The Church is not a Democracy – UPDATED

As Holy Week approaches we can always count on provocative headlines, like Time Magazine’s Is Hell Dead? which looks at the latest book by Evangelical preacher Rob Bell. In October, it wouldn’t warrant a cover, I’m sure.

This entire Lent, however, the Catholic church in America has been roiling with Cult of Personality issues. The scandals of recent years have shaken the faithful; Rome seems distant to many and in our media-obsessed society a passionate orator proclaiming “the truth” as-you-want-to-hear-it can seem like the prophetic lone voice that will save the church from all her failings and foibles — or at least the ones that have you stewing in your pew, week after week.

Currently there are two very distinct stories playing out in our Catholic Theater of Hysteria. Both involve rabble-rousers playing to their respective crowds; both of them are eagerly tugging on the outflung arms of Christ — now to the left, now to the right — and rocking the upraised cross that saves. Pronouncing a wish to save the church from hierarchs or heretics, they both seem to be looking for excuses to split the Body of Christ by ripping their respective arm from the cross and toodling off with it, in schism.

In Chicago, Fr. Michael Pfleger (who you may remember as the Hillary-Clinton-imitating-priest who came to national prominence during the Obama presidential campaign) is making some noise about leaving the church because Cardinal Francis George wishes to transfer him to a new apostolate, away from the parish he has served for 30 years. What that apostolate is, is unclear at the moment; in an interview Pfleger said:

“I want to try to stay in the Catholic Church,” he said. “If they say, ‘You either take this principalship of [Leo High School] or pastorship there or leave,’ then I’ll have to look outside the Church.”

Well, what is it that Cardinal George wants Pfleger to take over, a “principalship” or a “pastorship”? Does he want Pfleger to become the school’s chaplain? I put a call in to the Cardinal’s office, for clarification. I am not sure why a priest with no background in education would be named a school principal, but then again, Pfleger’s made his reputation as a community-builder, and perhaps that’s what the school needs? Or perhaps the cardinal feels the humility of a chaplainship might feed his priest’s perspective? We don’t know. That’s all unclear.

What is not unclear, however, is Pfleger’s disdain for his own vow of obedience. It is unthinkable that any priest should be in the same parish for 30 years. Priests are moved around with some regularity precisely to prevent attachments from forming that can develop into ego-gratifying little fiefdoms or, personal possessions.

So, Fr. Pfleger, unhappy to consider that he made a vow, or that, in the Lord’s manifestly mysterious ways, it may simply be time for him to serve in another way (or reacquaint himself with the notion of obedience — which is, let’s face it, a discipline in humility) essentially says that if he does not get his own way, he will leave the church. Implicit in the threat, of course, is that he’ll take his followers with him.

Tugging on the right arm of the cross is a layman, Michael Voris, the founder of “REAL” Catholic TV, the one-man-arbiter of what is “real” Catholicism, and what is not. Increasingly, Voris seems to think the Pope is okay, but beyond that, he’s not too sure. He’s all hopped up, today about some stupid Earth Day memo that’s been sent to all Catholic parishes by the likes of Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio and which suggests that parishes use Good Friday, Easter Sunday or Divine Mercy Sunday to talk about cleaning parks and using crappy lightbulbs.

Most parishes will probably throw the thing into the circular filing cabinet without a second look, but Voris — quick to assume the worst (which seems un-Christlike to me) — uses the memo to fling a bunch of red meat to his followers, and encourage them in anticipating the worst, as well. With barely contained hysteria he tells his viewers that if any priest so much as “breathes a word” about the environment, the faithful should by-pass the collection plate and later resign from the parish.

Got that? Not “talk to the priest of your concerns,” not “meet with the pastor,” just hold on to your dimes and resign.

If you watch the video which, like the Pfleger video I find too grotesque to post here, you’ll see why some are wondering whether Voris is actually saying to leave the Catholic church, itself. I don’t think he meant to say that, but if he didn’t mean to, he should have redone his little spiel, because that is how it comes off.

Voris strikes me as a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
He says just enough that’s “right” to completely hook people who are already concerned, particularly if they’re politically angry, and then adds a layer of negativity and some seeds of cynicism — which is the easiest thing in the world to grow. Then, he recommends methods that smack more of Wisconsin Public Union tactics than Christian responses. “Resign from your parish” is like saying “have a teachers sick-out.”

Newsflash, Mr. Voris and Fr. Pfleger: the church is not a democracy and cannot respond to those tactics — which foment greater measures of doubt and confusion — without ultimately bringing destruction to the whole. But you both already know that; Voris dislikes democracy and is the one advocating for a “noble” Catholic monarchy to rule governments in a “benevolent dictatorship,” and Pfleger developed his little barony thanks to an overlong tenure encouraging entrenched and absolute power.

Both of these men are extremists, tugging at the Body of Christ. But if we look at the Crucifix, we see Jesus is neither right nor left. Jesus is Balance.

Mark Shea has a few things to say about putting too much trust in Catholic gasbaggery, and I concur:

Don’t put a mitre on the head of any loudmouth in the blogosphere or Catholic media, especially me. A gaggle of apologists and bigmouths like me is not the Magisterium!

Mark is a little more rough-n-tumble than I am, but I do agree. Though I get some pretty juicy hate mail from time-to-time, the really terrifying stuff is the “you might be a saint” email. Um, no, just ask the kids about the time I threw the chair. I know who I am, and all my darkest ways. “It is better to put your trust in the Lord…”

And if you’re a Catholic and you believe in the One, Holy, Apostolic church — the Eucharistic church and that whole bit about Jesus and Peter and the Keys to the Kingdom, and the gates of hell not prevailing, then just look at history — understand with clarity that the church has never been perfect, not from day one, when its Keymaster lied three times and all its priests but one ran away. Remember that in 2000 years, unrest and reform, scandal and more unrest have been the norm, and that those cozy nostalgic glory days of the mid-20th century were quite the aberration.

And then have a little charity for your imperfectly-administered church; she is hobbled by that humanity in which we all have a share — broken, faulty and sinful — but she is divinely ordained, and chugs along by the grace of the Holy Spirit.

And we know that with certainty, thanks to how imperfectly-run she is. Without the Holy Spirit, we’d never have lasted this long.

UPDATE: Another salient quote from Shea A “Shea-lient” point?

About Elizabeth Scalia
  • lethargic

    30 years in the same parish? The Chicago bishops of the last 30 years should be the ones being “exiled” to a chaplaincy somewhere. That situation should never have been permitted to develop and fester. Sigh … they all probably thought there was a good reason to make an exception for that “special parish” or whatever … sigh.

  • Robert

    I used to subscribe to Real Catholic TV, when it first started, thinking it would be something like EWTN, but I quickly saw how extreme (and weird) Voris was. I tried to unsubscribe, and actually had a really hard time doing it. I finally had to resort to threats to get off of their mailing list. I think Voris and his ilk are dangerous people, and someday we will see just how dangerous.

  • Katie

    I am not even Catholic, and this is exactly what I needed to read today. Thank you for the great perspective, which is so desperately needed these days in all corners of the Church, including the “imperfectly united” “ecclesial bodies.” :)

  • http://stubbornfacts.us Simon

    What irritates the heck out of me about folks whose answer to even the first whisper of liturgical abuse or bad praxis is “leave the parish immediately”—Voris’ answer—is that it diminishes our chances of fixing those problems. (If, indeed, they are problems: sometimes people just make mistakes, and a single mistake or a misunderstanding doth not abuse make.) For sake of argument, while acknowledging that these terms are imprecise, let’s denominate as “conservatives” those who are orthodox in their doctrinal views and liturgical tastes, and as “liberals” those who like silly 70s nonsense—liturgical dance, guitars, David Haas, etc. Conservatives find liberal approaches to liturgy grating, and that’s understandable. But every time a conservative throws in the towel and leaves a liberal parish, s/he makes it even harder for the remaining conservatives to fix the problems. Oh, it’s all well and good to say “well, the pastor should be making those decisions,” but in the real world, in most parishes, laypeople are involved in the decisionmaking process, and when conservative laypeople leave, they abandon those posts to liberal laypeople. I fail to see how that helps the cause. It’s a recipe for polarization and, ultimately, schism. The Church wisely advises people to attend the parish most geographically convenient; if it’s got problems, work to fix what you can and offer up what you can’t.

  • momor

    Simon, you are exactly right that the Church wants us to attend the parish in our geopgraphic location. One of the reasons is precisely to avoid cult followings of priests and to have many voices and opinions in the same parish to provide balance.

  • Lorraine

    Might I suggest that you read this? http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=25005
    We should all be careful what we say.

  • http://www.cdobs.com John Powers

    I find Voris point to be a bit more complex than Fr. Pfleger’s obvious errors.

    Pretty much with certainty, I will say there is very no place for a paid political advertisement being inserted into the homily under the auspices of the USCCB or not. The question becomes how to effectively object to this.

    I can sit there and look at the stained glass windows in my Parish and get more out of it than any homily based on Al Gores PR machine, but that does not stop the Bishops from circulating such nonsense to the Parishes.

    Waiting these things out, by adhering to some archaic geographical description of the Church doesn’t really fix anything (Chicago ended regional parishes about 1914 or so). Why not just politely walk over to the next Parish rather than engage in some endless squabble over the fashions of the day?

    JBP

  • http://stokell.us Paul

    For all their faults, the Sacred College of Bishops – USCCB included – has a bit more experience and staying power than the current bench of the ABCBC (Angry Bearded Catholic Bloggers’ Club).

    Who was reading Cardinal George in 2002? And who was reading that “Closed Cafeteria” guy? And where are they now?

  • MJ

    Thank you, Anchoress, for your great perspective on what appears to be a growing problem in the Church–with presbyters and faithful alike. I really needed to read your thoughts today.

  • JeffC

    Thank you for this wonderful post! I have only watched a few of Voris’ videos, but that was enough to convince me to be wary of what he had to say. I have found it troubling that some bloggers have been tacitly defending him. The only “real” Catholic video feed on YouTube is the Vatican!

    I also agree with Simon and momor, “dance with the one who brung ya” and stay in your geographical parish (which, in a way, is a form being obedient and a way of living out my own stability as a Benedictine Oblate).

  • jkm

    Thank you, Elizabeth. This revert–back in a Church that’s moved steadily to the right of her since she left decades ago, and trying to find a way to explain that return not simply to her friends who see only the warts on the Bride of Christ, but also to herself most days–needed so badly the answer you provided in your last paragraphs. “By the grace of the Holy Spirit,” indeed. I didn’t read the USCCB statement attempting to conflate Earth Day and Good Friday, but though I am just old-hippie enough to retain my belief that we are called to stewardship of creation, that kind of puffery just sounds silly. And silly is never worth walking out on. Silly evaporates under its own gassiness; what is Real abides. There is, by the way, an inseparable connection between Good Friday and Creation that is older than either Mr. Voris or Mr. Gore, and for which no USCCB preaching prompt is required. Although not referenced in the Passion account from the Gospel of John, which we hear on Good Friday, the Synoptic Gospels tell us that Creation itself mourned, with darkness veiling the skies and the earth quaking and groaning at the terrible hour. Non-human Creation has its priorities straight; as we are reminded this Palm Sunday, if we shut up long enough we can hear even the rocks and stones praise the One who comes to redeem us all.

    [The memo was not from the USCCB. It was sent to every parish by an environmental organization. - admn]

  • http://defend-us-in-battle.blogspot.com Joe

    One question to those on the stay in your own “geographical area”; what about those that are called to attend the EF Mass? Those aren’t always in your area?

    Then what? Categorical Imperatives that don’t have root in theological truth fall short I believe.

  • http://dailywoof.wordpress.com Kensington

    I’m sure this doesn’t reflect very well on me, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Fr. Pfleger leave the Church.

  • Cindy

    Good stuff. Thanks for the clear voice.

    On a side note, we have priests here in our diocese – Pensacola-Tallahassee – who have been the pastor in their churches for 30+ years. No one moves anyone. Priests leave of course. But if you get a Parish and you don’t leave the church, you’re basically a lifer.

    I’ve never lived in a large, urban area like Chicago so I don’t know those particular challenges.

  • ChronicSinner

    I subscribe to RealCatholicTV.com, and have found it to be a treasure trove of outstanding Catholic teaching, theology, philosophy, and commentary…all for the cheap price of $10 a month.

    Mr. Voris certainly doesn’t mince words when it comes to what the Magisterium actually teaches…which is more than can be said for way too many of the heterodox and heretical stuff spewed from the pulpit since the “Springtime of Vatican II” dawned 45 years ago. This includes the man that Mrs. Scalia ridiculously juxtaposes Mr. Voris against in her terribly reasoned and maudlin piece above. She again falls into the non sequitor that, when speaking about Church teaching, it is revelant to extrapolate a person’s position on the political spectrum by observing their level of loyalty to Magesterial teaching. This is compounded by the fallacy that “Jesus is balance”, which is completely absurd, since He took very rock solid stands on very divisive issues that alienated most of His fellow countrymen, to the point they wanted Him murdered and called for “His blood to be upon them and their children.”

    It is a simple fact, that what the Church needs is more Voris types and less Fr. Pfleger types, as it is the former who actually show some loyalty to the Magisterium and the latter who abuse their consecrated status to create nothing but fiefdoms of dissent that imperil souls and turn the Mass into vehicles for community organizing. It is extremely ironic, that on a day when it hits the news that 97-98% of Catholics engage in artficial contraception no doubt as a result of the squishy and heretical teachings of the Fr. Pleger types, we have a blog post that whines about the technique of someone who actually defends Church teaching across the board, including contraception.

  • Gerry

    “Msgr. Conneally was the pastor of St. Monica’s for 26 years from 1923 to 1949, when he died at St. John’s Hospital after a brief illness.”

    “Msgr. Torgerson has been in residence at St. Monica Parish for 28 years …”

  • HV Observer

    Father Pfleger hints that he might rebel against the (successor) bishop to whom he pledged fidelity when he was ordained decades ago.

    Michael Voris is asking people to abandon parishes that (might) preach about paganism on Easter Sunday, a day that we’re supposed to hear sermons about the supreme event of world history, the Resurrection of Our Sovereign Lord Jesus Christ.

    Potential extreme infidelity vs. rejection of extreme infidelity.

    How difficult is the right decision here?

  • http://victor-undergo.blogspot.com/ Victor

    Anchoress, I know that there still are a LOT of problems in our Catholic church but I truly believe that as long as we don’t give UP and try solving our problems by making packs with so called reality and/or spiritual dogs, I’m sure that Christ will come to our rescue in His Good Old Way.

    I hear ya! Maybe He’ll come a lot quicker if we do give into these so called spiritual dogs of our days?

    Stop trying to put words in the mouth of our Anchoress sinner vic! :)

    God Bless Peace

  • brother jeff

    The usccb issued something about discussing earth day during holy week? That is kind of weird. I find it hard to believe.

  • John

    You mentioned Heather King earlier this week, which led to this post: http://shirtofflame.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-i-avoid-both-catholic-left-and.html , which absolutely fits this discussion!

  • http://whiterosebrian.deviantart.com Brian A Cook

    Thank you, Elizabeth. I actually meant to bring up the seriousness of espousing “benevolent dictatorship”. I’ve seen other videos of Voris’ as well and I’ve seen a lot of name-calling, conspiracy-mongering, and reduction of human lives into abstractions. Enough about a particular man! You make the important point of fixing one’s gaze upon Jesus Christ. I will simply hope that the end of Lent goes well for you and me.

  • Gino Dalpiaz

    A VOICE FROM THE GRAVE

    When I hear Fr. Pflegher and other illuminati threatening to leave the Catholic Church or pontificating about its imminent demise, I hear the sober words of the noted English historian, Thomas Bebington, Lord Macaulay, (1800–1859)—himself not a Catholic:

    “There is not, and there never was on the earth, a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together the two great ages of human civilization.

    “No other institution is left standing which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon and when camelopards and tigers bounded in the Flavia Amphitheatre. The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared with the line of the Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back in an unbroken series from the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth century and far beyond the time of Pepin the August dynasty extended till it is lost in the twilight of fable. The Republic of Venice came next in antiquity. But the Republic of Venice was modern when compared with the papacy; the Republic of Venice is gone; the papacy remains not in decay, not as a mere antique, but full of life and youthful vigor. The Catholic Church is still sending forth to the farthest ends of the world missionaries as zealous as those who landed in Kent with Augustine, and is still confronting hostile Kings with the same spirit with which it confronted Attila …

    “She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments (churches) that now exist in the world, and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine when Grecian eloquence still flourished in Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the Temple of Mecea. And she may still exist in undiminished vigor when some traveler from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on the broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul’s.”

  • Papalheart

    Great article! I too thought Real Catholic TV was going to be something akin to EWTN, ……NOT!
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    I totally agree with all you have said in this article. I can’t imagine why a priest would be in a parish for 30 years, no wonder he is so puffed up!

    Having said that, I do know of priests that have been in the same parish for long periods of time, but are so holy, and loyal to all that is Catholic, I think it is more because the Bishop appreciates the way they bring priests to the diocese, and many faithful into the Church every year.

    Humble priests, Holy Priests, they are out there, and we need more of them!

  • http://jscafenette.com/ Manny

    “Don’t put a mitre on the head of any loudmouth in the blogosphere or Catholic media, especially me.” -Mark Shea

    Mr. Shea doesn’t have to worry. I certainly would never think of doing that. ;)

  • Joe

    Anchoress: Having now watched Vorris’ video, I wonder just what you found so alarming? The fact he said we have moved beyond a Protestantizing to a Paganizing of the faith? The fact he said vote with your feet and find a parish you can better support? You must not believe there is a serious spiritual war on, is all I can say. And to lump Vorris with Fr. P? You owe him an apology.

    ["vote with your feet"? There is no voting. This is not a political game. -admin]

  • Joe

    Doubly ironic when you invoke the hoot from the hip Shea!!

  • Duane Bambusch

    I’ll put my money on Michael Voris. Just sent RealCatholicTV $50.00. Keep up the GREAT work Michael.

  • Scott123

    Your comparison is ridiculous.
    Fr. Pleger is a heretic and Voris is a devout – if militant – part of the church militant.
    To complain about Voris’ choice of words, while millions of souls are going to hell because of heretical priests and bad liturgy and teaching is just stupid.
    Has your head been in the sand all this time?
    The problem of the last 45 years has been weak-kneed Catholics not standing up to heretics in clerical garb.

  • A Random Friar

    I admire those parishioners who stick by their parish through thick and thin. I do not agree with how Mr. Voris presented his argument, but allow me to add one observation: many parishioners already do vote with their feet. Some like the preaching more on this side of town. They might like the programs on that side of town. They’re mad at this pastor, so they go to the next parish. They like a more traditional Mass, so off to the suburb over there. They like hanging with the kids at Newman and Life-Teen so they feel young and alive. And now, we’ve gotten more and more ethnic parishes, which provide comfort and support to immigrant families. “Parish-shopping” is more the rule than the exception in some places. While I do not encourage this, neither could I blame anyone for going where they are spiritually-fed, as they say. If I were a layman and I thought Fr. Pastor was more concerned about pet issues than preaching the Gospel, I might move too.

    I do not think that Mr. Voris is on par with Fr. Pfleger, as far as potential for causing schism and division, but the method might hurt the very thing Mr. Voris hopes to build. As the saints and the uncanonized wise have taught us, “Win the argument, lose the soul.” Although there is a time and season for tough love, if that’s all we got, then we’re going to have to answer to Our Lord.

  • A Random Friar

    And just one more thing (uh, oh I just turned into Columbo): St. Francis de Sales, St. Dominic, St. Francis Xavier and many other saints have succeeded in large part because of kindness, compassion and humility were their usual method of evangelization, winning hostile crowds (whether heretic or pagan) back to the Holy Faith.

    And I am not one to back away from the Truth. I preach it, stay on message, but if it turns into a bully pulpit week after week, daily Mass after daily Mass, I will be left preaching to whatever’s left of the choir.

  • marieteresa

    I also put my money on Michael Voris. And what I find very sad is certainly not Michael’s tone or delivery, but the self-righteous sermons coming from self described good Catholic bloggers and writers who insist on messing in their own nest and causing division and hardship to orthodox Catholics when we should be supporting one another. It is all the stuff of which needs to be burned out in purgatory.
    Michael Voris deserves the highest regard and respect for living his Confirmation graces as a memeber of the Church militant in a sea of stinking cry baby Catholics who put negative spins on truth. And this blogged article is one of them.

  • Ron Van Wegen

    Robert wrote, “I used to subscribe to Real Catholic TV, when it first started, thinking it would be something like EWTN, but I quickly saw how extreme (and weird) Voris was. I tried to unsubscribe, and actually had a really hard time doing it. I finally had to resort to threats to get off of their mailing list. I think Voris and his ilk are dangerous people, and someday we will see just how dangerous.”

    I, too, found it very difficult to unsubscribe and had to endure some pretty testy emails from someone at their site before I could. It was the most difficult unsubscribing process I’ve ever had to endure.I left really, really angry.

    There’s something seriously wrong right there.

  • Max Lindenman

    H.L. Mencken had a higher opinion of the Catholic Church than he had of other religions, for the simple reason that she was governed by a class of educated professionals. Unlike American Protestant denominations, she would never fall into the hands of brain-dead briarhoppers — or, as he himself liked to call them, Ku Kluxers.

    I’m with Mencken. I’ll take a pound of clericalism over an ounce of populsm any old day.

  • James Locke

    I am going to be perfectly honest and say to those people who are telling us we should just “talk to the pastor” and “express concerns” are being naive.

    I tried that, many many times at this one parish here in Dallas. What changed? Nothing. The priest simply brushed me off, ignored me, said I was to young to understand or not learned enough or told me he was allowed to change the words of the mass.

    These days, you need to be more drastic than simply putting up with the sinful abuses. You need to make it perfectly clear that the parishes you support are the Orthodox ones.

  • Barbara Jensen

    May Jesus Christ Be Praise!
    Dear Anchoress,
    Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I smell fear. To describe Michael Voris as a ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ is a little bit extreme, and it indicates to me that you find him most uncomfortable. He speaks openly of the covert schism that has plagued the Roman Catholic Church for over 40 years now. Holy Mother the Church is riddled with apostates, especially in her corrupt bishops, and unless these apostates are confronted openly now, we will see the true Church go underground. How many churches have to close, how many affronts to Catholic doctrine and moral teaching have to be observed, before the reality of what is happening right before your eyes sinks in? The time for approaching one’s pastor humbly has passed; as everyone knows, anyone who does so will be yessed to death and ignored, if not ridiculed and marginalized.
    You speak of Jesus as being ‘balance’. Madame, Jesus is Truth. He said that our speech should be ‘Yes! Yes! and No! No!’, and that ‘anything else was from the evil one. Your glib expectation that most pastors will throw the Earth Day memo in the ‘circular filing cabinet’ indicates that you are not yet aware of just how critical the state of the Catholic Church really is. What seems to be missed by you is the malignant and far-reaching root of the Earth Day memo, as was explained by Michael Voris. This is its danger and significance. By the way, Michael Voris not only thinks that the ‘Pope is okay’, but he also thinks the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, as well as her Catechism, are ‘okay’ too. These sources are not his particular brand of Catholicism, but the REAL brand which we do not hear spoken about in so many Catholic Churches today.
    That you have a kinship with Mark Shea tells me much; such sloppy journalism. If you find Michael Voris offensive, you might want to read Christ before the pharisees; now that is offensive. The balance you promulgate is the mediocrity that has led us to where we are now. I’m with Jeus; I vomit it out of my mouth.
    P.S. I have a suggestion. Read the great Catherine of Sienna; she makes Michael Voris look like a wimp.

  • Byzcat

    Anchoress: Father Pfleger is a heretic. He should be disciplined, not honored. He is disobedient, and his celebration of the liturgy is full of abuses. He was recently honored by Cardinal George with a lifetime achievement award. This is another example of a politically correct Archbishop playing to a crowd within the local Church. You do not know what we, in Chicago, have endured under our Cardinal Archbishops since Cardinal Cody. Opine on things you understand. Here you are out of your depth. Your liberal past is showing here.
    Regarding Michael Voris, he is right on the money. You may not like it, but he speaks the truth. At least he mentions the reality of hell and the possibility of going there, something I, in the last 53 years of being a Catholic, have heard mentioned maybe 5 times in sermons, even though Our Lord mentioned hell more than any other subject in the Gospels. The bishops in Americhurch have been TRAITOROUS to the Faith. Voris tells the truth. Many of us agree with him wholeheartedly. I left the “Latin” Rite and joined the Eastern Rite for the good of my soul, after enduring 40 years of liturgical abuses and heretical or semi-heretical sermons. Just remember that when Henry VIII demanded that the Bishops of England apostatize, all except John Fischer chose the easy (and deadly) route.
    Honestly, the only reason I read your blog today is that it was linked from another site. I used to read you daily, but you are too willing to play to the mushy middle. I don’t agree with most of your blogs anymore, so I have stopped reading them.

  • Leo Madigan

    Thanks Chronicsinner. Michael Voris is the sanest Catholic media voice in the US since Fulton Sheen. I watch him daily and applaud. I also pray daily that when the dark conglomorous ‘they’ suceed in silencing him he shows the same humility as Fulton Sheen. Silence is the default state of a conscientious anchoress, incidentally.
    Leo Madigan.
    Fatima Portugal.

  • Iris Paustian

    Have never subscribed to cable and now don’t even get regular TV since it went HD and I never converted. (Didn’t watch it enough to trouble with the converter box or a new set.) The television is only turned on now to see DVD we own.

    As for Fr. Pfleger, it is good to see his guardian angel on the job! I had a couple of Masses said for the intentions of his guardian angel a couple of years ago (because I new he needed help to correct himself) and have been somewhat impatient with his continuing shenanigans.

    Iris Celeste

  • janet

    The “voting with yer feet” concept is no solution to anything but making one feel better short term. It does nothing at all to bring about change for the better. I’ll tell you what does. Holiness, humility & conversion and it starts within.

    A decade ago when I came home after nearly 30 years away I remember being shocked & disappointed to see so many people sitting during communion. I stuck around and began noticing more & more people who were kneeling, young people, very devout staying after Mass to pray before the Blessed Sacrament. I really believe that holiness they showed is contagious & attractive, especially among the youth. Just one person can light that spark that spreads.

    I also believe that what I’m looking for is what I’ll find. If I’m looking for liturgical abuse that’s surely what I’ll find, but if I’m looking for holiness then that’s what I find. In that Voris Earth Day video he’s looking for trouble and spreading that negative attitude to others. No thanks!

    I do have to admit I’ve been Parish hopping. I go to one a bit further on weekdays because they have benediction & exposition daily for an hour after Mass. On Sundays I’m still trying to find that parish with acoustics more suitable for the hard of hearing, but always end up going to the same place even though I can barely make out a word here or there.

  • http://www.cdobs.com John Powers

    I still don’t understand the objection to moving along to another Parish. The physical church is not the Church. It is really easy to get sidelined in a Parish for decades after beating your head against a wall on liturgical abuse issues.

    Why not move along and positively contribute to a Parish? We had a Priest who took up some concocted American Indian ceremony during the Catholic Mass. My wife and I objected to the Priest, who ignored us (as did his Bishop), and continued with his Ghost Dance thing for a few years, till he checked into a drug rehab, and came out a mediocre, but sober Priest. We had already moved on 6 blocks up the road, and wished him well.

    As Fr. Pfleger says, there is a wide variety of Catholic Mass available in an urban area such as Chicago. There are Franciscan, Dominican, Jesuit, Benedictine,and Latin Mass Parishes all over the Archdiocese. Why stick with one or another because of a geographical coincidence?

    JBP

  • Karen LH

    I disagree with you on a couple of points.

    First of all, it’s not “unthinkable” to leave a priest at the same parish for many years. Our previous pastor was at our church for about that long, and we have a healthy, orthodox parish with vocations out the wazoo.

    Secondly, the parish we belong to is not our geographical parish but the neighboring one, and in fact we had to also switch dioceses in order to switch parishes. In our case, we had just moved to the area, and I was planning to start RCIA in a few months, and our geographical parish was so liberal as to be of questionable orthodoxy. I would absolutely not have wanted my Catholic formation to occur there.

    While I agree that both of these practices do have the dangers that you mention, I don’t think that it’s correct to condemn them out of hand. You have to look at individual cases.

  • Mom to many

    While I can understand some not liking the delivery of Michael Voris’s message, overall the message is solid. To compare him to Father Pfleger, who at times, doesn’t even seem to have an authentic Liturgy, is wrong.

  • James

    “Wolf in sheep’s clothing”? C’mon. I too like Mr. Voris. Perhaps what others might not agree on is his technique of spreading the faith, but let’s face it, the Truth hurts. Some prefer to water it down or better yet “dumb” down the Truth, but in this day in age sometimes you need to be a little more direct. By the way, Pflager needs to take a page out of Mr. Voris’ book and show a little humility towards the magisterium and teaching authority of the Church.

  • sylvia stasinski

    “imperfectly-administered church” How right you are. My husband works for a very large archdiocese which shall remain nameless. After working with the various bishops and pastors in his vicariate he has come to the conclusion that the only way the catholic church is still in existence is because of the Holy Spirit, if it depended on the administration it would be doomed.

  • DCScott

    I have never visited Michael Voris’ site, so I know nothing about him. His ardent defenders here, though, give me pause. They come across as supporters of division and schism.

    “The bishops in Americhurch have been TRAITOROUS to the Faith.” – Really, Byzcat? Every single one? May I ask you who put you in the position to judge?

    I think, Byzcat, that in your hyperbole you reinforced the point that the Anchoress was trying to make. That is, Michael Voris’ rhetoric may be responsible for dividing the Church and thus a little misguided.

    Again, not having seen his website, my comments may be off base. I am only commenting on what I read here from his defenders.

  • Tired

    I would have titled this post: “Here’s some Catholic gasbaggery on the topic of Catholic gasbaggery”. ; )

  • Tired

    Honestly, I don’t see what the tizzy is all about. I’m not a subscriber of Mr. Voris, but it was obvious to me that he was just saying if the priest at your parish is preaching Paganism, you might want to find another parish where the priests preach Christianity. Seems like common sense to me.

  • Sammy

    I think this is clear evidence of lukewarmness…. “You were neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out.” I call you milktoasts!

  • Roz Smith

    When the comment about Hillary Clinton came into the news three years ago I believe you said Fr, Pfleger was otherwise by all evidence a good parish priest. I am glad to see you have since changed your mind. His is a text book case of why it is a bad idea to make a short term feel good exception to personnel policies.

    I believe that part of the job at Leo High School involves a lot of fund raising both to maintain the physical facility and to establish scholarships for its mostly poor black male student body. Fr. Pfleger’s vast network of contacts in the south side community would be a genuine asset in this regards. Over the years Fr. Plfeger has been highly vocal about the south side community’s need to do more for young black people, going so far as to personally adopt children out of foster care. I suspect that what the Archbishop has done here is to call Pfleger and his acolytes bluff. The assignment being offered is both a tremendous challenge and a way to continue to serve Chicago’s black community. This time if there is a threat of schism to keep Pfleger at St. Sabina it looks like it is only so they can all stay in their comfortable little cocoon.

  • tom lewis

    Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen once said it’s the voice of the faithful that will keep the clergy in line. Michael Voris is the Glenn Beck of the U.S. Catholic Church and it’s not surprising the liberal, progressive members, including the clergy are attempting to demonizing him. Our church has been reduced to the ideology of “liberation theology” or Collective Salvation, what the Holy Father called “Demonic.” Stop and think, if the bishops would have came out with a strong voice agaisnt voting for the most “pro culture of death” presidentail candidate, the faithful could give them some “pro life” credit. However, as made clear in the Catholic and Voting letter we found in our week bullitins the phrase “racism is as evil as abortion.” It was obvious what was on the bishops minds with these instructions to the Catholic voter, it was not the unborn. (Racism is evil, but not so evil that it out weights the slaughter of the innocent.) Clown Masses, Ballons Masses, Animals attending Masses, dancing “Fairies” during Mass, on and on, whose going to care enough about Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist enough to speak up? God Bless Michael Voris and his programs.