  It’s just Friday.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     

    Is there some strange secondary definition of the word “literal” to which the human race at large has not been made privy?

    Pretty much, yes. As near as I can figure it, a “literal” reading of the Bible in this sense is one which leads the reader to God’s actual intent; if it leads somewhere else, we can know it is not literal.

    So how, you might ask, do we know God’s actual intent? Well, nothing could be easier! It’s right there, in the Bible.

    But… but… how do we discern that intent from the Bible, if we don’t know the proper way to read the Bible? Oh, how you talk… of course we know the proper way to read the Bible! We read it literally!

    Well, right, but how do I know that the other guys down the block, who read it differently, aren’t reading it literally? Because they aren’t aligned with God’s intent, that’s how!

    I don’t see what’s so complicated. It’s really very simple.

  • Worthless Beast

    Even cats can get over their fears when they learn that something strange will not hurt them. 

    Back when my household moved into our current apartment, our cat was terrified of the two ceiling fans in the living room.  This was when they weren’t even on.  She’d run in terror if they were turned on. She basically lived in the back bedroom for weeks.  Now, she’s out in the living room all the time upon realizing that the circle-birds aren’t there to hurt her. 

    There must be a lesson in that for our troll, hmm?

  • Launcifer

    Well, there I was hoping there was something else going on beyond the usual, like I’d missed out on a decoder ring in a box of Crackerjacks or something. I’m still never going to be able to wrap that alleged logic, though. I just can’t.

    Oh well.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     The trick to this sort of thinking, in my experience, is to not try to construct a single common model from all of the propositions. Rather, each proposition is taken in isolation. It’s a little bit like how Escher prints make perfect sense if you’re only looking at a piece of it, it’s only when you look at the big picture that it falls apart.

  • EllieMurasaki

    So like a pointillist painting in reverse?

  • Launcifer

    Aha. Nobody’s ever put it to me quite like that before. I’ve been aware of many of the different blocks for quite some time now but I’ve never worked out how they put them all together. That explanation helps, somewhat.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=586268271 Makarios Ofiesh

    Could someone please translate this into English for me? Seriously, what does it even mean?

  • Nicanthiel

    “I’m a MAHNLY MAHN who deserves to have everything I want because of my PENIS, and anyone who thinks differently is an EVIL LESBIAN FEMINAZI or No True Man.”

    At least, that’s what I took from it.


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