God spake unto Australia, saying 'build me a giant cross'

God spake unto Australia, saying 'build me a giant cross' February 2, 2017

Acting on an order allegedly received from Him Upstairs, a dotty Christian outfit called the Walk-a-While Foundation has sought, and won permission to build a giant illuminated cross atop a hill in remote Central Australia.
Now it need faith-heads to dig deep into their pockets to raise additional money for the ridiculous project which will apparently end up costing more than $1-million (£600,000).
Its fundraising page, which has so far attracted $42,498 (£26,000) of a goal of $92,000 (£56,000), has this to say:

God showed that he would face opposition to building the Cross. If this is as important as we believe it to be, and indeed part of the coming revival, then there will be spiritual warfare.
God said, ‘I don’t want just you and your indigenous friends to build the cross. I want the body of Christ to build it. This raising of the cross will unite the army of the Lord into action. You will need some strong centurion soldiers to walk with you.’


Well, among those who oppose the 22-metre high LED illuminated cross, due to be built near the Indigenous community of Haasts Bluff or Ikuntji, 230 kilometres west of Alice Springs, is Lutheran Pastor Paul Traeger, above, a field officer with the Finke River Mission who worked locally for 16 years. He said:

Because of the huge amount of money involved [the cross is] more like a medieval cathedral which takes money away from the poor or the needy.

Traeger said he would be disturbed if the Northern Territory Government supported the cross.

Why build a cross? Why not just have a caravan park? It’s beautiful scenery.

But the cross – brainchild of well-known landscape photographer Ken Duncan – has the enthusiastic support of deranged ultra-conservative Catholic actor and director Mel Gibson.
Gibson is a friend of Duncan and has toured the proposed build site.
People who donate large amounts of money will be given an archival print from Gibson’s film The Passion of the Christ signed by the actor, or props from the movie signed by Gibson.
Given that Gibson’s nett worth is $425-m (£338-m), one has to ask why he doesn’t pay for the bloody stupid cross himself.
The Walk-a-While Foundation had already raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from private donors and was lobbying local MLA Scott McConnell and Tourism NT, in a bid to raise an additional million for surrounding infrastructure.
The organisation did not specify the exact amount of money that had been raised, but Duncan said more money was needed for facilities like water and toilets at the site where the cross would be built.
Duncan said a number of businesses wanted to help — including Microsoft, which has donated computers to the project — but that he would welcome government support, with the project likely to create local jobs.

We’re going to come up with a product that people all around the world are going to want to come and try. It’s something the community wanted

Haasts Bluff traditional owner and community leader Alison Multa said the project rose out of a collective vision during an Easter Service sing-along several years ago.

God gave vision for kids and old ladies, old people and they saw stairs and God was talking to them. We’re all trying to get together and support [the cross] as one.

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  • Paul

    What on earth goes through these people’s minds- it is truly the bizarre.
    It’s a symbol of torture. It isn’t a symbol representing anything good or decent or nice. And all the wishy washy stupid icons etc don’t make it better. It’s all a silly mindless con.
    Why not your a guillotine there? Or gas chamber ? Or hangmans scaffold?
    What actually is the difference – apart from the stupidity of belief or mindless ‘faith’.

  • Brian Jordan

    Collective hallucination during a service, eh? What do they use for incense in those parts, I wonder?

  • Newspaniard

    @Brian Jordan I’m told that the Australians make a very fine wine.

  • Marcus

    A cross on top of an enormous nipple? Give me strength!

  • Angela_K

    Instead of giving money to the poor these morons are going to waste it on building a pointless and revolting symbol, how very Christian. These contemptible fruitcakes are like dogs who have to piss on every lamp-post to mark their territory. I hope Australia’s indigenous population prevent this obscenity as they have suffered most under the jackboot of Christianity.

  • Stephen Mynett

    “Instead of giving money to the poor these morons are going to waste it on building a pointless and revolting symbol, how very Christian.”
    Very true Angela, they are following in the ways of early Christianity. In the first few centuries CE there were public toilets with running water in many Roman towns and cities, all funded by the state. Constantine sorted things out and once he imposed Christianity as state religion all funds were diverted to the church, far more useful than public hygiene as we found out during the plague.

  • Seff

    Brian – The Miracle of the Danced Sun observed on October 13, 1917 by 100.00 of people. The miracle could not have been mass hysteria, because people observed the event miles away. It could not have been religious fervor, because many witnesses were indifferent or even hostile to the Faith. As for the Cross for the early Christians, the cross was a favorite symbol and badge of their faith in Christ. It is widely used in exoriosm. Thus It is so often ridiculed and jeered at. Marcus – do not play with fire.

  • Matt

    Build the fucking thing then nail messrs Duncan and the ham actor Gibson to it. Then it will have been put to good use … the use for which this icon of primitive stupidity was originally devised.

  • Matt

    The Miracle of the Danced Sun observed on October 13, 1917 by 100.00 of people is a load of crap. Just like that crying statue in India that dripped sewage from a defective sewer (and fuckwit believers drank the stuff).
    And the dancing sun is an impossiblity. In 1917 astronomical and weather observations were well established and accurate. If the sun had danced then everyone on the planet living on the circumference of the world delineating night from day would have reported many rapidly repeating sunrises and sunsets as the sun bounced up and down on their horizons. But nobody, NOBODY, reported and such thing. So said miraculous event is a myth. No such thing ever happened. My Grandfather was on the battlefield when the angel of Mons was supposed to have intervened. Grandad never saw a bloody angel and neither did his mates who were there with him. So Seff wind your neck in.

  • andym

    Only a shit-for-brains Xtian could think that fucking monstrosity would enhance the landscape. Then again, a blight like this would serve as a reminder of how Christianity has been a blight on mankind for nearly 2000 years.

  • Broga

    If God wants a cross why doesn’t he just put one there? What will happen is a remote area will be despoiled by this monstrosity.
    I walked passed a writhing figure of Jesus nailed to a cross at an RC Church this morning. Skeletal near naked figure, spiked crown, face contorted in agony, nails through the wrists and through the ankles twisted on each other. This grisly image is now accepted as normal.
    Put up a life size picture of a slim, naked woman and there would be outrage. Didn’t one of the Popes chip the genitals off some male statutes by great ancient Greek sculptors? Did the superb statute of David survive with its bollocks intact? I don’t know.

  • remigius

    Seff, the early Christians didn’t use the crucifix type cross that we see today – that came much later. They used a symbol called a fylfot, or swastika.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fylfot#History

  • Seff

    Matt calm down “But nobody, NOBODY, reported and such thing”. I assure you no other marian miracle has ever been so well-reported and described. Just google a bit photos and films. Do not stick so firmly to your concept of the World. Moreover, your language is inappropriate. My mum is an atheist however she never uses such words. She only calls names when talking about right wing politicians.I do the same about left-wing ones.

  • barriejohn

    Oh, no; another fucking troll. Read your Bible:
    ” But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.” (Matt.12:39 KJV)
    If these “signs” are not given to men by God, then where DO they come from?

  • andym

    @ barrie. Another or…?

  • Brian Jordan

    Newspaniard says:
    I’m told that the Australians make a very fine wine.
    Yes – and I know from experience that the Portuguese make a very potent one!

  • AgentCormac

    Deranged fucking idiots. And that includes you, Seff. Wake up and repeat after me: ‘there are no such things as miracles – it’s all in my head’.

  • Edwin Salter

    “Let’s stick an ugly giant cross on a very remote hill”leads to a pleasing mix of the sunny and loony. It is, above all, utterly arbitrary – and that’s the great problem with most assertions of divine acts. Like the few cures nowadays claimed at Lourdes, the question is “Why these people, this time and place? ” A pointless ‘miracle’ is surely random or a misjudgment. And then there’s all the times when a miracle is sought and would be a good thing but nothing happens.
    Dominating a vast horizon with your favoured symbol is simply an offence to everyone else.

  • Matthew Carr

    I’m wondering what possible message God could be trying to convey. If his followers asked that then perhaps they’d realize that all they’re saying is that their religion is attempting to be the dominant worldview. That’s why it’s so hard to get funding.

  • Paul

    I know Bob is banned but is Seff son of bob and do they together have a ghost to make some kind of deluded trinity. I note that Seff too has involved his mum – so now we have the complete set.

  • Broga

    Would the falsity of a miracle be more miraculous than the natural law it claims to overturn? If so, then it is a miracle. So far this has never occurred except in the religion besotted brains of Seff and those of similar deluded beliefs.

  • AgentCormac

    ‘I know Bob is banned but is Seff son of bob and do they together have a ghost to make some kind of deluded trinity. I note that Seff too has involved his mum – so now we have the complete set.’
    Haha! Very funny, Paul.

  • StephenJP

    I don’t know where this hill is, but it looks pretty remote to me. Why hasn’t God inspired his Ocker worshippers to build it in downtown Sydney? That would surely reach a wider audience.
    Still, it should make a great lightning conductor.

  • Matt

    Seff … fuck off.

  • Matt

    Seff … that miracle, just as all others are, is a made up piece of catholic propaganda to impress the stupefied gullible locals into believing in a fictitious being so that the pope can separate the fools from their money. And if you believe evrything you see on google and youtube then you really are of sub fuckwit intelligence.

  • Broga

    ” I assure you no other marian miracle has ever been so well-reported and described.” As soon as a believer says “I assure you” you know that no facts or evidence will be given. Their assurance, desperately given in the absence of anything else, displays their weakness. Only the brainwashed, and to some extent brain dead, believers would take them seriously.

  • barriejohn

    Broga: The gullible still flock to Medjugorje, especially when “revelations” are due, and attempts to investigate suspected illegal financial dealings were met with “spontaneous” violent opposition:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medjugorje#Development_after_the_war

  • RussellW

    Reminds me of that other colossal waste of money, the “Christ the Redeemer” statue in Rio, another monster eyesore.

  • Vanity Unfair

    To Seff:
    Try “ideomotor effect” in your preferred Internet browser.
    Of course, this does not prove that thousands of people looking at the Sun (DO NOT LOOK AT THE SUN) were not involved in a localised earthquake that was not picked up by any seismograph recorder, nor that the Sun (mass: (1.98855±0.00025)×10^30 kg) suddenly started jiggling along a plane so oriented that the motion was only perceptible in a restricted area of the world, subtended angle 0.5 degree so Euclid would say, “No.”
    Then identify the most parsimonious solution.

  • 1859

    I think religious equality should ‘reign’ on the mountain top – so beside the cross we must have a huge star of david, then one enormous, luminous crescent, a hindu elephant god, a golden buddha. Then there are the pagan sun, water, air and fire gods, as well as the vast pantheon of Greek gods,Roman gods, Norse gods,Aztec gods, Cherokee and Apache spirit gods etc., etc.
    So you won’t see the mountain for gods. People are the authors of such stupidity sometimes.

  • Stephen Mynett

    Slightly OT but I remember bumping in to a couple of stereotypically Christian American tourists on one of my visits to Australia. They were just back from a trip and bemoaning the fact people had remonstrated with them for climbing on Uluru. I pointed out it was considered sacred to the locals and how would they feel about people clambering all over one of their religious monuments.
    Unsurprisingly they replied “That is different, it is a monument to god.” My reply was, “So it is OK to piss on other peoples religions just not yours then.” Needless to say our short meeting ended very soon after.

  • Laura Roberts

    @Matt: with due sympathy for your frustration, I see no need to be abusive when we’ve got mountains of good evidence on our side. Seff is just one of millions of people who suffer from woefully undeveloped BS detectors. Whilst it may be possible to berate someone into abandoning self-destructive mechanisms such as faith, I think gentler approaches may be more effective.
    In short, I think we’re better than that.

  • Matt

    Dear Laura
    In short, people who cannot or worse, will not, abandon their wholly discredited beliefs need to be treated robustly. Very robustly. Do you think being nice and pleasant towards people like Andy MacIntosh and Stuart Burgess, both rabid creationist propagandists, will discourage them from actively preaching to impresionable people that the “mountains of good evidence”are all lies and the work of the devil to remove god from his rightful position. Being soft and nice and polite does not work. The battalions of evangelist fundamentalist christians backed with enormous wealth and power are shameless in their determination to put god at the centre of everything from the education of our children, to running governments, and telling you what you can and cannot do with your female body. Wake up. Look at the USA. Look at the power of the vatican. You be nice and polite if you want. Leave the outspoken ridicule and harsh criticism to those of us who are weary of standing idly by watching the fundamentalists drag us back to the middle ages. There is no difference between islam and christianity. Both are evil nasty dogmas … the only difference being the ease with which people can be casually murdered in the name of allah whereas christians no longer feel able to behead, immolate,hang, drown and roast those of us who are not inclined to drop to our knees in abject submission. You be soft but don’t tell me to be gentle.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    “which has so far attracted $492, 498 (£26,000) of a goal of $92,000 (£56,000)”
    I guess I don’t understand how the conversion from dollars to British pounds works.
    I thought that more dollars would mean more pounds.

  • Edwin Salter

    Ridicule, criticism and opposition of course. An irresistible case can be built rather as science has achieved over the centuries. I doubt if “Fuck off” gains much ground in the world. But it probably relieves the personal feelings when we seem awash with horrid nonsense (though rather like waterboarding – “It works” guarantees the man who will only hear what suits his wish – it invites reciprocity).

  • andym

    I think it’s a mistake taking what a troll says at face value. All they want is a response.

  • Stephen Mynett

    CMB, other way round, one British Pound is currently worth A$1.6, which is pretty poor as it was around 2.5 not long ago.

  • barriejohn

    It should have read $920,000!
    I was an evangelical Christian, and I can assure you that ridicule is our most effective weapon, as they love to think that their barmy ideas are intellectually acceptable. However, abuse just reinforces their pig-headed belief that they are right and everyone else wrong. It’s a fine line really.
    RussellW: Reminds me of fascist and communist “art”.

  • Matthew Carr

    I think the trolls imagine they can use logic and reason to promote their religion to us “unfortunates” without it. Unfortunately for them that means all their appendages are tied behind them and they aren’t effective. Some of them could be genuinely well-intentioned at first but then their frustration gives way to anger and they become a traditional troll. Personally, I tend to feel sorry for them.
    RussellW: Emphatically seconded! Motion carries.

  • Barry Duke

    Sorry, CMB, I incorrectly typed $429,498. It should be $42,498. Correction made.

  • barriejohn

    Barry: The goal is $920,000, I believe. I take it you had a good time celebrating your birthday!

  • Stephen Mynett

    While the majority start from a religious perspective, most likely forced on to them by their family or the the society they live in, there are also a lot of religionists and trolls where religion is just a means of trying to vindicate the hatreds they already had for certain groups.
    The Bible, Koran, whatever religious mythology you choose will provide plentiful examples of how to be horrible to people, it is just a case of how far you take it, for general abuse, nastiness and wasting money and time with pathetic court cases choose Christianity but if you want proper violence and murder go for Islam.

  • AgentCormac

    I concur that it is pretty pathetic and entirely non-productive just telling trolls to fuck off, as I did earlier in this thread. It is however incredibly cathartic and I therefore recommend you have a go every once in a while.

  • Seff

    Hi Matt, Paul, Angela and the rest of eggheads from the most reverend FREETHINKER, You can call me a troll or a friend of Bob. My greatest concern however are your immortal souls. My dad and I used to be atheists. One day very long time ago JESUS intervened and bestowed on us His grace of faith. My clear intention is to sow the seed of doubt in your hearts, neither irritate nor insult. Do not use f… words – it is like water off duck`s back. As Saint Augustine said “Our hearts are restless, until they can find rest in you. …”. The Massive Purification of the World is at hand. About 1/3 of humanity will perish. This time God will use the forces of nature. There will be no perpetrators then as there were during WW II. The tremors in Italy and on the Reunion island are only the tip of a huge iceberg. Some of you hate God and in this state of heart you are going to lose eternal life forever. Therefore I am trying to warn you and shake you up.
    PS: I won`t bother you till Good Friday 2017 promise.

  • remigius

    “PS: I won`t bother you till Good Friday 2017 promise.”
    So they’re letting you out in time for Easter. That’s nice.
    Don’t forget to take your meds.

  • Angela_K

    @Seff, thank you for giving me a good laugh. The fact you actually believe the utter nonsense you post, without a shred of evidence to support your preposterous assertions is disturbing and typical of a mind corrupted by religion.

  • Paul

    Seff has been resurrected!
    He is son the of Bob!

  • AgentCormac

    Seff. How can we hate something that doesn’t exist? Do try and make your brain work, it’s so liberating. But if that fails just fuck off you detestable eejit. (Ah, that feels so good all over again.)

  • Broga

    Seff: Please start taking your pills again. Does your carer know you have stopped?

  • andym

    Another regular purveyor of tedium on here appears to have gone quiet since this one became active. … by any other name?

  • AgentCormac

    I have to admit, I do enjoy it when the occasional moron gets to come and play on here. Any chance you could let a few more through, Mr Duke?

  • remigius

    AgentCormac. I believe that the Golden age of Trolling is sadly over.
    I have fond memories of Billy Boswell the retarded pik upstanding member of the Christian travelling community.
    Then there was John Michael George – who turned out to be a real priest. And Tom Estes – who turned out to be a real pastor.
    And who could forget Zaki Aminu – who turned out to be a real nutter.
    Their words of wisdom are forever preserved in the hallowed tomes of the Freethinker Archive, but I fear we shall never see their like again.

  • remigius

    Oh bugger, I forgot Ken. Ken was my favourite.

  • 1859

    Just on the insulting issue – I’m always reminded of something Orwell (I think?) once wrote: ‘if you fight too long against the dragon you become the dragon’. I would hate to think that I had become – even unknowingly to myself – a ‘rabid’, ‘bigoted’ or ‘militant’ atheist, indistinguishable from all the religious fruitcakes out there. It’s a little like hitting people over the head when you’re trying to convince them that physical violence is wrong. This is not turning the other cheek, it’s saying that we are morally better than this, but if the dangers and threats become too much we will act in self-defence – as Churchill did against the evil of Nazism.

  • Tony

    When it comes to Xtian idiocy there is nothing new under the sun. Cross erection really took off in the States in 1984 when a loon, named Bernard Koffendaffer, felt called upon by the Lord to devote his life and money (he was an oil millionair) to putting up clusters of huge crosses along the American highways. By the time Koffendaffer, who was a bit of a coffindodger due to his dicky heart, was called to his maker at the early age of 68 in 1993, he had managed to despoil the countryside with some 5000 of the horrors. Now a new nutter by the name of Sara Abraham is carrying on the ‘good work’ with the aid of 1400 volunteers. And there were you wondering how the Americans could have elected a buffoon like Trump.

  • Tony

    It intrigues me why Xtians like Seff always like to tell us that they used to be Atheists. Probably this is done so that the born again label looks like a step up in the thinking department. What I would like to hear from Seff is: what were the arguments you used to employ when you were an atheist and what deep reasoning brought you around to seeing the light of Christianity? Or was it, as I expect, that you were knocked of your bicycle and banged your head on a nearby lamppost.

  • Angela_K

    @Tony. I doubt very much that people such as Seff were really Atheists at all, but one of those who sit on the fence and let themselves fall off into the religious side because it provides and intellectually softer landing.