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Irin Carmon: “Notre Dame’s real dead woman”

We all have heard by now how denial and institutional culture contributed to Jerry Sandusky’s ability to continue assaulting young boys for years, under cover of the Penn State football program. But once that was exposed, it was rightly considered an unambiguous evil. But the sexual assault of women can and is often explained away — including the Notre Dame donor who justified his continued support … by saying that Seeberg had been sexually aggressive, that “she was all over the boy.” In other words, it’s not just the players who are banding together around their brothers whether they’re rapists or not; it’s the adults around them who are turning a blind eye because they consider other things are more important. And they’re willing to believe anything except that these nice boys can be rapists.

Tim Murphy: “Preppers Are Getting Ready for the Barackalypse”

Humans have been preparing for the worst for millennia, but modern Americans have turned it into an art form. At the dawn of the Atomic Age, suburbanites scrambled to build backyard shelters and the government stockpiled food in anticipation of the day after. The spiraling inflation of the 1970s brought with it a spike in gold sales and backwoods land purchases. During the Clinton years, camo-clad survivalists prepared for the black-helicopter invasion, and Y2K briefly made prepperism mainstream. But perhaps the best salesman for the notion that we’re on the verge of financial, technological, and political collapse has been the current occupant of the Oval Office. Stevens says of the president, “He is the leading promoter of this without even knowing it.”

Larry Alan Burns: “The conservative case for an assault weapons ban”

Bring back the assault weapons ban, and bring it back with some teeth this time. Ban the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer and possession of both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Don’t let people who already have them keep them. Don’t let ones that have already been manufactured stay on the market. I don’t care whether it’s called gun control or a gun ban. I’m for it.

I say all of this as a gun owner. I say it as a conservative who was appointed to the federal bench by a Republican president. I say it as someone who prefers Fox News to MSNBC, and National Review Online to the Daily Kos. I say it as someone who thinks the Supreme Court got it right in District of Columbia vs. Heller, when it held that the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to possess guns for self-defense. (That’s why I have mine.) I say it as someone who, generally speaking, is not a big fan of the regulatory state.

James W. McCarty III: “Theology for the Miserable Ones: Reflections on Les Miserables”

He was wronged by his community. And, while the community didn’t repay him for that wrong, the bishop, in a mediating position, did. Valjean doesn’t just receive mercy from the bishop. He finally receives justice. He receives compensation for the countless injustices he has endured.

After this act of restorative justice Valjean is able to go revitalize a city by running a socially responsible business and governing that city with a vision of the social good that includes mercy and care for neighbors. And then, when faced with the injustice he inadvertently committed against Fantine, he spends the rest of his life making right what he helped to make wrong. This is not just a supererogatory act. It is not some act from a saint. It is Valjean’s application of his understanding of what justice demands. Justice demands restoration in whatever way it is possible.

In short, when watching Les Mis don’t stop, as Christians are wont to do, at mercy and grace. The bishop didn’t stop there and neither did Valjean.

 

  • http://jamesmccarty.wordpress.com/ James McCarty

    I’m not sure how you first came across my blog, but I’m glad you did. Thanks for sharing this post and others over the last several days! I’m glad to have connected with you over the blogosphere.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    Coincidentally, I told my son the story of Les Miz as a bedtime story tonight.

    Technically, I suppose “Don’t worry, it gets better” is the first lie I’ve ever told him.

  • Ken

    perhaps the best salesman for the notion that we’re on the verge of
    financial, technological, and political collapse has been the current
    occupant of the Oval Office.

    I was wondering why you were quoting articles from 2007, but then I clicked through…

  • AnonymousSam

    Doctor Prepper told me he’d seen copies of the draconian executive
    orders the president was about to unveil and it wasn’t pretty.

    This is the second guy now who’s hinting that he has close knowledge that Obama’s going to send the troops after American citizens.

    Somehow, I’m just not convinced. Tell you what, preppers and ‘publicans, if Obama has the troops shoot me dead, I’ll be sure and write you all an apology.

  • Carstonio

    “It’s the upper-middle white class that shows up here,” he says. “I’ve seen two or three black people and that’s about it. They never show up to these places. They don’t get it. Culturally. It’s not brainpower, it’s not color, it’s cultural. They’ve never lived this lifestyle. More important is the car with thin tires and the beautiful finish and nice clothes and rings. I’m sorry, that’s just the way it is!”

    Gee, hard to imagine why blacks would stay away from a movement that views them as vain and materialistic.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    You also have to marvel at the way this guy could probably fit in so well in the antebellum south. You could re-imagine his words thus:

    “It’s the upper ctust that shows up here,” he says. “I’ve seen maybe two or three free niggers and that’s about it. They’re not gonna show up to these places. They’re slaves; they’ve never lived the way we fine folk do, y’know. Why, if they got free all they’d do is sit around and eat watermelon all day.”

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    The movement doesn’t just view them as vain and materialistic. It views them as the enemy. Any study of this cult that doesn’t start with racism isn’t going to get much of anywhere.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Even before climate change, events like hurricanes and drought and pestilence and the plague were constants throughout history. Yet most of the cataclysms preoccupying the preppers are unlikely at best.

    This is the part that strikes me the most.  I mean, there is good and reasonable sense in keeping  a few emergency supplies on hand and knowing how to administer CPR and suture a wound.  But not for the reasons most of the preppers seem to think.  

    I live near Seattle, something like a major earthquake is a real (though unlikely) possibility.  In the event of major structural damage, I will want to make sure that I have enough fresh water if the pipes and pumps are severed, enough blankets to keep warm if our natural gas is offline, I want enough non-perishable food to keep from having to scrounge or taking imported aid food away from those who need it more desperately than we do.  Hell, if I have enough to spare, I will be more than happy to help my less fortunate neighbors.  I want them to know they can count on me, so that I can count on them.  

    Those are sensible things to do to make a plausible scenario less unpleasant for all concerned.  But thinking that black helicopters will come, or wanting to relocate to a fortified town in the middle of nowhere is just absurd.  Hell, not only is the scenario implausible, it would be counter-productive in any rate.  Should the government wish to eliminate them, such enclaves would be the first things hit by a bomb that the preppers there will never see coming.  

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    From the article:

    Getting ready for the day when TSHTF (prepper shorthand for “the shit hits the fan”) isn’t cheap.

    People who shorthand that often also talk of their BOB (Bug-Out Bags) and how they’ll maybe-sortof-possibly resist the FEMA saying in an emergency to get moving. They even talk of forging the FEMA code(s) on their doors to make the searchers think they’ve gone when they haven’t.

    I really have no idea why they fancy themselves they’re being “independent” and “individualists” when they’re really just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

  • Kiba

    What gets me is that if they really do have proof of these impending evils why aren’t they sharing them? I mean where’s the copy of this “draconian executive order”? 

    They don’t want people to think they’re are kooks? Then put up or shut up. Leak that info like a sieve. 

  • Kiba

    I live near Seattle, something like a major earthquake is a real (though unlikely) possibility.  In the event of major structural damage, I will want to make sure that I have enough fresh water if the pipes and pumps are severed, enough blankets to keep warm if our natural gas is offline, I want enough non-perishable food to keep from having to scrounge or taking imported aid food away from those who need it more desperately than we do.  Hell, if I have enough to spare, I will be more than happy to help my less fortunate neighbors.  I want them to know they can count on me, so that I can count on them.  

    Yup. I live in Texas and some form of tornado shelter really does make sense if you have the space for one. None of the houses I’ve seen around where I live have basements. My brother lives out past Lake Ray Hubbard and last summer had a tornado go right through their neighborhood. They were lucky and didn’t have much damage to their house but a lot of their neighbors’ houses were totaled. They were also lucky in that they weren’t home when the tornado went through. They have don’t have a basement, or a shelter, or a room that would be really suitable in which to ride out a tornado.  

    So I can see taking precautions for natural disasters but all this doomsday stuff just seems a bit…I dunno pointless. Or extreme. Or extremely pointless. Not real sure. I also want to know what those preppers who have medical problems plan on doing about their medications. What happens when their supplies run out and they no longer have access to their meds?

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Perhaps it should be best to think about disaster preparation in terms of regional disaster, rather than something more widespread.  Regional disasters are plausible, many of them will happen within any given lifetime (though rarely in the same place.)  It makes rational sense to prepare for things like that*, but if the country or world as a whole suddenly collapses, there is not really anything that we could do practically to survive for long anyway, and the even is so remote as to be damn impossible.  

    * In fact around places on fault lines like Seattle we have building codes that require buildings above a certain size to be reinforced against earthquakes which includes refitting older buildings with steel cross braces.  They will not necessarily protect against all seismic damage, but they will hopefully kept a building up long enough to allow the area to be cleared.

  • stardreamer42

     They even talk of forging the FEMA code(s) on their doors to make the searchers think they’ve gone when they haven’t.

    I heartily support that behavior, for anyone stupid enough to actually do it. Perhaps their heirs will have more sense.

    The “prepper” movement could learn a lot from the Mormons too, although if you suggested it they’d have a heart attack.

  • AnonymousSam

    The other guy gave a little more detail and said that he had secondhand knowledge from “one of the top generals” that Obama was now requiring military officials affirm that they would fire on American citizens or be dismissed. One would think we’d be hearing more about this than him making a Facebook post about it, but…

    https://www.facebook.com/jim.garrow.1/posts/10151209214442015?_fb_noscript=1

    I notice how no websites other than right-wing nutjob forums seem to be taking this seriously.

  • Jenny Islander

    If TSHTF, or we get TEOTWAWKI, or whatever, the people who hide from and/or aim deadly weapons at everybody who comes to the door won’t survive the first winter.  Eventually people will stop knocking and let them rot.

    Nobody can possibly have all of the skills to survive anything that could happen, and the smaller the group, the worse the impact will be if somebody is taken out of commission.  If one of your strongest guys in your group of 200 is laid up with a backache, that’s a nuisance.  If the strongest guy in your group of 20 is laid up, that’s a hardship.  If your big strong spouse is laid up and you are the only two adults in the bunker, that’s a disaster on top of the existing disaster.  And if it’s just you in there and you suddenly can’t get up . . . The one prepper whose advice I respect, back when Y2K was the big boogeyman, said that in order to survive, you have to get to know your closest neighbors before anything happens, so they’ll come check on you if they don’t see you–and you have to have a skill to trade with them after a disaster happens.  Physical therapy, perhaps.

    Most preppers don’t even talk about skills; they talk about stuff.  But what do they expect to do when they run out of stuff?

  • Veylon

    I never fail to be impressed at the people who, under their real names, are openly claiming that they’ll fight against the government on the internet. If this was a police state, half the people on there have already signed their arrest – if not death – warrants. Unbelievable. 

    How can anybody worried about government control be so foolish? Have they never heard the term agent provocateur? Do they know nothing of Communism save to link it with Obama? They are but lambs to the slaughter.

  • Nequam

    I think a most telling comment about preppers (or one of them, at least) came from this July Outside Magazine  article:

    “It would only take nine days of hunger for the women to begin prostituting themselves,” Hunt tells me…

    The writer doesn’t mention whether the man adjusted a visible lump in the crotch of his pants while saying this, but I wonder.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Wow. I thought I got really advanced bedtime stories with the Sherlock Holmes mysteries and original Dune trilogy. 

  • glendanowakowsk

    Brad Hicks posted this in 2009:  Recommendation:  Don’t hoard food or guns

  • reynard61

    “I even say it as someone whose feelings about the NRA mirror the left’s feelings about Planned Parenthood: It has a useful advocacy function in our deliberative democracy, and much of what it does should not be controversial at all.”

    Sorry, but no; the NRA may once have had a useful function (firearms training and safety education), but now it’s just a cult with a lobbying arm that uses it’s member’s dues and “donations” to subsidize the gun manufacturing and sales industries so that those industries don’t have to use their own money to lobby Congress. (I’d *LOVE* to see an audit of the NRA’s books comparing how much money they give to Congress to how much they spend for all of those “gun safety” classes that they advertise — *after* deducting the fees that they charge for those classes, of course!)

    The *ONLY* way to save the NRA from itself is for the *membership* to tell the leadership to *GET RID OF THE CULTISTS* and become an *educational* organization once more. Give the gun manufacturers and sellers the lobbying arm, *BUT LET THEM FUND IT WITH THEIR OWN MONEY!!!* (And give the cultists an ultimatum: Lobbying *or* education — but *not both!* And that should include Wayne LaPierre! If he objects, then kick him out of the organization.) Otherwise, the NRA will continue it’s current long slide into becoming a bad joke — and eventual obscurity — in the same manner that the Republican Party has been doing.

  • reynard61

    “What happens when their supplies run out and they no longer have access to their meds?”

    I get the impression that they don’t take their meds even when they *do* have access to them…

  • EllieMurasaki

    That reads as though you’re implying that people with mental illness are a problem–not that they have a (medical, morally neutral) problem, that they ARE a problem–and that people with mental illness that they decline to treat are a worse problem.

    Don’t.

  • SergeantHeretic

    Fellahs, fellahs, fellahs, remember freddo’s oft posts about live action rolep laying fantasists? That’s what these preppers are. That’s why nothing they are doing makes a lick of sense once you subject it to even a little critical anaysis.

    They’re LIve Action Role Playing, only they’re not LARPing Left Behind, or Tea Party bingo, they’re doing Twilight:2000 and Mad Max.

  • Carstonio

    That was the point of my joke. I was interpreting the cars comment as a clue into the true psyche of the movement. A good case can be made that the movement is mostly a reaction to the continuing erosion of skin status, expressed and framed in apocalyptic terms.

  • Carstonio

    Exactly. Great analogy.

  • SergeantHeretic

    Carstonio, EXACTLY, in fact, I submit to you and to everyone else that no one in the conservative religious right gave a tinker’s damn about wheater or not the world was or was not coming to a supposed end until the Non-white-non male-non-rich-non het-non-Christiand Americans stared to get equal justice and a fair shake.

    To them they actually DO view the legitimate presidency of an african American man as a “Sign of the end times/the imminant collapse f civilisation.”

    They are literally incapable of imagining a world that is not a WASP hegemony and so they do this to rationalise it. They retreat into birtherism, or ther LARP a really stupid, crappy version of the War of Independence, or they LARP the Left Behind books.

    Fred, My man I cannot thank you enough for reading and reviewing those books and sparing me that horror. you are my hero.

    The Doomsday LARPers do this, they play, they pretend. and nothing they are doing would do the slightest bit of good if TSHTF. Trust, me I have watched the odd epi of “Doomsday Preppers” and I have yet to see one or hear of one who’se own Preps were not either a death trap for himself and his family or a giant target printed on his head.

    If the shyte REALLY came down I don’t know anyone who would not think, “Hey remembember that dippy MoFo stockpiling food and guns and water and medicine? LET’S GO SHOPPING!”

  • SergeantHeretic

    Carstonio, EXACTLY, in fact, I submit to you and to everyone else that no one in the conservative religious right gave a tinker’s damn about wheater or not the world was or was not coming to a supposed end until the Non-white-non male-non-rich-non het-non-Christiand Americans stared to get equal justice and a fair shake.

    To them they actually DO view the legitimate presidency of an african American man as a “Sign of the end times/the imminant collapse f civilisation.”

    They are literally incapable of imagining a world that is not a WASP hegemony and so they do this to rationalise it. They retreat into birtherism, or ther LARP a really stupid, crappy version of the War of Independence, or they LARP the Left Behind books.

    Fred, My man I cannot thank you enough for reading and reviewing those books and sparing me that horror. you are my hero.

    The Doomsday LARPers do this, they play, they pretend. and nothing they are doing would do the slightest bit of good if TSHTF. Trust, me I have watched the odd epi of “Doomsday Preppers” and I have yet to see one or hear of one who’se own Preps were not either a death trap for himself and his family or a giant target printed on his head.

    If the shyte REALLY came down I don’t know anyone who would not think, “Hey remembember that dippy MoFo stockpiling food and guns and water and medicine? LET’S GO SHOPPING!”

  • SergeantHeretic

    The big tell with every Prepper is their focus on THINGS. “I must stockpile food and weapons, and medicine and gas and I must have the ability to protect my THINGS from THE OTHER!

    I must not let THEM THEY THOSE PEOPLE get MY THINGS!”

    That’s how you know where their head is at.

     The secret of surviving in any crisis situation is not THINGS, it’s people. When I was finishing BASIC they has this thing at the end called Operation Victory Forge. it was the big graduation excersise and the key to OVF was that an individual Soldier could not make it no matter how good that you were. Only the whole team could make it by pulling together and working as a unit.

    To survive an apocalypse you don’t need things, things can come later, you need PEOPLE, co operation reciprocity, subsidiarity, and above all love. A community of diverse loving smart people who care about each other will be fine. the lunatic object obsessed doomsday prepper is going to die and whe nthat happens I doubt the loving caring co operating comunity will have much trouble finding the wachaloo’s stockpile.

  • Foreigner

    I have read on the intertubes that the military source for this is none other than Ollie North. This does not add to the credibility, if you ask me.

  • Mrs Grimble

     

    What gets me is that if they really do have proof of these impending
    evils why aren’t they sharing them? I mean where’s the copy of this
    “draconian executive order”?

    I’m reminded of our brave heroes of the Tribulation Force -  they have Bruce Barnes’ notes detailing the rise of the Antichrist and the exact timeline of events, but don’t share them with anybody; and they dig a survival bunker under the church, but don’t tell the rest of the congregation about it. 
    Now I get it – the Tribbles are all preppers!

  • Ken

    The ultimate focus on THINGS is probably the goldbugs.  “I’ll be on top of the world when everything falls apart, because I’ve stockpiled GOLD COINS!”  No, sorry; if society really fell apart, no one is going to want to trade a delicious edible potato for your shiny metal.

    Maybe after a century or so, if some sort of economy gets restarted from the wreckage and is producing enough surplus that people want shiny things again.

  • SergeantHeretic

    Ken you have said it. And that’s the problem with the Apocalypse LARPers whatever the flavor of their little fantasy. They are so focused on their “precious” things, and their gold and their fetishistic stockpiles of crap that they’re not thinking through what it is really going to take to survive in the post collapse framework. long term sustainability is the LAST THING these people care about, all they care about is protecting their PRECIOUS things.

  • Kubricks_Rube

    The Simpsons did a Preppers episode a few weeks ago. Homer takes the family away with the preppers when they all mistake a power outage for the big event they’ve been prepping for. When they get back to Springfield they find that everything is fine, even better than before, because, as Flanders puts it, “the spirit of neighborly cooperation broke out as if all the weird angry people had left.”

  • hidden_urchin

    Dead on. The majority of people can’t be rugged individualists. I, for example, would be a single pair of corrective lenses away from being buzzard food if the world went to hell. I think a lot of these people seriously overestimate their abilities and seriously underestimate how highly dependent on society and modern technology they are.

    Now that I think of it, the story they’re telling is a ” cozy catastrophe” through and through. Civilization collapses but they are safe and comfortable with all of the amenities of a world that no longer exists.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     The thing about racism is that it isn’t always a thing-in-itself. A lot of the time — probably most of the time these days — it’s more of a modifier on other things, tied up inextricably with class and affluence and culture and everything else like an infection.

  • http://twitter.com/KeroseneBitumen Christina Nordlander

     Wow. What a disgusting bloody thing to say.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Howard Ruff had far more useful advice in his book: Buy a set of spare tires for your car. You can trade your old tires once you’ve swapped everything out (a day’s job with a jack and a tire iron).

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    People with certain kinds of mental illness that they decline to treat are a severe problem. I have one in my family. He has mellowed now that he is in his 60s, but he used to be extremely dangerous, particularly to his family, particularly to his own mother. 

    Everyone has a right to do what they want with their own health — until that impinges on the health and safety of others. 

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    It shows that he thinks the only thing a woman has to offer is her body, and the only way she can survive is through using her sexuality, as her sexuality is all a woman is. Particularly ludicrous in this case, as women invented agriculture. 

  • Lori

     

    The Doomsday LARPers do this, they play, they pretend. and nothing they
    are doing would do the slightest bit of good if TSHTF. Trust, me I have
    watched the odd epi of “Doomsday Preppers” and I have yet to see one or
    hear of one who’se own Preps were not either a death trap for himself
    and his family or a giant target printed on his head.   

    I’ve seen a couple episodes of that show. I was left with the overwhelming impression that few things could be worse the prepper success. I mean, think about it. Assume that we’re wrong, they are not totally illogical and inept and their preparations will in fact allow them to be among the few survivors of The Big One (whatever it may be). Can you imagine anything worse than living in the world those people would create after the crisis? I mean this literally—I’d rather just die and get it over with.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The sheer smug self-satisfaction on their faces would at least provoke a few well-deserved rounds of infighting among the Preppers because “getting along well with others who aren’t like them” isn’t in their makeups.

  • Lori

    To survive an apocalypse you don’t need things, things can come later,
    you need PEOPLE, co operation reciprocity, subsidiarity, and above all
    love.   

    A community and a set of useful skills. The only skills the preppers ever seem interested in are hoarding and shooting. There are far more useful things they could learn, but don’t bother with.

    One of the cable channels that does oddball reality things (TLC? Discovery?) had a show a couple years back that was all about skills that could actually be helpful if TSHTF. Stuff like building a working generator from the kind of spare parts you’d be able to find easily, how to do first aid when your official first aid supplies run low, how to maintain access to a working vehicle and how to decide which abandoned places to break into and which would be a waste of time and effort (they didn’t phrase it that way, but that was the gist). It was way more interesting than the stupid shit preppers do.

  • reynard61

    “That reads as though you’re implying that people with mental illness are a problem–not that they have a (medical, morally neutral) problem, that they ARE a problem–and that people with mental illness that they decline to treat are a worse problem.”

    I think that *this specific bunch of people with guns* are a problem. I think that they’ve lost most or all touch with reality and view the world through the mentality of a child who tries to decipher the secret messages on the backs of cereal boxes using a broken decoder ring. The problem is that they seem to be *just functional enough* within our society that they have large amounts of money that they are willing to spend (on guns, gold and “survival” gear and books) that people are willing to let them indulge in their fantasies without thinking through what the consequences might be of having these armed, reality-averse people in their midst. (Hell, they even have at least one lobbying organization in Congress that advocates for their right to have guns!) Is there even a DSM IV classification for this particular situation?

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     Think of all the poverty, the hatred and the lies,
    And imagine the destruction of all that you despise,
    It’s only from the ashes that phoenix will arise,
    In a brave new world,
    With just a handful of men,
    We’ll start all over again!

    (Though I always like to point out that in the book, it’s not that the artilleryman’s plan is crazy that disgusts the narrator — it’s that the artilleryman is clearly too weak and lazy to actually make good on his plans).

  • hidden_urchin

    Yeah, well, a lot of this fantasy isn’t about survival but about being a Real Manly Man in the style of Kit Carson.  In that myth, women have only one purpose.

    Anyway, I do think it’s interesting that all of these preppers aren’t considering the importance of working animals, though.  (I guess it’s part of the “cozy catastrophe” problem.) If civilization truly returned to a pre-industrial state then good horses and their handlers would be needed for everything from tilling fields, to hauling supplies and people, to running messages.  Guess which gender currently dominates in the equestrian skills category?

    Mr. Manly-Man can keep his wood-fueled truck.  When it eventually dies he’ll offer his entire hoard for a good stock horse and I’m sure there will be a woman right there driving a hard bargain.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Okay, fair, but the usual way the implication plays out is that people with untreated mental illness are a problem regardless of whether they pose any danger to themselves or others.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I suspect the classification for that type is ‘mentally healthy’. Willfully misinformed and misunderstanding re how the world is and how it works, but mentally healthy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jon.maki Jon Maki

    Years ago I had a friend who had, in the past, been sort of casually involved with the militia movement.  He never became a full-fledged member of one, and he had drifted completely away from the lifestyle, but he still remained sympathetic to the…I guess you can call it a “cause.”  But whatever.

    In any case, one night while he was drunkenly trying to convince me of the true patriotism of militia members, he asked, “Wouldn’t you take up arms against the government if it turned tyrannical?”

    I responded, “Maybe.  But one thing I can tell you for sure is that I’d be much more likely to take up arms against the people in militias to prevent them from taking over the government.”

    He never brought up the subject again.

  • P J Evans

    uses it’s member’s dues and “donations” to subsidize the gun manufacturing and sales industries

    Actually, the firearms industry provides almost all of the NRA’s money. Dues are just the icing on their cake.

  • Ken

     One of the cable channels that does oddball reality things

    You’re not giving us much to go on there.


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