A Whole Podcast about Nothing

Homebrewed Christianity

Tripp has done me a great favor by posting a new HBC podcast from AAR last year — a debate in the Open and Relational Theologies Group about the doctrine of creatio ex nihilo. It follows up on our debate of last week. I tend to think that Phil Clayton’s opening remarks are spot on: this is really about the very nature of God — but if it can be proved that creatio ex nihilo is really responsible of monarchial monotheism, misogyny, and governmental hierarchies, then I’ll abandon it.

Here’s a teaser for the podcast, and a link:

Get ready for a theological treasure chest! Here you get not one or even two theologians but SIX theologians ready to throw down theologically over Creation Out of Nothing. The audio was harvested from the Open and Relational Theologies group at the American Academy of Religion of which I am a very proud member!  This episode will include the panelists arguments for or against Creatio Ex Nihilio and later this weekend we will post the Question & Response portion of the session.  The initial panel includes:

Download their papers and listen to the podcast at: The Creatio Ex Nihilio Debate!.

Finally, let me just say that if I had to write my syllabus for next month’s DMin cohort again, I would include Keller’s Face of the Deep.

  • http://www.kowkabchobel.com/antichristaliens Lock

    “creatio ex nihilo is really responsible of monarchial monotheism, misogyny, and governmental hierarchies..”

    Give me a break guys. The king has no clothes. You may as well be arguing the angels standing on the head of a pin. Some may take you serious, but I hope that most don’t.

  • http://www.dualravens.com Patrick O

    “creatio ex nihilo is really responsible of monarchial monotheism, misogyny, and governmental hierarchies..”

    Moltmann is, as much as any theologian, against all those things (See Trinity and the Kingdom, in fact, for specific against those), but argues for creatio ex nihilo.

    Indeed, the idea that God is not dependent on pre-existing conditions but can do something entirely new is a big part of the hope that “monarchial monotheism, misogyny, and governmental hierarchies” are due to creatio ex nihilo is pretty much ignoring the actual instances of church history which contributed to those being part of the church’s implicit and explicit doctrines.

  • http://www.dualravens.com Patrick O

    A cut and paste disaster seems to have made my comment a wee bit (more) incoherent. Made it bit into a Wheel of Fortune like Before and After.

    Here’s that last paragraph again, this time with feeling:

    Indeed, the idea that God is not dependent on pre-existing conditions but can do something entirely new is a big part of the hope that “monarchial monotheism, misogyny, and governmental hierarchies” need not be defining elements of the future of the church, theology or the church. God is not dependent on adapting to these and neither are we. We can do something new, and something new can even happen where we have given up hope. Indeed, the idea that these are due to creatio ex nihilo is pretty much ignoring the actual instances of church history which contributed to those being part of the church’s implicit and explicit doctrines.

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