not all religions are created equal, sometimes I am right, and I like kittens more than being ecumenical…

… I always have the most frustrating conversations about religion with my close friend, who shall forever be referred to here as The Non-Catholic. The Non-Catholic & I have tried without success to date on several occasions. In every possible way we are compatible except for matters of faith and religion. It is for that reason we remain such close friends, and nothing more. Sometimes love can not conquer all, which is why when asked I do not recommend people start romantic relationships with those who don’t hold their same beliefs. There will come a time during the course of the relationship where someone must make a compromise, especially if children are involved, and Catholicism is just one of those things I hold above compromise.

This is my own personal choice, to not get romantically involved with men who are not practicing Catholics. I just feel marriage and relationships can be hard enough without the added issue of differing religious beliefs.

These opinions I have may not be the most popular or religiously ecumenical, but the fact is I’m quite tired of ecumenism. That was what our most recent conversation was about. Ecumenism, or more specifically, tip toeing around the sensibilities of other religions. He finds it elitist a Catholic’s claim of belonging to the One True Church. I suppose this assertion goes against popular belief that all religions have equal measure and are deserving of equal respect.

To my dear friend religion is just another personal choice, like who to date or whether to have coffee or tea for breakfast. It doesn’t matter what religion you choose to follow if it works for you. But that is not what Catholicism is. It is not just another choice on the buffet of beliefs. He thinks my stubborn persistence that Catholicism is the True Faith founded by Christ to be nothing more than a desire to be right.

However, it is Catholicism that is right, not I. You can not apply the same rightness to all religions if you truly believe and acknowledge the rightness of Catholicism. Does that make any sense? How could I possibly grant equal legitimacy to other religions under the guise of personal choice without making my own faith appear less legitimate? By suggesting religion is nothing more than a lifestyle choice reduces Catholicism to just one of the many spiritual options.

I suppose given these strong claims it seems odd that I’ve made Patheos my new home, perhaps almost contradictory. Right there on the main Patheos page is the chance to do a side by side comparison of various religions. It offers those visiting the site the opportunity to pick the best religion to suit their needs, or conveniences. Here’s the thing, because I so confidently believe in the supremacy of the Church I know that She can undergo a little scrutiny, as there is no comparison to the Truth. That Patheos offers a “balanced view of religions” doesn’t mean I am required to offer a balanced view. I write on their Catholic portal and my views are unapologetically Catholic.

I know this sounds condescending to someone who isn’t Catholic and surprisingly I put a lot of effort in writing this to make it sound less so. But it is what it is – Catholicism is the True Faith. Whether anyone disagrees doesn’t make it any less so. I realize writing for Patheos opens up a readership to people of all various beliefs, and I welcome and invite you to participate in the comments; however, that doesn’t require me to tone down the Catholicism or present it as anything less than it is – the Truth.

Should someone happen upon this blog through Patheos’s comparison, in search of some truth, I need to make it clear in my writing that the truth they’re looking for can only be found in Catholicism. To accomplish that I must emphatically, and without reservation, declare that Catholicism is the One True Faith.

Period.

About Katrina Fernandez

Mackerel Snapping Papist

  • Jeanne Chabot

    I agree. It all comes down to this, if we did NOT believe that we had the one true faith, why would we believe at all? What would be the point? If you don’t believe what you believe, then you don’t really believe do you? It all becomes worthless and empty. If I were not Catholic, I would be atheist. End of story.

    I also agree that marriage is hard enough without adding difference of belief to it. As a Catholic person married to an atheist person with whom I am compatible in every other way, I can totally confirm the fact that love can NOT conquer all.

  • http://ddoylewyd.wordpress.com/ David Doyle

    After reading this, I am reminded of one of the amazing things this Christmas Season-Catholics Come Home on every major station. “For over 2000 years, we’ve had an unbroken line of shepherds guiding the Catholic Church with love and truth in a confused and hurting world. And in this world filled with chaos, hardship, and pain, its comforting to know that some things remain consistent, true, and strong- our Catholic faith and the eternal love that God has for all creation”

    The fact that the Catholic Church is the one true Church needs to be proclaimed from all places, and you do a great job here, and specifically in this post. Sometimes, you can tip-toe around it, and sometimes you need to be blunt and state it outright. But no matter the method, media, or audience, it needs to be said, so Thank You for that.

    • Wayneg87

      I live with my friend who is catholic. My girlfriend was born and raised catholic. I love my catholic brothers. I cant help but consider popes like this when i here the words ..the catholic church is the one true church.
      The reward for “Baddest Pope Ever” arguably goes to Rodrigo Borgia, who enjoyed the benefits of having an uncle who just happened to be Pope Calixtus III. Thanks to his convenient social status, Borgia passed through the ranks of bishop, cardinal, and vice-chancellor, gaining enormous wealth along the way. In 1492, he was actually able to buy his way into the papacy, defeating two other opponents by means of bribery.

      Read more: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php#ixzz1huDXxVur

    • Wayneg87

      I live with my friend who is catholic. My girlfriend was born and raised catholic. I love my catholic brothers. I cant help but consider popes like this when i here the words ..the catholic church is the one true church.
      The reward for “Baddest Pope Ever” arguably goes to Rodrigo Borgia, who enjoyed the benefits of having an uncle who just happened to be Pope Calixtus III. Thanks to his convenient social status, Borgia passed through the ranks of bishop, cardinal, and vice-chancellor, gaining enormous wealth along the way. In 1492, he was actually able to buy his way into the papacy, defeating two other opponents by means of bribery.

      Read more: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php#ixzz1huDXxVur

      • Sue from Buffalo

        You can’t buy your way into papacy. Someone steered you wrong.

        • Wayneg87

          My Sister Sue, writers of the time have preserved accounts of the times. Many writers. its corroborated. Tell me, you think all men who sat in that seat were angels?….Thank you for your response..i am privileged to respond to you….Wayne

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Then help me out and show me references. Why would I assume that all the Popes were angels? Not even Jesus’ apostles were good as gold. I’m curious as to why you would jump to the conclusion that either these men were either angels or buying their way into the papacy.
            Have you checked into my other responses to your posts yet? In one of them I asked a question, “What does the Bible say is the pillar and foundation of truth?”

          • Wayneg87

            The Lamb of god is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Everyone knows that. Some deny it. Salvation is thru the blood of the Lamb. No one else. Even though some religion tries to muddy the waters with a female deity. Its a trick to get your eyes off Christ…..love..Wayne

          • Sue from Buffalo

            That’s not what the Bible says, Wayne. That is what you’re saying and it goes against the Bible. Please refer to Tim 3:15

          • Wayneg87

            Yes Sue, the scriptures make us wise unto salvation. And the scriptures are good for all lessons. The CC says the scriptures need help, from them. Did you look up the snake passage?…thanks..Wayne

          • gina101

            2 Thess: 2:15 “So then, brothers, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.” It’s both, tradition and written, not the bible alone.
            God bless.

          • Wayneg87

            Notice how he says brothers. Hes talking to the already saved folks. The tradition is the scriptures, cause lots of times they didnt have the written ones cause there werent enough to go around. No, tradition doesnt mean bowing befor idols….Thanks..Wayne

          • Anonymous

            Exactly how does telling them to follow the oral teachings mean follow only the written one?

          • Anonymous

            Scripture never says it is the only source of knowledge that a Christian needs. Indeed, it explicitly denies it, because Paul gives orders that the oral teaching is to be followed as well as that given in letters, and is to be carefully transmitted.

            Furthermore, it denies that Scripture is a matter of personal interpretation.

            (And I note you don’t respond to the actual response: that the Bible affirms that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, which you explicitly denied.)

          • Sue from Buffalo

            And by the way, in case you were referring to the Roman Catholic Church…we have NO female deities. Goes against Catholic teachings.

          • Wayneg87

            Sister Sue, i wont, at the moment , go to the catechism and get quotes, because im cooking dinner. But this Mary the CC has invented is the mediatrix of all grace. Sounds like a deity to me. …thanks…Wayne

          • Anonymous

            We didn’t invent Mary. She’s in the Bible, you know.

          • Wayneg87

            Yes, Mary is in the bible. Can you be a dear and give me the quote where she floats up to heaven to her throne?…Thanks…Wayne

          • Anonymous

            Show me where in the Bible it says I have to show you in the Bible.

          • gina101

            Actually, the bible doesn’t say that. 1 Timothy 3:15 says “the CHURCH of the living God” is “the pillar and foundation of the truth.”

          • Wayneg87

            Giana, i assume you are female, so i can call you sister. The church is the body of Christ. So jesus is still the pillar of truth…Thanks…Wayne

          • Anonymous

            And conversely this affirms that since the Church is the Body of Christ it is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

      • gina101

        Yes, he was a bad man. Being pope doesn’t mean you’re impeccable; it means he is infallible in teaching on faith and morals. Even Peter denied Christ (for which he later cried bitter tears) but Christ still gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven and the authority to bind and loose (Matthew 16:19) because no one on earth is perfect.

        • Wayneg87

          At the risk of repeating myself, the new testament is for the already saved. The unsaved and religious folks dont understand it. All born again have the keys of heaven, not just Peter. No man is special. Thats one of the probs with religion…they make certain men special. They put costumes on them, then kiss their feet or ring. Quite funny when you think about it…..Thanks…Wayne

          • Oregon Catholic

            If every born-again had the keys of heaven they would all be in agreement and belong to one unified church of the body of Christ. Reality is anything but.

          • Anonymous

            Then why oh why did Jesus give the keys only to Peter? I can’t be because of his confession of faith. Martha confessed her faith after the death of her brother, and she didn’t get the keys.

  • Joseph Moore

    This is also an irony test: that people who will dogmatically and with no wiggle-room allowed declare that all religion are equally valid, and then get all bent about other people’s dogmatism when they disagree.

    In the immortal words of Emerson Cod: The truth ain’t like puppies, a bunch of them running around, you pick your favorite. One truth, and it has come a knockin’.

  • Camille Mittermeier

    Odd how I’m having a hard time with this topic and it seems to be popping up all around me! Being surrounded by people who range from card carrying atheist to hard core catholic I find I am too easily “OK” with people of other faiths and do not challenge them because “at least they beleive SOMETHING”. But its just a ruse, the real issue is that I am not sure I can whole heartily say we are the only path… like I said above, its a hard topic for me right now. Defend that for me, I need to learn! I know I need to get there.

    And I agree partially with you on the differences in faith, we can bring our spouses to the faith as several saints have done. The real question is “is this who God wants me to be with”. In my case, our faith was one of the ways God made it clear this was the guy (I had two proposals on the table), so I do think it can be a decisive factor :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728802907 Christine Niles

    “Catholicism is the One True Faith.”

    Amen, sister! It can’t be said enough these days…

    • Wayneg87

      christine my sister, One True Faith is a slogan. All major religions say the same thing. Which one is true? Asking to be born again and being born again is the only way to be in the body of Christ. According to Jesus, that is. A religion will have methods of joining. Do this, read that, sign here. If you examine them close, you will see unbiblical practices in them all. Like bowing to graven images, and magic underwear. A religion that practices bowing befor statues should immediately raise a red flag. They can justify it all day, but in the end, it still keeps you from the love of god because those who practice such are out of the will of god. Thanks…..Wayne

      • Dr. Eric

        Wayne,

        The bible states that the only way to be born again is through Baptism. Haven’t you read St. John 3:5; St. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Ezekiel 36:25; Acts 10:47-48; Acts 22:16; Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12; 1 Peter 3:21; or Galatians 3:26-27?

        • Wayneg87

          He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Mark 16 16. Brother Eric, its baptism with the holy ghost, as at pentacost. They had all been dunked in water. But they werent born again. The holy spirit gives you a new spirit, from heaven, that knows Jesus personally. No one goes up to heaven except one who comes down from heaven. You can dunk all the people you want. if they arent born again, well, they arent saved. its hard to explain. You have to get saved. Ask Jesus to show himself to you. Do it tonite. Today is the day of salvation. ….Thanks..Wayne

          • dboncan

            Yet James 14:26 says “faith without works dead.” How would you reconcile scripture in its entirety as it pertains to salvation. The Catholic Church seems to be able to do that seamlessly. All is Grace-giving faith-shown through good Works. Not by a mere expression of being “born again.” Besides, notice how Christ refers to water when he talks to Nicodemus about being born again… through WATER and the SPIRIT… sacrament of baptism an outward sign, WATER, of inner grace, the Holy Spirit.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi DB. James is speaking to the born again folks. Good works follow being saved, not the other way around. Thanks…Wayne

          • gina101

            Wayne, God bless you, but dear brother in Christ, open your heart to the Holy Trinity who wishes you to be in the Church founded by our Lord 2,000 years ago, not any of the ones begun as offshoots since the 16th century by mere man. My friend, there was no New Testament bible for the first THREE HUNDRED-plus years until the Church canonized one and put the gospels and letters together in them in the first place under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

            Phillipians 2:12: “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling…” What’s to work out if once baptized one is already “saved”?

            Luke 9:23: “Then he said to them all: ‘Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross DAILY and follow me.”

            “Paul made very clear in Romans 2:6-8 that good works are necessary for attaining eternal life, at least for those capable of performing them: ‘For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.’”

            “Romans 11:22. ‘Note then the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, PROVIDED YOU CONTINUE in his kindness; OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF.’”

            http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/we-can-work-it-out

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Giana, the new testament was written for the born again, and speaks to the born again. Not the religious folks. Even thought religious folks quote it, it doesnt belong to them. Thanks…Wayne

          • Anonymous

            Who are you to judge who is born again?

      • Sue from Buffalo

        Here we go, again. Interesting that you like to take things out of context. We don’t bow before statues. We use statues to help us focus on our prayers. (come on. We all know who you were referring to). There is nothing unbiblical in the Catholic Church. I would ask you who or what does the Bible say is the pillar and foundation of truth?
        1 Timothy 3:15.

        • Wayneg87

          Sister Sue, you say we(catholics) dont bow in front of statues? Ill leave it for some other catholic to answer that one. Lets say this… ive been to the vatican, and my best friends are catholic and ive been to mass with them….thanks for your honest answer my sister.

      • Dick Landkamer

        Wayne, assuming that you drive a car, when you stop at an intersection that has a stop sign, are you being obedient to the stop sign or to the legitimate governmental authority that placed the stop sign at the intersection? I’m confident that you will not claim for yourself obedience to a piece of metal, or plastic, or whatever the stop sign is made of. The case is similar for statues. They are signs that represent a reality, but they are not the reality themselves. Honor that may appear to be going to a statue (the sign) is, in fact, being given to the reality to which the sign points.

        • Wayneg87

          Thank you Brother Dick, for your honest response. I have been witnessing to people for many yrs now. And it never ceases to amaze me how catholics justify bowing befor statues. You know what brother, i was unsaved at one time. And i believed all kinds of odd stuff. I chanted hari krisna, then i tried nishren shoshu, all the while i went to church with my family. You need to ask Jesus to show himself to you. ..Thanks…Wayne

          • Dick Landkamer

            Wayne, you didn’t answer the question I posed, so I’m wondering if you have considered the difference between a sign and the reality to which a sign points. This difference is at the heart of the issue regarding the use of statues and images in religious worship.

            To extend the concept a bit further, God has designed the world such that it is a sign that points to Him. He uses the visible to point to and, thus, make known invisible realities: “Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made” (Romans 1:20). So, what I stated in my prior post is more of an elucidation than a justification. When we properly use images in devotional practices, we are imitating what God Himself has done with creation.

          • Wayneg87

            Ok. Well, lets scratch the 2nd commandment. Thanks…Wayne

          • Dick Landkamer

            Wayne, you still didn’t answer my original question. You tend to speak in generalities that can be understood in a variety of ways and, thus, do not enable one to decide an issue. My question objectively gets to the heart of the matter regarding the use of signs in religious worship. So, once again I ask, when you stop at a stop sign, are you showing obedience to the sign or the reality to which the sign points?

          • Nemesis

            To interpret the second commandment to mean that any bowing down before any images is wrong is to interpret out of context. Joshua knew the second commandment, yet in Joshua 7:6-7, we read “And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads. And Joshua said, Alas, O Lord GOD, wherefore hast thou at all brought this people over Jordan, to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us? would to God we had been content, and dwelt on the other side Jordan!” The Ark of the LORD was topped by the mercy seat, with two images of cherubim. Also, in 1 Kings 8:54, we read “And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.” No one should scratch the second commandment, nor should they scratch other verses of the Bible that show their interpretation of that second commandment to be incorrect.

  • +JMJ+ @TotusTuusFamily

    Excellent.

    Sharing.

    Why hold a belief if you don’t feel strongly in it’s veracity?

  • tj.nelson

    Hopefully I will not intimidate any of your readers with this comment, but as my kitteh Agnes tells me each day, “Dad, kittehs do not have to go to Mass – so don’t make a big deal about it.”

    I always respond, “Well then Hon, just say your prayers as best you can.”

  • Lori

    Stick to your guns! I did the same thing (eventually would only date Catholics or those seriously willing to convert), and we are now married 22 years!

  • http://jscafenette.com/ Manny

    Crescat, my wife is Jewish and I’m Catholic. It’s hard. We married when I wasn’t as devout. It’s been over 20 years. As religion has grown in importance in my life, I’ve often wished my wife could share it with me. She gives me full scope to practice as long as I respect her borders. So it works, but it doesn’t always feel like a coherent home. Take my experience for what it’s worth.

    • Lori

      Manny, my parents are of two different religions (one was Anabaptist and one was Lutheran). We ended up not having any Church or specific religion growing up. We were “Christian” and prayed, but it was not the same.
      All of my siblings and I are Catholic now (and grandchildren). My parents have not converted (yet) and still do not have a Church or specific religion. Have you ever thought of doing a study together on the Jewish roots of Catholicism? There is so much in common and so much that points to Catholicism, it might at least bring about a little bit more understanding…

      • Manny

        Thanks for replying Lori. I personally have explored the Jewish roots of Catholicism, and I bring it up on occiasion to my wife. She generally feels uncomfortable discussing religion. But we have agreed to raise our son Catholic.

  • craltieri47

    Kat, your attitude does not strike me as anti-ecumenical. Indeed, yours strikes me as the only ecumenically useful stance. The point here is that ecumenism is not really the thing you describe in the post as “tip-toeing around others’ religious sensibilities,” or words to that effect.

    Best,
    Chris Altieri (The Lazy Disciple)

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      I know the definition to mean, a unity or understanding of another’s faith. In the broad and common sense when people say “ecumenical” they typically mean “tolerance” and “acceptance” and all that other p-c nonsense. He was referring to the fact that my claims of Catholicism can be interpreted as not promoting a unity between other religions but instead a sense of spiritual superiority – which he claimed was un-ecumenical. Semantics, I know.

      • craltieri47

        Kat, “Ecumenism” in its true sense (i.e., what it means according to the mind of Holy Church) is full, visible communion of all the baptized in faith and sacramental life.

        In this sense, being “ecumenical” is something internal to – essential and inexricable from – being Catholic (viz. Jn 17:21).

        There are different ways of working toward the goal: some people prefer the “hard sell”, others the full-blown polemic, still others the “soft” approach that seeks to emphasize what we have in common and encourage as much common initiative as possible (e.g. common prayer services, choir presence of those with valid orders at liturgies, cooperation in works of mercy and on civil society projects and in the promotion of genuine goods like the family).

        One of the absolute worst things we can do – and we do it, and I am sure that it makes Satan laugh, if anything does – is to set up our own prefered ecumenical “attitude” or “approach” as THE ecumenical attitude or approach, spurning the others and even casting doubt on the bona fides of our brothers and sisters who do not share our view of things and of how they ought to be done.

        This is a disease that infects every part of Christian life, though we Catholics are particularly susceptible to it.

        The truth is, there is no one way of “doing ecumenism” that works equally well or even at all at all times and in all circumstances. Sometimes a slap in the face is the one thing needful, other times a hug, and still others, it is a fake dollar bill (i.e. a warm-fuzzy devoid of content) that gets the job started (though rarely finished).

        Best,
        Chris Altieri (The Lazy Disciple)

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

          Well, if everyone were just Catholic we could sod all this ecumenical kook-buggery. Thanks, Chris, for defining ecumenism in it’s truest sense. We seem to be agreeing that the idea of it doesn’t work.

          • craltieri47

            I think we agree that the idea of ecumenism as touchy-feely, “I’m OK, you’re OK” sentimentalism/syncretism is useless at best.

          • craltieri47

            At the same time, however, people shouldn’t be condemned as touchy-feely sentimental syncretists just because they pray with protestants, sing “Amazing Grace” or feed the hungry at an Orthodox soup kitchen.

  • MarcyC48

    I recently talked to my friend’s brother, who I haven’t seen in over 40 years. He told me he is attending Bible Colelge in Atlanta. He was a altar boy. His mother was a deeply religious woman who sent all her children to Catholic schools. They moved to Georgia many years ago and 2 or the 7 havesince left the Catholic faith. I said , “So you no longer believe that the Catholic Church is the one true faith?” He said “Well more or less. There is a lot I don’t believe.” I said , “You and how many millions have said,I don’t agreee with that so I’ll go start my own church? I guess that’s why we have over 34,000 denominations. Someone gets mad at their pastor and goes down the block and opens up the True Church of the Living Word of God, established in 2011. At least I can say my church has been around since 33AD and has had an unbroken line of successors starting with St. Peter unto Benedict XVI. No other church can make that claim. They all split off somewhere. “He just gave me a nervous laugh and the line “Well we all believe in the one true God.” Unfortunately I was cooking Christmas dinner and couldn’t go any further with the arguement, but I do have some great CDs by some former Protestants that are now Apologists that I plan to send him. If you have time , say a little prayer for Joe. God knows who he is!

    • Wayneg87

      Some times popes were killed just so someone else can have that seat. Often the seat was sold to the highest bidder. Once or twice two or three men claimed to be pope at the same time. Is this part of the unbroken line of succession? Thanks….wayne

      • Dr. Eric

        Do you have any references for your claims?

        • Wayneg87

          Hi Eric. Its common history. I can find site with the info, yes. If this is news to you, you might not want to believe the validity of the source. I came across the popes activities in college in history classes. I guess you want me to post some links.? Thanks….Wayne

          • Wayneg87
          • Dr. Eric

            Your point being?

          • Wayneg87

            Brother Eric, my point….These are not successor of Peter. They are men who need a job, and wealth and pomp that the office offers. No resemblance to peter what so ever. I wasnt aware Peter had people kiss his ring, in the fourier of his 1000 room manision…..thanks your loving brother Wayne

          • Alix

            My goodness, the Vatican has a FOURIER?!?! It MUST be the abode of the Anti-Christ!

          • Wayneg87

            I expected jokes. But its a matter of where your soul spends eternity.

          • Alix

            Well, I certainly won’t stand for a fourier, if that’s what you’re implying.

            You should expect jokes when you can’t take the trouble to express yourself in writing correctly. If you wish to hold a discussion in writing, then you should be prepared for people to give your arguments the same respect that you give them when you write. It certainly isn’t too much trouble to investigate what the little red underline means.

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Wayne, I followed your link but I can’t find where their sources are. Anybody can post anything. Would you show me where they get their credentials? Where they find their “facts?”
            Thank you in advance.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Sue, if the site doesnt tell you where they get their info, i cant tell you exactly where either, but the sordid ways of many of the yester year popes are well documented in non biased history books and historical documents. You must know this. I had no idea this would be news to people. Even the Pope came out and apologized for the past history of the catholic organization. I want to get past that and talk about the subject….the catholic church is the true church. …Thakns for your relpy my sister Sue. God loves you…….wayne

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Thank you, Wayne, and I love God, too, with every fiber of my being.
            I knew that there were bad popes but the one thing that they can’t escape is the teaching of faith and morals. The Holy Spirit is directing that and no pope, good or bad, can escape it.

            As far as the Pope apologizing, I remember that but it was in no shape or form for Catholic teachings. People are people, Wayne. Even Jesus had sinners among his apostles. Big bad ole sinners. God can take anything and anybody and turn it into something beautiful. Just look at the cross for an example. That is one ugly piece of wood that was used for the most ugly of purposes but God turned it into something beautiful.
            Can you imagine what he could do with you and me (and yes, the occasional bad Pope?)

          • Wayneg87

            I have no answer to that. Except that he uses the wicked likes of me, why i couldnt tell you….Love ….Wayne

        • Dr. Eric

          Actually, I’ll do you one better. Stephen VI dug up the corpse of Formosus, his predecessor as Pope, and he put the corpse on trial. The corpse of Formosus was stripped of its ecclesiastical garments, had the first 3 fingers of the right hand cut off (the ones that were used for Papal blessings) and thrown into the Tiber river.

          Does that invalidate the Catholic claims for the Pope? Nope. It doesn’t invalidate those claims any more than the fact that the Apostles gambled over the bishopric of Judas when they chose Matthias- now there’s a scandal for you.

          • Wayneg87

            Thank you Brother Eric. Since you brought it up, there is something that invalidates the office of Pope, besides the fact that Peter would have none of that accolade. Its the famous conversation with the Master Peter had. Jesus asked Peter who he is. peter said that..You are the Christ, the son of god. Jesus said…you are peter, and on this rock i build my church. The rock is what Peter said. Jesus is the Christ….that is the rock the church is built on. Jesus has been the rock thru the old and new testaments. Peter the rock? You have to be joking. You mean the one who denied Christ while cursing? Did Jesus say to peter….get thee behind me satan? I notice that is never brought up in apologetic s.
            But yes, an evil Pope and a sold seat do break any succession. I read a few days ago of the choise of a replacement apostle. I forget where. Can you give me the verse.? Thanks….Wayne

          • justingrid

            Wayne – if the Lord Jesus was referring primarily to St. Peter’s statement as the “rock” on which He would build His Church, why then did He even bother to name the Apostle Peter? He actually had a name – it was Simon. Christ’s statement makes no sense unless you hold that it was Peter upon whom He would build His Church.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Justin. God(Jesus) has always been refered to as the Rock, the cornerstone. It makes no sense that a man would would be this Rock. Its all about Jesus, it always has, always will. Your church might be built on a man. And it is. Look at the fruits…..Love….Wayne

          • Scott

            Christ gave his own name, Rock, to St. Peter, because he made him visible Head of the Church. And btw, St. Peter walks on water!

          • Wayneg87

            Peter started to sink because of disbelief. As i would have. Would Peter have ordered the crusades?

          • justingrid

            Wayne – Jesus’ words were “You are Rock, and on this Rock I will build my Church…”

            What you are standing against is not a man-made institution. I have no doubt that your arguments are well-intentioned; but you need to realise that by standing against the Church, you are in fact standing against the Lord Jesus Christ Himself; just as our Lord told St. Paul on the road to Damascus. You are standing against Jesus because the Church that He founded upon St. Peter is His Body.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Justin. What i am doing is asking you to ask Jesus to show himself to you. The rest is just history lessons. Like the inquisition. Charles Manson says hes a wonderful guy and innocent. Eyewitness has him ordering murder. Earlier my sister Sue said that the Pope didnt apologize for doctrine, just what the church did. So Charles Manson is a wonderful guy because he says so….Thanks….Wayne

          • justingrid

            Wayne – I have done exactly that. I was raised Protestant and extremely anti-Catholic. In fact, I was a Protestant for almost 30yrs of my life.

            But, God by His good grace, has opened my eyes to see that the Fulness of Jesus Christ exists in His Holy Catholic Church.

            Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that there were not 100 people who hated the Catholic Church; but there were millions who hated what they THOUGHT the Catholic Church was. I suspect that you are one of those millions who have been misinformed by well-meaning but ill-informed fellow-Protestants.

            Also, Cardinal Henry Newmann, himself a convert from Protestantism, said that to know history is to cease to be Protestant. Have you ever considered that maybe you have been fed a biased and tainted view of history??? I know that I was…and if you are still Protestant, I know that you are. The crux of it though comes down to you realising that for yourself.

            So, instead of blindly following what you have always been taught from a one-sided approach, I would encourage you to prayerfully hear both sides of the argument. I am convinced that if you asked God to give you light as you truly gave the Catholic Church a hearing, it wouldn’t be too long before the Church received you as its newest convert.

            Blessings to you brother.

          • dboncan

            Wayneg87… on grammatical structure and linguistics alone your interpretation is flawed. Rock-Petrus-Kepha. Reference this too with Isiah 36 from where the conferment of the “keys” was taken from and you’ve got the picture of Peter being given headship of the visible Church.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi db. Im still not aware of god turning over his church to a human. Scriptue maintains that Jesus remains the head of his body. Thanks for your honest answer

          • gina101

            Wayne, are you saying Christ made a mistake and gave the “keys to the kingdom of heaven” and authority on earth and bound in heaven to a man he just called satan?

            Matthew 16:19: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

          • Wayneg87

            This is given to all born again believers. Thanks my friend

          • justingrid

            Wayne – can’t you see that you are forcing Sacred Scripture to say what YOU want it to say? The Lord gave the keys of the Kingdom to Peter – the word in Greek is singular not plural. Also, the Scriptures plainly assert that Peter is the Rock upon which Jesus built His Church.

            I’d be interested to know where YOU think Scripture says that the keys of the Kingdom have been given to “all born again believers”.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Brother Eric, i found it. The apostles cast their lots, a vote. What is scandalous about that? God would made them make the right choise. I believe in a strong god. Not a god in a golden cage in the form of a bisquit. ..thanks…wayne

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Now I am offended if you meant what I think you meant. The Eucharist is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. Shame…on…you.

          • Sue from Buffalo

            And Wayne, the same humility and love that brings Jesus to us in the Eucharist is the same humility and love that brought him to us as a baby. People who would argue against God coming down to earth as a baby boy would have used your very same argument: that you believe in a strong god.

            (and just so you know, we believe in a strong God, as well. And we love him with every fiber of our being. He is our Lord, Our Savior, Our King of Kings. Our very reason for being. No one above him. —do you get it yet?)

          • Wayneg87

            Sister, i already mentioned the love catholics have for god. Now, its time to ask him into your life. To show himself to you. You can know him like you know your brother. Did you re check the snake story yet? Then we can have a real talk. Thanks in advance….Wayne

          • Wayneg87

            What is this house you will build for me? Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        Wayne, I feel compelled to interject. I appreciate your feedback and comments; however, you are high jacking the comments and preventing fruitful discourse with your instance on your highly offensive heretical opinions. I detect no humility or true desire to learn what Catholics believe, only repetitive ignorance of what *you* think we believe.

        Please review my comment policy before continuing to reply.

        “I reserve the right to delete comments and block overly obnoxious commenters. “

        • Wayneg87

          Hi Katrina, and thanks for putting up with me thus far. I wanted to talk about the topic…CC the true church, but ive been hit with different questions that i try to answer to the best of my ability. To every man an answer. My message is this…ask Jesus for salvation. Then, like the first followers, i give a short history. Thanks again….Wayne

      • Nemesis

        Sometimes Apostles appointed by the Lord Himself will turn around and betray him. That doesn’t delegitimize the office of Apostle, or the Christian Church for that matter.

  • Dan

    ” In every possible way we are compatible except for matters of faith and religion.”

    In other words you are not “compatible.”

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      exactly!

  • Lydiamcgrew

    I kind of hope your non-Catholic friends is also not a Protestant. The idea that all religions are created equal is bad Protestant theology/philosophy as well as bad Catholic theology. It’s bad _Christian_ theology.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      The Non-Catholic is some non-denominational spiritual type.

  • http://profiles.google.com/emkatcreations Kat Emralde

    I have wandered over from Starr Foster of the Pagan Portal and just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for being rational, honest and up-front about your faith and your religion. I 100% agree that true interfaith dialogue can’t work when everyone is ‘tip-toeing’ around each other. Through your unapologetic post I feel like I would be able to give you the space to know your Church is right and you could give me space for my faith by not trying to convert me. I think it’s unfortunate that some pagans, in the quest for acceptance fail to accept that some religions, like Catholicism, have a doctrine of ‘one-true-way’ and that just as we look for the space to practice what we believe, we must allow others the same space.

    • Robert E. Donadio, Esq.

      I LIKE TO EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY. THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS IS A STRAIGHT LINE. THE QUICKEST AND EASIEST WAY TO OUR HEAVENLY REWARD IS THRU CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND THE SACRAMENTS. OTHER RELIGIONS HAVE TO DEVIATE FROM THE LINE TO GET TO WHAT THEY PRAY FOR, BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WILL GET THERE IF THEY ARE TRUE AND SERIOUS IN THEIR PRAYERS.

      • http://profiles.google.com/emkatcreations Kat Emralde

        I think that’s an interesting way to look at things and you may have just inspired a blog post. Thank you for helping me look deeper into my faith.

      • Wayneg87

        Hello Brother Robert. Deviate from the line? Yes, religion do that. A serious deviation comes to mind. Jesus says… come to me all who labor and are heavy laden. There is a religion that has turned Jesus mother into a mediator. Made here queen of heaven and has graven images of a female(that doesnt look like the real Mary) and has the faithful on their knees in front of this. Roundly forbidden by scripture, its taught that it is the most natural thing in the world, to bow befor graven images and images. I am aware some of the followers chose not to bow in front of them. But it is a practice taught by a major religion that claims to believe the bible..Thanks…Wayne

        • Sue from Buffalo

          Funny thing is that God had the people of Israel bow before a graven image of a snake. Perhaps you aren’t really understanding what that context was.

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Also, Mary is a mediator, yes. You and I are also mediators IF we pray to the Lord, Our God for each other. Keep in mind, too, that in the Bible, Mary was a mediator at the wedding in Cana.

          • Wayneg87

            Sister Sue. I pray for you, and you me, to do well and get saved. We are amongst the living. We can ask god for favors. The dead cannot ask god for favors. The dead are separated from us by a gulf. Praying to a dead person is useless. Those who teach others to do so have their reward, unless they repent and get saved. I know you dont believe this, but it is scriptural…..love…Wayne

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Excuse me? Since when do I not believe in the Bible? Wayne, you have said in one of your many posts that you did not come here to start arguments but that was not true. And you know it. You have knowingly said things that would offend us and had nothing to do with scriptures. You just wanted a reaction.
            Well…you got it. Mission accomplished.

            One thing this has helped me in is practicing patience with non-believers. I have to remember where they’re coming from.

            By the way, since when are the people in heaven dead? Is heaven not the most beautiful place to be alive? People whose souls are dead went the other way. And as for scriptures, may I refer you to Rev. 5:8.

            Moses and Elijah appeared to Christ and spoke with him at the Mount of Transfiguration.

          • Wayneg87

            My sister Sue, you ask all the good questions. I cant get into them now. I know Jesus personally. Im not a disbeliever. Did you look up the bronze snake story? What did the people do to get healed? Thanks in advance

          • Wayneg87

            Sister Sue, i didnt come here by accident. I get New Advent in my email and this was an article. I dont go around looking for arguments. I am aware that you must be catholic, and have learned from them. If you can find where, in Exodus, the story of the bronze snake, re read it. Then tell me what they did to get healed…..Thank you so much for talking to me…..Wayne

          • Wayneg87

            Sister Sue, i gather you dont have time to research your(catholic ) claim that god had people Bow to the bronze serpent. the catholic mindset is so geared to bowing to graven images that the flock follows the twisting of scripture by the CC without question. Here is the quote from Numbers(i thought it was Exodus)

            And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
            009: And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

          • Wayneg87

            Note…god did not tell the people to bow to it. Just to simply look at it. God doesnt go against his own commandments. But some religions i know of do. Does a fountain bring forth sweet water and bitter water? Does a religion teach falsehoods and at the same time be gods true religion?

          • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

            Does the Church teach her followers to worship graven images? Or even to bow to them? Find that in the Catechism or in the Church Fathers, and I will be satisfied.

          • Wayneg87

            Hi Scaevola, the act of bowing in front of a statue is worship. No matter what your reason is. Sure, you arent worshiping the lump of cement. I never said you were. God says you are. If the lump of cement dosent matter, why dont you bow befor shoebox ? Its not the shoebox you worship. Its whomever you are worshiping….Thanks…Wayne

          • Wayneg87

            By the way, why do so many catholics bow in front of images while saying they dont bow to images? Yes, im aware that they consider the idol a worship aid. It helps focus the prayer. The lump of cement fashioned by the craftsman helps my worship of god. Yea, god hath said do not eat of this tree, BUT

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

            Wayne, I feel compelled to interject. I appreciate your feedback and comments; however, you are high jacking the comments and preventing fruitful discourse with your instance on your highly offensive heretical opinions. I detect no humility or true desire to learn what Catholics believe, only repetitive ignorance of what *you* think we believe.

            Please review my comment policy before continuing to reply.

            “I reserve the right to delete comments and block overly obnoxious commenters. “

          • ken

            I am on my knees, in bowed position in front of my bed every night praying, I guess according to you I am worshiping my bed.

          • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

            I was just stating that your premise, that it’s the Church’s teaching to bow to graven images, is false. However, if you’re going to say that bowing is always and categorically an act of worship, then you would have to make the distinction between different forms of worship. Certainly, there is a sort of worship and reverence due to God alone. Not arguing there. But there is a form of reverence due to human figures of authority. The kings of the middle ages were bowed to by their vassals. However, this act was an act of human worship, not of divine worship. I would hope that no vassal thought of his king as God! Anyway, if anyone were to bow in prayer before a statue, that act of bowing would be the latter sort of worship, an expression of the respect and honor which we hold for those whom God has chosen to show forth His holiness.

          • Sue from Buffalo

            Wayne, I just got back from my duties and I don’t have a lot of time but it seems that God had no problem with making graven images, did he?
            Wayne…we don’t worship/pray/bow to the actual graven image (but we make look at them). We kneel in front of it to help us focus on our prayers. Not to worship bronze/wooden, etc images. I am assuming that you go to church (I could be wrong here). I am a convert to the Catholic Church. I have also been a church organist for many many years and with the exception of perhaps one non-Catholic church, all of them had a cross in the front. Does it not help you with your focus? And isn’t that a graven image?

            God said not to worship them. We’re not. Stop getting insulting as to what you think we believe and stop insulting our faith/traditions.

        • Maureen O’Brien

          Jesus named His mother as His Queen-Mother, just as all the line of David had named their mothers as their queen mother. And so the Bible records who was king and who his mother was, the one who sat beside him on her own throne and spoke for the people in need; and often the Bible tells whether these women were good or bad. Proverbs even records the sage advice of such a queen mother, and a non-Israelite one, at that!

          But if you don’t believe Jesus Christ is King of Heaven and King of the Universe, I guess you don’t have to believe He has done anything particularly royal about His mom. Or that He has made you yourself into one of His co-heirs, a prince of Heaven.

  • Brian Edward Miles

    Prior to my conversion to the True Faith, I remember one evening I told a Catholic friend of mine that I was heading out to a meeting with my church. He smiled, and responded saying: “That’s nice. I’m heading out to a meeting with THE Church.” It really pissed me off, but was the only could think about during my 20 min. walk. Several months later I converted. I thank God that he cared enough, and was confident enough in his own faith, to hurt my feelings. That “offence” was one of the best things that ever happened to me.

  • A Catholic

    People who assert that all religions are “equally true” are either deeply ignorant about what the world’s religions actually say. In fact, someone who genuinely believes that all religions are “equally true” in reality says that most of them are *false*. In effect, they are saying: “Christianity purports to be the one true faith, but it is wrong about that. Islam purports to be the one true faith, but it is wrong about that too. Judaism purports to be the one true faith, but it is wrong too. Buddhism purports to be the spiritual truth about the human condition, but it is wrong about that also because it is just one way among others. (I’m talking about real Buddhism, not the morally undemanding knock-off practiced by white liberals in America).

    So, in other words, the “tolerant” person who says that all religions are equal is *really* saying that all the worlds religions are false, and that the one true religion is this “meta-religion” which says all religions are really equivalent to each other even though none of them actually teach that.

    And who actually believes in this meta-religion? For the most part, educated white liberal westerners who grew up during the last fifty years. Talk about parochial!

    • Wayneg87

      My friend, its called being unsaved. The unsaved believe anything and everything. If you dont personally know Jesus, you are driven in the wind. You are right about one thing…religion are all false. None of them lead you to salvation. Some claim that if you do all the things they say and attend the rituals , that you will be saved. Jesus said follow me. So who do i believe? I believe Jesus. Thanks…Wayne

      • Sue from Buffalo

        Catholics believe Jesus, too.

        • Wayneg87

          My new friend and sister, Sue, the devils believe in Jesus also, and tremble

          • Sue from Buffalo

            So are you equal to the devils, Wayne?

          • Wayneg87

            Sister Sue, sometimes i feel worster than the demons. What that means is… believing Jesus doesnt save you. You have to ask him to reveal himself to you. To show himself, to sup with you. Dont you know what he says at judgment? He says….depart from me..i never knew you. Thats the criteria. To know Jesus and to walk with him. You can do it like the original 12 did. hes the same now as he was 2000 yrs ago. You dont need men in costumes to dish out salvation. Jesus stands at the door. And knocks….love…wayne

          • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

            You can do it by following Christ’s words, being a part of the Church he founded–walking with the apostles: with Peter as pope and the other apostles as bishops. You are Peter, and on this rock I build my (organized, visible) Church.

            Men in costumes don’t dish out salvation. God does through them ^_^

          • Wayneg87

            So Scaevola, i need a man in a costume in order to go to heaven? Why didnt Jesus say so?…Thanks…Wayne

          • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

            You are Kephas, and on this Kephas I will build my church. Or, Whatever sins you forgive are forgiven them, whatever sins you retain are retained. Or, the fact that the apostles led the church in Acts of the Apostles, and deferred to Peter in the council at Jerusalem. The fact that there is organization visible in Christ’s church from the beginning, and the fact that throughout Acts the apostles’ works are blessed by the Holy Spirit, seems scriptural testimony enough. Also, we have the Tradition of the Church, the Fathers’ writings pointing to an organized faith led by “men in costumes”.

      • dboncan

        IS scripture self-authenticating? Does scripture claim to be the sole authority in all matters pertaining to faith and morals? Did the early church believe this? NO, NO and NO. This phenomenon is fairly new. Even Martin Luther had regrets and problems in advocating Sola Scriptura. In fact, you need an authoritative interpreter of Scripture and evidence of this is the lack of doctrinal consistency among the 30,000+ protestant denominations. Some accept abortion, others do not. Some have 2 sacraments others have none. Some say contraception is okay in some cases others say for all cases. Some… well you get the point. Either Christ established one Church or the Holy Spirit is one confused being.

        • Wayneg87

          Hi DB. Im not protestant, but you can call me one if you like. Protestantism isnt a religion. Catholics mistake the name on the church builing as being a different religion from the next prod church with another name. The name is a legal matter. You have to have a name or you cant be found in the phonebook. Go to a prod service and you get no dos and donts. No rituals or golden cups . No statues people bow and scrape to. Still, the bottom line is, they are just as unsaved as folks in the next religion. We all need to open the door and let Jesus in. I wish i had a nickel for every religion that claims it is the true gods religion….Thanks…wayne

  • Althomas41

    Yes, The One and Only True Faith. However, is this the Faith of Our Fathers (before Vatican 2) or our mommies after vatican 2? How can one help plant the seed if the garden is all manure (new mess and teachings). In stead of adding rich amendments to cultivate a True Spiritual Faith like the Traditional Mass and Traditional way of prayer. You know the way you pray is the way you believe.

    Peace be to many,

    Al, Your Trad PaL

  • worm

    “I know this sounds condescending to someone who isn’t Catholic…”

    I would say it sounds condescending to someone who doesn’t have a strong faith. I am not offended by someone who sincerely tries to convert me or who believes his/hers is the one true religion. It tells me they really believe in something, much like I do. I think the person who is offended is the one who doesn’t believe, doesn’t want to believe, and doesn’t want to commit to the consequences of being a believer. By not identifying any one religion as the true religion, one can deny all of them, even the one they are currently “following”

    • Wayneg87

      It seem to me that catholics who go to blogs are mostly convinced of their religions correctness and are willing to defend it. Thats if the moderator leaves up the contradictory post. Catholics are a sincere lot of people who love god.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        Wayne, I feel compelled to interject. I appreciate your feedback and comments; however, you are high jacking the comments and preventing fruitful discourse with your instance on your highly offensive heretical opinions. I detect no humility or true desire to learn what Catholics believe, only repetitive ignorance of what *you* think we believe.

        Please review my comment policy before continuing to reply.

        “I reserve the right to delete comments and block overly obnoxious commenters. “

  • Warren

    I once thought that I could be in a relationship with a non-Catholic. Since really “owning” the Faith, I’ve come to appreciate the stance shared by my closest and most ardent Catholic friends, which is: no relationship is worth starting, however attractive a prospective relationship might be, if the two do not share the same Faith. The inner turmoil resulting from compromise can be excruciatingly agonizing and the double life one is forced to live is completely untenable. My last relationship was over 15 years ago. I am thankful that I am not a lonely person, which is largely due to a grace from God. God has blessed me with a deep peace and joy and an abundance of energy which I place in service of my students and colleagues.

    Thanks be to God for this blog. Thank you for a compelling reminder of why I am Catholic.

  • Davicday

    Catholicism is the “faith of our mothers”. (my Dad wasAnglican).My friends include clergy of 3 Christian denominations. I have studied theology at an ecumenical college. I facilitate the Alpha course in my Roman Catholic parish. My faith centers around the profound Mystery of living by invitation in the Real Presence of the Body of Christ. The deeply mystical relationship as “children of God” is offered to all humans. My vision “as through a glass darkly”  , has not made clear how other people are brought to the intimacy with God that I find in Catholicism, but the Creator of Life desires “them” in His embrace as much as me and the catholic of my Roman Catholicism is the assurance that their intimacy is as rich as my  “Eucharist ” Amen!

  • Tony Layne

    Kat, I’ve used this post as a launch pad for a discussion on why religious beliefs matter. Hopefully this will bring more people over and into the discussion.

  • Wayneg87

    My friends, getting back on the topic, is the catholic church gods true church. The pillar of the catholic church is a female, Mary. The CC bases Mary as mediatrix of all grace on a assumption that she participated in salvation. My quess is that god doesnt need humans to help him with salvation. See the old testament. The CC asserts that Mary gave god permission to give her the child. This makes Mary a participant in salvation. AS if the plan of salvation needed permission from a human. It never ceases to amaze me that catholics dont re check that story. They hear it every christmas. Mary was informed she was with child. The angel didnt ask for permission. Mary didnt have a choise. She was given no choise. She accepted her fate. Then, the CC says Mary was in the know all the time. Mary thought her son was crazy and was going to get himself killed. Its all in the scriptures. I guess thats why the CC tells its flock to disregard the bible and look to the catechism. You can check everything i say with the scriptures. I maintain that catholicism is just another hollow religion just like the Sadducee and pharisees. Dont even mention the bowing to graven images. And the man that calls himself by gods name…holy father.

    • Sue from Buffalo

      Ok. I thought you were serious. Man, was I wrong about you. If you can speak to us without emotion and hear what people have to say then I will be willing to speak with you. This last post here is so wrong on so many different counts I just can’t believe that you’re serious. In the past people had enough integrity to communicate with respect even if they disagreed. You can’t even muster that.

      I love to discuss but not to waste my time.

      I hope you find God’s truth (and Catholics are not your enemies).
      Sue

    • dboncan

      Don’t know where you got this. I would challenge you to show one document of the Church that elevates Mary to the level of the Triune God.

    • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

      Taking this in reverse order.

      Uh, no, God’s name is I Am. One can be a holy father, or a Holy Father, without claiming to be God. After all, it’s true, yeah? He’s the father figure in the Church, the one who leads all Catholics, and because of his holy position as the head of the Church on earth he is made holy–that is, set apart.

      The graven image objection is a farcical one; if you’re separated from your wife and kids, say at work, doesn’t it help in remembering them to look at their picture on your desk? When you remember them with the help of their picture, you’re not worshiping them. Same with holy images that we use in prayer. It’s to help us keep straight which saint we’re praying to! Praying in intercession, btw, not as if they are God. The only power that the saints have is to bring our prayers to God, not to directly answer them with divine power.

      Mary was given a choice. The tradition of the Church testifies to that, since this is not the most clear of passages. Who are you to say that you, one fallible human being, is more correct than 2000 years of consistent teaching? That’s awfully presumptuous.

      Further, the passage itself can be read as Mary’s accepting the role that God designed for her. Behold the handmaid of the Lord, let it be done unto me according to Thy word. That’s an acceptance. She was free to say no. But seeing as doing God’s will is the highest good, and Mary on account of her sinlessness could most easily see this good, she would naturally choose it. Same as if your mother said “Here, want some ice cream?” Knowing that ice cream is the most delicious food on earth, naturally you would say “Let it be done Mom, gimme some of that goodness!”

      The great paradox of salvation history is that God became man. That the Creator of the world, the most powerful being imaginable, became a weak and limited man for our sake. He humbled himself. “A stumbling block to the Jews and a laughingstock to the Gentiles.” Part of that humility is that God does not work directly in salvation history when He can help it. Rather, he uses the wills of men to further His great plan, which by the way shows that he truly is great and powerful. It’s awesome. Part of this humility, of this using man’s will to enact the divine plan, involves asking a girl if she wants to become the Mother of God.

      Does this help at all, Wayneg87?

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Wayne, I feel compelled to interject. I appreciate your feedback and comments; however, you are high jacking the comments and preventing fruitful discourse with your instance on your highly offensive heretical opinions. I detect no humility or true desire to learn what Catholics believe, only repetitive ignorance of what *you* think we believe.

      Please review my comment policy before continuing to reply.

      “I reserve the right to delete comments and block overly obnoxious commenters. “

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000069315293 FrRamil E. Fajardo

    “[H]owever, that doesn’t require me to tone down the Catholicism or present it as anything less than it is – the Truth.”

    ****************************************************************

    YES! EXACTLY – FULL TRANSPARENCY IN ALL THINGS!

    Some scorn that as arrogance or condescension: but others would say that you’re not falsely advertising something you’re not.

    At least no one will ever accuse you of being duplicitous or unambiguous.

    Some will resent that, but ultimately, they should be thankful that you’re being truthful – there is no guile in you.

    And that is when honest, true dialogue can begin.

  • stringtickler

    Continue to persevere…to my dismay, my wife left the Church 30+ years ago…right after we were married. I, too, had my own bout with straying as well. But, I came back, she has not…and it is a HUGE issue. You are doing the right thing. Pray for my wife, all straying Catholics, and that all will one day be one.

  • Wayneg87

    Hi Varoom, you are the voice of reason in here. There is no true religion. All religions are suspect. Only god saves by his own arm, not an organization. …Thanks…Wayne

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Wayne, I feel compelled to interject. I appreciate your feedback and comments; however, you are high jacking the comments and preventing fruitful discourse with your instance on your highly offensive heretical opinions. I detect no humility or true desire to learn what Catholics believe, only repetitive ignorance of what *you* think we believe.

      Please review my comment policy before continuing to reply.

      “I reserve the right to delete comments and block overly obnoxious commenters. ”

  • Pepin the Short

    Wayne, I have seen your mindlessly bobbing comments elsewhere. I feel that, for the good of your eternal soul, someone (I would gladly volunteer to do the job if I lived in the same land as you) should catechize you with the back of a chair . . . drum some sense into you…just sayin’

  • Henry the Seeker

    magnetized.by.truth@gmail.com

    Katrina,

    I’ve been reading your blog for a long time and I wanted to say thanks! Regarding this particular post, I wholeheartedly agree! Specifically, marriages (and/or dating) between original Christians (i.e., Catholic Christians) and others does not work and should be avoided at all costs. And I am saying this from personal experience.

    Second, the Catholic Christian Faith is the One True Faith (because it is founded by God Himself) and the Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Christ Himself and we should never be afraid of proclaiming this Truth.

    Third, I’ve been involved with ecumenism and apologetics ever since my conversion to the Catholic Christian Faith and it doesn’t work, in my experience. At most, one comes away with a syncretistic version of the Faith because everyone wants to be so “nice”. It’s nothing more than a shell game as far as I am concerned.

    Regarding troll’s and people that make up their own faiths, ignore them! To repeat myself, they create their own versions of faith and then shift whenever it suits them. For example, your current troll is definitely not a Bible only Christian because the NT does not say that the “Lamb of God” is the Pillar and foundation of the Truth, it says something else. So everyone is just wasting their time playing a troll’s game because they have a closed mind.

    Have a blessed New Year.

    P.S. – I am Adult convert who travelled from atheism, to agnosticism, to Eastern practices, and then, by the grace of God, to the One True Faith. Keep up the great work mi Hermana!

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      And a blessed New Year to you as well.

  • http://twitter.com/DaTechGuyblog Peter Ingemi

    The only reason to be catholic is because it’s true, otherwise we’re just an elks club that meets on Sundays or Saturday evenings.

    And almost as important why aren’t my sons bringing home women who think like this?

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      followed by the nest question… how old are these sons of yours and are they still single?

  • Anonymous

    I never understood the objection to this. Why would anyone follow any doctrine he did not believe is the Truth? If the Lord is to judge us, I would rather be honestly wrong than face him saying, “Well, you know, this is what worked for me.”

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

    Ok, for the sake of everyone’s sanity I am going to end this by blocking Wayne. I’m sure none object to the his removal. I have little patience for obstinate trolls.

  • Jsa514

    AMEN!!!

  • Illiezeulette

    I am not Catholic, but I agree so, so much with what else you have said here–that religion is not a matter of convenience or personal preference, but rather a calling from the Divine that I am obligated to answer, regardless if I find it convenient or easy or otherwise. 

    Similarly, my own dating history has had a lot of issue when it comes with dating non-religious people… we can match in every way, except when it comes to my faith, which is non-negotiable.  My religious values are by far my highest held, and if we cannot meet on those terms in one manner or another, there is no hope for that relationship.

  • http://twitter.com/dferg David Ferguson

    I am not Catholic either. But there is nothing incongruous about proclaiming the truth in a site dedicated to ecumenicism.  Sounds rather like Paul at Mars Hill.  Acts 17:22.

  • marcosandolini333

    Never argue with an idiot.

    He will bring you down to his level, and beat you through experience.

    Pray for those souls in Satan’s grip that the Dispenser of Divine Graces grant them the change in heart they so desperately need.

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