“The media wants you to believe that tea party patriots are toothless hillbillies,” said Bachmann, who instead cast the tea partiers as intelligent, educated and professional people. “This is a very sophisticated crowd. And then these charges from Democrats that they were spit upon, that there were racial epithets — there’s no one who saw anything.”
from “Bachmann: ’100% Of Our Economy Was Private’ Before September 2008“
Riiiiiiiiiight.
This woman makes my teeth hurt.
Normally I would call this woman one of the dumbest people on the planet. But no, I think that honor is reserved for those who continue to vote for her.
I’m beginning to understand why fundie Christians and the loonie Right have such an attraction for one another, despite the biblical description of Jeebus as a radical left-wing progressive. Both groups suffer similar dislocations from anything a sane person would call reality, existing instead in this faery fantasy land of delusion that the world is as they WISH it to be, rather than how it is.
For crying out loud… Be ashamed that she’s electable in your nation. I mean it.
Minnesota has about as much in common with Rhode Island as Caprica has with Buck Rogers. Sure, same genre, but *everything else* is different. People from tiny countries wouldn’t understand…
Wouldn’t understand? Try sharing this small island with the Scots and the Welsh….
I saw a fantastic poster once (bear in mind I’m an Englishman living in Wales) which said:
God turned to Gabriel and said “I have decided to create a nation of incredible beauty and diversity, with huge glacial lakes, rolling green hills, leafy forests, lonely moors, grassy plains, sandy beaches and rugged coastlines, and I shall call this nation England”.
Gabriel replied “Why do the people of England deserve such high blessings, Lord?”
And God replied “It’s to make up for the neighbors I’m giving them…”
As a Scot I take great exception to this…
You still got a raw deal.
@ ‘Nope: I hear what you’re saying, but turn your criticism around and ask yourself if the fault is not that your nation is too large. You have dimwit hicks forming policy that effects educated sophisticates, all because of your United States.
I don’t know if this is something we can help. Here’s my theory — people in rural areas tend to be more conservative, whereas people in cities tend to be more liberal.
We have a lot of space and lots of rural areas. Many of the more liberal nations are much smaller, and thus have more people packed in per square meter.
These rural places take much longer to change. That’s why there is still blatant racism in some of those hick towns. They do progress… but much slower.
“The media wants you to believe that tea party patriots are toothless hillbillies,”
Of course they are not. They have the money to get their teeth fixed, unlike most of the US.
(Sorry, still bitter about the health care arguments.)
Even us socialised Brits can’t afford that!
I also think if my memory serves she was the Congresswoman who tried to make out with Bush after a State of the Union.
He comments make Glenn Beck seem sane at times
has no one sent her any of the youtube footage of the tea partiers being nasty?
ugh
News flash! I was just suspended from the tea party patriots because I guess I was bothering them with my questions about their core beliefs. You know things are really bad in the economy when a poor smuck like me gets fired by the tea party. I didn’t even ask for a pay raise!
You have to remember that she only gets her news from Faux and other approved conservative news outlet. I wouldn’t be surprised to find she has no idea what youtube is.
I am surprised you could make a distinction between Fox News and Michele Bachmann.
This is pretty much the opposite of the truth. The media actually gives the teabaggers WAY more respect than they deserve.
Wasn’t this stuff aired all over the news (outside of Fox)? To say nobody saw anything just seems either purposely ridiculous or insane.
I’m sure she heard it all, it’s just that in the disturbed reality she live in we’re back in the 14th century where there nothing wrong with being a racist and where trowing rocks through windows and making repeated reference to use of violence to get your way is not threatening.
Die. In a fire.
There’s no reason to want her to die. It’s perfectly reasonable to not want her to have political power, but to die? That’s a really terrible thing to say.
Agreed, and it just makes us look as bad as the slathering hounds baying for Stupak’s blood.
Thanks Dan.
Agree with Roger. You guys “pray” your way, I’ll pray mine.
dangit, if you’d said diaf you could have slipped through.
Maybe just a curable, but expensive, disease and then have the insurance company refuse coverage.
the very red district in Minn. that keeps voting this waste of H20 into office need to really, really rethink their own sanity.
of course, the Stewarts/Colberts/etc… of this world will mourn the day she either retires or gets voted out of office
The voice of Ameristan is not the voice of “God”
• Tea Baggers dwell in a diseased state of mind which I call “Ameristan.”
But Ameristan is more than a state of mind. It is home to the “folks” from whom our xian Taliban are recruited. These are the racist, pro-natalist and anti-gay fanatics — who want to restore biblical misogyny and theistic paternalism by harassment, intimidation, or murder. They are members of Congress (“C” Street Family) who want a puritanical theocracy (dominionism) to supplant a secular open society.
• Most Americans don’t live in Ameristan.
They have almost no direct acquaintance with preaching as theatre of the absurd: perverting the public record, faith-based lying, howling illogic, murderous threats that get uttered and acted on.
To the thugs of Ameristan their violence is always defensive, is always to avenge the innocent, is always righteous action in support of traditional values, is always glorified as a final, desperate response against overwhelming outside forces — they are grandstanding lifestyle martyrs projecting their innermost delusions onto those they hate.
• Inverted snobbery is the voice of Ameristan —
The know-nothings exalt in negation. The xian’s innermost affirmation arises from self-hatred (conviction of sinfulness) inverted into boundless ego inflation — I stink, but stinking is godly:
Paul of Tarsus (fl 50-65 CE) is a self-loathing anarchist whose god is himself writ large:
Brothers [sic], think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are…. 1Cor1:26-28 NIV
God chose “the things that are not — to nullify the things that are….” Here pure xian nihilism gets injected into the marrow of western culture, poisoning it down to today.
The de-deification of western culture is our task for the next 100 years.
‘The de-deification of western culture is our task for the next 100 years’
Would be a tragedy to come to the end of one’s life only to realize that you’d spent all your days and breath on a fruitless, impossible, vain and severely misguided initiative. What a sad waste of potential, of life though he ‘thinks’ for now he is doing something productive.
The mind makes for a wonderful servant but a terrible master.
Metanoia, not ‘religion’.
Would indeed be a tragedy – but all those who have wasted their lives believing in ceiling cat will never reach that realisation.
On the flip side it would also be a terrible shame to have wasted one’s relatively brief life in fear and servitude to a being that ends up not existing. All that time that could have been spent having fun and enjoying what life has to offer (note – this isn’t the same as raw hedonism or lacking morality) instead of talking to oneself and reading a horrendously ill-written bronze age book looking for answers to today’s problems.
Either way, there’s something to lose. Now, we can play Pascal’s Wager here and say “but there’s so much MORE to lose if you don’t believe in god – your soul” but I would argue that a) our souls are not our own property and never were, under the scheme set up by god, and b) I have no desire to be anywhere near a god who is willing to send even one soul to eternal torment or kick them out of bliss for using the brain he gave them and coming to the wrong conclusion in what amounts to a celestial toss of the coin.
Unfortunately, the ‘brain he gave them’ is not the one we have now. The one we have now, the adult, carnal mind is actually at enmity, is opposed to ‘God’ and to our own best interests and true selves. Man is at odds with himself, is his own worst enemy though is completely unaware. That’s why I used the term ‘metanoia’ which is the original greek for ‘repent’ (doesn’t mean to stop sinning) but rather to have a completely new mind, to think differently, to be renewed in the spirit of one’s mind since a man will always behave like the person he ‘thinks’ he is. Who do you ‘think’ you are JWM?
The renewed mind is washed and purified from the filth and corruption we see now which is the same mind (Christ’s) that mankind had in the beginning, before the ‘disruption’ of fellowship in purity, in childlike innocence.
Your post disputing the wisdom of a life consecrated unto God portended to a religious (external, behavior modification) association with Christ, ie church, rules, rituals, holy books, etc. You are fighting against a thing you don’t (yet) understand.
John, do you even realise that nobody reads your posts past the first sentence?
Yooz in Amerika now Custy ha, so yooz gotz to spell it lak it izz…’realiZe’, with a ‘Z’ not an ‘S’ enuffa dat Brit’ville spellyn nonsense k? :)
j/k Custy, love ya man, yooz alright with me~now go save somebody’s life today Mr. medical man would ya, could ya? (sorry, I’ve had way too much coffee this morning!)
…And nowhere near enough Haliperidol…
I did, actually, though the first sentence was bad enough.
Once more you make assumptions about the other party and spray forth meaningless buzzwords and key phrases drilled into you (and then claim it’s “not religion”).
I am not solely disputing a religious life. I am disputing hitching your wagon to god in any form, in the hope that if you spend your life trying to think and live in ways that are entirely alien and unnatural and unreasonable to expect of a human being or spend your life just talking to yourself and calling it “a personal relationship” and allowing that to colour your actions and choices rather than just living life as yourself, you will be rewarded and not punished for having taken this entirely blind leap of faith. It is a ludicrous proposition.
Also, you presume that I do not understand what you are talking about. While much of the stuff you use is frankly guff, I do know what you talk about with the whole idea of a personal relationship with god/christ/whoever. I went through that stage, and I have been through the dogmatic religious stage, and I have tried to tell myself that god is there if you just listen and open your mind and change your way of thinking. I just realised it doesn’t work, and I realised that to expect any person to go through these mental contortions to avoid suffering in the next world makes such a god a truly evil, egomaniac entity.
Besides, the thing you call the adult carnal brain WAS given to us by god. It’s not our fault the software is faulty and as we get older we start to think in a certain manner, start to notice boobs and butts and genitals, start to notice that god doesn’t appear to be active in the world at all, start to notice that arguments for god are full of holes and fallacies… If god made us, god is responsible for us. He can’t just say “warranty’s over, too late, if you think in a manner I don’t like from now on you’re screwed”. That is, again, just evil. If such a god exists, he’s set the rules of the game in opposition to how he set us up to naturally play. It’s his fault, not ours, if we don’t come to him. And I would never voluntarily come to him if he existed, because if he operates as you describe he is a being of pure malevolence.
Yes, we’re (still) powerful beings aren’t we JWM? For we shall have what WE say since our agreement (or disagreement) with the Truth Himself, therein lies the whole sum of it eh? The prophet saying truthfully ‘how can two (you and Him) walk together unless you be agreed’? So have it your way, have it till you’ve had your fill of it friend for self (that foreign, false) nature man is captive to, that one that resists and despises the Truth is the very same which Christ would delivers us from, has done away with…if only we would ‘agree’ to be free. Powerful you are.
You do understand that this is nonsensical and completely irrelevant to all that I just said, right?
Besides, I do not despise truth, I despise bullies. Whether god is real or not, the entity described is an abusive bully. And if christ wants to deliver me from anything, I can’t stop him, and it’s not my fault if he is too stubborn to give me a reason to come ask for it.
Yes, He is adamant, utterly insistent, will not back down, is determined that you know (intimately) the truth, that same high truth that sets you free, is fully committed to your liberty.
Is a tyranical truth Bully indeed!
Again, you are ignoring almost everything that I said. And he can’t be that committed if he created a system where it is so easy to be punished (BY HIM) for eternity. Yes, he is a tyrannical bully. Why should I worship that?
@JohnMWhite
“You do understand that this is nonsensical and completely irrelevant to all that I just said, right?”
This is John C you’re talking about … what do you expect from a person who’s stated that he doesn’t tend to read replies.
I didn’t catch him saying that. I suppose I shouldn’t bother reading his then.
@JohnMWhite
It was sometime ago that he said it along with the fact that believers are a different species from non-believers.
My view on John C is at best he’s rude and arrogant as he shows no interest in conversing with people but instead just says want he wants to about his pet subject, at worse … I’ll let you guess what that is!
What never ceases to amaze me is how the likes of him honestly think that their pathetic and idiotic ramblings have any chance on converting anyone to the faith … I’d say the opposite is true as his posts just demonstrate how ridiculous religious views can be.
I said ‘is a tyranical TRUTH Bully’ meaning anything less than that would be a dis-service to us, would not be the best, would not be love. As far as me not reading replies, no I never said that, I read every reply someone addresses to me. What I said was I don’t (always) read every new thread post topic in its entirety that Daniel posts since some are so vile and hateful, crude that’s what I said.
All the best JWM.
Though I’m talking to a wall, I’ve nothing better to do at the moment…
The truth he’s trying to tell us is that he’ll torture and punish us for not making the choice he insists upon. That, John, is vile, hateful and crude. It is also a dis-service for god to have created this situation in the first place. You are, still, failing to address this. God is responsible for our predicament, if he exists in the manner you say. If we choose wrongly, he failed to save us (and he created the wrong choice and its consequences to begin with). Doesn’t sound like a god to me, and certainly not one worth worshiping whether it’s “truth” or not.
Lets not forget it claimed it wasn’t here to testify to us, and then proceeded to do just that.
@John C
You know what you do and anybody who reads your posts soon realises what you do … if you were replaced by a keyword search program with a stock set of replies I’m really not sure anybody would notice.
That’s not the ‘good news’ JWM, how could it be? That is however your perspective which, in your current mindset, your own light ‘appears’ as such, but as I have shared previously, the unrenewed mind is deceptive, would have us believe otherwise.
Its only in his light that we see aright (Ps 36:9), see truthfully.
What you see across the landscape of humanity today is a very poor substitute for man’s original construct, design. We only see in a minute sliver of temporal time, but original, pre-fall man was a glorious, light-filled being having been made in the ‘very image and likeness of God’. So no, this mind (that which is the source of mankind’s gruesome, war-torn, hate-filled history) is not the ‘God’ kind, is actually opposed to Him, hates Him. Christ’s message and offer is not ‘religion’ but is closer to a whole (pun-intended) new mind, ie the mind of Christ.
Journeying with Christ intensely now for a quarter century, I assure you he is anything but crude, vile, quite the contrary, is beautiful, is love, is truth, Take care.
@Sunny Day
Lying is ok as long as it’s for Jesus is also on my list of “things that believers do that never cease to be amaze me”.
@Jabs,
I have always and only shared the truth of my own experience in love. I never retaliate, never say ugly things in return friend, you know that. If we’ve reached the point where we can no longer tolerate even one disparate viewpoint albeit communicated in a civil and friendly manner then I think that is a sad day. Why not set the bar higher (like JWM and I are attempting to do now) by engaging in a civil dialogue although we disagree? What harm is there in that?
All the best Jabs…
JohnC, Jabster is no longer bothering with civil dialogue with you because you clearly are not interested in the dialogue part. You keep ignoring anything people say to you and respond with mystic mumbo-jumbo and scripture, as if these things will ever mean anything or are relevant to the points being made.
I already addressed everything you said in your latest reply to me. I’m not doing it again. Read back, see where I have pointed out exactly how your idea of god is cruel and vile and how yes, he did make these minds of ours and is entirely responsible for our fate. When I *explain* to you why I think you are wrong about something, you cannot expect anyone to be satisfied with your reply that simply reiterates what I already argued against. Reiteration is not argument.
@John C
Being civil and friendly doesn’t mean not using “rude” words … you are, as I’ve said before, rude and arrogant. You have no desire to engage in conversation with other posters, you just wish to preach which you claimed that you weren’t here to do yet months and months later that is still what you’re doing.
What is really sad is that you’re so emotionally and intellectually stunted that you are incapable having a dialogue civil or otherwise. Do you think that one thing you’ve posted here has every made anyone think … yeh that John C has a point, or do you think that you’re a real live example of how ridiculous religious beliefs can be?
@JohnMWhite
John C has always been the same and I for one just wish that he was banned because he adds nothing to any of the threads that he posts in. The only problem is that he’d take that as a sign of Christian persecution …
Ah, may I introduce myself? Hieh. I am Nina.
A friend of mine introduced me to this forum a while ago, but I never really bothered looking around it until recently as I entered ‘procrastination-nation’. I just want to say it full of good-tiemz and that I look forward to more posts, for either teh lulz or food-for-thought. I myself have a mother whose entire family is Greek Orthodox xtian (while I was baptized as a baby, which the video btw is hilarious, I keep tugging the priest’s beard and screaming bloody murder, and also had to attend sunday school and sunday church services as a child, the service/communion was almost entirely in Cypriot-Greek, so meh, I wasn’t affected so much) and my dad’s family is 100% atheist. They divorced when I was 7 ><; By the time I was 8 I had outgrown my mother's default 'god works in mysterious ways' answer to my every question concerning the state of the world around me, and as such found greater moral satisfaction in other sorts of moral fairytales, which I always acknowledged to be exactly that, fairy-tales.
I hail from Middle-Earth, Auckland, which is extremely diverse in cultural and racial groups etc, so tolerance was always natural for me growing up. Fundamentalism seemed more outrageous that the surreal, over-dramatic, perpetually-plotting villians you see on cartoons these days, but I was hit with its reality a few years ago. I’m sort of grossly fascinated by it, idk. Its funny/sad/enraging, and most certainly entertaining.
Anyway, y’all are awesomep0ssumz, bai :D
*IS full of good tiemz >.<
Welcome cucumber.
Living in Greece I had the joy of witnessing an Orthodox Baptism and LOL, I definitely remember how little the girl liked it…
I saw that I can actually enter in a Church without getting struck by lightning (that’s ’cause God works in mysterious ways too), but it was otherwise terribly boring.
Yeah? Loool. I’m actually (half) Cypriot-Greek, as in not from the mainland, so the culture I know is slightly different :P. There are some fun theme parks, but idk, Cyprus is very dry and has a booming sex industry. Its funny. Where are you from?
Italian, currently living in Athens. =)
Help me! I have been suspended from the tea party patriots. My only sin was to question their core values. Is that so wrong.
I’ve prepared the fainting couch for you.
There was your problem, you showed up with questions instead of indignant righteous anger
The only question permissible is “where is the birth certificate?”
100% Of Our Economy Was Private’ Before September 2008.
You Americans will *never* escape the vicious clinch of socialism until your very army is in the hands of the government.
While hiring mercenaries is indeed a step in the right direction, as long as the security of the nation is collectivized and unnaturally removed from the market forces, unavailable to free enterprise of the individuals America can’t be truly free!
/end-of-sarcasm
I find it personally frustrating that since I’m a libertarian ( against the bailouts, government intervention in the market place, health care “reform” etc… ) I’m automatically lumped into the same group as, “these” individuals, tea baggers etc.
Ugh, how frustrating it is!
I consider myself libertarian on many issues, but I’ve never been lumped in with those idiots, thankfully.
I have the same problem. Libertarianism has been around far longer than the tea-baggers. I’m not sure how the two get confused, really. We’re rather sane and logical and rational; they are not. I’m more along the lines of ‘get the government out of my house and especially my bedroom and my body.’ I couldn’t care less what other people do as long as they’re not killing anyone.
I think they have become linked because people see libertarianism as being against so-called big government and liable to freak out over a government take-over of health care (which obviously this bill isn’t anything near, but a lot of the rhetoric assumes it is), which is how the tea-baggers are trying to define themselves as well. I suppose whoever is trying to massage their public image realised that having them foaming at the mouth over a black man trying to improve things for poor people and (according to their sources at least) immigrants and women would look really bad… so they hijacked the libertarian idea as a cover story to make the movement appear somewhat reasonable. Unfortunately, the rabid ones with Obama Derangement Syndrome (I guess they can’t get coverage for that?) are the ones shouting loudest.
Yes, I believe you have the teabaggers number. For several weeks I was signed up with the tea party patriots Webb site, which allowed me to get into their forum & have some fun going after their crazy logic. (please note: anyone here who can tolerate wading through all their sillyness should give it a shot – - – it can be fun until they figure you out & suspend you, which is what happened to me!). They don’t like “trolls”, which is what they call folks who infiltrate their party. And, of course, they believe god & the Constitution are complety on their side. Some of their stuff is pretty scary – - they give new meaning to “right wing”.
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