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Well, the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
I’ve forgotten who said that originally.
I was just looking for this cartoon to post in a discussion I was having. I looked all over and couldn’t find it. Then you posted it. Thanks!
Discussion—> Answer Bearer: Apologetics for the Soul — Freethinkers and Brights
i was waiting for the image to finish loading for like 5 minutes, then i got it hah
You and me both. I felt like the last horse crossing the finish line when I figured out the joke.
tomBombadil, I don’t know what’s funnier, the cartoon or you waiting for it to load! I could totally see me doing that too! ;-)
Why were you cut out of the Lord of The Rings films?
I suppose the insurmountable difference is that theists like to fill-in the blank.
hah granted i was on my phone
i don’t know man, im too bad ass i guess
They should have left that whole ring sub-plot out and kept in Bombadill…
Daniel, you are so right. They should have just left out that silly ring plot and made it a musical about Tom Bombadil.
It’s either that or they figured all the singing would turn off newcomers to the Tolkien world. ;-)
Kind of like the Catholics, then.
so believers see god as copyrighted by dhayward? awesome.
What’s sad is that for a minute, I was waiting for the rest of the cartoon yo load.
Ha, i waited a min for it to load too.thats what prayers must feel like.
Love the cartoon – it makes me wonder how a similar cartoon would look:
How an atheist looks to a believer
and
How a believer looks to an atheist.
No doubt the atheist would come out some kind of hideous monster. A ringwraith?
Too funny. Took me a while to get it. Thanks for reminding me of what christans feel like constantly. IDIOTS.
It’s pretty harsh to call Xians “idiots”. Some of them surely are, but others were raised in this tradition, and they just can’t see around it. They get indoctrinated as children, and take it from me, it’s hard to break those shackles when they’ve been on as long as you’ve had memories.
Daniel, this seems like a pretty simplistic argument.
This is also what black holes look like. We don’t discover black holes by looking for black holes. We look for them by looking for gravitational anomalies.
Similarly, God would logically only be visible by the effect that He has in the world because if He exists he is by definition non-physical and would therefore not look like anything. There is quite a big difference between not being visible and not existing.
I must have missed the argument you speak of.
There is also a big similarity between being invisible and non-existing, as the cartoon points to. It’s not an argument, it is just funny :-)
“if He exists he is by definition non-physical”
You might be using some new definition I haven’t seen in the bible. Can you develope that idea? Note: all arguments wich can be reduced to “as he is not physical, he must be non-physical” will be answered with “…or non-existing”
Black holes are physical, so they have an effect on our physical world. Do you have any example about an existing non-physical thing, so that we can deduce that there could be others? Moreover, how can something non-physical affect our physical world? And last but not least, how can something non-physical be conscient?
Answer: Move the goalposts again.
well….Everything is physical really. Even seemingly the seemingly intangible, like an idea or air, have mass (ideas are stored and processed in the brain, which has mass, much like a hard drive, and air obviously has mass.) However, light is said to be mass less. Whether this is simply due to an inability to measure that small an amount, the existence of the alleged “Higgs Boson” (with light separating from any such particles upon its creation), or some other reason, currently most scientists do not believe it has mass. But…does that not mean it isn’t physical? It can heat things up, or change the results of experiments (observation changes results).
BTW, I’m also an atheist, so I’m not arguing against you, just….interested
Here’s an experiment for you: Take a cleanly formatted hard drive, and weigh it. Now open up Word and, write down all your ideas and save them to that hard drive. To reduce the effect of inaccurate measuring, add as many ideas from other people as you can think of too. Feel free to include music and videos, or any other media (which are, after all, only the expressions of people’s ideas). Then weigh the hard drive again.
How much do ideas weigh?
Do you really think your brain gets heavier when you think of something?
I dunno if that’s the best analogy. The same bits are on the hard drive when it’s empty as when it’s full, it’s just a question of changing the ones and zeroes into a pattern that represents a Word document (or whatever).
Perhaps memory works in a similar way? But I agree that everything is physical. My understanding is that a physical characteristic of some kind is perceived as an “idea” by your consciousness, which is itself an illusion created by your brain-hardware.
Well, yes it does. Cognition alters the existing matter in your brain into new patterns. It does not cause new matter to magically appear in your brain.
And, given that the original argument was that “ideas have mass, because the brain has mass”, I can’t see why it would be a bad analogy. It was even introduced in the original argument.
But just because something is a pattern within a pre-existing substrate, rather than a crude lump of stuff doesn’t make it any less physical.
Word.
@rodneyAnonymous: in this case, M$ Word.
Well, technically bytes and ideas are energy and energy does not have mass. But they do require a solid substance to operate – without hardware there’s no software, without brain cells there are no thoughts, so…
The brain has mass. Yep. Therefore, thoughts must have mass? Nope. This is a non sequitur.
Nope, God was quite physical in OT. He used to go from place to place, sometimes using clouds or cherubs to move around. He dwelt on mountain tops, in the tabernacle, in temples. He had a body which he wouldn’t show to the people because the sight would kill them (although Moses got a peek at him).
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them.
Well if god is only “logically visible by the effect that he has in the world”, then he must be pretty ugly, considering murder, rape, genocide, torture, starvation, disease, dishonesty, ignorance and bigotry are the trademarks of religions bearing his name. Of course, this “logic” of yours is totally broken anyway, but I thought I’d follow the rabbit down the hole nevertheless, just to see where it lead me.
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That is soooo good. What’s to say but
Haaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
The colossal inconsistencies and contradictions in the religious or theist’s world view are so great they actually should not warrant debate, neither by serious scientists, nor by us, the common rationalists. We could simply leave them to their silly, mythological beliefs.
For myself, it is the overwhelming and compelling desire to examine that which a staggeringly credulous population that has either wilfully or ignorantly forgotten: how to ask why.
This cartoon is brilliant!
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The God that many worship….
The God that many worship….
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this is the correct link to that cartoon btw:
http://www.nakedpastor.com/2009/07/29/cartoon-a-united-vision/
Am I to understand God does not exist for both?
The point. You missed it.