Wow. Just wow.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann told the Washington Times that she and her family will not be fully filling out the 2010 census forms.
Bachmann, a Republican, said her family will only be indicating the number of people in the household, because “the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that.”
Bachmann believes the upcoming census to be “very intricate” and “very personal” and expresses concerns about ACORN’s involvement in the data collection. The community organizing program came under scrunity after charges of voter registration fraud during the 2008 presidential elections.
Some people are really paranoid. I hate paranoia.
Other Christians are following Rep. Dumbass’s example, so much that one popular Christian blogger has put out a plea for Christians to not falsify census information:
Some conservatives—for example, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, a professing evangelical—are suggesting that people not fill out the Census coming in the mail, or at least not to answer certain questions (e.g., on your race). Others are suggesting that some answers be falsified (e.g., checking “Native American” because you were born in America).
The reason is that the government will use racial information for purposes of reapportioning congressional seats as a result (which is true).
But even if you don’t like how this information will be used, Christians in particular should remember that it’s a violation of federal law to leave answers blank or to provide false answers. Even if you think the law is crummy, it does not require you to break any Scriptural laws, and therefore it would be a violation of Scripture to break this law. [...]
It sounds as if you could actually be fined $5,000 if you refuse or deliberately falsify all the questions.
Batshit Fucking Crazy people… And that’s too kind an assessment of them really…
“It sounds as if you could actually be fined $5,000 if you refuse or deliberately falsify all the questions”
The total fine should be adjusted for wealth level of batshit insanity. $5000 won’t teach her much.
“(e.g., checking “Native American” because you were born in America)”
hahahahaha gold. pure gold
Incredibly insulting to Native Americans that idiots like that claim to be members of their race, though – as well as overtly racist because she completely ignores people who actually are Native American! How should they falsify their census in order to make it look like they’re not trying to?
I think bachman & her ilk are too stupid to know that the Native Americans were here first. That’s why they are the “native americans”. Truly, idiocy reigns supreme.
I think it’s unjustified snark more than idiocy. In any other context, we call a person born in a particular country a “native” of that country. A more appropriate technical term for Native Americans would be “aboriginal”. I don’t they are at all confused about the matter, just being snarky about the odd category name.
Yeah terms are funny things. In canada they call themselves “First Nations” because they were here first. Or Aboriginal (not Aborigine, like in Australia). Takes away the confusion.
Grow Up
We knew this was coming.
Where’s all their “god & country” mantras now? All they ever scream is “this is our country, you don’t like it, you can leave!”
Until it doesn’t go their way. This is mental capacity of a 2 yo old.
Patriotic my ass.
People of this ilk are incapable of introspection or taking a moral inventory of their lives. Their hypocrisy is maddening. Their level cognitive dissonance is shocking.
I’d actually be glad if conservative, rural, Christians refuse to fill out the Census. Hey, less red state seats in congress and more federal funding for us!
Yep. And hopefully, they’d be fined and/or jailed for refusing to fill it out. (But it’s not likely to happen… unfortunately.)
Unfortunately, I live in a “red state” and if the conservative Xtians refused to fill out the census, we’d be totally and royally screwed.
The Census consists of only 10 questions. Under Federal law all citizens are required to answer the questions. Failure to answer can subject a person to a fine of $100 (in some cases, perhaps $100 per unanswered question), and answering falsely can subject a person to a fine of $500 (in some cases, perhaps $500 per falsely answered question).
While I object in principle to the government wanting to know things about me that aren’t mandated by the Constitution, I’ll wait and see what the questions are before deciding what questions I may or may not answer.
For me, it’s obviously not a religious issue. Rather, it’s an issue of freedom and liberty from government intrusion into my privacy – an issue as relevant today as it was in the time of the founding fathers, if not more so.
Your answers are used anonymously and only for statistical purposes. So unless you think the census bureau are lying about this, then the information you provide isn’t personally traceable to you or any other person. Nobody will ever know any of the specific details you provide.
So do you think your objection grounded in intrusion of privacy is reasonable?
The information has been abused before. Census data as used during WWII to identify people of Japanese origin to round them up in camps. As recently as 1980 the FBI has attempted to subpoena census records.
Aha, I didn’t know that.
For Bachman everything is a religion issue.
In our highly technical world, almost any info someone wants on you, they can get. I don’t think a 10 pg questionaire on basic household information rises to level of government intrusion. But fear the bogey man if you must.
I despise government intrusion into my business too. I also have a good grip on reality.
It’s amazing the paranoid attitudes from the same people who have no problem keeping a wallet full of grocery store cards and banks cards. It’s ok for private information to be shared publicly and sold to the highest bidder how often and what type of toilet paper you use, yet when Uncle Sam ask, with his laws of confidentiality, he becomes the bad guy? News flash……the bad guy doesn’t have to ask he already has it. You must live in a world where the thief comes knocking on the door and asks to rob you. Which smoke signals have you been watching?
I totally agree with your sentiment, merry. I am always skeptical when it comes to privacy issues and the abuse of info by the govt. I most likely will do the survey without a problem, but I think every citizen should at times question what our government does instead of blindly trusting and following what our ‘leaders’ do.But thats me, Libertarian to the core.
PS I even work in a state agency :p
I even work in a state agency
That can make it worse; familiarity breeds contempt, I believe the saying goes. For example, I used to like cops on principle, until I got to know a few. Now I’m a bit more circumspect (though I still know one or two who are real stand-up good guys).
The census is mandated by the constitution:
In Article 1, Section 2, the Constitution includes the phrase:
[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
Congress first met in 1789, and the first national census was held in 1790.
She seems to have backed down and is supporting the census: http://www.startribune.com/blogs/86278622.html
I love the spin:
Yes, the fine is $100 for not answering a question. Two people have been fined under the law, and it was in 1967. I intend to correctly say how many people live in the household. The rest, including my name, race, income, whatever, the government either already knows and can look it up, or has no business knowing.
Government policies target specific demographics. To do that, they need to know what the demographics actually are.
For example, if they budget for a care of the elderly program, but there are half a million more old folks than they thought because people faked of ignored their census, then that program will go bust.
Paranoia about government is all very well, but on something as genuinly beneficial to the population as the census? Just another Reichpublitard encouraging people to vote against their own interests.
What I’m about to say pains me.
A lot.
Bachmann, for once, and for all the wrong reasons, has a point. The Decennial Census was intended for one and only one reason: for redistributing congressional seats based on population changes. The government is entitled to count the whole number of persons in each district and redraw the lines accordingly, and constitutionally their right to poke around and collect facts ends there.
Now, it may seem strange and paranoid and one might question what harm could come from the government collecting additional data. Well, there have been actual abuses before, with law enforcement or military agencies using the collected information to round people up or harass them. Also, it isn’t so simple as to say that some programs are apportioned on the basis of demographic groups, since many of those programs are highly controversial. For example, the US uses race data in the census to construct what are called majority-minority districts, which ostensibly make it easier for minority candidates to get elected. The practice is for some tantamount to institutional racism, and I wouldn’t look askance at anyone who for legitimate reasons of conscience did not wish to abet that practice.
Of course, it is easy to doubt that Bachmann of all people has anything close to an actual coherent thought on any of this, and likely is just doing her crazy routine.
I think that all this fear of the government shows that we the people aren’t doing our job as citizens. If we assume that the government is out to inconvenience us then shame on us for not doing actual proactive things about it. The government should be afraid of us.
Look! Christian boogeymen everywhere!
I get that many Christians are hard core conservatives unwilling to fill out the census in year where Democrats run just about everything at the Federal level, but was the broad brush here really necessary? Would you really say that there no conservative atheists unwilling to fill out the census, or is it just more convenient to assume that the entire conservative landscape is one filled only with Christians?
The issue raised here is that Christians are the ones massing against the census even though doing so violates their own tenants. It’s just pointing out their hypocrisy once again.
I’d be willing to bet money that a sizeable majority of Republicans / Conservatives / Tea Baggers are also Christian.
A sizable majority of Democrats are Christian, too.
Clearly they aren’t REAL Christians then.
Hi John,
Christians are “massing” against the census? I was just on cnn.com and saw nothing about this on the home page. You’ll also note that this post cites a Washington Times article…which isn’t exactly the largest newspaper in the U.S., let alone a particularly influential one outside of conservative circles.
That we’re talking about a newspaper which is seen to be mainly only influential in conservative circles is kind of the point. I’m not saying all Christians, I’m saying the people involved in this rebellion against this census are largely Christian, which makes them hypocrites, which is the point of the original post. They’re not boogeymen, they’re just not able to understand their own rules, which is far from rare.
..and it’s not even prominently displayed on CBS news home page either….
It is against the law, specifically section 221 of the US Code, to refuse to respond to the Census or to provide answers that are anything less than truthful.
I find it utterly astonishing that a sitting US Congresswoman actually incited people to violate federal law … and moreover that — aside from a little snickering about it — no one in either party has so much as lifted a finger to call her to account for it. She should, at the very least, have been censured, or reprimanded in some other way. Inciting criminality is not acceptable in a US lawmaker … or at least, it ought not to be. Then again, lawmakers often treat the law as fungible anyway, so we can hardly expect them to live up to the letter of the laws they write and approve.
It might have a little to do with the law being crap an would likely not survive challenge in a court. Which ostensibly is why you never hear of people actually being charged on it even though there are plenty of refusniks.
I agree, though I would add that for someone to come out against her would just pour gasoline on the issue, and she could cry persecution.
Augh my gawd. This is stupid. Why do people like these ALWAYS have to have something to resist? It seems like they are getting desperate for things to oppose if they are refusing to fill out something as harmless as a census. I bet if I showed my roomies about this (they refused to be vaccinated for H1N1 and now things that all vaccines are evil) they would agree 100% in the blink of an eye without even so much as a query as to why. Their reasoning: the government is out to get them!
When it comes to power and those who hold it, it’s probably better to be skeptical and be wrong than to be trusting and be wrong. Now, honestly I don’t think Bachmann et al. are being principled or serious, and they are likely just doing this shtick for political points, but that doesn’t mean that when the government says “we want to do X” it is a bad impulse to say “justify X rigorously, or the answer is no“.
That pink gun is so cute–and so feminine!
Part of me wants the conservative christian rednecks to not fill out the census. That way, the congressional influence of states like Oklahoma and Mississippi will diminish in proportion to places like New York and California.
This is coming from and Oklahoma resident, by the way. I hate my congressmen, and I’d do anything to relieve them of power.
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Jeez. “You, sir, are and idiot,” amirite?
Are christians suprised when people think they are stupid?? Really? They all seem like sheep – if a politician or public figure claims to be christian, christians will follow that person into a burning house (Bachman, Palin, Bush). We are supposed to have a respectful relationship with christians, right? How in the hell are we supposed to RESPECT these kinds of people????
There are plenty of moderate and liberal Christians who wouldn’t give those folks the time of day. Like I said to JonJon the other day, the problem is these sane ones are far less visible than the crazy righties, and it is partially their fault for not being more visible.
I know you’re right, because the christians I grew up with (crazy fundies that they are) would not be this insane. There seems to be a unique brand of “stupid christians” that have multiplied and populated the earth, and it seems we may be overrun. Almost like locusts or something.
Almost like locusts or something.
ROFL!
Wow, this site is a joke! Seriously, I cannot believe people would so blindly believe everything they read…talk about not so smart. Seriously. Then I looked a little further and realized how “anti-christian” this site is. Big Wonder. Read Luke 21:28 and maybe even the whole chapter. Might open your eyes a little. Oh, I know, you don’t believe all that “stuff.” It’s okay, the Truth is the Truth whether or not you believe it or not. Philippians 2:9-11 I’m feeling really bad for you guys..please read The Book!
Lol, Melvis! I cannot believe you would blindly believe everything you read in Luke 21:28 and Philippians 2:9-11!! You are the joke. The truth is the truth, after all. Swallow now.
Let me guess you had the same reaction when you found out the Colbert Report wasn’t actually supporting far right wing republicans.
WHAAA????? C’mon, I really thought Colbert would follow in Beck’s footsteps! Minus the crying. Damn liberal media, confusing me again….
Uh, Melvis. Read further. You will discover that bible verses are, well, shall we say, “unconvincing” to most of us here. Been there, done that, read that, had that shoved down respective throats all our respective lives. And so on. You’ll need to go beyond that and think for yourself on this site.
Melvis wrote: “I cannot believe people would so blindly believe everything they read…”
Hemhem. BWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! TEH IRONY!!!! IT BURNZ!!!! IT BURNZ!!!!!!
Okay, now that the laugther is out of my system:
Melvis, we DON’T blindly believe what we read. We’re atheists – we rely on what’s true and factual. It is YOU who believes everything he reads, provided that thing is the Bible.
You’re a hypocrite and you’re too stupid to even know it.
I’m not sure whether Melvis is stupid – he or she may just be blinded and brainwashed – the narrow tunnel vision that is evangelical christianity. I’ve been there, and I wasn’t stupid. Just misguided. It think someone is stupid when they have proven themselves to be uninformed, incapable of learning or growing, and flaunts their ignorance (see “Sarah Palin”). If Melvis is on this site, maybe he or she wants to learn and grow (?) We’ll see…..
I’d love to think you’re right Janet, but I still see the likes of John C and Corey posting their randomness and ignorance (respectively) here while showing no signs of reading comprehension themselves – so I’m not hopeful!
Yeah, best not to get too worked up about drive-by trolls. Let one person post a sufficiently caustic response and then let it be.
The live trolls are the fun ones.
Drive-by trolls – LMAO
Glad you like, but it’s definitely not an expression coined by moi. :-)
Who ever said Melvis actually read the bible? Looks like he is another of those that considers hearing some preacher counts as reading the bible.
…please read The Book!
Dude, I’d rather read Twilight.
Or Robert Munsch. Or Sam Harris. Or Richard Dawkins. Or George Orwell. Or Patricia Cornwell. Or Dr. Suess. Bottom line – almost anything else is more informative and even the fiction novels seem to carry more truth.
This was posted to Cynical-C today and thought it appropriate for the discussion:
http://www.cynical-c.com/?p=16808
Video called “Just a Book”.
Actually, if you’d actually READ the book, you’d find more drama and stuff in there than in all of your fiction. Clearly none of you has. That’s cool. I KNOW the Truth and is HAS set me free. I know Christ and I KNOW He’s returning one day (very soon). Laugh, if you must. Doesn’t bother me a bit. Like I said, I feel very sorry for you, because one day, you will all bow your knees. Yes, I hear the laughter, and it’s okay. There are NO atheists in hell. Mark my words. Again, I feel sorry for you, that’s all. And, I WAS you at one time, so I KNOW how lost you all are. Just feel sad for you and hope one day your eyes are opened. That’s all. Your words do nothing to me. Jesus hung on a cross and was spit upon and beaten, etc. And of course killed. And He still forgave. Oh, that’s right, you don’t believe all of that. Well, hopefully one day, before it’s too late, because it will be “the end of the world as you know it” for all of us…I hope you guys get it all figured out…
I’ll go ahead and mark your words, Melvis. When it doesn’t happen, then I can laugh at you, yes?
Tsk. I think you’ll find that a majority of the posters here have indeed read the Bible. It didn’t magically transform us into believers and it is in fact one of the reasons why we don’t believe.
As for your sanctimonious attitude and pity and shallow emotional appeals, we’ve heard it all before and it’s no more persuasive the thosandth time. At most, they serve to antagonize us further towards you. As does your martyr complex. If you want to save people you should go elsewhere, because here posts such as yours’ll just turn more people away from Christianity.
Nope, don’t expect you to get saved and seriously doubt that any of you have read the Bible. That’s pretty clear by the “crap” that you “quote.” But it’s cool. Laugh, ridicule, etc. I know the real deal and one day so will you. I just feel sorry for you, that’s all. And yes, it’s sincere, because, I WAS you before. TOTALLY and COMPLETELY. And, FYI, you were ALREADY turned away from Christianity…that was clear from the moment I logged onto this site. but you can blame me and everyone else, that’s fine, I don’t have a problem with it. I see that that is what you do; you are angry, etc. I’m sorry that someone hurt you. I was hurt by church and so-called Christians too. Been there, done that. I know your story man. I got it. And it’s all good; I still hope and pray your eyes are opened. You can’t stop me from praying for you, no matter how hard you try, how angry you get or how many names you call me. Sorry, won’t happen.
Very poor evangelism, all around.
You can’t stop me from praying for you, no matter how hard you try, how angry you get or how many names you call me. Sorry, won’t happen.
Nobody’s trying to stop you.
THE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN’T MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT MORE CONVINCING.
You presume too much. According to you the reason I don’t believe must be because I was somehow hurt by the church or by Christians or I must be full of anger or for some other reason. There must be something wrong with me somehow.
None of that is true. I simply happen to think, after having looked into the matter, that Christianity, and the Bible in particular, are superfluous nonsense which I can’t believe is true.
You know nothing about my life story, but still you insist on putting me and everyone else into your preconceived little boxes. However, reality is more complex than your silly, ignorant stereotypes.
trj it is easy to understand why many christians say you can only be an atheist if you are angry at god or the church. Since they reject any possibility of being wrong they can’t understand how others can see themselves as being wrong about their beliefs in god. They have locked themselves in a box and can’t get themselves out of that box for fear.
Yep, since they KNOW their belief to be true there must obviously be something wrong with those who choose not to believe. They must be blind or angry or prideful or emotionally scarred or something, because any unbiased mind would obviously accept Jesus.
If only they would read the Bible so they could understand! Well, I read it and I saw a whole lot of obvious myths, inconsistencies, and cruelty, mixed with some nicer, more humane parts, none of which were original in any way.
It gets even better if you read the book written in it’s original Klingon.
Oy. I wouldn’t go that far! <retch>
Then again, we know Twilight is of the devil.
A few years ago I dressed up as Michelle Bachmann for Halloween, shaking hands and introducing myself as her – “A vote for me is a vote for Jesus.” Huge hit among fellow Minnesotans – to the point of one party hiring a hit man to knock her/me off. The anger and frustration people took out on her/me was very enlightening. She even inspired the name for my blog… the Hot-For-Jesus part.
The drama about the Census is a little confusing, though once upon a time I would have totally supported her paranoid skepticism – because that’s what fundies do. Now – I just don’t get it – basically she is asking that other Christians NOT be counted. But this is so typical – government shouldn’t know where you live so they won’t persecute you – but feel free to count how many people come in the church doors and slap it up on the wall. She is shooting herself and her christian conservative cause in the foot – because how can the government even acknowledge conservative Christians exist if they have no record of them? Won’t this potentially mess up her ability to get a more jacked up district than she already has?
Who was it in the old testament that was punished for counting the people of Israel? David? Solomon? I’m going to have to take a refresher course.
It was David. God killed 70,000 people in a fit of rage because David carried out a census which God himself had ordered him to do (2 Sam 24:1). Although 1 Chr 21:1 says that it was actually Satan that made David do it.
It’s one of those Biblical stories which is both completely inconsistent and makes absolutely no sense. A true WTF gem.
This looks like a “how-to” manual of how to create mental illness, or a sense that you must be crazy. Imagine believing in this stuff, literally…
In fact there are a couple of other outright inconsistencies between 2 Sam and 1 Chr in addition to the one I mentioned. Then there’s the more serious contradiction: In 1 Kings 15:5 we learn that David always did what was right in the eyes of the Lord (well, except for the matter of Uriah the Hittite, it says, but this is a later amendment not found in the Septuagint). Yet, in 2 Sam. David proclaims that he has sinned, and God certainly appears to agree. Whatever it was David did wrong, he did something which absolutely wasn’t right in the eyes of the Lord.
Not to mention that God appears to act a tad, shall we say, unfair. God kills 70,000 people because of something that David did – which, by the way, God ordered him to do in the first place. 70,000 innocent victims killed over something they had nothing to do with and which appears to be some trivial matter anyway. Isn’t God supposed to be just?
That whole story is a complete mess.
And reasonably intelligent christians have to twist themselves into pretzels to rationalize it. Poor them.
Unlike the ignorant fundies who do not have to twist themselves. They just say “if it’s in the bible, it’s true, that settles it.” No rationalization needed.
Aaahhhhh, yes. To be able to “not think”. It does carry a certain appeal, doncha agree? “We don’t fully understand the mysteries of god”, “how great thou art to save a wretch like me” (from what???)
Why think when the pastor can do all the thinking. And all the yelling.
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trj – Thanks for the addresses! As I dig out my trusty rusty New American Standard – I recall this story. My parents actually withdrew their membership from the Southern Baptists at one point because of this OT story – and because of how obsessed SBs were with counting people. I’m trying to remember the greater context – my bible is playing hide and seek on me – but wasn’t there Pride involved? Didn’t David have a serious problem with Pride – and God was trying to teach him a lesson of non-attachment? (i loving using buddhist terms to discuss christianity/judaism)
oops that was supposed to be threaded below the appropriate thread – better luck next time.
Well, it seems to me the story is missing some important subtext. There’s really no reason at all for God to freak out like that, especially since David was just doing what God told him to do.
Pride could be one possible explanation, but it’s a feeble one, and it doesn’t resolve the obvious contradictions in the story. Also, God killing 70,000+ innocent people (and getting close to wiping out Jerusalem entirely) due to one man’s pride or whatever other kind of personal failure David may have had? That’s messed up.
My personal guess is that there was some serious error in the editing process of the Bible, where two or more stories got intermingled and/or some context was lost. Really I’m just guessing, but I just don’t see how apologetic maneuvers can resolve this mess in any sensible way.
“My personal guess is that there was some serious error in the editing process of the Bible, where two or more stories got intermingled and/or some context was lost.”
Actually, ^^^that-there^^^ explains most of the Bible.
You atheists can all go clusterhump yourselves…. what a bunch of d-bags.
Oh…. you don’t question the authenticity of quotes by Homer or others that can only be attributable to the author withing 300 years, but you doubt the multitudes of witnesses to Christ’s miracles that can get as close as about 50 years? hahaha…. you guys need to educate yourselves. Read: The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. I DARE you…. but I know you won’t, because you’re too bent on babbling your historical ignorance rather than actually researching the possibility that there actually might have been a Christ, that indeed did perform miracles before thousands of witnesses… and that the stories were indeed true….
Again – “The Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel….. this guy started out as an atheist who decided to disprove Christ as the Son of God…. he was a journalist at the Chicago Tribune… and by the end of his investigative research, discovered that there was no way that Christ wasn’t truly the Son of God, died on the cross, and rose again to save those that believe. He’s now a Christian. Go ahead…. I dare you… read it if you actually have an open mind to the truth….or don’t if you just like living in your self-made mental cellblock of bitterness.
I’ve read it, it’s terrible, have you? He only interviews one side.
It’s one thing to claim there are a significant number of sources proving Jesus existed – which there are not, as almost all of them don’t refer specifically to a person called Jesus Christ but only to how other people were following someone called Christ. Not the same thing at all.
It’s quite another thing to be able to find sources that prove Jesus was really the son of God. If Strobel can do that it’s pretty goddamned impressive. I somehow doubt it.
And by “people were following Christ” I meant they were worshipping Christ, in the same way as people do today.
And there are a multitude of writers from the era of Jesus that should have made mention of him, considering all the miracles etc., but he is not mentioned at all. In fact, there is very little evidence of the existence of such a person, and even less evidence that said person was magic. If these things had happened, it would have been huge news – all over – it’s funny, how little (other than the bible) there really is.
The very last verse in the Gospel of John says: “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
Kind of strange that we have no record of these events that were so numerous and so important they could not be contained by all the books in the world.
Another situation where lack of evidence would seem to point to lack of existence.
Oh…. you don’t question the authenticity of quotes by Homer or others that can only be attributable to the author withing 300 years,
Uh, we don’t? … the hell?
Show me a scholar who thinks that the Illiad is actual history. No, seriously, I want to meet them. Based loosely on a historical war perhaps, but an actual history? Even further, enough of a sober history that we can accept the quotes as accurate depictions of what was actually said? Any historian that argues that is stone drunk or insane.
And, of course, there are a large number of historians arguing that there never was a Trojan war. The archeology seems to be against it, since the city of Troy didn’t seem to be large enough. And of course many people argue that there never really was a Homer, just a string of anonymous bards.
So, really, show me someone who argues that the ancient Greek epics contain accurate historical records of conversations.
“You atheists can all go clusterhump yourselves…. what a bunch of d-bags.”
Meh, go fondle a priest, it will take time away that they spend with little boys.
He’ll probably like it anyway.
Love it – can’t muster a solid argument (because you don’t have any), so drive by troll instead :-)
Yes, but at least we get to witness first hand the love of the lord embodied in his people.
That’s why atheism is more honest than Christianity. Many Christians will smile falsely and tell you that “God loves you” or even that they themselves love you, when the reality is that they’re seething with anger and secretly wondering why God doesn’t smite you (and hoping that he does, of course).
Now me, if I think somebody’s a goat-fucking genital-wart licker, I just tell them so. No repressed anger, no cognitive disonence, just a cathartic loss of temper.
ok, just so you guys know,,,,i answered up above. please take a look…
People, seriously, as I read your comments further, it’s clear that you let others do your thinking for you. Get a life. If you really did the research and searched the Scriptures YOURSELVES instead of relying on what so and so told you and yada yada yada, then you might get a clue. C’mon. My dad was a Methodist preacher when I was a kid and until I reasearched and searched out the Scripture FOR MYSELF…I was on my way straight to HELL. You are ALL basing EVERYTHING here on what OTHERS have told you. And not on true research. It’s painfully obvious. Go ahead and state otherwise, it’s okay. I know otherwise; It’s perfectly clear to me because I was YOU about 13 years ago – TOTALLY and COMPLETELY and I explained it all away myself. You can be all high and mighty and self-righteous and so smart and all that “crap”, but the truth is, you are as lost as can be. I just pray that your eyes are opened and you can see the Truth. As I stated up above….the Truth is the Truth whether you want to believe it or not and Jesus IS returning soon and EVERY knee WILL bow. Yes, laugh if you must. There is NO laughter in hell, nor is there any atheists. Just hope you can get a clue before that time…and your comments don’t hurt me one bit. Whatever; you are only hurting yourselves. And that’s just sad.
Dear Melvis,
I, for one, appreciate your concern. Once upon a time – for quite a long time – I truly Believed. Born-again, baptized – very excited about heaven. I was willing to live, suffer, die and be scoffed at for Christ. I want you to know, I – for one – no longer feel the need for immortality. I’m not afraid to Die. I’m not afraid to Live. I am not Afraid. I no longer Believe that Jesus was God’s son come to earth to save us from eternal suffering upon death. I recommend you go elsewhere – because here you will be casting your pearls before swine. There are people out there who will be much more receptive to your fervor and message. Yes – I deny Christ. I don’t deny the love I had for him – I will never deny his wisdom – but I do deny that he is a god or God. Just as your heart is heavy for the likes of us – my heart aches for you. The ache in my heart does not come from the devil, does not come from angels, does not come from God, does not come from anywhere but the fact that I am Human… and it hurts me to see others hurt and fear and spread fear. If you believe – this is the message to you: I deny Christ – we deny Christ – your work here is done – go elsewhere – God will not punish you for your inability to turn us towards his eternal love. And I say this in entire sincerity – Thank you for caring. Go in peace.
He Hit Me (and It Felt Like a Kiss)
!!!!!!?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So apropos.
Then we’re safe?
Otherwise, whatever. We’ll see when we die. I’d rather not bow to a tyrant, k? K.
You’ll pray we become believers. No surprise there.
But actually I thought you Christians considered that free will thing to be important? Apparently not, since you’re asking God to influence my faith.
Melvis is sad, y’all. This must be the first time a godbot/follower of a Jewish zombie has ever expressed concern and sadness on this blog. Whatever shall we atheists do?
“until I reasearched and searched out the Scripture FOR MYSELF…I was on my way straight to HELL.”
Dearest Melvis, funny thing but when I stopped listening to other people (ie the preacher) and researched the scriptures for myself…….I realized there is no hell, no magical sky-daddy. Prior to that, I believed in all my heart I was saved by grace, baptized and on my way to heaven.
As much as I want to say to move on now, part of me wants you to stick around because I do find humor is your delusional rants.
I don’t think you were ever ME, Melvis. I was raised by a fundamentalist christian pastor, and went to church twice a week until I was 18 years old. On top of that, there was sunday school, nightly devotions, prayer meetings, bible studies, youth groups, bible memorizations….I’m getting post-traumatic stress writing this, but if you think I don’t know the bible you are quite mistaken. However, I will say that it was when I became hungry for truth, and started reading the bible very seriously, that doubt crept in – this led to the dam breaking and resulted in my realization that the entire thing was an enormous hoax. You will get further on this blog if you don’t judge or assume things about us. I’ve noticed that most of the people here are very intelligent and well-read.
So anyone have an idea when this clusterhump is supposed to happen? I want to mark it on my calendar.
I think its supposed to happen when jesus comes back. He cant resist a good cluster hump.
As long as I’m not in the middle, I’m in. Don’t want to be the pivot man.
I thought it was this coming Thursday at 2:48 p.m. Central Standard Time, but that’s just a guess.
Wait a minute, is that what it sounds like? Is Melvis one of those “swinging” christians, with orgy’s ‘n stuff?
When did it become stupid to have faith? Not all Christians are bible thumping evangelist and do not always believe the Bible word for word. But I do believe that talking down on an entire group of people is wrong and probably wouldn’t be happening as often if people held onto their faith and beliefs. If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.