Camping Responds to Rapture Failure: World to Be Destroyed On October 21, 2011 (My Thoughts)

Source: Black Christian News

Tonight on Harold Camping’s Open Forum Radio show, he gave his thoughts on what most view as a failed prediction.  His claim in this situation is that all the dates he predicted were in fact correct.  You may be thinking: REALLY?  Apparently, Jesus did return on May 21st, but it was a “spiritual coming.”  He didn’t return how Camping thought Christ would but the fact of such a ‘coming’ still remains in tact. And on October 21st, Christ will enact the physical rapture “on the last day.”

His view is that from this day forward, the whole world is under the final judgment and the time of salvation coming to the world has ended.  Rather than recanting, he is holding out that his interpretation is correct, except the Lord didn’t perform the rapture in the way Camping and others thought.  It was only in the “form” of second coming that Camping admits to being wrong, but not in the reality of the day of judgment.  This means that the timetable still stands.  October 21st will be the final day of human history.  God will take “true believers” to heaven and the world is gonna be destroyed.  When discussing money, his point was made clear “We’re still in business!”

In sum, The second coming DID take place on Saturday “spiritually,” it will be completed on October 21 with the destruction of the planet and a physical rapture, and all who are “true believers” will be taken to be with God for eternity in heavenly bliss.

KURT’S THOUGHTS:

  • Camping failed.  He failed in his prediction and failed in his owning up to his failure.  This breaks the heart of God.
  • I am glad that Camping separates himself from the Church.  I certainly hope that those who are not Christians will take note of this.  He is not US!
  • Camping claimed that he is “not the authority… the bible is the authority.”  The problem is that he is acting authoritatively by making definitive truth-claims and them allowing his unprovable assumptions to dictate the path of good folk’s lives.  That is “power-over” authority masked as humility, if you ask me.
  • Spiritual judgment day started… this is a weak view.  Yet, he sincerely believes it.  I wonder what percentage of his followers will believe it and continue in a similar path for the next few months?  What happens after he is proven wrong yet again?  I beg you!  If you believe what Camping is saying… please reconsider!  Do not reconsider Jesus, just the things you believe about Christ.  Find a church that will accept you and love you through this confusing time.
  • I wonder if after Oct 21 fails to come to fruition if Camping will go into hiding?  Change the timetable?  Recant?  I have a feeling he will not recant until after he meets the Creator.
  • My heart aches for Mr. Camping.  I think he is sincere, and truly believes what he teaches.  He is greatly confused and part of me feels great compassion for this man.  I do not want to demonize him, just point out the fallacy of this teaching.
  • This whole situation is an invitation to the church.  Just as Rob Bell’s Love Wins gave us the impetus to reflect on what we actually believe about God, heaven, and hell; this is an opportunity to reflect on two related areas: 1) the extreme result that comes from modernistic Bible study methods that treat it as a test tube case.  The result is that the Scriptures are distorted.  We need to move beyond the scientific method / enlightenment style approaches to Biblical interpretation. 2) The need to re-evaluate what the church teaches about “end times” views.  Are we brokering a message of hope, or of a coming day of destruction? My view is that we need to look at better ways of understanding Revelation, the OT prophets, and the Olivet Discourse (something I am passionate about on this blog.  See: eschatology)
  • Ultimately, this is a reminder (as I alluded to above) that what we believe about the ongoing story of God, actually matters!  “Pan-millennialism” (‘it’ll all ‘pan’ out in the end) is fine if humility is the aim, but if we are honest – What we believe about the end of God’s story has HUGE missional implications for the church today!  Let’s keep searching, and move with God in mission towards the coming completion of Creation… the renewal of all things… the consummation… the reality of God’s kingdom fully come “on earth as in heaven.”

Here is the first part of the audio (a couple minutes in there is a storm warning… it only lasts a bit):

 

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  • http://twitter.com/chrisnickels chrisnickels

    “…we need to look at better ways of understanding Revelation, the OT prophets, and the Olivet Discourse”

    Totally agree (and one reason I just took a seminary course specifically on Revelation). Your last 2 points really resonate with me as well. Thanks for this, Kurt.

  • http://nailtothedoor.blogspot.com Dan Martin

    He’s not even that original…read up on “The Great Disappointment” that followed William Miller’s prediction of Jesus’ return on Oct. 22, 1844.  One of the explanations that emerged was that on that date, the “sanctuary” in heaven was cleansed, and this became part of a complex theology that is now part of Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment).

    I must hasten to add that I’ve spent some significant time with SDA folks, and while I think they have some weird theology, it’s no weirder than what I’ve encountered among Evangelicals.  Both are messed up on some points, but in neither do I doubt the genuine work of Jesus Christ.

    • http://www.fatherhoodetc.com David Ozab

      Should have expected this response given the history of both Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses (who said something similar when the world didn’t end in 1914.)

  • http://boehadden.wordpress.com/ boehadden

    Well put!

    I felt more sad than anything else for Camping before. Now, for the first time in this whole debacle, I’m experiencing anger. After reading about his statement and then looking at his billboards again, I can’t believe the idiocy of his statement. His billboards say “The Bible Guarantees”– and he was clear that what he meant was that believers would be raptured– if the Bible guaranteed that, why didn’t it happen. He needs to man-up and now.

  • @JulyG

    Good! I’m shareing this

  • davidstarlingm

    I’m not certain that this is an issue with being too modernistic in our approach to the Bible, although hyper-modernism could lead to this sort of thing. I think it’s the same issue that people have had all along: pride. People want to follow someone, people want to be followed, and people want to believe in something that sets them apart.

    The thing that concerns me most about all of this is the anti-church business. It’s disturbing to see how easily a man like Camping — so ridiculous to all of us — could convince people that churches are all run by Satan. As many mistakes as denominations will inevitably make, there is paramount importance in being part of the Body of Christ. That’s what prevents this sort of bizarre business from ever happening.

  • Trent Voth

    He’s even less creative…

    This is, in fact, the same argument levied by the Jehovah’s Witnesses when they predicted the end of the world in 1914, 1918, 1925, et al. Their position is that Jesus did in fact return, but it was a spiritual return.

    It will interesting how many of his followers respond, and even more so, how we Christians will respond to this new prediction.

  • Anonymous

    “What we believe about the end of God’s story has HUGE missional implications for the church today! ”
    After the whole “Left Behind” era, I got pretty burnt out on end times debates and decided it just didn’t matter. But over the past year, I’ve come to see exactly what you said in the above quote. What we believe about the over all narrative, and the end, does have huge missional implications.It reveals what we believe God’s over all purpose and plan is and how we act as his hands and feet as part of the kingdom. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1388514701 Greg Dill

    Listening to Camping talk on his broadcast really puts a lot into perspective. This guy genuinely believes it is okay to set dates and make predictions without any repercussions or consequences should he be wrong. Two questions arise from this notion:

    First, is it wrong to predict or set dates based on your own limited and finite knowledge so as long as you don’t claim any special revelation from God? If we take Jesus’ words, “no man knows the day or the hour” in context we will find He is not referring to end-time world apocalyptic events. Instead, He is referring to events that will transpire during His disciple’s generation/lifetime. This passage cannot genuinely be used against date-setters if put in its proper context. Therefore, is the Bible silent about guessing or setting dates?

    Secondly, do you suppose a lot of this nonsense would have simply been avoided if it were not for the rapid rise of dispensational eschatology over the past 30+ years? It seems dispensational eschatology drives a lot of this stuff. The early church didn’t fancy themselves in date setting. Arguably, the doctrine of the rapture is an invention of 17th century Puritans, only to be made popular by famous dispensationlist John Nelson Darby.

    Perhaps Camping can be classified as a false teacher or a false prophet. Or, perhaps he is simply just another brother in Christ whose own limited research proved wrong? What do you think?

  • Wakeupmyfaith

    Great thoughts Kurt! We do have to go to 30k feet and allow our hearts to break for Mr. camping as if he were our elderly (slightly off) neighbor who needed a hand. We change the light bulb that he cant reach and gently shake our heads as he rambles on. We warn the neighbors to keep an eye out so he doesn’t blow something up in his kitchen. I love your approach – its very encouraging for the body!

  • http://covenantoflove.net Derek

    Good thoughts Kurt.

  • http://peedypostings.wordpress.com/ Peedy

    Question/thought Kurt: does Camping think that Jesus actually came, or just that Judgement has begun? A lot of what I’ve been reading about/by Camping makes me think that he’s not doing all that much talking about Jesus, mostly it’s about the Judgement of the bad people and the safe rapture of all the good people. I know that’s a gross simplification, but that’s the impression I’m getting. Some interesting thoughts here. Camping and his followers need our prayers.

  • Anonymous

    While everyone had a good time on twitter I have a more cynical view of Mr Camping. He seems to be distorting biblical truth all while his ministry continues to collect money for their coffers. I just wish someone could enlighten people as to how eschatology is important. Fulfilled prophecies help give the Bible credible support so non believers  could view it as a trusted resource.

    Scaring the shit out of people doesn’t really turn them into Christ lovers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YI5V2TXIL2U2VHMFUTIVTLRWA Raymond

    Harold Camping was wrong about May 21, 2011 and the rapture but he might be right about October 21, 2011. Right around this time and early November, Earth will encounter the tail of the comet Elenin…and the tail of this dragon might just be slinging out poison…like cyanide. In 2010, comet Hartley’s tail increased its cyanide output by five times as it neared the Sun and began to melt. I don’t know if Elenin is made of cyanide like Hartley was but if it is and we’re going through the tail in late October to early November, ELEnin might really turn out to be an Extinction Level Event. (nin[e]ELE[ven])


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