Christian Rock

  • JMC

    World without end. Amen.

  • John

    I’d lump “Christian movies” into that same category. As well-intentioned and earnest as movies like “Courageous” and “Fireproof” may be, they don’t help themselves by being teeth-grindingly schlocky, sentimental, and just flat-out bad. Lord have mercy, indeed.

    • http://platytera.blogspot.com/ Christian

      Gee, and I liked The Mission.

      • John

        The Mission is the exception to the rule. For every The Mission there are 20 Facing the Giants. No wonder people don’t take us seriously.

  • thegermanegyptian

    Snark, Pictorial Snark, and so very true at that, Amen

  • http://aodhagain.deviantart.com/ Jay E.

    Spot on!

  • Rachel

    Yes, let’s make fun of other Christians. That’s always fun. I disagree and could not disagree more.

    • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

      We’re not making fun of Christians. We’re making fun of bad music.

      • Rachel

        When they make fun of Catholics, they’d say something similar. “We’re not making fun of Catholics, we’re making fun of people who are tied to their traditions.” There is sucky Christian music and there is sucky secular music. There is also excellent Christian rock music. It’s ignorant and it’s not edifying. My husband used to listen to what would be considered excellent rock music, but the lyrics were spiritual poison. Now he listens to rock music that actually draws him closer to God. When you make fun of that kind of music, all it does is show him and others like him that you are not interested in what reaches him and it’s detrimental to those of who are trying to reach people that listen to that kind of music. Do you really think it’s more edifying to listen to Guns and Roses singing about death and sex and getting high than their Christian counterparts singing about throwing off the shackles of sin? I agree with everything else you ever say, but I don’t like to hear you making fun of something that you aren’t really properly educated about. It’s an entire genre now. There are good Christian rock artists and bad artists, just like there are good mass arrangements and bad ones. Please don’t perpetuate stereotypes. If my protestant friends made fun of Catholic music, it would frustrate me just as much because they would be making fun of something they are not educated about. Making fun of ourselves is fine, but please don’t make fun of other Christians who are trying to serve Jesus in the way they believe they are called to.

        • Gilbert

          I have to agree with Rachel. In case this isn’t obvious to everyone, there’s a BIG chunk of Christian music that doesn’t necessarily preach or pray. They’re just performed by Christian artists who live by Christ’s teachings in their day to day lives and their music. They can pretty much match any Rock and Roll album, minus the destructive message.

        • Gilbert

          As a Catholic there are appropriate occasions for liturgical music. BUT when I want to just relax or have fun, it’s nice to know I have choices which will not pollute my soul.

        • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

          I guess there was misunderstanding on both sides. I am not objecting to popular music with Christian lyrics. Let them play away and let all who enjoy it relax and have a fun and inspiring listen. What I’m down on is when secular styled music is used in the liturgy.

          • Rachel

            Thanks for clarifying, Father. I don’t disagree with you on that.

  • William

    I grew up Baptist, and my mother would not allow secular music in the house. It was not until I got to college to that I was able to listen to secular music, and it was night and day….not the message, but just the amazing difference between those who saw music as art vs just a message. That is the thing that bothers me the most about Christian music. It does not seem to be about the art; it is just another WWJD bracelet coming in audio. It can be banal and tacky.

  • BoomerVF14

    I wish my fellow Christians would quit singing, quit making movies, quit doing anything that might suck. They should just work in seclusion until they have a perfect product that will appeal to those of us with perfect tastes. Only then will Christianity be made better. Jesus obviously required perfection in those who praised him – like when he told that loud guy he cured to shut up because his praise was bothering others. Good thing he pushed away those kids too… quite certain their pitch and tonality would not have been up to standard.

    • Rachel

      Thanks, BoomerVF14. Good point.

    • William

      That is a heck of a jump to be made from what I said, but if you wish to go that route, I wonder if anyone would listen to Christian music based on the quality of the music alone if Christ was not involved. Message boards never convey the tone that we wish them to, but I hope you hear what that I said this without sarcasm.

      As far as the man who shouted loudly once saved, well yes. We should be very happy and joyful with what Christ has done for us. But would you agree that the man was not trying to sell a product either. Seems very apples to oranges to me since this is more than just a “Sing a joyful noise” kind of deal.

  • H. Hobbit

    I thought this was funny– and having been raised in a Protestant background, I didn’t see this cartoon as poking fun of protestants, nor was it promoting ‘stereotypes.’ The truth is, this cartoon could be applied to Catholic rock-n-rollers, too. In this particular episode of “King of the Hill,” the kid, Bobby, becomes ‘interested’ in ‘church’ because all of a sudden he sees Jesus as cool and hip– due to the music– not because he has some revelation about Christ and Christianity. This (rightly) concerns Bobby’s father, Hank, who speaks to the Christian rock-star about his concerns. The music the rock-star performed in this episode was deserving of Hank’s comment ;) This was not good rock music!

    Yeah, yeah, yeah– there are good and talented Christian (Protestant and Catholic alike) rock-n-rollers who can bless us with their music. Some of our best Christian Cliches have come from this up-beat, energetic, Christian genre. It’s entertaining and makes us feel good. But I’m with Hank. I don’t want my kid getting interested in church because they like the rock band concert– excuse me, I mean Worship Team.

    • Rachel

      Those are good points. It it a legitimate concern when people are interested in Christianity just because it’s hip. But that is true of so many different ways that people come to Christianity. I don’t want my kid getting interested in Christianity because it’s cool, or because it’s what I believe, or because they like a particular priest or author or because they fall in love with another Christian. But those are all ways that people are introduced to Christianity, and because of any one of those things, someone can have a real encounter with Christ.

      Thanks for your good talking points. I just get irked when people make fun of Christian rock music on the basis that it’s all bad music, when they don’t actually know if it is or not. Many people just assume that because the two arists they heard in the late eighties were terrible musicians, that the entire genre has no value. I feel bad now for letting it upset me last night.

  • MarylandBill

    In general, I find most Christian Rock to be simply… well bad. Sorry to those who like it, I am not saying you are wrong, but to me, Christian Rock music is simply trying to fill a market niche. It has not, in my admittedly limited experience, pushed musical boundries or attempted to create a new synthesis of musical genres. Rather it has taken the idiom of rock music (or hip-hop or whatever) and simply grafted on Christian messages.

    Now contrast this to the role that Christian Music had in a previous age. Much of modern music is built on the foundations of Christian music, especially classical music. But also, through gospel, modern country, blue grass and the blues have Christian origins as well. I just don’t see anything similar emerging from modern Christian Rock.

    • Rachel

      If you care enough to comment on it, then you should try listening around a bit. The genre has matured and a lot of Christian rock music is good rock music… *if* you like that sort of thing. If you don’t, then that’s fine. But Christian rock music is much, much better than it was ten and twenty years ago.

      • MarylandBill

        Who do I listen to then? I like rock music. But pretty much every time I hear Christian Rock… well, I get a visceral urge to turn off the station.

        I suppose the other thought I have is that Christian Rock doesn’t really fill a niche I am interested in. If I want music for worship, there is a rich tapestry of worship music within the Catholic tradition, from Gregorian Chant to amazing pieces of modern classical music. I don’t believe there is a need to limit one’s listening habits to exclusively Christian music, so I don’t see it as a replacement for secular music (Though one has to be careful what secular music one listens to).

    • William

      I agree MarylandBill. We are very reactionary rather than pushing boundaries when it comes to art nowadays.

    • Gilbert

      As with other genre, there are good artists and bad artists. I sure hope people don’t “like” Christian music just because they’re tagged “Christian”. I guess the difference from pop is that they have a better chance of rising up a Christian chart, than a pop artist does rising up the American Top 40. So, you get to listen to more mediocre Christian music than you do with secular. Over all, music has become too commercialized–the motivation is to live a “rockstar lifestyle”, rather than pure expression, such that musicians simply give the people what they want instead of pushing boundaries. The entire system makes it so–record labels won’t notice you, and you won’t win American Idol if you don’t conform. I am almost tempted to say, the real artists are the ones that go hungry.

  • http://www.faithfullyflawed.com faithfully flawed

    Flyleaf, Anberlin, Jars of Clay, P.O.D….check them out. They definitely DON’T suck. I get what you’re saying, though. ;)


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