This poster is a bit misleading. I can see the creationists going, “But your belief is wrong!” You don’t believe something that’s fact. It’s….fact. I don’t believe gravity exists, I know it does.
This is purely semantic, but: sure you do. Everything you think you know is a collection of beliefs. Beliefs are based on evidence. (A mere claim is evidence, just not very strong evidence, depending on who made it.) When you encounter a new belief, you compare it against the beliefs you hold; if there is no contradiction, you might accept it; if there is a contradiction, you may reject the new belief, or reject a belief you already held and accept the new one; or seek more evidence to decide which belief to accept.
I believe that evolution happened, and that I had pizza for dinner last night, and that World War I was ignited by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, and that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that if I drop an apple it will fall towards the center of the planet, and…
Faith is belief without evidence or in the face of contrary evidence.
Faith is belief without evidence or in the face of contrary evidence.
That reminds me of Dawkins’ explanation of his choice of the word “Delusion” in the title of his book: “The dictionary . . . defines ‘Delusion’ as ‘a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.’”
I’d say it’s a slightly more important qualification than semantic; the way I usually explain it to folks is that knowledge is a very special type of belief, so if you imagine a Venn Diagram, you’d have a big circle labeled “belief”, and a much smaller circle inside it labeled “knowledge”.
That should be a television comedy-drama: “Desperate Creationists.” Or, you could have some creationists on the sitcom “The Big Bang Theory” trying to debate Sheldon Cooper.
My favorite version I’ve seen is “Change we don’t have to believe in, because we have sufficient evidence.” Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find the picture again.
LOL. That goes on the HD.
http://hermetica.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/viva_la_evolucion.jpg
LIES!
First Church of Peyton Manning
That is becoming my new desktop background!
This poster is a bit misleading. I can see the creationists going, “But your belief is wrong!” You don’t believe something that’s fact. It’s….fact. I don’t believe gravity exists, I know it does.
This is purely semantic, but: sure you do. Everything you think you know is a collection of beliefs. Beliefs are based on evidence. (A mere claim is evidence, just not very strong evidence, depending on who made it.) When you encounter a new belief, you compare it against the beliefs you hold; if there is no contradiction, you might accept it; if there is a contradiction, you may reject the new belief, or reject a belief you already held and accept the new one; or seek more evidence to decide which belief to accept.
I believe that evolution happened, and that I had pizza for dinner last night, and that World War I was ignited by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, and that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that if I drop an apple it will fall towards the center of the planet, and…
Faith is belief without evidence or in the face of contrary evidence.
“Beliefs are based on evidence” should be “beliefs are usually based on evidence”.
That reminds me of Dawkins’ explanation of his choice of the word “Delusion” in the title of his book: “The dictionary . . . defines ‘Delusion’ as ‘a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.’”
I’d say it’s a slightly more important qualification than semantic; the way I usually explain it to folks is that knowledge is a very special type of belief, so if you imagine a Venn Diagram, you’d have a big circle labeled “belief”, and a much smaller circle inside it labeled “knowledge”.
Perhaps. Some people use the word belief to mean what I mean by the word faith. I like to specify: I have many beliefs, but no faith.
Some people use the word belief to mean what I mean by the word faith.
True. If more people adhered to the epistemological definitions of the terms, there would be far less confusion all around.
To be even more specific for folks, you could clarify that “faith” is a specific justification procedure for certain classes of belief.
Desperate creationists laugh!
That should be a television comedy-drama: “Desperate Creationists.” Or, you could have some creationists on the sitcom “The Big Bang Theory” trying to debate Sheldon Cooper.
Love it :)
That’s been my laptop’s “wallpaper” photo for… a while now. Since around election time. I think I saw it on Comedy Central’s politics blog.
I also like the one with Optimus Prime that says “CHANGE … Into A Truck”
Just remembered I also saw an “Obamified” version of elemenope’s gravatar!
Dr. House in 2012?
LOL. “Change you can survive (barely) while being wittily insulted”
“Change is coming whether you believe it or not!”
where can I get that poster size? It’s gotta be on my wall
I think a better slogan would be “Gradual change we have evidence for”.
My favorite version I’ve seen is “Change we don’t have to believe in, because we have sufficient evidence.” Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find the picture again.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
does it come on a t-shirt?
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Yes, you can get it on a t-shirt or poster. Click through to my link. All proceeds go to support the NCSE.