Mark Dricoll Interviewed by Dr. Drew (video)

As most of you know, I do not endorse Mark Driscoll’s book on marriage (based on the content that I am aware of). My main concern is with the hierarchy that his form of complementarianism imposes, holding back women from their God given potential. With that said, I think that he handled himself well in this video interview as a whole. I don’t endorse all of his opinions, but he kept a cool head and seemed respectable.

Full Dr. Drew Interview from Mark Driscoll on Vimeo.

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  • Mike Ward

    Two people I cannot stand to listen to, talking to each other.

    Nonethless, thank you for posting. I look forward to reading the comments.

  • http://twitter.com/PastorBradS Brad Smith

    Where is Grace’s hand during this interview?

  • http://www.makemystuffwork.net/ Erik Pasco

    I thought it was a decent interview for what it was. Someone must have coached them before the interview

  • josh miller

    I do not endorse Mark Driscoll’s book on marriage (based on the content that I am aware of).

    Wait.

    This is from the same guy that said this:

    But, to accuse him of being a universalist without even having read his
    book (because, well, it isn’t out yet!), is not only over-the-top, but
    is irresponsible and should be cause for the larger evangelical
    community to be up in arms. 

    You harp on a guy for making an assumption about a book that he hasn’t read yet. Are you not doing the same thing?

    • Mike Ward

      I think you make a fair point, but to be fair to Kurt, his criticism of Driscoll’s new book is extremely muted, “do not endorse” where is actual words and even that was qualified as a partially informed opinion.

      Personally, I think Bell is a universalist and I have not read his book either so I’m a bit taken aback that Kurt considers this irresponsible, but I don’t think he’s being a hypocrite.

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/thepangeablog/ Kurt Willems

      Josh… Over-reacting arnt we? U seem to be reading in to that statement quite a bit. I don’t endorse the book because it is about marriage and is based on the unbiblical assumption of complementarian theology. This view is well known and Mark would own this label. I will never endorse a book that invites women into submission under men. Rather, the new testament model is mutual submission without regard to gender.

      • Matt

         You’ve been given a gift of this blog and a following, which is great. I would encourage you to reflect on the word a bit more before speaking on this subject. Ephesians 5:22-24 is pretty frank on submission. If you take the position of not endorsing any books that invite women to submit to men, that’s one man, their husband (as “Real Marriage” does might I add), then you would not be endorsing the Bible either.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NC37VXZOEUBJ7ROGLSWF7MBMBM Block of Swiss

        Thank you for posting and hosting this video!

        In transparency, I am an avid listener and reader of Driscoll and consider myself of the Reformed ilk.  That being said, I humbly submit that the NT model is quite complementarian.  Does not Paul suggest different roles and responsibilities for men and women in his letter to Titus?  He has a fairly definitive statement in 1 Timothy 2:12 as well, and he offers his feelings on headship in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16.  I mention these not to provoke but to remind that God certainly does make distinction between men and women.  This is not to say that I, as a man, am better than my wife at all.  We merely have different roles and responsibilities as Christians.  I do not subjugate my wife and we do most certainly mutually submit.  I would offer that is the reason for our blessed and successful 20 year long relationship.  However, God set forth roles for men and women so why do we buck His trend?  Social justice?  Modern society?  I humbly offer they are irrelevant in the eyes of God.

        I’ve read two Bell books (Velvet Elvis, Love Wins) and I am not a fan.  I’m not going to try and place him in some sort of classification and I won’t speculate on his salvation (God’s job, not mine).  I would say he’s a part of the emerging movement and I consider a lot of what they are doing as being “off the reservation”.  Love Wins has a lot of universalist undertones and I wouldn’t let any younger or weaker believer read it.  Too many bones, not enough meat.  To his credit, Bell is an excellent speaker and is deeply provocative and I think this is necesssary.  By and large the “Church” has done a huge disservice to society but condescending and not preaching the unabashed truth of God’s word.  Sin is sin and Jesus is the only way.

        Thanks again and God bless!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NC37VXZOEUBJ7ROGLSWF7MBMBM Block of Swiss

        Thank you for posting and hosting this video!

        In transparency, I am an avid listener and reader of Driscoll and consider myself of the Reformed ilk.  That being said, I humbly submit that the NT model is quite complementarian.  Does not Paul suggest different roles and responsibilities for men and women in his letter to Titus?  He has a fairly definitive statement in 1 Timothy 2:12 as well, and he offers his feelings on headship in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16.  I mention these not to provoke but to remind that God certainly does make distinction between men and women.  This is not to say that I, as a man, am better than my wife at all.  We merely have different roles and responsibilities as Christians.  I do not subjugate my wife and we do most certainly mutually submit.  I would offer that is the reason for our blessed and successful 20 year long relationship.  However, God set forth roles for men and women so why do we buck His trend?  Social justice?  Modern society?  I humbly offer they are irrelevant in the eyes of God.

        I’ve read two Bell books (Velvet Elvis, Love Wins) and I am not a fan.  I’m not going to try and place him in some sort of classification and I won’t speculate on his salvation (God’s job, not mine).  I would say he’s a part of the emerging movement and I consider a lot of what they are doing as being “off the reservation”.  Love Wins has a lot of universalist undertones and I wouldn’t let any younger or weaker believer read it.  Too many bones, not enough meat.  To his credit, Bell is an excellent speaker and is deeply provocative and I think this is necesssary.  By and large the “Church” has done a huge disservice to society but condescending and not preaching the unabashed truth of God’s word.  Sin is sin and Jesus is the only way.

        Thanks again and God bless!

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/thepangeablog/ Kurt Willems

      Let me add that the rob bell issue was people labeling him something the record has shown he is not… A universalist. Rob, unlike Mark, does not own the label. Postmortem possibility is much different than universalism. This distinction between the two situations makes all the difference. And, I think u just like to disagree and get mad at people who don’t endorse ur heroes ;-)

  • Kevin Breiwick

    I think the whole dialogue between everyone is almost pointless. It’s like trying to convince someone who doesn’t believe in sin that they’re committing sin. A world perspective vs. a Christian perspective aren’t going to line up.

    • Mike Ward

      Good point, but maybe the dialogue could become valuable if the two sides seek to understand each other rather than convert each other. That might give us a more obtainable goal to strive for. If achieved then the two sides can decide if there is any point in continuing the conversation in and effort to change each other. Having said all this I’m a bit convicted by my own words.

  • Anonymous

    I’m no Driscoll fan, but I agree with you. Mark was pretty level-headed here.

    Actually, as I think about it, it seems like he makes his most troublesome comments in Christian circles. He seems to do well when it’s front of a different audience.

    (Also, glad Mark defended that Catholics can be Christians. I say that as a Protestant.)

  • Megan

    “Married or 30″

    I’m SO sunk.

  • http://www.blackcoffeereflections.com/ Tim Ghali

    It’s Jerry Falwell syndrome – it’s when he’s behind his own pulpit looking at his own cameras that he says the crazy stuff.

  • participant

    thank God my husband’s not a pervert. I’d rather be single than have to deal with that type of submission. it’s just all so sad.

  • http://benirwin.wordpress.com/ Ben Irwin

    But you DO have to admit that in the screen capture, it kinda looks like Driscoll’s wife is holding him back, as if to say, “Now honey, don’t beat up the nice reporter. He’s not even in the same room as us.”

  • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

    I haven’t read the book, but was given a free copy of the DVD small-group stuff, and it’s good so far. I don’t have any problem with it.
    Driscoll and Rob Bell have one thing in common (well, two if you count the whole church name thing): they each have detractors who are convinced that he (Bell or Driscoll) can do nothing right. If Driscoll makes a sandwich, there’s a long line of people who are ready to comment on all the ways they disagree with the way he did it. A lot of pre-judging going on.
    Myself, I have heard many of his sermons (downloaded), and have cringed at a few things. I disagree with the way he fires pastors on his staff for the wrong reasons. I don’t like his confrontational style. But his teaching is solid. He takes positions on some topics which the bible is unclear on (including the one Kurt mentioned about complimentarianism). But any position you take on those is going to tick someone off.

  • Hollie

    I agree with Mark and his wife.


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