Chuck Norris is not happy about the FFRF’s attempt to stop the motto and pledge from being engraved on the Capitol Center building. And when Chuck Norris ain’t happy, people get hurt. Norris says:
Atheists might not be found in every foxhole, but the bunker called the Capitol Visitor Center has a couple of them in there right now. I think it’s time that Americans let them know not only that the motto and pledge are at the heart of our country but also that whitewashing God from the walls of history is actually an unfair promotion of atheism and an injustice to all that is America.
Chuck is simply wrong. The motto and pledge are not at the heart of our country. “In God We Trust” did not become the national motto until 1956 — 16 years after Norris was born, and 180 years after our nation was founded. The pledge, written by a socialist preacher in 1892, did not have “under God” in it until it was added in 1954.
Neither the motto or pledge are at the heart of America — they are later additions by ’50s religious zealots.
America is not a Christian nation, and it has never been. We do not all believe in God, nor are we all “one nation under God.” We are people of many different faiths — and many of us have no faith at all.
Mr. Norris says he is a “fighter for the freedoms of speech and religion.” Well so am I — I will fight for people to believe anything they want, as long as it does not hurt others. But we have a secular government, not a religious one. It is build on law, not God.
We do not object to telling and honoring our country’s history — not even the parts where religion come in. We love and honor truth. We do, however, object to $100,000 being spent to engrave religious fluff on a government building. Can you really blame us?
Oh nos, Chuck is against us, we should stop fighting, we already lost. :D
Chuck is getting old. I think I could take him.
He is not so tough. He needs the crutch of religion apparently.
Mr. Norris says he is a “fighter for the freedoms of speech and religion.”
Well his own relgion anyway. Does he not realise that there are other religions in the US.
I really don’t think he quite meant to say it that way. I bet he’s not fighting for the rights of Muslims to practice their religion.
No, he probably would. They believe in Yahweh, after all. So they are *kinda* evil, but not *totally* evil. He’d probably also campaign for Hindus, cos they’re *quite a bit wrong*, but not *totally* wrong.
Bottom line is: if you believe in invisible sky-daddies, then you have sympathy for other people who believe in invisible sky-daddies. It’s those orphans who are the EVIL ones…
No such thing as a “sky-daddy” at least not in Christianity. Christ didnt teach or model that, actually quite the opposite. Now ya know bro!
All the best, best, best…(echo?) :) lol
You’re right. The correct term is sky-papa.
Ceilng cat.
And the opposite of a sky-daddy is…. an Earth Baby, right?
So you’re saying that Jesus taught about an Earth Baby? Can you provide references for that?
John C,
Ever heard of that one religion known as Judaism? While I understand the whole idea behind the ‘new covenant’, you’re still operating under the same theological breakdown. While the whole ‘God is Love’ notion is nice, that doesn’t eliminate the Jealous, Wrathful, tribal deity of the Old Testament from your religion. The same Deity who smote nations, flooded the world, ordered ‘his people’ to take the lands and wives of their enemies and mauled children with bears for taunting his prophet.
Mark, those gory stories you reference from the OT as historical events are actually descriptions of eternal processes taking place within the constitution of man himself.
Sez you.
Me sez true Elemeno! ha Happy Thanksgiving :)
Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!
God is eternally mauling children with bears?
Inside your soul. Your soul contains both children who mock prophets, and rabid bears that tear them to ribbons.
Um, eternally.
Sorry, but I find those gory stories a lot more likely to be the skewed accounts of Jewish tribal patriarchs to justify their conquests.
John, I seem to remember you saying that the Bible is both literal and allegorical truth. Am I mistaken?
“Bears mauling children. It’s a state of mind, man.”
In this case the Children represent Turkey, and the Bears represent my digestive system.
So yeah, bears mauling children. (burp)
Mark 11:25
“When you stand to pray, forgive anyone against whom you have a grievance, so that your heavenly Father may in turn forgive you your transgressions.”
Mark 8:38:
“Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
Mark 11:25
“When you stand to pray, forgive anyone against whom you have a grievance, so that your heavenly Father may in turn forgive you your transgressions.”
Luke 34:51
“As he blessed them he parted from them and was taken up to heaven”
According to the BIBLE!!!!!!11!!!, Yahweh is totally a sky-daddy.
oops, sorry for the double quote. Rather nice sentiment, though, if you’ll forgive me for believing in belief.
Dan L.,
And exacty where was it that Jesus said we coud find this “kingdom of heaven”….for the kingdom of God/Heaven is within you. (luke 17:21). Heaven means kingly realm of dominion, truth. John Ch 17 shows us clearly where “Father” lived and that was within Him and within us. Now see Ephesians 4:6….God the Father who dwells in all. Hmm…you sure you wanna play bibles at twenty paces?
You gotta stop thinking in religious terms Dan, He is Spirit and He lives within.
Actually, the word “heaven” etymologically just means “sky.” The semantic shift to primarily “realm of God” occurred after Christianity was adopted by English-speaking peoples. Not to jar your religion with knowledge, of course.
No, Christ didnt say the “sky” was within us my friend. Ouranos.
… and you know what Christ said exactly how?
Isn’t it amazing just how many people around have exclusive access to the truth?
This is how. ;-)
Because it’s not past tense…there is no age in the realm of spirit. He is spirit, He is love and love…lives.
Actually, the amazing part for me is how many think they cant know the truth when thats exactly the offer and His heart, that we might know the truth. Truth is always liberating. Believing Him carries great reward.
I think you sound a bit like the Mad Hatter.
Twinkle, twinkle, little bat!
How I wonder what you’re at!
Up above the world you fly,
Like a teatray in the sky.
Twinkle, twinkle little bat!
How I wonder what you’re at!
And you sound a bit cynical, which given your youthful appearance I find very sad. Your journey has just begun, you have much to learn, much to seek and much to find. Dont close your heart off, there may be a wonderful surprise in store for you. All the best.
It’s not a photo. I’m a 3d artist. And I’m a lot cynical. You say that like it’s a bad thing.
I’m sure that he, like most xians, absolutely did mean to say it that way. It demonstrates their myopic view of religion as it pertains to this country. They really believe this country was founded upon the xian faith, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, which they won’t bother to familiarize themselves with, because they value belief and not truth. Xians here honestly believe this is “God’s Country”, despite how incredibly ignorant and false such a belief obviously is.
If it really is God’s Country then it’s just another example of what a fecking idiot this god is. It’s seems as though the Norse gods have done a far better job. The Christian god reminds me of somebody who walks up to you every day punches you in the face while claiming that he’s not a violent person. When you ask how this works the answer you get is “Oh it’s to complicated for you to understand.” … twack.
@Jabster. That “freedom fighter” bit got me, too. Why does he think that atheism is not free speech? And if, as some Xtians think, atheism is akin to a religion then why is he fighting against the freedom to be an atheist?
He should be honest and say: “I am right, you are wrong and if you don’t be quiet I’ll kick your ass just like I believe Jesus would”.
Freedom fighter is just a euphemism for a terrorist that kill people you don’t like.
I think it was George Carlin who asked, “If firefighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?”
I remember a few years ago, Chuck Norris got pissed at those lists of facts about Chuck Norris, on the grounds that they mentioned Evolution (“There is no theory of evolution; there is only a list of animals Chuck Norris has allowed to live”). He agreed with the first half of that, but objected to the second half, because he thought people were comparing him to God.
Since then, I’ve always mentally added “Chuck Norris is a douche” to such lists.
That’s news to me. Everything I heard about his opinion of CNF was that he was a good sport about it.
Jack “Ultimate Consequentialist” Bauer will save us.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52567
He said (according to the article) that he thought the one about evolution was funny and cute, but he objected on the grounds that he is a creationist. Which makes him sorely uninformed and/or stupid, but not “a douche” as you put it. People can have all sorts of silly beliefs without it reflecting on their core character. (His endorsement of Mike Huckabee, on the other hand…:) But by-and-large he found them fun and entertaining. Sounds to me like “being a good sport” about it.
Yeah, but his objection to that “fact” is that he is not god, thus giving him a major case of “missing the joke”.
I posit that, while not sufficient to label him a douche by itself, it’s part of a pattern of douchiness on his part.
Perhaps. I need more data points.
I think that it would be wise for us to listen to the man. After all , he seems to be a very rational and straight forward type of guy. Here is how he stands on a couple of issues.
1. He’s one of the first members of the showbiz community to support California’s Proposition 8.
2. He doesn’t believe in evolution.
3. He does believe in intelligent design.
4. He’s against public schools condoning homosexuality.
5. He recently wrote a column expressing the possibility of Texas seceding from the United States, and then running for it’s presidency.
Obviously he knows what he’s talking about and has a firm grasp on reality.
I’ve also heard that he thinks minimum wage employees should pay higher taxes.
If it wasn’t for the fact that I know there are also a lot of sane people in Texas, I’d say let them go.
Thank you darlin’ (as a Texan).
Maybe you can take over the state instead?
It’s tiring when the religious will preceive something as “atheist” if religious words are removed. What it becomes is neutral to worldview. Do they think consider McDonalds atheist merely because its stores have no mention of God, etc? Or their local gas station? Grocery store?
You mean that creepy clown in mcdonald’s stores is not suppose to be representing the image of god.
He reminded me of my mom, expecting me to accept her imaginary friends while feeding fatty/salty food.
There may be some parallels;
Golden arches/Golden gates
Big Mac/ Big sky daddy
Heart burn/ Eternal torture in a burning hell
Asking a disembodied voice to take your order at the drive through/ praying
Ah see the fries! Ah see the fries!
So is the Hamburglar Satan, and Grimace the angel Gabriel?
McMayor will play the role of Pontius Pilate.
…. being promised something but the reality is really rather different.
“I think it’s time that Americans let them know not only that the motto and pledge are at the heart of our country but also that whitewashing God from the walls of history is actually an unfair promotion of atheism and an injustice to all that is America.”
Who cares what a Wimp like him thinks?
Ohhh, I get it. Mr Norris is silent only in his movies! And here I thought he didn’t know how to speak! His next step will be to make sense when he speaks . . .
Heh, does that mean he’s evolving?
Apparantly “Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.” I wish he would.
If I were you, I’d be careful what I say about Chuck Norris. There are reprecussions .
…but mostly concussions.
*holds up right fist* “Walker…” *holds up left fist* “meet Texas Ranger…”
:P
If he’d spent more time educating himself and less time acting in cheesy movies/TV shows he might not be making such an arse of himself.
But then we wouldn’t have all those wonderful Chuck Norris jokes…which, apparently, Chuck Norris believes to be immutable truths.
weren’t his 15 current minutes up after Huckabee lost the primary last year?
perhaps his “total gyms” aren’t selling so well right now?
I think Chuck has taken one too many kicks to the head.
Bruce Lee can’t you come back and kick his ass.
Seriously, I will go to his grave and call upon his spirit to haunt chuck norris forever.
There’s true irony in this, due to the fact that Bruce and Chuck were good friends while Bruce was still alive.
“Whitewashed”? Yeah, I don’t understand how a neutral looking wall that was already built without engraving becomes whitewashed when some people don’t want engraving additional (or subtractional, I suppose?) to it. Plus, he’s as old as my dad. That’s quite a notion.
Another good time for “The Ultimate Showdown”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgT9gy4zQA&feature=player_detailpage
Too many kicks to the head.
Yes, Chuck is wrong. You can tell him.
If anyone ends up making a (comedy) video rebuttal of Chucks pathetic, bigotted viewpoint, they should seriously consider using the clip from the end of ‘Dodgeball’ of Ben Stiller in a fat suit, saying “fucking Chuck Norris” at some point in it… just my two cents for what it’s worth (presumedly just over a penny given the current exchange rate, any takers?)
I think his actual blog is quite worth reading. He seems to know that the actual words “under god” were only added in the fifties, but insists that even before then we were a “Judeo-Christian Nation”. You know what? I’m okay with that. That means that you need to account for several things, though, Chuck. Just to name three which occured before the 1950s: slavery. imperialism/unlawful military action in- cuba, guatemala, nicaragua, panama, the philippines, argentina, hawaii, china, samoa, honduras, mexico, greece. genocide against native americans. Does the “Judeo-Christian Nation” want to be responsible for those things? I doubt it. It’s just a country, one like any other, with a history torn between dark and light, plenty of things to be proud of and plenty of things to mourn. I think that in thoroughly investigating the past, most people would be happier to look towards the present. And the present is undeniable: every race and color inhabits the USA, and to pretend it is a mono-religious nation is ridiculous.
Why oh why do we listen to actors (and not very good ones at that) who have nothing intelligent to say?? Chuck, be quiet now. Being a celebrity does not make one smarter, nor does it mean that one has ANYTHING useful to say about anything other than how terribly, terribly hard it is to be a celebrity. The poor things. Chuck, SSSHHH…
I’ve often wondered the same thing. I really couldn’t give a rat’s fat arse what Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Sean Penn, Matt Damon or Leonardo DiCaprio have to say about ANYTHING…and they’re allegedly “good” actors who are supposedly intelligent (I’m sorry, but I’m not convinced that Brad Pitt’s that smart). So imagine how I feel about Chuck Norris.
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Pledge history,
The pledge prior to adding under God, was also said while doing a nazi salute, so maybe the new pledge is better…
The Bellamy salute wasn’t *exactly* like the Nazi salute (for example, palms up instead of down)…but there is a serious resemblance.
If the “motto and pledge are at the heart of our country”, then why aren’t these things already in the capital? Why didn’t we create them at the founding of our nation? If our Founding Fathers were establishing this as “one nation, Under God” don’t you think that they would have placed that in our Constitution and required members of the original Congress to recite them at every meeting? Seriously, Chuck. The fact that these things are not already engraved in the Capitol Visitor Center is proof enough that they are not so central to our nation. Also, anyone who’s listened to the pledges and oaths that oppressive regimes force their populace to recite has to recognize the empty facade that these sorts of things are.
We are a nation of laws. Our guiding legal framework known as the Constitution does not establish any religious authority or stance, but rather leaves such matters open to individual discretion. And the fact that the The Treaty of Tripoli was passed in our nation’s infancy with the language that we are in no way a Christian Nation. These fellows weren’t a bunch of liberal athiests either (though they were liberals). These were the very founding fathers that ‘americavangelists’ like Chuck here love to use to prove that America IS a Christian Nation.
Except they were deists, rather than Christians for the most part. Which I find amusing.
yeah, there were a few Christian-ey types, but most of their personal theologies would be rejected by the very same people trying to use them as justification for their zealous nationalism.