In honor of the Christian Sabbath, here’s a comment from a Christian who wants to set us straight. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
Do u guys not understand that when Adam ate the fruit it brought sin into the world. With the sin people knew the difference between good and evil. People chosse to do evil and kill other people God didnt kill anybody. Plus how can you say God killed people when you dont even believe in God. So techinically all of you on here do believe there is a God because you are arguing that God killed people.
So all of you really need to get saved because God still loves you eventhough your dissing on him. God sent Jesus to the world to die for you. You guys choose not to believe it becasue you let the devil convince you. I will pray for you and i hope you come to realize that there is a God, and he loves you very much.
I suppose you will all be getting saved now?
No?
He may pray for me, but he does not realize that I am praying for him to be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
Low-hanging fruit.
I just looked at Steve’s blog/website– he’s the Perillo of Perillo tours! Man, you’d think this guy would be smarter than that. I thought this post was from a kid!
[quote]I will pray for you[/quote]
If I may quote you Daniel,
I will think for you.
Why do christians seem to think we are attacking their god? I see it as showing them how their version of beliefs supports murder and hate.
Yeah, God never killed anybody.
Another Christian who didn’t read his bible.
“So all of you really need to get saved because God still loves you even though your dissing on him.”
This is my favorite sentence.
His logic is undeniable.
Oh wait.. no it’s not. I was just momentarily turned retard by how stupid his statement was.
Hey bud. Read the Bible. God did kill people. A lot of people. Quite often.
Of course, he stopped after John said that there was this dude named Jesus, about two generations -after- the time that this Jesus was supposed to have been around.
btw. If I wrote a book about some guy named Heyzues, would you believe everything that I wrote?
Why not? I can also, easily, say that I am influenced and inspired by God! My disdain of current religious values is only because they’ve all got it -wrong-. God told me so. He said “hey dude, they’re wrong, spread my new gospel yo”.
Prove me wrong. I’ll be waiting.
And while you’re at it, disprove Joseph Smith and Muhammad.
Don’t Christians use spellcheck?
creation
adam blamed eve. eve blamed the serpent. the serpent didn’t have a leg to stand on…
Another competitor for Stupid Christian of the Week:
I don’t need evidence for God. He just is.
Encountered over at Matt McCormick’s fine blog, Atheism: Proving the Negative
Plus how can you say God killed people when you dont even believe in God. So techinically all of you on here do believe there is a God because you are arguing that God killed people.
Pointing out that the story he tells is internally inconsistent means that I must believe in his story? Teh SToopid.
From Genesis:
God lied to Adam, 2:16-17:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The serpent told the truth to Eve, 3:4-5:
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
I think I got dumber after reading that…admonition.
“you are arguing that God killed people”
We are arguing that the God of the Bible is fictional. The internally inconsistent text which is taken as authoritative in describing this fictional character illustrates a vicious killer, a butcher of the innocent. What really disturbs us is the people who want to base laws on this ancient fiction, a text containing rules on slavery and describing incest in glowing terms.
He’s giving the devil too much credit.
But, I do like how he mentions that “God sent Jesus to die for us.” Ask him to explain why Jesus had to die for us. So many Christians get tripped up by the “why.” I could explain it better than most, as I studied it for nearly 20 years.
Also, many Christians believe that Jesus’ atonement covers all, “that none may perish.” According to some Christians, we’re all saved. Yay!
That’s what I call entertainment. This is what you get when you have a real fanatic, that believes what ever he is told. Insane ramblings at best.
Where do you begin with this?
If someone can’t understand the concept of arguments in the alternative, there really isn’t much chance we can even have a discussion of substance.
“With the sin people knew the difference between good and evil.”
If people didn’t know the difference between good and evil, how was eating the apple wrong?
I wish I could think as clearly as the rest of you all seem to do.
“Plus how can you say God killed people when you dont even believe in God. So techinically all of you on here do believe there is a God because you are arguing that God killed people.”
Dammit! By logic alone, I have to go to church now.
This is really high concept.
Making light of this guy, is about as hard as portraying war as a bad thing.
A lack of education or social sophistication is not an indicator of the ability to love or serve.
Well, I for one am convinced by this guy’s powerful and persuasive argument and now think Jesus is rather splendid.
So who do I need to give my money to?
Holy crap! That verbal diarrhea gets published, but not my “Three simple words”? I think you are getting too easily amused Daniel :P
I’m not even sure how to comment to this. I don’t feel right attacking an unarmed man in a battle of wits.
Sorry–I don’t feel the need to read crap with more than one spelling or grammar mistake per line.
HWJS: How would Jesus spell?
“dissing on him”
I though it was illegal for anyone over the age of 25 to use such a phrase — is Steve P the Ali G of the music world?
“Is it ‘cuz I’m a composer …”
LMAO! Must…go…pee
Forrest Gum should not be allowed in this blog.
Oh…Oh my…how wrong I’ve been!…How much of my life have I wasted using rationality and correct grammar..?! Noble commenter – you have made me see the error of my filthy atheist ways! How could I have been so blind as to not see that some naked lady eating an apple is total justification for the church having control over my ovaries? All my life I’ve been railing against the paranoid, weak-minded notion of a fantastical misogynist, racist, homicidal, jealous, monomaniacal psychopath of a deity described in ancient, outdated scriptures – but now I understand that because I have for so long denied his existance, he MUST exist…
Oh what a fool I’ve been….
At least his argument that christians morality comes from sin which is less offensive than the argument that morality comes from God that is so offensive to humanity.
I am amused at his incoherent argument of the sinfulness of christian morality. I am wondering which church he learn that from.
You probably argue that Winnie the Pooh is cheerful rather than manic-depressive. So technically you believe there is a real Pooh Bear because you are arguing that he is cheerful.
*snort*
This articulate and eloquent (for preschool) message with its cogent, literate (for kindergarten) message has accomplished what I am sure this Christian came here to accomplish – he has won a soul for Christ. Your illiteracy and irrationality has worked its magic… your grade-school writing has won a soul at last… I’m shaking with the power of the Holy Spirit, or the Holey Spit, or something… (or is it suppressed laughter?)… this Christian must be a shining beacon of the lord Jesus Christ’s stupidity and illiteracy and ignorance… I’m becoming a Christian…
No.
Hey, Mithra sacrificed the bull to save the world from Ahriman the serpent.
How can you turn your back on him?
So where is Steve, anyway? Have we scared him off?
Personally, I’d rather he was touched by Cthulhu.
*snort* – all hail the FSM
I think that is an unfair generalization.
And why would an all-powerful, all-knowing being need to be defended by a mere mortal?
Well played dorian9 :) I think I may have to use that at some point.
Excellent… all it needed was the drum roll and cymbal…
I am so stealing that…
I Am always pleased to see someone use My Words correctly. Oh, I haven’t said them – - – yet – - -
spell check is not in the bible
At least he didn’t leave the CAP LOCK on….
Sounds like he already has been.
I think you’ll find they (Xians) will interperet this as metaphorical death, i.e. before eating the fruit adam & co would live for ever, but now would have to suffer death.
The godbots do this all the time, swapping between literal and allegorical interpretaions so often it makes ones head spin. Whichever interpretation suits them best (at the time). Give someone who knows the bible reasonably well half an hour, and I am willing to bet they could find one or several passages to support ANY proposal you wish to put forward. Especially mutually exclusive ones, they specialise in those …
James – I am interested in knowing what the supposed reason for that is.
I have never received a coherent answer, having asked the question of many believers.
Apparently, some church here in Greenville is going to answer that very question for all us non-believing, reason-loving troglodytes…in the form of a Very Special Easter program. I’m sure it’ll be like Mel Gibson’s “Passion of the Christ,” but with a much lower budget.
What do you mean?
I agree. My favourite is to take ‘love thye brother’ literalily. Now those big families just got weirder.
My favourite wierdy interpretation of this is as follows: there is an obscure New Testament phrase that says that to the Lord, a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Therefore Adam really did die on the same “day” because according to the genealogies he died less than a thousand years later.
Now excuse me, while I roll my eyes.
I think you’ll find they (Xians) will interperet this as metaphorical death
Yes, many of them do. I like to point out that the verse in Genesis doesn’t say anything about “metaphorical,” so if they believe that it is simply their interpretation, which varies from the word of God.
It’s interesting how so many things in the Bible are unquestionably correct until they are proven wrong, at which point they become metaphorical.
Reginald – excellent point. Like the places where the bible refers to a flat earth – This is why Gallileo was imprisoned by the church for daring to assert that the earth was flat. Now those passages are just allegory. So are the ones about beating children, slavery, mysogeny, etc. This is because we have evolved past the “morals” of the bible. So xtians have to spin and spin to explain all the atrocities commanded in teh bible.
bwahahaah I agree
going straight to that church around the corner that wakes me up at 7 in t be morning wi6th their crappy christian rock on a Sunday to get saved. I didn’t realize i was a believer till now!! The devil had me convinced!
OH PLEASE. how do people come up with this stuff and then convince themselves its right!
Jabster -
1. “dissing on him” – I’m thinking he either meant “dissing him” or “pissing on him” – I’m thinking the first one is more likely. But just like the bible, this is open to interpretation.
2. I’m thinking you too could collaborate and make beautiful music together???
Sorry, can’t spell 2nite (guess I shouldn’t be hard on Steve then…) I meant to say “you two could collaborate”.
Christian rock simultaneously destroys christianity and rock. Bein’ cool & rappin’ for Jay-sus.
Me too!
…and I kept saying “I’m thinking” in that last post. Guess I better shut down – brain in off position.
I often get stuck in the, ‘I know it’s wrong, but I can’t quite put my finger on it’ syndrome. You guys always seem to hit the nail on the head long before I figure it all out! Maybe ’cause I’m over 60?
Simple! He couldn’t!
Flea – don’t dump on Forrest. He was so sweet in that movie that for a while after I saw it I wanted to hook up with someone “slow” :)
Roger – I didn’t see Gibson’s “Passion” but I understand it’s pretty much 2 hours of explicit torture scenes. It’s pretty horrific to me that many christians came out of that feeling “inspired”. When I watch torture, I’m disturbed. Must be my sick atheist morality.
I saw that movie. It was quite gruesome.
I take it you weren’t inspired??? Man, bet you weren’t inspired by Texas Chainsaw Massacre either…jeeez
In my opinion (which, of course, is informed by my apostasy), it was nothing but a two hour snuff film. Hell, if you want to watch a snuff film with great special effects, fine with me; but don’t claim it’s some moving testimony to how much Jesus loves you (way to be egocentric!) and how much he sacrificed for humanity (doesn’t seem like he sacrificed that much, since he frakkin’ got up and ascended to heaven a couple of days later).
I snuck in after a viewing of one of the LOTR movies (I forget which one) and walked out when Jesus had a lovely whip with thick pieces of metal imbedded in his side. Going to the movies shouldn’t make me lose my lunch.
Roger – Now for sure I will NOT see that movie. Garbage in, garbage out. I’m sickened by the whole thing.
Mogg – this verse is also used to support the possibility that genesis is true by using 1000 years for each of the 6 days of creation. Problem is, that still leaves the problem of the specific geneology in the OT starting with Adam & Eve, as well as the fact that there’s still, uh, about 13 billion years unaccounted for.
Ken Ham wrote a book, The Lie: Evolution in which he quoted the above verses from Genesis 2:16-17. He also made a case, elsewhere in the book, that the word “day” in Genesis should be understood as a literal 24 hour period.
Own goal.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Love it. He took “dumbing down” to a whole new level.
Me.
Oh yeah, count me in too. Pick me up for church on sunday???
Thanks, I’ll check out that info by Ken Ham. Thanx.
unsurprising result Reg – ken ham is a loony
reading ken ham will definitly lower your IQ – *the st00pid … it hurts*
DaMan, I assumed that the book is the “christian’s” perspective on evolution. Honestly, I don’t know who Ken Ham is but I chuckle at the idea that he will be taking on the worldwide scientific community on this topic. Ballsy if nothing else. But now I am very afraid. CANNOT afford to lose any more brain cells. What to do?????
Janet Greene,
To be fair, there are many Christians who acknowledge evolution, like Ken Miller or Francis Collins. I have not read their books, but I think interaction with their ideas would be much more valuable than exposure to a whackaloon like Ken Ham.
Teleprompter – I actually think most christians now acknowledge evolution. But I’m wondering – what could someone possibly say to defend creationism??? I’m just curious.
Yeah, the problem is that Paul makes it very clear that he’s explaining why Jesus hasn’t come back yet, like he promised. Because apparently, despite having lived as a human for 30 years, he doesn’t quite grasp that “within one generation” or “while some of you here are still alive” pretty much has to be less than two thousand years.
Is god really supposed to be so stupid that he’s not figured out how fast humans live?
Sounds like a cop out to me, if ever I heard one.
If ever there’s some fudging needed re timescales, then whoops lets have 1 day=1,000 years (and vice versa), keep the historians on their toes, you know?
What a crock of s**t.
@Janet
yes, those two interpretations seem to go together. I’m not sure why 1000 years is any more believable than 1 literal day. The same thing is also used to “prove” we are almost at the end of the world: if a thousand years is like a day, and we are 6000 years from creation, and God rested on the seventh day…then the world is going to end!
It’s an interesting way to put a proof together – as an example of what not to do.
@Wintermute
I think it was in one of the epistles of Peter, which are generally thought to have been written well after the first generation and most of the second generation of believers were already dead. An after-the-fact attempt at explanation, in other words.
Um, no. Galileo was imprisoned for daring to suggest that the Earth moved around the sun. And while the Bible doesn’t make any statement that I’m aware of on whether or not the Earth is stationary, it was certainly official Catholic dogma of the time, on the grounds that the Earth was the centre of god’s interest, and therefore it only made sense for it to be the centre of the universe.
wintermute – omigod thanks for correcting me on that. I seem to be sleep-blogging.
And while the Bible doesn’t make any statement that I’m aware of on whether or not the Earth is stationary
See a list of references at The Flat-Earth Bible, including:
1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Well, in evangelical denominations (I speak as one who was a Southern Baptist for nearly 20 years before becoming an atheist) the basic idea is that sinful man is separated from holy god. The only way the two can be brought together is by a sacrifice – one who was without sin had to pay the penalty in our place. I’m a bit rusty on my theology, as it was a decade ago that I took Bible classes at a Baptist college, so I had to refer to wikipedia:
Substitutionary atonement is a doctrine in Christian theology which states that Jesus of Nazareth died – intentionally and willingly – on the cross as a propitiation, or substitute, for sinners. This doctrine presents Jesus’ death as a supreme act of love for mankind, in order to bring people into a relationship with God. It stresses the vicarious nature of the crucifixion as being “instead of us”.
I’ve seen a reply to that before: “One, they of course ate the fruit, which allowed them to know what good and evil is in an instant instead of a more gradual process (remember, Eve was just beginning to learn which is why she hesitated). Secondly, they blamed their sin on each other, instead of confessing it. perhaps a lighter punishment would have occured if they had confessed, but i do not know. Humans may be curious, but these weren’t little babies that needed to be nurtured. God gave them everything they needed to live self-sufficiently, and they were obviously intelligent enough to do that. God also gave them ONE command, and they obeyed it until Eve were tempted by Satan in the guise of a serpent. Having allowd sin to enter their lives, and given Satan more power over them, God gave them pain and death so that they could be able to turn back to him through his promise, and be able to return to him after death. Because unlike murder where a life is taken without restoration, God, being the creator of death, can restore life to those who die.”
I love this part the most: “God gave them pain and death so that they could be able to turn back to him through his promise”. Because pain and death makes me love someone. Only if I were a masochist. Oh man, I nearly wrote masochrist.
Daniel did not say that. He’s showing you what a Christian on another site said. Daniel is the owner of this blog.
High Road poster takes the high road.
Ocean – weren’t adam and eve EXACTLY like babies? They had – what, 2 days life experience before the infamous “fruit incident”?
“God also gave them ONE command”
Without knowledge of Good and Evil how is disobeying that command wrong?
I find the verse about premature ejaculation particularly pertinent.
Gawd that’s good.
Prof Yackle – sorry, which verse is that? Let me guess – the penalty for premature ejaculation is….DEATH???
That’s something I like about this blog. Sometimes I get my reaction into good words; other times someone comes along and says something so pointedly I have to laugh, and say “Bravo!”.
Hahahahahaha! Now I do, too.
Yeah. I dunno, I wasn’t the one who wrote it. But people do go great lengths to justify things like that in the bible it seems.
Yeah, you gotta kinda feel sorry for them (I mean had they existed).
Beats me. I still think that kind of punishment for eating a fruit is extreme.
As someone else pointed out, after 6000 years you’d think god would have gotten over it…
“Christian rock simultaneously destroys christianity and rock. ”
It DOES!~!!!!
It’s like matter and anti-matter.
They annihilate each other in a burst of gamma rays that give cancer to everyone listening.
So, how ya doin’?
Run Forrest, run!
Thanx trj – but I got over it! LMGDFAO
thanks for your response!
I am sure you now agree this just raises so many more questions ….
no no – give it to me !!
I represent Jeebus on earth, I SWEAR it’s true …
DaMan, I think you only get the money if somebody makes up a story about you in about 300 years and calls it the “gospels”. Sorry.
I dunno. If it’s good enough for Eric Cartman, it’s good enough for me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ibVbxkjnA&feature=related
Dang! Oh well, that just leaves me more time for my football collectibles.
If you’re famous enough, you can threaten that Jaysus will call you home if you don’t get 800 million in donations.
Worked for “my favorite sex is Oral”.
FSM!