When PC-devotees go mad…

I thought this could not be true but there is an audio.

You know those people who are really, really committed to the separation of church and state?

Canadian National Public Radio Broadcasts Call for State Control of Religion, Especially Catholicism

OTTAWA, July 19, 2005 – Just as Senate approaches the final vote on the gay ‘marriage’ bill, C-38, Canada’s national public radio CBC Radio has aired a commentary by a retired professor from the Royal Military College calling for state control over religion, specifically Catholicism. While parliamentarians dismissed warnings by numerous religious leaders and experts that such laws would lead to religious persecution, former professor Bob Ferguson has called for “legislation to regulate the practice of religion.”

“Given the inertia of the Catholic Church, perhaps we could encourage reform by changing the environment in which all religions operate,” Ferguson began his commentary in measured tones yesterday. “Couldn’t we insist that human rights, employment and consumer legislation apply to them as it does other organizations? Then it would be illegal to require a particular marital status as a condition of employment or to exclude women from the priesthood. ”

Ferguson continued, “Of course the Vatican wouldn’t like the changes, but they would come to accept them in time as a fact of life in Canada. Indeed I suspect many clergy would welcome the external pressure.”

Continuing his comparison Ferguson stated, “I envisage a congress meeting to hammer out a code that would form the basis of legislation to regulate the practice of religion. Like the professional engineers’ P.Eng designation, there would then be RRPs (or registered religious practitioners). To carry the analogy to its conclusion, no one could be a religious practitioner without this qualification.”

Ferguson also suggests ‘obvious’ prohibitions on religion including preaching of ‘hate’. “I won’t try to propose what might be in the new code except for a few obvious things: A key item would have to be a ban on claims of exclusivity. It should be unethical for any RRP to claim that theirs was the one true religion and believers in anything else or nothing were doomed to fire and brimstone. One might also expect prohibition of ritual circumcisions, bans on preaching hate or violence, the regulation of faith healers, protocols for missionary work, etc.,” says Ferguson.

The retired professor concluded his comments aired on CBC yesterday morning saying, “Now what is the point of proposing this? I do it because I am worried that the separation between church and state is under threat. Religion is important in our lives, but it can become a danger to society when people claim that the unalterable will of God is the basis for their opinions and actions. Yes religion can be a comfort and a guide, but we cannot take rules from our holy books and apply them to the modern world without democratic debate and due regard for the law.”

The former professor pitched his idea as a boon to religious freedom. “We could also help the general cause of religious freedom by introducing a code of moral practice for religions,” he said. “They will never achieve unity so why not try for compatibility? Can’t religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?”

I do it because I am worried that the separation between church and state is under threat… so lets destroy it completely, seems to be this man’s solution, subsume religion under the control of the government…there…all tidy. Not free, but tidy.

Staggering. Just STAGGERING.

Doug at Bogus Gold has more thoughts. I was struck speechless, but he has managed some cogent commentary.

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  • http://skeetor.blogspot.com/ skeetor

    I didn’t think anything could suprise me anymore.
    A hundred questions just flew through my mind with regard to his motive, Soviet Canuckistan. This is communism/socialism in all its glory. If ever we in America need an example of what may happen should these people gain power here there it is, just look north.

  • http://skeetor.blogspot.com/ skeetor

    I didn’t think anything could suprise me anymore.
    A hundred questions just flew through my mind with regard to his motive, Soviet Canuckistan. This is communism/socialism in all its glory. If ever we in America need an example of what may happen should these people gain power here there it is, just look north.

  • stephanie

    That is just so wrong on so many levels. *Shakes head*. Yeah. Umm…besides separation of church and state, the blatant violation of freedom of speech comes to mind…

  • stephanie

    That is just so wrong on so many levels. *Shakes head*. Yeah. Umm…besides separation of church and state, the blatant violation of freedom of speech comes to mind…

  • Local Man

    Okay, I agree with you on this one. But he’s just one guy, right? A retired old hack with not much to do, presumably. I think it would be a much more significant issue if he were an elected official. For instance, in Cincinnati, a Republican mayoral candidate who has a legitimate shot at his party’s nomination, published a book in which he wrote that only “born again” Christians should hold public office. Now that’s something to be appalled by.

    see: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050714/NEWS01/507140363/1056/news01

  • Local Man

    Okay, I agree with you on this one. But he’s just one guy, right? A retired old hack with not much to do, presumably. I think it would be a much more significant issue if he were an elected official. For instance, in Cincinnati, a Republican mayoral candidate who has a legitimate shot at his party’s nomination, published a book in which he wrote that only “born again” Christians should hold public office. Now that’s something to be appalled by.

    see: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050714/NEWS01/507140363/1056/news01

  • RJGatorEsq

    Local Man:
    -
    Yes, that woould be troubling. If that is what the candidate had said.
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    But, of course, that is NOT what the candidate said.
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    The candidate said, “We Christians must clean up politics. It is our job to elect only born-again believers to public office. If office holders aren’t Christian and refuse to obey the laws of God, we must work hard,under the law, to unseat them.”
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    He did not say, “Only born-again Christians should hold public office”: he said that Christians should work to elect Christians and unseat non-Christians. All within the limits of the law.
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    Women’s rights activists advocate electing women. Are you “appalled” (your word, not mine) by that?
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    African-American activists advocate electing African-Americans. Are you “appalled” by that?
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    Gun-rights activists advocate electing gun rights supporters, gay rights activists advocate electing gay rights supporters, etc. Are you “appalled” by that?
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    Christians advocate electing Christians. Wow. Shocked I am. Appalled.
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    Well, not really…. ;-)
    -
    LOL. Anyway, cheers.
    _____________

  • RJGatorEsq

    Local Man:
    -
    Yes, that woould be troubling. If that is what the candidate had said.
    -
    But, of course, that is NOT what the candidate said.
    -
    The candidate said, “We Christians must clean up politics. It is our job to elect only born-again believers to public office. If office holders aren’t Christian and refuse to obey the laws of God, we must work hard,under the law, to unseat them.”
    -
    He did not say, “Only born-again Christians should hold public office”: he said that Christians should work to elect Christians and unseat non-Christians. All within the limits of the law.
    -
    Women’s rights activists advocate electing women. Are you “appalled” (your word, not mine) by that?
    -
    African-American activists advocate electing African-Americans. Are you “appalled” by that?
    -
    Gun-rights activists advocate electing gun rights supporters, gay rights activists advocate electing gay rights supporters, etc. Are you “appalled” by that?
    -
    Christians advocate electing Christians. Wow. Shocked I am. Appalled.
    -
    Well, not really…. ;-)
    -
    LOL. Anyway, cheers.
    _____________

  • http://none Darrell

    In a previous comment—

    I want to have Karl Rove’s babies — his (censored) little babies.

    Comment by Local Man ? July 20, 2005 @ 1:54 pm

    Why waste the energy…

  • http://none Darrell

    In a previous comment—

    I want to have Karl Rove’s babies — his (censored) little babies.

    Comment by Local Man ? July 20, 2005 @ 1:54 pm

    Why waste the energy…

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  • newton

    Anchoress, just so you know, but for some reason, the trackbacking isn’t working. I linked your posting to mine.

  • newton

    Anchoress, just so you know, but for some reason, the trackbacking isn’t working. I linked your posting to mine.

  • newton

    Thank you, Gator!

  • newton

    Thank you, Gator!

  • http://ohhowilovejesus.com Jeanette

    I tried to help out and get the trackback from OHILJ but it didn’t work for me either. If you have several trackbacks in your moderation queue you know why. Otherwise I guess it just went into the black hole of cyberspace. :)

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  • http://zoomdaddy.blogspot.com Zoomdaddy

    This is maddeningly scary! Seeing that I live not too far from Canada, I think we would see major immigration, even refugees, if such an idea was seriously considered legally.

  • http://zoomdaddy.blogspot.com Zoomdaddy

    This is maddeningly scary! Seeing that I live not too far from Canada, I think we would see major immigration, even refugees, if such an idea was seriously considered legally.

  • http://mysandmen.blogspot.com/ Mr.Atos

    Unfortunately the Catholic Church has had experience operating under totalitarian regimes, be it Canada, China, or Cuba.

    One wonders how good people are subjugated into the darkess of tyranny. It seems that, out of convenience, they are seduced to put the shackles on themselves surrendering the fences of morality to the prison of the State.

  • http://mysandmen.blogspot.com/ Mr.Atos

    Unfortunately the Catholic Church has had experience operating under totalitarian regimes, be it Canada, China, or Cuba.

    One wonders how good people are subjugated into the darkess of tyranny. It seems that, out of convenience, they are seduced to put the shackles on themselves surrendering the fences of morality to the prison of the State.

  • JMC

    Is this the beginning of the One World Religion?

  • JMC

    Is this the beginning of the One World Religion?

  • http://angrygwn.mu.nu/ Angry in T.O.

    In Canada, there have been a troubling series of events leading up to the bizarre comments broadcast nationally by the CBC.

    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/100156.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/101426.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/101699.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/105350.php

    And a summary piece:

    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/106021.php

  • http://angrygwn.mu.nu/ Angry in T.O.

    In Canada, there have been a troubling series of events leading up to the bizarre comments broadcast nationally by the CBC.

    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/100156.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/101426.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/101699.php
    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/105350.php

    And a summary piece:

    http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/106021.php

  • Rico567

    Hmmm…don’t know why anyone who keeps up with things in Canada would be particularly surprised at such rhetoric emerging from what someone once described as “-the world’s NICEST totalitarian government.” To get a graphic preview of what many on the radical left (and some on the right, no doubt) would bring to the United States if they had a chance, just keep on watchin’.

  • Rico567

    Hmmm…don’t know why anyone who keeps up with things in Canada would be particularly surprised at such rhetoric emerging from what someone once described as “-the world’s NICEST totalitarian government.” To get a graphic preview of what many on the radical left (and some on the right, no doubt) would bring to the United States if they had a chance, just keep on watchin’.


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