Rob Bell Controversy – Your Questions, My Answers OR Why this is a Pastoral Issue!

The following questions are from my original response to Justin Taylor about Rob Bell’s new book: Love Wins.

Why do you feel the need to defend Rob Bell?

Let me be quite clear.  I do not feel the need to defend Rob in the way that some assume.  Do I like his books? Yes.  Do I like his preaching more than his books? Yes.  It is easy to admit that Rob has made an impact on my spiritual journey.

That said, I want to address this question with clarity.

For me, this is a pastoral issue.  So many people in my own sphere of influence have only heard the negative press about Rob’s writings and teachings.  Through the evangelical gossip train, people that I love and respect condemn Rob as a heretic.  The effect of this is that those of us in the church who appreciate his work get our integrity questioned.  I cannot tell you how many times my commitment to Christ and my ‘evangelical-ness’ has been questioned simply because of Rob Bell.  The problem with this is not Rob Bell though.  It is an issue caused by the quote extractors, the narrow minded, the “our way or the highway” = orthodoxy, the folks who believe that they alone have the ‘rights’ to the term evangelical; it is these groups that cause the problem.

Consider a possible scenario.

Awesome follower of Jesus comes across Justin Taylor’s post on Saturday and mourns that Rob Bell is now a Universalist.  Said person then goes to church on Sunday and tells a few friends: “Did you hear that Rob Bell ‘came out’ about his belief in Universalism?”  Such uncritical commentary then spreads throughout the congregation until someone says: “…but our pastor has quoted Rob Bell and we show his Nooma video’s in some of our small groups.  Is our pastor a Universalist?”  Then, this spreads through the Gossip train and the poor pastor is hung up on a tree as a piñata to beat up for leading the congregation to resources that were produced by such a heretic. What happens next?  Pastor gets 10’s and possibly 100’s of email calling for him to repent of the Bell heresy.  Some, even call for this pastor to resign.  Then the Elder board gets involved and has to decide if the rumors are true or if they will stand behind their leader.  All the while, the pastor is emotionally exhausted, all because of an article (or set of articles) that caricature a committed Christian Bible teacher: Rob Bell.

So, why do I ‘defend’ Rob Bell?  I do so with the hope that I can give well meaning Christians in the pew another perspective, in hopes to level the playing field for those of us who think that he is a biblically sound evangelical.  Good people deserve all the information.  This is a pastoral issue, not a defense for the sake of helping the guy out.  Rob Bell doesn’t need me.

Are you doing this because you have an ulterior motive of narcissistic self-promotion?

No.  See the above answer for my actual motive.  I do all I can to not be a narcissist when it comes to social media.  I have implemented fasts and on the day I posted the Rob Bell Universalist post, I walked away from it all evening.  I didn’t even check comments until Sunday afternoon.  Also, my last name is currently not listed on the blog.  Only my FB / Twit friends know that.  So, no, I did not have any self-seeking motive… but yes, I knew that it could potentially become my most read post of all time and indeed it has.

Conditional Immortality and Inclusivism are not biblical, are they?

Let me make something clear:  I am not fully convinced that Conditionalism and Inclusivism are in fact the best options as I still feel the need to explore these areas more fully.  My point is that both of these views are within the realm of solid conservative evangelical scholarship.  Eternal torment is not the only option on the table.  In fact, conditionalism was the view that our number 1 reformer held to: namely, Martin Luther.  I certainly hope he is not a heretic :-)

Also, it should be noted that these views may not be exactly what Rob’s book lands on, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some such themes arise.  In other words, I do not expect him to use the terms “conditional immortality” or “inclusivism” but that perhaps some of his commentary on relevant passages may be influenced by such.

Kurt, did you watch the video clip? How can you hear his statement about Gandhi and not think he is a Universalist?

Here is an important quote from the video:

“Will only a few, select, people make it to heaven? And will billions and billions of people burn forever in hell?”

If you come to this video believing that the only evangelical option is eternal torment [Read more...]

If Rob Bell is a Universalist, then maybe I am – along with many prominent evangelicals? (A response to Justin Taylor)

UPDATE: After you read this original post, please also read the follow up post where I answer some important questions!

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Have you ever been fed up?  Today, I am fed up.

For the past couple of months I have been excited about the forthcoming release of Rob Bell’s latest book: Love Wins: Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived.

This will be a book where Bell takes on some important topics that need to be addressed in the larger evangelical community.  Unfortunately, a pious wing of conservative Christian faith, the neo-Reformers (often represented by folks like – John Piper (who I like theologically on a rare occasion), Kevin DeYoung, Mark Driscoll, and others – are hell-bent on caricaturing evangelicals that do not fit their mold.  Case in point, Rob Bell.

This crowd, for no justified reason, has given Rob a bad rap.  Certainly, he is not immaculate and may have said a thing or two here and there that is not perfect, but who hasn’t?  But, to accuse him of being a universalist without even having read his book (because, well, it isn’t out yet!), is not only over-the-top, but is irresponsible and should be cause for the larger evangelical community to be up in arms.

This is another indication about how narrow neo-reformed views have become and how much they often are not even willing to give the “benefit of the doubt.”  Basically, I am going to accuse Justin Taylor (of the reformed site: Gospel Coalition) of being guilty of the sin of lying.  I am sure Justin is a great guy and obviously passionate about Jesus, but the following quote is a bit frustrating.

Justin states:

“I’m glad that Rob Bell has the integrity to be lay his cards on the table about  universalism. It seems that this is not  just optimism about the fate of those who haven’t heard the Good News, but (as it seems from below) full-blown hell-is-empty-everyone-gets-saved universalism.” (Rob Bell: Universalist?)

He hasn’t read the book, but in one paragraph and based on an ambiguous trailer for the book, he can assume that Rob is a universalist?  That seems like terrible discernment and again demonstrates that these folks have a chip on their shoulder.  I doubt that others at the Gospel Coalition will reprimand Justin and correct his false assumptions, but lets look at the evidence a bit.

Ok, so I am going to assume the best about Rob and give you my best GUESS at what he will say on these topics.  I MIGHT END UP WRONG ON THIS AND REALIZE THAT I RUN THE RISK OF DOING WHAT JUSTIN DID IN HIS POST, BUT WANT TO HAVE A “POSITIVE” VOICE IN THE WEB CONVERSATION.

That was me admitting that I may end up being wrong, but based on what I know about Rob and our similar theological mentors, let me give you my hopeful guesses about some of the major themes of Heaven, Hell, and Every other Person.  Let me add, that these are not my ‘strong theological views’ (less, the Heaven stuff) but a solid direction that Rob might go:

Heaven – Rob is going to argue for an inaugurated eschatology (“already/not yet”).  He will state a clear belief in heaven, [Read more...]

The Problem: Cars That Break Down (an analogy for narrative theology)

Out of all the bad luck that I have been dealt in my life, the worst is evidenced in the mechanical malfunction of cars.  Its as though they break down to mock me.  Maybe you have had similar experiences.  For the sake of analogy, lets assume that a brand new car is designed in such a way that it will function as we would all like, never breaking down or depreciating in value.  The designer put this particular car together so that it has the ability to start in one place, with the intention of reaching an even greater destination.  And inside the hood, is the most important part of the car, the engine.  It is the engine that propels the car forward, working with all of the other parts to enable the vehicle to serve its purpose of travel.  In a real sense, the engine is the central component of the automobile.

Now imagine this same car invited outside objects to enter its components that were not designed to be there – say, a handful of marbles.  What will happen to the engine if it has marbles bouncing around in the pistons?  It will break down and the car will be stuck, no longer able to fulfill its designed intention to move towards that great destination.

To fix the problem we would call a trustworthy mechanic to take a look at the engine and repair it back to its original purpose.  This mechanic would take the broken pieces out and replace them with his own restored parts, and would remove all of the marbles and throw them in the trash forever.  Then, and only then would the car become all that it was made for – to drive from the starting point towards an even greater destination.

What if we looked at this ridiculous story and applied it to the story of God?  [Read more...]

Jesus said: “Take up your SWORD and follow me?” (Army Chaplain Propaganda)

Do you remember that wonderful verse in the Gospel of 2nd Hesitations? You know the one in chapter 9 verse 23 — “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their SWORD daily and follow me.”[1] Here is a way to literally apply that verse…

U.S. Army Chaplains serve both God and country by bringing their unique gifts with which they are endowed by God, to the Soldiers of our nation in the broad, challenging, diverse, and ever changing environment of the Army. While the benefits and pay of an Army Chaplain are often much better than what a minister normally receives, the requirements and stakes are much higher! Army Chaplains are our nation’s Soldiers who minister to our nation’s sons and daughters, and their families. Like any Soldier, they must endure the hardships, separations, and deprivations of those whom they serve. Like any Minister, they must provide dynamic and genuine ministry with a shepherd’s heart.  Our nation’s sons and daughters need qualified, committed, and called men and women to serve as spiritual leaders to them in the fulfillment of their duty. Will you consider the call? The need has never been greater, the experience never so rich.  Qualified and sent by their religious bodies, trained by the U.S. Army, and led by the God that they serve, Army Chaplains are expected to exercise dynamic and influential spiritual leadership, without violating their faith or conscience. Army Chaplains are the ‘soul and conscience’ of our nation’s Army.  Whether leading worship, patrolling the motor pool, or visiting the hospital, Army Chaplains are always at the frontline of the Soldiers’ life. Additionally, Army Chaplains serve on a Commander’s special staff in order to ensure that their spiritual gifts and leadership are integrated in the daily exercise of command decisions.  The Army has a place for you if you have a place in your heart for Soldiers. We have both full-time and part-time positions. Many of these positions are right in your own backyard. We even have a place for you if you’re a ministerial student.  Explore the site. Talk with an Army Chaplain. Your nation needs you. Consider the Call!

http://www.goarmy.com/chaplain.html

There is a word that comes to mind after reading this advertisement for the recruitment of the Army chaplain: Constantine.  [Read more...]