Postcards from the culture war

It will be a blessing to the babies.”

“He stated his intent was to damage the building because they ‘”kill’• and ‘”murder’• babies.”

Do we want to make the pill illegal? Yes. Do we want to make the IUD illegal? Yes. The morning after pill? Yes. The patch? Yes. Anything that’s a human pesticide, they all have to be made illegal. A woman has to go to jail if she kills her baby.”

“Most importantly, both are marked by a deep mistrust of the people they target, by the belief that, if furnished with all the relevant information, those people will make the ‘wrong’ decision.”

It ain’t true love unless you can get pregnant.”

“I want to talk to the men now. This violence is our fault.”

“We clearly live in a culture where it is safer and better to be a rapist than to be a rape victim.”

“I honestly don’t think evangelicals can come to accept marriage equality until they deal with their antifeminism problem.”

“If you really care about those issues as passionately as you say you do, you should be thanking feminists, because feminism is a social movement actively dedicated to dismantling every single one of them.”

“If you are more offended by my faithfully raw language than the twisting of scripture to provide justification for oppression then I promise you that I find your way of talking and thinking as deeply offensive as you do mine.”

“The mandate doesn’t cover abortion, I reminded him, only contraception, and emergency contraception is not abortion.”

“Women, of course, are presumed to be too dim and too delicate to see through this obvious charade.”

I can change my sexual preference tonight if I want to.”

They’•re good small business men as well.”

I have built Habitat homes for colored people.”

It was in ill-fated attempt at humor, on my personal page, not the county party’s page.”

“This is a leftist front group for the state Democratic party and we’re not going to lend a hand to their silly publicity stunt.”

They love us to death, don’t they? The same way the ancestors of many of these folks once loved Jews, witches, and heretics right to death.”

“People like to talk about ‘speaking the truth in love’ which, I have gathered, means politely telling someone they’re a horrible sinner.”

“My goal is to join with the SES family to produce an ever increasing number of graduates who will be the green berets and paratroopers of God’•s army, and who will be used by him to win tremendous victories for Christ and His kingdom.”

“But then again, the pull of the Christian-right lobbying machine in Washington may co-opt the careerist among them and produce another generation of Tony Perkinses.”

“While some are seeking to withhold Communion from pro-choice and pro-marriage-equality Catholics, I have heard no call to withhold Communion from priests and bishops who have engaged in horrific sexual abuse against vulnerable children, nor their enablers.”

Rapists can seek custody in a majority of U.S. states.”

The most important thing is gun safety.”

How dare anyone else tell them which they should do?

JESUS + Mary

The tipping point has been passed.”

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  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    So the Georgia governor can see no other reason to desegregate a school prom than because Democrats are performing a publicity stunt, so he’s not going to endorse it because he doesn’t want to feed into the attention-getting.

    Seriously?

    Trigger warning on “we clearly live in a culture where it is safer and better to be a rapist than to be a rape victim.” Obvious contents, but some of the stories within (many of which end in suicide) are heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

  • Magic_Cracker

    Oooh. PP “kills” and “murders” babies. Way to cover your bases, slick. I suppose we should be grateful this guy used an ax rather than an AK.

  • other lori

    I’ve been hearing that they are coming for my birth control for at least 15 years now. I’m sick of it. It’s about as reality-based as the belief that they are coming for people’s guns.

    If there is one thing I am sure of, it’s that birth control is here to stay. Remember that 1% who controls our economy and political system and pretty much everything? They have a vested interest in the labor of women, who are filling the increasing number of poorly-paid service jobs. If those women did not have access to birth control and were popping out babies left and right, they couldn’t fill those positions. For that reason alone, you can rest assured that our access to affordable, reliable, legal birth control is not going anywhere, at least not short of some sort of genuine theocratic coup.

    I continue to believe that this idea that our access to birth control is under attack is to the Democratic Party what the idea that our religious freedom is under attack is to the Republican Party. It’s a cheap, easy ploy to get votes, in lieu of actually doing anything. I’m increasingly tired of the Democrats thinking all they have to do to get voters is to say that rape is bad and promise women not to take away their birth control, and the plan working. We need to demand economic justice and criminal justice reform, along with other real, systematic changes. We’re just proving that liberals can be as easily manipulated as conservatives when we fall for these kinds of scare tactics.

  • EllieMurasaki

    You do realize how many people get their contraception through Planned Parenthood, which there’s powerful efforts to defund, right?

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    Erm, but when there are significant numbers of people in Congress and campaigning to become President who say that they actually do, in fact, want to ban contraception, whereas there are no people in office who say they want to do away with religious liberty or confiscate all guns…

  • JustoneK

    Dood, I don’t have easy, cheap access to birth control. I’m (relatively) real.

    Your argument is based on making folks invisible.

  • connorboone

    I posted the article about the prom on my bookface feed – and had someone suggesting that those kids would not have been denied their civil rights if their 2nd amendment rights had not been infringed.

  • Magic_Cracker

    If there is one thing I am sure of, it’s that birth control is here to stay. Remember that 1% who controls our economy and political system and pretty much everything? They have a vested interest in the labor of women, who are filling the increasing number of poorly-paid service jobs.

    You are assuming that (a) the 1% are of one mind re: social issues and (b) that they are rational.

  • Hexep

    Postcards from the culture war that we’re supposed to have won already…

    http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/chinese-company-employees-crawl-in-public-training-exercise.html

  • AnonaMiss

    I have to admit – black kids showing up to the white prom, and producing guns when the cops show up to enforce segregation, sounds like a great premise for an action movie.

  • JustoneK

    Little Django?

  • connorboone

    More like fodder for race-baiting on Fox News. See also: Trayvon Martin.

  • AnonaMiss

    I’m increasingly tired of the Democrats thinking all they have to do to get voters is to say that rape is bad and promise women not to take away their birth control, and the plan working.

    I’m tired of this too. It’s an insultingly low standard to hold our political parties to.

    Unfortunately, out of the two major political parties, only one even meets this low standard.

  • AnonaMiss

    While she was in the house, the 3-year-old toddler found a loaded pistol in the car and shot the infant in the left cheek near the mouth.

    …“The bottom line is the two children were unattended in the car.”

    I think real life has been cribbing from South Park again.

  • Maniraptor

    Like everyone else has said, the distinction is that our fear is based on actual campaign promises to do just that.

    I think you’re right that birth control is not going to be completely banned in the US anytime soon, even if there are people who want to do it (or profess to). That bridge has been crossed. However, it doesn’t really reassure me that there are enough people who wish it was illegal or nonexistant that it makes for a good campaigning point, and putting policies in place that continue to make birth control unaffordable or difficult to access is still pretty goddamn bullshit even if it’s not 100% illegal. Those policies definitely exist and there are more being proposed all the time. Birth control that 99% (or even 10%) of women have no access to is not meaningful birth control.

    Let’s not be in too much of a hurry to stop defending ourselves.

  • http://shiftercat.livejournal.com/ ShifterCat

    On stone tiles, even. Ouch.

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    So, Richard Land, what kind of god needs an army of mortals to win his victories for him?

    (I’ve done something similar here before, but damned if it doesn’t keep popping up..)

  • Katie

    Meanwhile, while the ‘pro-life’ set are busy attacking Obamacare and contraception, the 60% of the infant deaths that happen on the first day of life (that is, the day the baby is BORN) in the industrialized world happen in the US. That translates to 11,000 living, breathing, thinking, feeling babies who die for largely preventable reasons.

    http://healthland.time.com/2013/05/07/report/

  • JustoneK

    well that’s just nature, gunther

  • Katie

    Except that its to the 1% knows that women aren’t going to stop working en masse, so its to their advantage to make women pay for their own contraception, in the name of ‘personal responsibility’. I totally agree that its too easy for Democrats to get women’s votes, but that doesn’t mean that the religious right isn’t trying to make it difficult for women to have good access to contraception.

  • glendanowakowsk

    Presumably, that’s why God needs the spaceship.

  • aunursa

    Obama Administration Gives Up Forcing Bible Publisher to Obey HHS Mandate
    The Obama administration opposed an order a judge gave temporarily stopping enforcement, arguing that Tyndale House Publishers isn’t religious enough for an exemption from the mandate, a component of ObamaCare that forces employers, regardless of their religious or moral convictions, to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization, and contraception under threat of heavy penalties.

    Now, at the Obama administration’s request, a federal appellate court Friday dismissed the Obama administration’s appeal of an order that stopped President Barack Obama from enforcing his abortion pill mandate against a Bible publisher.

  • Lori

    At least both the male and female employees were forced to participate. Given some of what I’ve seen of the status of women in China, that seems like progress of a (weird, depressing) sort.

  • Lori

    If there is one thing I am sure of, it’s that birth control is here to
    stay. Remember that 1% who controls our economy and political system and
    pretty much everything? They have a vested interest in the labor of
    women, who are filling the increasing number of poorly-paid service
    jobs. If those women did not have access to birth control and were
    popping out babies left and right, they couldn’t fill those positions.

    Ah yeah, no. Your analysis totally fails to take into account our very high unemployment rate. Look around at those poorly paid service jobs filled by women. Note how many of those women are pregnant. The 1% are perfectly willing to have pregnant women doing low-paying, often very physically taxing work until they are unable to do so, at which point they are simply replaced by some other woman desperate enough to have the job.

  • CharityB

    Is birth control going to be criminalized? Of course not. But there’s a reason why the right has been working so hard to link contraception with abortion (see the link that aunursa supplied earlier — reading that, you would have a hard time realizing that the contraception mandate issue isn’t related to abortion at all; they use “contraception” and “abortion” almost interchangeably, the way we use “fall” and “autumn”).

    The government can’t and won’t abolish birth control, but they can restrict its availability by limiting its access through pharmacies, defunding NGOs that provide it to the poor, and limiting the number of health care providers that offer it as part of their coverage.

  • Katie

    None of the drugs that the ACA requires insurance companies to pay for induces abortion.

  • CharityB

    That’s not murder though, it’s just negligent homicide. Not good, but it’s OKAY as long as you don’t personally pull the trigger, right? I mean, that’s how the whole pro-life edifice stays up; as long as you don’t have an abortion, it’s OK to let the kid die after birth. And even if the fetus dies in the womb due to poor prenatal care, that’s not the government’s business either — except possibly to investigate the mother for homicide.

  • Jessica_R

    And amongst the bullshit, a reason to keep going, marriage equality just got signed into law in Delaware! Rock on!

  • EllieMurasaki

    No, it just got passed by the state Senate. It hasn’t gotten to the governor’s desk yet that I’ve heard. He said he’ll sign it, and it already passed the House, but. /pedant

  • Lori

    No, the govenor signed it an hour or so ago.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EqdlrXIs22c/UYl4XBi0vvI/AAAAAAACZ7Q/9wvF5EscBW8/s1600/designed.jpg

    His comment while he signed it: “I do not intend to make any of you wait one minute longer.”

  • EllieMurasaki

    AWESOME.

  • Jessica_R
  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    [the] 1% who controls our economy and political system and pretty much everything… have a vested interest in the labor of women…

    No they don’t. They have a vested interest in maintaining inequalities.

    Access to effective, reliable, affordable contraception has been a huge leap forward for women’s equality. As with abortion, the fight over contraception is not “will it always be legal”, but “will it be accessible?” To obtain hormonal birth control requires a prescription which requires a doctor’s visit, which requires both money and time off from work. Those are all barriers to accessibility. That Planned Parenthood offers low cost prescriptions and doctor visits is every bit as enraging to the Right as their abortion services.

    Not only that, but access to effective, reliable, affordable contraception has been a huge leap forward in reducing poverty. Large families are expensive; that’s been known for a long time. In this age, pregnancy is incredibly expensive unless you have insurance. Once again, the vested interests of the wealthy are to maintain poverty for as many as possible. Large families living in poverty are quite good for filling low-paying service jobs, far better than smaller families with less debt and expense.

    …our access to affordable, reliable, legal birth control is not going anywhere…

    Legal? Probably not.

    Affordable? Maybe you’ve been living under a rock, but every effort by the Democratic Party to increase access to birth control through has been fought tooth & nail. College health centers were barred from participating in group purchasing systems to prevent them from selling low-cost contraception to students. The battle over Obamacare’s contraception mandate is about access to affordable contraception. The decision to make Plan B available over-the-counter, without requiring a prescription or doctor’s visit has been fought with “conscience clauses” for pharmacists that don’t want to do their job.

    If you don’t have health insurance, or if your health insurance plan doesn’t cover birth control, it’s not affordable! And theocrats like Hobby Lobby want to keep it that way.

    I’m increasingly tired of the Democrats thinking all they have to do to get voters is to say that rape is bad and promise women not to take away their birth control, and the plan working.

    Well then, it’s a good thing Democrats are doing things like this and this and this.

    This sounds awfully concern-troll-ish to me.

  • http://shiftercat.livejournal.com/ ShifterCat

    You’re taking an excerpt from a website that uses “abortion” and “contraception” interchangeably, and posting it as fact? That’s a bit like posting something from Origins in Genesis as if it were science.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Wow, what rock do you live under?

    People are actively campaigning with promises to outlaw birth control. The Right wins votes by making laws giving bigots special privileges so they don’t have to do their jobs and hand out birth control if they choose to believe despite reality that it’s murder. And then there was the entire Catholic debacle RE the birth control mandate. Oh, and the states that tried to pass laws requiring women to tell their employers what they use BC for so the employer could then decide whether or not the woman could have it.

    The list goes on. Just because you personally lucky enough to not be threatened by any of this doesn’t mean it’s not an issue.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Come on, Aunursa. You’re smarter than this. We know you are.

    Contraception is not abortion, and you know this. You insult yourself and everyone else when you pretend otherwise.

  • Matri

    The same kind of infinitely powerful, all-knowing god who is utterly and completely helpless in the presence of a non-zero number of unbelievers.

  • Hexep

    Ehh, on the whole I think we’re doing better than most of our neighbors. In relative terms, that is – a South Korean woman is freer than a Chinese woman (among other things, she can vote), but the difference between the respective social freedoms of an S.K man and an S.K.woman is greater than that of a Chinese man and a Chinese woman.

  • BaseDeltaZero

    Fun fact I learned recently: There was a major gun control bill – the Mulford Act – passed in the 70s, proposed and Ronald Reagan (back when he was Governor) and endorsed by none other than the NRA, after the Black Panthers and similar groups started forming militias with the intent of protecting themselves since the government clearly wasn’t going to.

    http://www.theroot.com/views/fear-black-gun-owner

  • gpike

    I am married (among other things). Due to a genetic condition (and a few other reasons), the only contraceptive I can use is the depo-provera shot. It’s a little cheaper than the pill without insurance, but more difficult to get because it has to be administered by a nurse or whatever (we have done it at home in a pinch but had to lie to a pharmacist to get the stuff). Some clinics require a pregnancy test EVERY TIME. Even when it’s “easy” to get birth control, it’s not painless.

  • BaseDeltaZero

    Actually, that would trouble them not at all – you’re assuming filling the possible demand is in their interest, when it isn’t. It’s not like *they* have any need for those poorly-paid service jobs. The only possible negative side effect is for pregnant women leaving the workforce to reduce the unemployment rate – but this is at best temporary, because they still need some way to support themselves – either making their families that much more desperate, or forcing them to continue working anyways (in a much more tenous state). More importantly, your forgetting that pregnant women have a tendency to have children. Children, as we learned in the gilded age, are a wonderfully cheap and expendable source of labor that almost never tries to unionize, thus reducing your thug budget. A massive ‘surplus’ of population means that you can easily arrange the number of workers to be much larger than the number of ‘available’ jobs.

  • Jamoche

    “Everybody run, the Homecoming Queen’s got a gun”

  • Carstonio

    I’m guessing that Senator Metts is really claiming that sexual desire is amorphous.

  • Carstonio

    I floated by him the fact that contraceptive coverage is cheaper to pay for than, say, maternity coverage. Potter replied, “One’s got a little more warmth and fuzziness to it than the other, for crying out loud.”

    So many ways to speculate about that, and I wish the reporter had pressed Potter about exactly what he meant. Well, I feel warm and fuzzy when I think about women being able to control their bodies and their lives.

    In the end, I honestly don’t think evangelicals can come to accept
    marriage equality until they deal with their antifeminism problem.

    Libby Anne is exactly right that opposition to homosexuality is deeply rooted in gender essentialism. But I’d like to see her or Fred or one of their colleagues pursue what appears to be an unstated assumption – that same-sex marriage will automatically lead to parenthood. A strange assumption to make, since same-sex couples cannot procreate on their own. Do folks like NOM believe that legalization will prompt closeted parents in opposite-sex marriages to leave their families, or replace their opposite-sex spouses with same-sex ones? Do they believe that parenthood is such a natural step after marriage that same-sex couples wouldn’t marry if they didn’t intend on having children?

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    I think it’s more the assumption that already partnered and parenting same sex couples will get married, not that single same sex people will start having children.

  • banancat

    Now if only we started using the term “abortion” to apply to gun deaths, we’d suddenly have the strictest gun control laws in the world.

    But I guess babies don’t actually matter once they’re actually babies.

  • banancat

    Well, it’s how a lot of high-level Catholic dogma goes, and also the running theme of the Left Behind novels. You’re never responsible for anything as long as you wished good thoughts while it happened.

  • Carstonio

    But since those couples are already raising children, it doesn’t make sense for NOM and others to insist that legalizing SSM deprives children of opposite-sex parents. The opponents might share the common but mistaken assumption that same-sex relationships are transitory. Or they might believe that without marriage, the partners might “get over” their homosexuality and find straight spouses instead.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    I thought you were speaking about allies assumption that same sex couples will marry and parent, in regards to the argument that SSM will stabilize families, not the conservative argument that dirty nasty gays will start breeding everywhere or that millions of gay people are trapped in straight marriages and will escape if given societal approval.

    Which is probably why my answer didn’t really address your question.

  • barnestormer

    What everyone else has said. Where I live in the US South, Planned Parenthood has been effectively hounded out of existence. Getting birth control is already a hassle for me personally, and I’m soaking in all the major privileges.

    It’s a wedge issue, and a very effective one, and it can and has been used very cynically. It’s also real and serious. Access to affordable contraception has already been severely limited in a huge part of the country.


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