Reading Gagnon: Two More Prejudices [Scot]

This week, Scot Miller is blogging about Robert Gagnon’s book, The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics, which many readers of this blog are sure will convince Scot and me that we’re wrong about the gays. -TJ

In my first post about reading Gagnon, I wanted to be clear about the prejudices I brought to my reading. The first prejudice was that fidelity to the biblical message is important to me. Here are two more of my prejudices:

Second: I am aware that the Bible can be misread in dangerous ways. The denomination in which I was saved and educated and ordained — the Southern Baptist Convention (or whatever it wants to call itself now) — was founded in 1845 because Baptist slave-holders in the South wanted both to be foreign missionaries and to keep their slaves. While Baptists in the North objected to appointing slave-holding missionaries, the Southern Baptists defended the practice of slavery by appealing to the Bible.

In a recent editorial, my former Church History professor Bill J. Leonard, gives an example of Southern Baptist rhetoric about slavery:

In an 1822 address to the South Carolina legislature, Baptist pastor Richard Furman insisted: “Had the holding of slaves been a moral evil, it cannot be supposed, that the inspired Apostles, who feared no the faces of men, … would have tolerated it for a moment, in the Christian Church….” The biblical writers, Furman said, let the master/slave relationship “remain untouched, as being lawful and right.”

He concluded: “In proving this subject justifiable by Scriptural authority, its morality is also proved; for the Divine Law never sanctions immoral actions.” “Biblical defenses” of slavery flourished throughout the antebellum South.

Southern Baptists could defend the practice of slavery by appealing directly to the plain sense of scriptures like Ephesians 6:5-6: “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”

Southern Baptists could defend the practice of slavery by asking the abolitionists, “Where is the scriptural condemnation of slavery? Where does the Bible advocate the abolition of slavery?” Southern Baptists knew that there is no such scripture, and they could accuse the abolitionists of being unfaithful and disobedient to God’s plan as revealed in the Bible. The slave-holders, not the abolitionists, were those truly faithful to the Bible.

Southern Baptists were wrong.

The fact that Southern Baptists could confidently recognize that the Bible tolerates the practice of slavery and could make a logially consistent and coherent biblical argument for Christian slave-ownership does not mean their interpretation was correct.

So while I want to be faithful to the message of the Bible, I’m suspicious of the overconfidence some people have in identifying their own interpretations of scripture with the biblical message, just as I’m suspicious of people who have an absolutely clear moral vision.

My personal rule: anyone with biblical overconfidence and absolute moral clarity is probably overlooking something important.

To be clear, abolitionists like Daniel Goodwin and Frederick Douglass made a biblical case for the abolition of slavery, but their case was not made by appealing to specific passages that rejected slavery. Instead, the Christian abolitionists had to appeal to “the spirit and tendency of [the Bible's] teaching,” which they could summarize in Jesus’ commandment to “love thy neighbor as thyself” (see Jennifer Wright Knust, Unprotected Texts, p. 13).

Third: I am better trained as a philosopher than I am a biblical scholar. Although I majored in Bible as an undergraduate and graduated from seminary with classes in Greek and Hebrew exegesis, my doctoral work was in philosophy of religion.

I taught philosophy to undergraduates for 12 years, and the most frequently courses I taught were critical thinking and applied ethics. This means that I’m well aware of what makes for good and bad arguments, and I’m fairly well versed in moral theory and what it means to think ethically.

So my reading of Gagnon pays more attention to how Gagnon develops his argument than to his biblical scholarship. I’ll also be listening more closely to any moral arguments and justifications he uses as he discusses homosexuality and homosexual practice.

I also believe that my training in philosophy will help me be fair to Gagnon’s argument. When Tony originally announced that I would be blogging my review of Gagnon’s book, some people expressed their skepticism that I could be fair, especially since on Tony’s blog I have engaged in rather lengthy defenses of same-sex marriage and lengthier rejections of the “sin” of homosexuality.

(Frankly, I was surprised that no one was glad or even hopful that I was finally going to be exposed to overwhelming evidence from Gagnon which would devastate my support of the LGBTQ community and convert me to the biblical truth.)

But as I used to explain to my students, philosophers are trained to evaluate arguments and not the particular conclusions that people reach. Whether I happen to agree or disagree with someone’s conclusion is really irrelevant to the strength or weakness of the argument.

I can have high praise for someone who has a strong argument for a conclusion with which I disagree, and I can reject arguments which do a bad job at supporting my conclusion.

So these are three of my prejudices I bring to my reading of Gagnon. I have other prejudices, to be sure, but these three seem most important.

I suppose I should add that I am a happily married heterosexual, so I’m not as personally invested in the issue of homosexuality as others are.

I’m also not a church leader or political figure or opinion-maker or academic, so I don’t have an ax to grind or any obvious material interests to gain from taking a particular position.

I did perform a wedding ceremony for my niece and her same-sex partner, both of whom I love and respect with my whole heart.

Which reminds me that I hope I am prejudiced to value human beings over moral or theological principles.

When Jesus was caught breaking the Law by gathering grain on the sabbath, Jesus said to his accusers, “The sabbath was made for humankind, not humankind for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27).

In a similar way, I suspect that the Bible and moral principles are made for human beings, and not the other way around.

  • Charles

    “…I am prejudiced to value human beings over moral or theological principles.” As our current, soon to be retired, pastor likes to say, “people trump doctrine.” These are examples of why I haven’t totally abandoned the Christian church. There appears to be a thread of sanity left when people examine scripture and express its meaning for our lives. I’m hopefully optimistic…. for now.

    I’m really looking forward to your observations on Gagnon’s work, Scot.

  • Frank

    Scot I trust you will use scriptural support to back up every one of your counterpoints to Gagnon’s points otherwise it will simply fall into humanist, secular and emotional reasoning. Gagnon uses scripture and the only way to put forth a counter is with scripture.

    Looking forward to what you come up with.

    • Jordan

      What do you make of the account of slavery mentioned?

      Your demand sounds like those from the South…

      • Frank

        Yes it is so unreasonable to demand that scripture be used to validate our faith and beliefs. So, so unreasonable!

        Any argument without scripture is mute and void in Christianity. Can’t wait to see what Scot comes up with. Judging from his “bias” posts I don’t expect anything but more of the same debunked nonsense (“we can ignore this passage”, “they didn’t have homosexual relationships back then”, “its not talking about committed gays”, “its only temple idolatry”, “Jesus says nothing about it” “the bible is full of errors” etc….) But I am open to being surprised!

        Lets see if Scot actually has the chops to adequately respond to what Gagnon lays out in a scriptural way, in the same way, scripturally or will he fall back on simply a humanist, secular and emotional argument?

        • Jordan

          You see the parallel right? Those against slavery didn’t have the clear argument, the proof text, the verse to make the case. They did have some arguments, but maybe they’re just humanist, secular and emotional…but of course they were based on the biblical text. Do you recognize this Frank?

          You recognize that Scot takes the Bible seriously right?…that was one of his prejudices…he wants to base his position on what the Biblical message is. Can you recognize that’s what he is doing, even if you both come to different conclusions?

          • Frank

            The failure around the issue of the modern day understanding of slavery and what the bible says about biblical slavery and servitude has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is a sin or not. It does however have much to do with how people will try and twist the message and meaning of scripture to justify a life lived the way they would like.

            The failure of those southern baptists is no different from the failure of those that are trying to change the meaning of Gods word around sexuality. They both try and misrepresent scripture.

        • JoeyS

          Frank, do you believe slavery to be wrong? Sinful? Against Biblical teaching?

          If yes, I have to ask, by what passages? Where is your scriptural support for this stance? Because the Bible seems quite clear that slaves are to submit and not disobey or, God forbid, support abolition.

    • http://scottpaeth.typepad.com Scott Paeth

      “otherwise it will simply fall into humanist, secular, and emotional reasoning.” Lordy, we wouldn’t want that, would we? Also, one of these things is not like the others ….

      • Frank

        If you are a humanist or secular I would suspect that kind of reasoning would be the basis of all your beliefs. If you are a Christian you start with scripture and if secular, humanist or emotional reasoning supports the scriptural view there is nothing wrong with including it to support your case. If it is is opposition to scripture then you have to choose what G(g)od you will follow.

        • http://scottpaeth.typepad.com Scott Paeth

          And when there is a conflict within Scripture, you have to use your gifts of moral discernment. But what makes for a conflict? If you believe that scripture is a set of instructions and you just need to follow them to get the right result, then on this issue, you may not see any. But if you believe, as I do, that scripture is a narrative of God’s relationship with God’s people (and, I’ll note, neither inerrant, nor infallible), then there are many more conflicts than you might be aware of.

          • Evelyn

            “So long as religion is only faith and outward form, and the religious function is not experienced in our own souls, nothing of any importance has happened. It has yet to be understood that the mysterium magnum is not only an actuality but is first and foremost rooted in the human psyche. The man who does not know this from his own experience may be a most learned theologian, but he has no idea of religion and still less of education.” -C.G. Jung “The Religious and Psychological Problems of Alchemy”

          • http://www.caseyandjess.com Casey

            Gagnon doesn’t believe the scriptures are inerrant or infallible either. I think that is worth noting.

          • Frank

            Yes Scott I get it. Once you believe that the bible has errors it’s very easy to start dismissing those passages and theologies that are in conflict with the religion of your own making. And there really is no end to it, might as well just dismiss scripture entirely and call yourself god and rewrite the story to your own liking.

          • http://scottpaeth.typepad.com Scott Paeth

            Frank, I’ll let you in on a secret: You know why I “believe” that there are errors in the Bible? Because there are demonstrable errors in the Bible. There are obvious contradictions, there are inconsistencies between various accounts of the same story. There are simply many things in the Bible that simply CANNOT BE if the Bible is either inerrant or infallible.

          • Frank

            Scott what a small view of a small god you have. I’d love to pick apart all the inconsistencies that you see but that would be for another time.

        • http://tonyj.net Tony Jones

          Frank, it is flat out ludicrous to claim that someone who reads the bible differently than you is a secular humanist.

          Seriously, when you write things like that, you sound like a fool. And you convince not a single reader of this blog.

          • Frank

            Tony I have called no one a secular humanist. I pointed out the conditions that one would be self identified as a secular humanist.

            Who ends up sounding foolish is really just a matter of perspective.

        • http://scottpaeth.typepad.com Scott Paeth

          Well, one of us may have a small God, but I don’t think it’s me. Your god (small “g” intended) is small enough to fit into a book.

          • Casey

            Not a judgment call, but I can imagine the retort being:
            “And there are many books quite a bit larger than a brain [and some imaginations].”

  • Brian MacArevey

    I am anxious to here your evaluation of this book. I do have a question with regard to a comment in this post though. You said:

    “Which reminds me that I hope I am prejudiced to value human beings over moral or theological principles.”

    I think I agree with this statement in a sense, but isn’t valuing human beings itself a moral and/or theological principle? And doesn’t everyone define what it means to value human beings?

    I would think that those who believe that homosexuality is a sin believe that they are valuing human beings as well, even though it is for them a moral/theological principle.

    I guess my point is that (since you believe that in order to value homosexuals you must affirm them in their homosexuality) ultimately, you value your own moral and theological principles over those of our fundamentalist brethren. Its not as if you do not have moral and theological convictions yourself.

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  • ME

    I’d be interested to hear if there’s a single critical interpretation or piece of information in the book you don’t already know or haven’t heard before. If there is I’d be surprised.

    So, I doubt the biases really matter. You probably already know all the information and interpretations on this issue. How this guy pieces the information together into an argument- what will it matter?

  • Chuck

    Those who opposed slavery had something better than scripture–a really big army. If the Confederacy had won the war, the interpretation of the Bible that justified slavery would have been the right one.

  • http://www.caseyandjess.com Casey

    I will mail a $5 check, handwritten in my favorite sharpie pen, or Sbux giftcard to anyone who is able to get Gagnon himself engaged in the comments section.

    • http://tonyj.net Tony Jones

      As will I.

    • Scot Miller

      That’s exactly what I’m afraid of.

      Looking at his webpage, Gagnon does not appear shy when it comes to answering his critics…

      • Casey

        Scot,

        Do not fear. If you can get Gagnon to respond to your thread/comments I’ll send you $10. I’d suspect Tony might hook it up too…

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  • Ancius

    My question is probably beside the point, but I wonder if Gagnon would/should agree that it was necessarily immoral to be slaveholder during biblical times.

    In a society in which the slavery is widely practiced, the (supposed) duty to free all of your slaves strikes me as comparable to today’s (supposed) duty to avoid spending any of your cash on unnecessary comforts (given that you could always donate the same money towards helping another desperately needy child overseas).

    Scott Miller, I’d be interested in your thoughts.

    • Scot Miller

      Gagnon actually addresses the biblical view of slavery on pp. 443-48. (I’m apparently not the first person to find a parallel between slavery and homosexuality :) . Not only does he think the Bible barely tolerates the practice of slavery, but he reads Philemon as practically an abolitionist manifesto. (I’m being a bit facetious, but he really does think Paul is doing all he can to get Philemon to free Onesimus.) So I think Gagnon may actually think the practice of slavery was not morally justified.

      I need to think about your comparison between abolition in a slave-society and not spending money frivolously in a consumer/capitalistic society.

  • http://twofriarsandafool.com/ Aric Clark

    Glad you’re doing this Scot. I’ve interacted with Gagnon’s work in the past, read it, dissected it, blogged about it. His is a sharp mind utterly dedicated to defending the indefensible. He is worshipped in certain circles for providing intellectual justification for what people want to believe, but it’s a house of cards dependent on philosophical commitments like complementarianism. Looking forward to your observations.

    • Frank

      “providing intellectual justification for what people want to believe, but it’s a house of cards dependent on philosophical commitments”

      You have perfectly described Scots upcoming response to Gagnon I suspect. Maybe I will be wrong and Scot will actually use scripture to base his argument on, just as Gagnon does. Otherwise it will be easily and rightly dismissed like all the other failed attempts to justify the claim “homosexual behavior is not a sin.”

      • http://scottpaeth.typepad.com Scott Paeth

        Well now Scot doesn’t even need to write it. Frank already knows what Scot will say and has made up his mind about it. How about that!

        • Frank

          Its called an educated guess based on Scots post so far that I have read.

      • http://twofriarsandafool.com/ Aric Clark

        You missed the point Frank. Gagnon employs scripture, yes, a great deal of it. But his argument is ultimately based on a philosophical commitment to complimentarianism he brings to his reading of scripture.

        • Frank

          Which is biblically supported.

          • http://twofriarsandafool.com/ Aric Clark

            Nah. Complementarianism is complete eisegesis.

          • Frank

            What is your scriptural proof for that opinion?

  • Basil

    Frank is part of the “I’m Christian, unless you’re gay…” school of thought (you can google that phrase yourself). It’s people like him who incite violence and drive LGBT teens to suicide. But the world is slowly changing. Each of us needs to do our part to bend the arc of the universe towards justice.

    • Frank

      Basil you won blindness is your worst enemy. I am a Christian, period. I believe that there are active gay folks who are Christian as well. The only issue is whether one considers homosexual behavior a sin or not. Plenty of evidence that is is, no evidence that it is not.

  • Basil

    Frank, you have no biblical ‘evidence’, just your own bigotry which you read into the Bible. It’s a shame, but it’s your shame alone.

    • Frank

      Actually there happens to be a book of biblical evidence by Gagnon.

      So where is YOUR evidence to the contrary? Just one verse showing us how God condones homosexual behavior, just one verse!

      • Basil

        Again, you offer no scriptural evidence for your position. You just run off to some barely known writer, to try and justify your own bigotry — apparently you cannot do that work yourself. It’s pure laziness on your part. You are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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