Here’s a joke about Americans I found on the internets a few days ago:
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An American soldier, serving in World War II, had just returned from several weeks of intense action on the German front lines. He had finally been granted R&R and was on a train bound for London. The train was very crowded, so the soldier walked the length of the train, looking for an empty seat. The only unoccupied seat was directly adjacent to a well dressed middle aged lady and was being used by her little dog.
The war weary soldier asked, “Please, ma’am, may I sit in that seat?” The English woman looked down her nose at the soldier, sniffed and said, “You Americans. You are such a rude class of people. Can’t you see my Little Fifi is using that seat?”
The soldier walked away, determined to find a place to rest, but after another trip down to the end of the train, found himself again facing the woman with the dog. Again he asked, “Please, lady. May I sit there? I’m very tired.”
The English woman wrinkled her nose and snorted, “You Americans! Not only are you rude, you are also arrogant. Imagine!”
The soldier didn’t say anything else; he leaned over, picked up the little dog, tossed it out the window of the train and sat down in the empty seat. The woman shrieked and railed, and demanded that someone defend her and chastise the soldier.
An English gentleman sitting across the aisle spoke up, “You know, sir, you Americans do seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. You drive your autos on the wrong side of the road. And now, sir, you’ve thrown the wrong bitch out the window.”
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LOL!
What he said.
What, specifically, do you find amusing about this?
The juxtaposition of British and American cultural norms, specifically the transgressive nature of the epithet juxtaposed against the supposedly-reserved British stiff upper lip, which in turn was an expectation reversal since the the setup of the punchline relies upon the stereotype of Americans being boorish and transgressive, especially of other culture’s norms.
The pun reversal was pretty good. I could have done without the dog getting tossed out the window, but it sets up the punchline pretty well.
necro-posting to say you are awesome!
Well, if you don’t get why this is a funny story explaining won’t help either…
Ha, I heard that joke before. But I heard it with the snobby woman being a French lady.
^ ditto.
Win!
Why do you consider this”win?” I find it disgusting on several levels.
You’re right. Based on your overreaction I’d call it a Double Win.
Oh pull up your big girl panties and get over it.
@nazani14: get a life :)
get over yourself. It’s a cute, funny story. Are you offended that they called the woman a bitch or because the dog was thrown out the window? Calm down..
We have run for President. We have served in every conflict since the First World War. We have won the Nobel Prize. What the fuck does it take for you to stop calling us “the B word?”
Yes, Americans are always wrong when they abuse animals. The soldier in this story could have offered to hold the dog on his lap. This brings back terrible memories of the man at LAX who reached into a woman’s car and threw her dog into traffic because he felt she wasn’t moving fast enough. If you think its unhealthy for a person to care deeply about an animal, that’s your problem. Even if you view other people’s pets as ‘merely’ property, you still have no right to harm them.
You REALLY missed the point of this.
Like, by a country mile.
Um, because the joke refers to one woman as a b1tch (because in this FICTIONAL SCENARIO this particular FICTIONAL CHARACTER was being a b1tch), the joker must necessarily think that all women are b1tches? That’s some deeply flawed logic right there!
That.
*eyeroll*
Yeah, because fiction is so much more interesting when it is not designed to reflect reality…
What’s the best selling modern book of all time? Lord of The Rings. Followed by Discworld Series. Followed by the Harry Potter series. Reflections of reality? Hardly.
the “B” word…. seriously you just said that??
*slaps ass* Now get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. I’ve got kittens to drown and sure as heck can’t do THAT on an empty stomach!
Dude, this joke was specifically aimed at DOGS, not cats. You missed the whole point! Throw the dogs out of train windows, not the cats!
Yeah, but I’m all about equal opportunity discrimination and abuse!
You, madam, have become the punch line of this joke.
Aw, c’mon, N! Quit yer bitchin! :P
(that was just a joke!!!)
Lighten up Francis.
Thank you Sgt. Hulka
In that case the punchline would have been, “You threw the wrong Nagger out the window”
Your right its not as funny but only because it doesnt make any sense. Now find me a small animal called a nigger and we’ll be in the joke telling business.
Know any small pets called niggers?
I suppose if we wanted to go there it could be a Black Farmer and a Spade and the punchline could have been, “You threw the wrong Spade out the window.” Even then you would be correct in thinking it wasn’t funny only because it wouldn’t make sense.
Everybody knows the Black Farmer would be riding with the Hobo’s instead of in the passenger section with all the clean people.
(BOOM-Tisss!)
Lighten up and maybe, just maybe, the “B-word” wouldn’t be necessary anymore…….
Ummm … the woman could have also offered to let the dog sit in HER lap. It was, after all, her dog and, while the soldier had paid for a seat, Fifi had not.
I put the needs of a weary human over the pampering of a pooch any day of the week.
We still call you the “B-Word” because their are still overzealous feminists like you who actually kill the entire movement when you open your mouth (or move your fingers in this case). A) Its a joke. its not a real story. B) The B-word is used cuz its about…a dog C) Again, you don’t want equality which is what the real fenimist movement is fighting for you want superiority. You wouldn’t have posted in the joke involved a man being called a “D-Word” or something similar. D) We even get some animal rights babble about this? Its A JOKE…no actual B#TCHES WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS QUIP.
case closed.
This is stupid.
I am officially (*snicker*) offended at that (*tectonic convulsion*) joke! (*LOL!*)
Anyone that takes this joke as advocating animal abuse or misogyny missed the point.
Some people around here need to get a sense of humor.
The point is that it’s NOT okay to blithely refer to women with this slur. Whether there is anything funny in the rest of the story scarcely matters.
Hold on. Are you arguing that the “B” word isn’t an accurate description of the woman in the story, or are you arguing that is never an acceptable pejorative to use ever?
That’s exactly what I am saying. I’m not defending the woman’s bad manners, but there are a thousand other names the man could have called her. As many have pointed out, there isn’t really a male equivalent for this vicious word.
http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/calling-yourself-bitch-is-not-empowerment-386/
It’s also bothersome that although the American and English man disagree on many things, they can agree on the treatment of women and the appropriateness of violence.
And, it’s really sad that atheist men who would loudly object to the treatment of women in the Bible seem to think that it’s just fine in their own lives to hear women denigrated.
Your appeal to emotion is noted.
That was not an appeal to emotion. It was two claims: first, that using the word ‘bitch’ has real-world negative consequences for women, and second that the joke normalizes violence. Neither was presented in an overly-emotional tone.
Further, claiming that nazani’s post was an ‘appeal to emotion’ was a gender-specific ad-hominem, equivalent to claiming that she is hysterical and thus can be ignored.
You idiot. An “appeal to emotion” is not gender specific. I don’t care if the humor-deprived concern monger is a male, a female, or an it-goat from the planet Beelzebub. Further an appeal to emotion is not about the tone of the argument; rather, it is a logical fallacy that tries to manipulate the emotions of the intended receiver rather than appeal to logic. Both his/her/its claims did just that.
Ok: Nazani makes two claims, you ignore them and call it an appeal to emotion.
I reiterate the claims, note that Nazani has not made claims on anyone’s sympathy, and you ignore them again and add an insult for good measure.
Nice debating tactics.
Of course logical fallacies are not necessarily gender-specific, but in this context a false accusation of emotionalism against a woman is indeed an ad-hominem.
Bull. Nazani said, “And, it’s really sad that atheist men who would loudly object to the treatment of women in the Bible seem to think that it’s just fine in their own lives to hear women denigrated.”
This is clearly a rhetorical appeal to emotion–by implying that this joke denigrates women, the writer attempts to shame “atheist men” (I guess the atheist women who find this joke funny are exempt? Probably not, but I digress) by saying that there’s apparently some contradictory behavior going on. By twisting the joke–and people’s response to the joke–and engaging in all sorts of hyperbole, nanzani is attempting to use emotion in order to sway Daniel and the rest of us into never ever EVER using the word “bitch” ever again.
Furthermore, you continue to ignore the meaning of “appeal to emotion”–for the second time (read very carefully, as I shall not repeat myself): appeal to emotion is about the discussant in question attempting to appeal to the audience’s emotions in order to prove their point, logic be damned.
So, you don’t think this is an appeal to emotion. Fine: how about “concern-trolling”? Here’s one definition of the concern troll:
A person who posts on a blog thread, in the guise of “concern,” to disrupt dialogue or undermine morale by pointing out that posters and/or the site may be getting themselves in trouble, usually with an authority or power. They point out problems that don’t really exist. The intent is to derail, stifle, control, the dialogue. It is viewed as insincere and condescending.
Feel free to add yourself to that mix.
I am well aware of the definition of an appeal to emotion, and was before the first time you posted it; I do not need you to define it for me. I simply do not agree that it applies here, and thus it was not worth a great deal of effort on my part other than to say that I disagreed. Since you continue to beat the same dead horse, I will add here that the fact that a person is emotional while making a point does not necessarily make the point an appeal to emotion. If you find the claim that ‘atheist men are being mean’ to be an appeal to emotion, fine: discard that claim as worthless, and move on to the actual points that Nazani made along with it.
My origninal point was, and continues to be, that Nazani made points that remain unaddressed, that were not appeals to emotion.
A troll posts with the entire intent of disrupting a discussion and agitating posters; Nazani posted with the intent of opening a critical discussion about the joke, and thus germane to the thread, to go along with the arm-farts. Do you think that dissent is always, necessarily trollish?
Clearly, you needed me to define “appeal to emotion” for you–and you still keep frakking it up.
And nazani hardly was posting to “open up critical discussion”–she was posting to say, in essence, “shame on you for repeating a joke wherein a woman is called a b1tch!” and doing the internet version of pearl clutching. But hey, you’ve had that said to you a thousand times in a thousand different ways, and her “points” have been addressed as well.
Bottom line, it was a joke that played upon the word “b1itch”–she didn’t like it, you didn’t like it and came here to preach at everyone about not liking the joke and how HORRIBLE the “B-word” is and how (oh my stars and garters!) it’s just sooooooooooooo horrible that you people would use it.
Get the frak over yourself.
I would like to point out that by lacking any sense of humor, being overly-reactive, and just generally trying to ruin everyone’s fun because you personally don’t get amusement, you are being a bitch. If you disagree with that, then stop being a jerk and let a joke be a joke.
It is perfectly possible to ‘get’ a joke and still be made uncomfortable by it.
Well in many cases that is the whole point of a joke …
I’m fine with the fact that she doesn’t find it funny. I can understand that and she doesn’t need to like it.
My problem is with her acting as if we’re all depraved for liking and demanding we be as offended as she is.
But…but…but mahousniper, she’s CONCERNED!
You’re right, he could have called her a c*nt. Would that have been better? I am a female and this does not offend me at all…but you kind of do
are you aware that bitch is a term for a female dog? It’s a pun. Get it?? Wow.
I believe asshole is the cultural equivalent for man. Also, Just as asshole can be used on women, bitch can be used on men.
Yeah, Nazani. You really missed the point of this sexist, sadistic joke. The point of this sexist, sadistic joke isn’t that it’s sexist and sadistic, the point is that it’s funny. That is the point, because we say it is the point. “The point” is beyond discussion, we determine it by fiat. All jokes only have one point — funnyness — and objecting to a joke only proves that you are not funny and can’t take a joke.
See, I’ll prove it: Five INTERNET ATHEISTS walk into a bar. They sit down at a table, order some beers, and have a long, uninformed, and self-serving discussion about stupid religious folks, evolutionary psychology, political correctness, that chick from Firefly, and the impressive size of their
dicks brains.Oh right, it needs a punch line… uh, NINJA PIRATE FLYING SPAGHETTI FRED PHELPS. lol so random!
Anybody who didn’t enjoy that: you are just not funny and can’t take a joke.
All jokes only have one point — funnyness
Uh, yeah.
I mean, sure a joke can have subsidiary points too if the comedian is really reaching for it, but first and foremost, a joke exists to be funny.
Not all jokes are funny though. You can tell a joke but you can’t make people laugh. I thought this joke was funny, but then it wouldn’t have worked if the person with the dog on the next seat was a man, either. She was being a bitch, actually, but if it had been a man instead, there would be no pun. Maybe he had set a giant dildo on the seat next to him or something, or a pet rooster. By this time, the joke gets surreal, somewhat – it’s really just a lot easier to fit a joke with a woman in that role, isn’t it?
I can see it’s getting kind of tense in here so I want to reiterate that I did think this joke was funny, but do also not find some other jokes as funny. It may be a matter of crossing a line, but mainly the misery of life I have by esteeming a lot of idiots are too easily amused and will laugh at anything someone calls a joke. Analyzing it, of course, makes it all the less funny. This joke seems borderline Reader’s Digest as it is, so don’t tell me all the jokes they print are funny by virtue of being jokes. Circular reasoning!
Humorless people suck on both sides of the equation. Let’s just agree on that.
Not that N isn’t way over reacting. But as a woman and a feminist jokes are often used to refer to women derogatorily, in particular they can be purposefully offensive in order to intimidate a woman into not speaking up. If the person does speak up their then attacked on every side for not “having a sense of humor.” (think of the image of feminists as shrill and anti-fun).
Think of how many times you’ve been in a group of Christians and they use a joke that portrays atheists negatively. If they know you’re an atheist the joke was probably meant to exclude you and make you feel like an outsider or bait you into saying something so that they can use the no sense of humor line and further exclude you or pressure you into conforming. Even if they don’t know it was clearly meant to create an in-group/out-group dynamic.
So to say “hey just get a sense of humor” can be very offensive in situations like this. It further invalidates a person’s feelings and reaction to the joke and acts to make a significantly more hostile environment for minority groups (they tend to be the butt of these types of jokes). Considering the gender imbalance that exists within the atheist community creating a more accepting area can’t hurt. There are plenty of times when jokes really are meant to be more than just funny.
However this joke is pretty funny due to its construction, as Elemenope pointed out in another comment. I didn’t find the term bitch inappropriate and if N did that’s their prerogative and we need to respect that. However, I think their outrage isn’t really sincere and may just be acting as a coverup for troll like behavior.
A few things.
First of all, this joke is hardly feminist. It’s more a simple play with the fact that bitch has two meanings.
Second, while it is her prerogative to be offended, it is NOT her prerogative to insist that no one is allowed to find it funny and to demand that we all be offended.
And third, I love jokes against atheists. I find a lot of them to be very clever. This picture is still one of my favorites:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/dilbarak/Big-Bang-Demotivator.jpg
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I don’t think you read my comment correctly or I wasn’t articulate enough? Or you’re agreeing with me and I can’t tell because of the internet.
1. I know it’s not a feminist joke (feminists don’t joke, hahah). But I was simply saying I as a feminist found it funny and not offensive.
2. Ok? And I said at the end that I think they’re just trolling… so we agree I guess?
3. I’m glad you like jokes against atheists but there are people who don’t and situations or contexts where the jokes are going to be interpreted or felt differently. That’s the entire point of my comment. In some contexts jokes are jokes and in others they a way of reinforcing social roles and creating stigma.
I’m not being hostile (or uppity) I was just commenting and trying to give a clear response about the social theory behind why someone may get upset at that joke and that it should be ok.
sometimes they’re used to point out flaws in society and change the norms.
Animal cruelty and woman-hating in one convenient joke.
I think you just did a major faceplant here, Daniel.
I’m amazed at the response. Animal cruelty? Woman-hating? Seriously folks? My wife found it funny… I guess she missed all the cruelty and hate.
I apologize that this joke offended some readers, that was not my intention. While I don’t think it encourages animal cruelty or misogyny, I can see why some people might read it like that.
Also, just to be clear, I didn’t write it.
Well if some people are too thick to get past the obvious fact that this is a joke, there’s really nothing you can do. I thought it was funny, not a great joke but still funny enough. Ivan you must be a real party killer.
Hey– every party needs a pooper!
Especially if they leave the onion dip out too long
There are a lot of funny jokes about Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, etc, too. Why not post one of those? Be sure to use the crudest possible epithet as the key part of punch line.
I guess you really hated the Boondock Saints.
Because jokes about Jews, blacks, Mexicans etc. usually cliche the entire race or demographic to which they refer, whereas this particular joke (as I have already pointed out) deals with one woman who behaves like and is described as a b1tch.
This. It didn’t imply all women in general were b1tches, the insult was specifically targeted toward this particular woman from this particular, fictional man. I own a cat. I am a girl. I didn’t sense extreme misogyny or animal cruelty in the least ( also, comedy is pretty much *the* most popular context in which stating ridiculous premises or describing anything un-PC is acceptable by an audience) –rather, I felt it was jabbing at British and American stereotypes more than anything.
The cliche the entire race – usually through the vehicle of one individual. This joke cliches women through the vehicle of one individual. Yes, she is an unpleasant person – just like most of the minority individuals in minority jokes are unpleasant individuals.
actually you’re wrong. that is all.
Just replace the old woman with a Black man and have the English man say the soldier should have thrown the n*gger out of the window, then maybe you’ll see why it’s offensive.
Yes, I realize that the alleged humor lies in the “wrong b*tch” line. But I know I speak for many women who are sick of being called this dehumanizing name whenever they dare to have an opinion. Are some women mean-tempered? Of course. Does that mean they are also either subhuman or, using the other connotation of b*tch, willing to have sex with anybody?
If that was what was happening in the story, you’d have a beef. But the woman in the story was not “expressing an opinion”. She was being rude and cruel to a stranger. If she were male, she’d be called a “dick” or an “a-hole”. Is that inappropriate too?
“She was being rude and cruel to a stranger”
What adds to the her being rude and cruel is that she was being like that to American soldier who was in WWII to save England in the 1st place. All the more to consider her a b1tch.
They could have added that the dog landed on a pile of pillows right outside an orphanage so we would know the dog would be OK. But I digress, the dog out the window only helped to set up the joke.
You know, I love animals and stuff, but this joke probably would have crossed into misogynist territory if the US soldier’s reaction was to throw the right b*tch out the window. I mean, it makes for a pretty entertaining joke as it is, but just because you’re tired doesn’t mean you should throw anyone, a dog or a person, out the window, even if the person is a jerk. I guess that’s why I have some mixed feelings about the joke myself. I sort of thought it has an amusing quality, but not very, I mean, not “WIN” as expressed early in the comments. I don’t care who you are, throwing dogs or people out the window due to utter frustration is still kind of a problem, even though it’s fictional. I sincerely do not judge people on the difficulty or heroism of their life story enough to get away with that for a “punchline.” The soldier walked back and forth on the train to find no one to give up a seat for him, so fumed, took it out on an innocent animal to punish its owner, who happened to be a woman. This might just be how I am, but there’s no excuse, I do not care if you just fought the whole WW2 by yourself bare-handed, get a grip, huh? If it had been a man with his dog, he might have just picked a fistfight with him – disregarding a train full of people who were equally selfish. It’s just… don’t throw anyone from the train just because you want to sit down. Well, why was this woman at fault even if she was rude, why didn’t the English man forfeit his seat, do the right thing, when he watched the exchange? Because it’s not as funny, I guess I didn’t think it was completely funny in the first place. I can’t be on board with this joke so much as I originally thought. Let’s punish the woman by killing her dog. I realize a soldier on his way home after a brutal tour deserves a seat, but not so much that killing someone or something to get that seat when he might have asked someone else first.
It’s also kind of passive-aggressive to walk up and down the train hoping someone realizes you need a seat more than they do, and kind of aggravating not a single person did notice or respect the uniform and reward the effort of fighting in battle. When I ride public transportation, so many people do give up their seat for an elderly person or handicapped person, but so many sit with their nose in the paper hoping someone else will get up instead (someone usually does). Sometimes the busdriver will request on their behalf so they don’t have to confront anyone. More than several times, an elderly person will directly ask for a particular person’s seat. Once, I saw a young woman with a broken leg and a cane make a big scene because nobody seemed to notice her otherwise, and she stood the martyr and victim here because everyone on that train was an asshole. I didn’t have a seat either that day, but I saw her again the next day and gave up my seat.
The way I see it, anyone sitting in the proximity of this woman the first time the soldier asked for her seat before he walked the length of the train again is BIG FAIL, as much a bitch as she herself, including the witty Englishman, and perhaps especially so. But then we wouldn’t have a joke. Do we really need this joke?
One of my favorite lines from a movie:
Queen of the Aliens versus super-cool fork lift thingy:
Ripley: Get away from you b*tch!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFXlEg5XZs
Yeah! That’s what I’m talkin’ about!!!!
And of course, we can’t forget Grandad “B*tches” Freeman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-ID_EG7qY&feature=player_embedded#!
In that case the punchline would have been, “You threw the wrong Nagger out the window”
Your right its not as funny but only because it doesn’t make any sense. Now find me a small animal called a n-bombs and we’ll be in the joke telling business.
Know any small pets called n-bombs?
I suppose if we wanted to go there it could be a Black Farmer and a Spade and the punchline could have been, “You threw the wrong Spade out the window.” Even then you would be correct in thinking it wasn’t funny only because it wouldn’t make sense.
Everybody knows the Black Farmer would be riding with the Hobo’s instead of in the passenger section with all the clean people.
(BOOM-Tisss!)
N- You’ve clearly never watched “The Boondocks.”
Well the joke could have worked if it had been Wing Commander Guy Gibson’s dog! I wonder how that’s going to be handled in the Hollywood remake …
I hate to tell you this, but it was renamed in the original film. It was never called “Darky”, it was actually named “N*gger”.
Are female (or male for that matter) cats also referred to as n*ggers? Because that would be the only way your example would be comparable to the original joke. If you threw a donkey out the window and someone said you threw the wrong ass, then it would be comparable.
I’m a chick and I refer to myself and other chicks as b1tches all the time. It’s just a word, get over it. Your extreme feminism is killing this joke and your chance to appear sane. By you getting upset you continue the good ol’ stereotype that women are over emotional and over react. Way to go.
You sound like a very competent, self-aware woman. You also sound like a bitch.
The joke posted by Daniel is definitely the least humorous piece of this dialogue…
since when does bitch mean prostitute. You’re wrong. And you’re being a c***
No kidding, my English mannered Canadian wife was rolling. Good joke, it really highlights the difference between English and American mannerisms.
Fail. Anything after you reveal the pun is an anticlimax. Not as big a deal in print, but verbally any extra words at the end are stepping on the laughter you hope to elicit. “Bitch” should be the very last word.
This is revolting, not intelligently humorous in any aspect.
Fail.
Looks like we’re getting some incoming traffic here from stumbleupon, so comments may be different than usual…
Oh, great.
It’s been fun so far! Daniel and I have been racing to feed/kill trolls, Ivan has been slain, and LRA is embracing her inner b*tch!
LOL! Well, the way I see it… if you embrace it, you deflate its power to harm.
Really? When Newt Gingrich called Hilary Clinton a b*tch, should she have embraced it?
The word itself has no intrinsic power. It is the intention of the user that makes words harmful. Newt Gingrich was a nasty person doing a misogynist hit-job on a political adversary; about as apart a context from this one as one could hope to create.
I disagree. Neither the word nor the intention of the user has the power. The reciever and the reaction to the comment gave up the power to the user.
My feelings are MY responsibility, not yours. Your feelings are YOUR responsibility, not mine.
When I called you one, you should have embraced it. You’re well beyond being a b*tch and delving in to the realm of c*nt. You’re the type of woman that “get back in the kitchen” jokes were specifically made for. It’s all to make YOU feel subhuman.
Why? Because you not only allow these words to take your humanity, but you actively search for any and all things that could possibly be misconstrued as being directly offensive.
If you can tell me that the woman in the joke wasn’t being a b*tch, I have really sad news for what everyone probably thinks about you, and being upset about it isn’t going to change anything.
Reading this thread, I wanted to believe that only the joke was sexist, not the people laughing at it.
Apparently I was somewhat mistaken.
“Somewhat” is an understatement. The joke wasn’t sexist, neither am I. The lady in the joke was being a b*tch, and nazani is being a c*nt. There’s no deeper meaning or sexist agenda here, just a bunch of whiny b*tches that can’t take a joke.
Yeah really. If anyone calls me a b*tch, I laugh. To me, it’s a sign of insecurity. Plus, I *can* be a b*tch sometimes– and that’s nothing to be embarrassed about. Strong women can be seen as threatening. One person’s b*tch is another person’s strong, independent, assertive, intelligent woman. Since it’s just a matter of semantics to me, I have no problem being called a b*tch.
Well said… I think that’s what I was getting at with my b*tch-gravy post.
LRA I like b*tch’s like you. Want to grab a drink later and bash on organized religion?
Aw! Thanks! Let me know next time you’re in Austin. I know some cool places.
There’s a big difference between women calling each other bitches and men calling women bitches. It’s the same as the difference between black people calling each other n*ggers and white people calling black people n*ggers.
Your comment is sexist and racist LKL.
It’s sexist because you think there’s a double standard with men and women calling a woman a b*tch. What you’re really doing here is saying “women are so weak and fragile, that they go all to pieces when a man calls them a bitch… but not when a woman does it, that’s ok”
It’s racist because you seem to think that it’s perfectly fine for a black person to call another n*gger. It’s just not ok for a white person to do the same. Seeing as how you’d even bring this up, you’re probably the type that would call one a n*gger in the safety of your own car, or home, or out of earshot, but you would not say it to their face.
What does this make you? A racist, sexist b*tch.
right on.
That was a bitchin’ necro, jolene.
Besides, in the current vernacular, ‘Bitch’ is fairly unisex. Not only is the word being reclaimed and turned into a badge of honor by women who aren’t afraid of being thought of as aggressive or powerful, but also its increasing use to refer to men or in situations that are gender-neutral all point to the word and its use being much more complicated than simply a verbal tool of patriarchy (which in some contexts it admittedly still is, though not often, and certainly not in the context of the joke here.)
nazani needs to watch the vagina monologues, which i happened to direct and act in a few years ago. You cant get much more feminist than that. As a feminist woman, I am not ashamed to say it’s people like nazani that give us a bad name. Nazani, by posting publicly, you are making an immortal name for yourself. It’s not a good one. Thousands of people think you are the worst kind of person. Sweet dreams, bitchnugget :)
for christ’s sake! HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU BE TOLD? IT’S A JOKE. It can’t hurt you if you don’t let it. Nobody is trying to defame or bash anyone other than nasty old ladies on trains that spoil their dogs and let them have a seat rather than a war hero that is trying to defend the country he’s in. That’s it. There’s no misogyny, no anything. You’re reading into this WAY too far. If you can’t stop this line of thought and just get over the fact that people joke about things (usually at the expense of others) you need mental help.
(3) Comments from Ivan will be flagged as “White Knight” and deleted to prevent devastating ridicule and bullying by those of us with a sense of humor.
dang it… did it again daniel 8)
Sorry. Plus, it’s never good to feed the trolls… and Ivan is definitely a troll in this thread. ;)
go ahead and 86 it then. It’s all good
I personally have embraced the word b*tch. B*tches may be acerbic (to borrow a word from Ty), but they are intelligent too.
Yay, b*tches!!!!!!
I have to agree somewhat. I like my women with a side of bitch-gravy… If they’re too nice they’re boring!
LOL! B*tch gravy… I gotta remember that one. :)
Cheers, LRA.
B*tches unite!
And for the record, yes, female, b*tchy owner of a bitch of the canine kind. Most unoffended.
Okay, so I got a little pissed at Nzo.
Telling a woman “You can’t take a joke” is just as demeaning and dumb as the original joke.
Do you even read what you type? You’ve effectively made no point here. Do you want to know why?
Because I didn’t say “You can’t take a joke”.
Shorter Nzo: In Soviet rUFsia, moderators troll you!
Haha, I laughed. I’m not entirely sure what you meant by that, but it was funny nonetheless
That is pretty funny. It doesn’t insult women because it doesn’t denigrate women; it puts down a rude, self-centered asshole.
For those of you who still don’t get why I’m upset, here’s a brief article that expresses it better than I can: http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/calling-yourself-bitch-is-not-empowerment-386/
“I think that calling ourselves and other women “bitch” and other offensive terms is a form of self-loathing, and I think we need to stop it. I don’t think I should have to call myself “bitch” before someone else does so I can say, “I reclaimed it.” Embracing the label reinforces its use and makes it acceptable and that’s not okay. I don’t think there should be anything pejorative about speaking your mind, asserting yourself, or having an opinion.”
It’s a big deal. You can’t pat me on my head like John Wayne saying “Now, now, little missy” and say it’s just a joke. You can test this this premise by calling your mother or daughter a b*tch. Let me know what happens, ‘kay?
Sooooo…you find the feminist magazine “Bitch” offensive?
While I understand that the editors are trying to defuse the word or make it something positive, that ploy is obviously not working.
http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/calling-yourself-bitch-is-not-empowerment-386/
It’s not working because you’re stuck in an ideological approach to the word that is obstinate, inflexible, and dogmatic. And calling it a “ploy” is clever, but ignores the intellectual approach that these feminists are taking.
Calling yourself a bitch steals away the power of the word when others use it against you. There is great power in that: the power you take away from others to make you feel badly when they use the word. And if you don’t think that works, it’s because you’ve decided to stick to the guns that say it doesn’t even in spite of the evidence. Every time you get offended by it and act like it’s the really bad thing again, you put power right back in the hands of those who would use in the denigrating way.
Honestly. Grow up and acquire a sense of humor. Your life is going to seriously suck until you die if you can’t take yourself with a grain of salt every now and then. Were YOU that woman on the train with the dog being a heartless, selfish and cruel “b1tch?” No? Then knock it off. As to the kind of woman who would act as that one did in the joke, she’d ultimately be the better for being laughed at like that. Shed learn something. Behavior of that sort deserves to be derided, ridiculed and sanctioned. Jokes of this nature are not only funny (hint: you have to have a sense of humor first, and if I can manage it, so can you – and I’m autistic and clinically disadvantaged in “getting” humor), but they also serve to demonstrate certain values. Note: never insist that one equals all. That’s not only incredibly bad math, it’s also very bad manners, and rotten logic. Note, no other woman on the train got treated with any disrespect. Just the one who was disrespectful to the soldier. If you sow nettles, don’t expect to reap roses. A little tit for tat. So, lesson for you here. Pay attention to the details, for therein lies the world.
I guess I expressed some problems I had with the joke already, but probably the part where the woman is called a B*tch was the funniest part. Almost all of the rest was horrifying and inhumane and offensive. People suck, everyone on that train sucked, including the soldier once he picked up the dog, and for not asking someone else for a seat before he resorted to violence against one rude person. The one innocent creature on that train was killed and you are offended by a word? I love that word. I am that word.
LET ME CITE THE SAME EXACT WEBSITE IN CASE YOU DIDNT SEE IT THE FIRST TIME! And yes, me and my sisters call each other “b1tch” all the time. If I called my mother one i would get smacked upside the head for using a swear word.
Nazani14 – either the greatest and most accomplished troll of all time, or a supreme dumbass. Every post of yours lacks contextual relevance. I’m trying to understand how someone could *be* so stupid. You must be absolutely determined to be unreasonable, judging by what you’ve been saying.
The worst part is, nothing I say will end in you entertaining the notion that you are mistaken, and that you took a funny joke based on a pun the wrong way. Your reactions to it and the other comments on this page have made me laugh, declare bullshit, and finally decide to contribute to the comment war.
You are the anti-Christ. Good day.
Also, LKL: You lack just as much intelligence as Nazani14. Please locate a cliff, and jump off it immediate.
you really need to watch vagina monologues. You are so sadly misinformed and ignorant, it’s astounding.
LMAO you’ve missed the point. And guess what, the woman was a bitch? It was more playing on British stereotypes than misogyny (I’ma girl and I have a cat, so stfu).
Untwist your knickers.
Wow. I was only mildly offended by the joke itself (though for the same reasons Nazani cites), but what the joke didn’t do the comments here did. What a self-righteous, self-congratulatory sausage fest.
What crybaby fest. <— fixed, and simplified
Weak minded people will continue to be weak minded. They'll take offense to anything and feign disgust, outrage, or passive-aggressive indifference. People like you couldn't watch 5 minutes of anything aired on Comedy Central.
Suggestion: Make an appointment with your doctor for the removal of that object stuck in your nether regions.
Yes, nzo, that’s right. People who disagree with you strongly don’t have real principles, values, or opinions; they’re not even honestly mistaken. Rather, people who disagree with you suffer from some form of innate mental defect. Don’t argue with people who disagree with you — instead, make imputations about their character and motives, and accuse them of social and sexual deviancy. Consider cutting off communication altogether when people disagree with you, because people who disagree with you are probably not sincere anyway, and just trying to provoke you.
So yeah, anyway, on to another subject — how about those intolerant religionists? Boy, ain’t it awful how they are so closed-minded.
Haha, I like your comment. Well written, through and through.
It’s not that people who disagree with me don’t have real principles, values, or opinions, it’s that their principles, values, or opinions just really don’t matter to me. The ones on this forum obviously suffer from a mental defect, seeing as how they’re taking offense from a joke about a woman who is being b*tchy, and is called such.
They obviously never built any character growing up, probably due to helicopter parents who should have been aborted by THEIR parents. Their “precious snowflake” feelings were hurt by a joke that wasn’t intended as a knock against women in general.
I’m not saying these people aren’t sincere, I’m saying they’re defective… subhuman even.
tl;dr
The joke wasn’t meant as a knock against women in general; if you get your panties in a wad about it, you probably deserve to be ridiculed like the defective product you are.
Go tell a joke featuring the word n*gger, and when someone takes offense, tell them it wasn’t a knock against blacks in general, but the character in the joke was being n*ggerish.
This defective product has fought all her life- been tear-gassed and hit- for women’s rights. Without the brave activists who came before me, I would never have been able to have a great military career, or been deployed to Grenada, Panama, and Operation Desert Storm. I would never been able to earn an MA after retiring. I will never accept the “B-word” – and I will never allow any jackass like yourself to call my Daughter that name and get away with it, either.
“and I will never allow any jackass like yourself to call my Daughter that name and get away with it, either.”
If your daughter acted like the woman in the joke, she would deserve it.
And by the way, my grandfather was a jackass and I take offense at you thorwing that term around.
IIrc the put-down form of ‘n*gger’ is actually ‘n*ggardly,’ not ‘n*ggerish.’
No, “niggardly” is entirely unrelated.
What does “being niggerish” means?
The word bitch is used in the joke -as in most jokes they play with that- with two different meanings. Yes, I know you knew that. From Webster:
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman
The joke uses definition 2b, you seem to think that they uses the 2a.
Language is sexist (specially those languages who have articles determining gender), I know, but maybe you are overreacting in this specific case.
Oh, I hope your daughter doesn’t take after a b*tch like you, but whether she does or not, I’ll happily call her a b*tch to her face just for being your offspring.
I couldn’t really care less about your fantasy-world military career or tear-gassing, since I know someone with your emotional instability couldn’t possibly have made it anywhere useful in life.
Go back to whatever emo-coddling website you came from and get your fake, online sympathy from them.
Also, it seems anti-reason and stupidity run in Nazani’s family, unless she just wrote the comment herself.
they let people like you in the military? No, wait, that’s smart. I want you out of my country too, right there on the front lines. We should put all the ignorant ones on the front lines. I’m sad that 16 of my closest friends have to work with people like you.
Gasp and swoon! I’ve seen a joke that offended my delicate sensibilities! Quick! Someone retrieve my fainting couch!
This was really hilarious. I hate people who are like the snotty woman in this joke and certainly the most offensive thing here was her behavior. Anyone not getting this is purely ignorant.
Wow leave it to Americans to find a joke where they are not the butt of offencive. I also agree that the absurd comments on here are funnier than the joke.
…because solidarity is worthless?
Kind of a long haul of joke to get to a simple punchline, but amusing none the less.
Now on to the comments, sweet tap-dancing christ this is golden. I can understand people being as thick as nazani14 in real life, but on the internet its expected for your skin to be a little bit tougher. It takes all of two minutes online to realize that anyone can say anything and there isn’t anything you can do about, complaining on any website is likely to get you skewered unless you have a legitimate complaint that can illicit sympathy from the regulars. Harping on a joke doesn’t win you any points. Usually this behavior screams troll, but its occurred to me that there actually are people who are simply this obtuse.
It would be worth it to post some dead baby jokes just to see the response it gets, but I don’t want to thread jack this beautiful mis-aimed moralizing train wreck.
Dead baby jokes posted here
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/04/19/qotd-whats-your-favorite-joke/#comments
by yours truly
Nazani, perhaps you could tell us some examples of jokes you think we’re allowed to find funny?
Anything by Frankie Boyle prehaps …
Probably free-range, cruelty free, 100% organic jokes made with hemp.
You forgot fair trade. No jokes constructed in sweat-shops, please.
Dammit, I knew I forgot something.
^this.
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The version of the joke I remember, it was a frenchwoman and her french poodle. The punchline was, “You threw the wrong french bitch out the window.”
Man. I enjoyed the joke.
Little did I know the real gem was hidden in the comments!
There are few things I enjoy more than the glimmer of profound stupidity promptly smothered under the blanket of reason.
My day is here-by brightened.
Thanks, y’all!
I’m white, blond haired, blue eyed, and of German heritage. Do you have any idea how much I’m called a Nazi or an Aryan?
Do I take offense to this? NO. BECAUSE IT’S A JOKE. When people say that, they don’t mean that I’m actually murdering antisemitic psycho, they’re just poking fun at me. I have a Jewish friend who makes a point of picking up spare change and joking about it. He’s not offended because IT’S A JOKE.
This case wasn’t even anti-woman. It was simply calling a specific woman a bitch. Are people suggesting we just completely remove this word from the English language? Or should no one ever be allowed to insult anyone ever?
I’ve also been called a Nazi due to my appearance and German surname – not funny. At least in the context that it had happened, I wasn’t acting like a fascist or anything, just that the person thought all of my ancestors were probably responsible for gassing 6 million Jews that one time. Of course, he was Quebecois, and for some reason confused that with actually being French. I’ll go ahead and say that Canadians just aren’t funny at all, but I don’t really think that’s true. He didn’t cite the Iranian for holding hostages, but then he was “really” from Dubai anyway, but he was actually Iranian, I don’t know what I’m saying anymore. I think people are jerks sometimes when they think they are being funny, so I’m not obligated to laugh just because they didn’t mean anything by it. “I didn’t mean anything by it” is just something people say so they can say whatever they want – it’s just like saying “I’m not a racist/homophobe/etc., but…”
OK joke, superb comments. I guess some people just left their sense of humour at the door, when they came in.
There is a difference between stereotyping: All women are bitches.
and poking fun at a persons behavior: That woman is being a bitch.
Because in the former, women have no control over their womanness. In the latter she is choosing to behave that way.
For me, the offensiveness has nothing to do with the word ‘bitch.’ It has to do with where the humor comes from in the joke. It’s not the double-entendre of the word ‘bitch’ – if it were only that, I wouldn’t have a problem and the joke wouldn’t be considered as ‘funny.’ The joke comes from two suggestions, first that there’s nothing wrong with killing a dog (the dog in this case is an object, not a subject), and second that the soldier should have physically assaulted the woman instead of the dog.
Yes, the woman in the joke was a caricature of an unpleasant (shall I say, ‘shrewish,’ ‘bitchy,’ ‘hen-pecking,’ ‘nagging,’ or some other female-specific insult that has no male equivalent? Shall I pursue or ignore the fact that women in popular culture are frequently portrayed as stereotypes from a male viewpoint – which, btw, is what the magazine Bitch is about?) person. That does not excuse the fact that the ‘joke’ was about the fact that the soldier supposedly would have had the ‘right’ to physically assault her but chose instead to distress her emotionally by killing her dog, thereby getting around the social constraints against striking a woman (at least in public).
Just out of curiosity, would anyone here find the joke as funny if the unpleasant person had been a man, and the dog in question male? Or maybe the dog would have to be a pet pig in that case, since ‘pig’ is more often applied to men than ‘dog.’
Ok, new punchline: ‘You threw the wrong pig out the window.’ Still as funny?
What if the soldier and the Brit were women?
Please go to a proctologist. You clearly have a large wooden object lodged in your rectum. It could be causing massive discomfort and symptoms like a precipitous loss of a sense of humor.
Oh, that’s an intelligent response.
You’re clearly exhibiting the symptom of a loss of a sense of humor. You really should make an appointment to see your proctologist posthaste. I should think that that wooden obstruction in your rectum would be quite uncomfortable.
It wouldn’t be funny, but it wouldn’t be offensive either. The truth about this whole thread is that you and nazani have become much more entertaining than the joke itself. Your feelings and emotions being shared here are both hilarious and disgusting at the same time. You are nothing but comedic material… and damaged goods as far as humanity is concerned.
Why don’t you think it would be funny? I find it significantly more so. The pun is preserved, the structure of the joke is preserved, and there’s the added element of a pet pig on a train being fussed over by an old man.
I suppose an idiot like yourself would find it all kinds of funny, however, most of society would only find your pathetic outrage at a non-sexist joke to be funny.
In a nutshell. Almost all jokes are potentially offensive to somebody. Most people, however, won’t say a mumbling word about them until they happen to hear one which offends them personally. Well, tough shit. It’s a JOKE. If you can’t separate a JOKE from REALITY then that is nobody else’s problem – particularly if it’s a fairly inoffensive joke to start with.
Most of the jokes on the ‘favorite joke’ thread aren’t offensive, the exceptions being the ones that have been posted to be deliberately so. Puns are not inherently offensive, and are the basis of a lot of jokes. The unexpected is not inherently offensive, and forms the base for many jokes as well.
There is a certain type of joke where the humor comes from a subversive feel, from the idea of ‘getting away with something,’ and that type is more likely to be both childish (ie, jokes about farts, feces, genetalia, etc) and more likely to be offensive (someone gets away with harming or insulting another person).
Well no it’s not because as soon as you put a pet pig into the joke you know that it is going to be the main part of the joke.
I’m not sure how to put this so that you’ll understand…
IT’S A JOKE
Also, yes, still funny.
“first that there’s nothing wrong with killing a dog”
Now it is about animal rights?
‘You threw the wrong pig out the window.’ Still as funny?
Yes. I would do some changes to the joke, for example, the piggy men was touching unadvertidly -inside a tunnel?- a young woman, she thought it was the pig and threw it out the window.
Another passanger said:
- You must be american.
- How do you know? Because of my agressive reaction?
- Because you Americans do seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. You drive your autos on the wrong side of the road. And now, miss, you’ve thrown the wrong pig out the window.
who said the dog died? could have landed in something soft, your implications seem to indicate a very pessimistic outlook on the world.
Well, because the soldier reacted in anger and frustration with intent to harm the dog. The ultimate fate of the dog may be unknown, but it would be pretty lucky to have survived without any injuries being thrown from a moving train. The intent of the soldier should be overlooked here? What gives him a right to pick on a dog or anyone? I don’t believe that he’s earned any special rights to act that way toward anyone or their dogs.
There is no dog, just like the spoon.
Whoa.
you’re stereotyping american soldiers and i find that offensive! harrumph! *stomp stomp pouty face* who SAID he’s acting out of anger and frustration? Are you saying that all soldiers have PTSD and are mentally unstable? Harrumph! He simply was doing the most logical and direct thing to get rid of the obstacle in his way! It was good training!
If he was still looking for a seat, it means the train hadn’t left the station yet. The dog would have landed on the platform, dazed, pissed off (probably a yappy little thing), but otherwise fine.
Maybe the lady should stand up in a huff and storm off the train to retrieve her dog and find a conductor before the Englishman delivered the punchline, would the joke work for you then?
He had walked up and down the length of the train twice by the time he threw the dog, so perhaps this train was not going anywhere for a good 10 minutes or longer, but probably not. Nobody else might have noticed he was looking for a seat without asking anyone else to give up theirs. He just looked at them in their seats and became overly bitter and violent by the time he returned to the other end of the train to ask the woman to move her dog. What about that stupid Englishman? He can be smug and witty and deliver the punchline to slay the audience without having to give up his seat? I don’t say a dog needs a seat, but move on from the rude woman and ask someone else; don’t throw dogs out the window just because…. just because what? Now does he think the ride will be fantastic sitting next to a woman whose dog he just murdered, who was already a known entity of selfish attitude? It’s pretty sick.
I am processing some severe misanthropy at the moment, not caused by the joke, but aggravated by it. Sorry if that means I must store small appliances up my rectal area. I’m so disappointed in myself for not being a sport because I think people suck so much. The dog didn’t know he did anything wrong, and everyone else points their fingers at the woman, the only possible person on that whole train who deserved to be punished and called a name, by some other a-hole who sat comfortably across the aisle, who exists just to juxtapose something and make a pun.
I really hate that guy, I don’t mind the word “b*tch” at all, nor especially in the context that this woman clearly was being one, but he had his thumbs up his ass making jokes instead of see the soldier would like a seat. Why should the Englishman get up if there’s a dog in that car and a woman who should have been thrown out the window? He doesn’t have to concede his seat for a US soldier, then he insults Americans and suggests the woman should be thrown out of a train window rather than even her dog. Even the Englishman cared about the dog’s life – doesn’t anyone see that? It’s possible to read too much but it’s also possible to not read enough into it. Calling her a b*tch was the least offensive thing he said or did (didn’t do) overall.
Did you really just take all of that time to analyze a joke?
I mean, you could have been making me a damn sammich during that time!
You’re taking the joke too far and creating stories for the characters. The dog might have landed on a fluffy pillow or tumbled into a pile of hay. The man might have walked down the aisle and became extremely bitter but none of that is the point. Making up different scenarios and looking too far into a joke is just silly.
This was the best evar! Just in the comments alone….
So, what if the inhabitants of the train were all homosexual men? Maybe that will help nazani understand the joke better. Maybe that would be funnier.
I call my gay male friend a b*tch when he’s acting like one. He takes no offense. Nor do I at being called one. Of course, I don’t take offense to much. Makes all kind of jokes funny if I don’t get offended. Kinda dumb to do so. IMHO, that is.
some people are just insane. ‘Bitch’ in the context of this joke refers to the dog and the woman. the woman is a bitch cause she acted like a bitch. it works with a guy, too. a guy who is an asshole is a dick – he is being a dick. a woman who acts like an asshole is a bitch. to say you cant call a bitch a bitch cause the word bitch is offensive to all women is incorrect. to say that there is no equivalent to bitch for men is incorrect. dick. you can call me a dick if you don’t like this argument, but whatever.
It must be a sad and terrible thing to go through life, unable to take a joke.
I never realised that this joke would provoke so much outcry. Let me say this about the joke:
a) The term bitch was used in a rather specific context. Although ‘bitch’ can be used in a sexist manner, it is fairly obvious that the joke is referring to that specific lady solely. Perhaps if the joke was something like “How many bitches does it take to switch a lightbulb?” or something of that ilk, you could make an argument (although it would depend on the context of the joke) that it was a sexist and disgusting joke. But this is fairly tame by most standards. Men and women frequently call each other bitches to refer to a singular person. So it should be clear to anyone that not all usage of it denotes a sexist intention per se.
b) The context of the joke wasn’t meant to offend. Come on, this was posted on UF, a very liberal and open minded website with for the most part the same commentators voicing their opinions. From what I’ve gathered most people here don’t have a sexist or misogynistic bone in their body! If the joke was presented on some form of woman hating website, then I would definitely say they had a sexist intention (duh) within the joke. But this is UF, people here are smart enough to see it’s a joke and not say “Ha! Take that bitches!”.
If the context is right, the joke teller doesn’t believe the ethos of the joke and the person you’re telling the joke to understands your humour, then why not tell an offensive joke? With certain White friends, we’re on a level of friendship whereby they can call me a nigger and I’d laugh it off. If I suspected them of being racist, then no, I wouldn’t allow that. But because I know their intentions I take it in its stride.
Bottom-line is that if you failed to see the good intentions in this joke, then you were probably looking for an excuse to be offended.
Nazani and LKL, you ma’ams are being bitches.
And I am being a dick.
The word dick has little weight in comparison, I will agree, but what if you call a guy a bitch? That has another meaning entirely, and I imagine it is more offensive for a guy.. Except in cases like this.
Understand this: words have no weight if their underlying meaning has no weight. This joke does not target all women, and so it’s not sexist. The word “bitch” is not a sexist word, because it can be applied to both sexes. Even so, why bother being offended? One person argued that it’s up to you to be offended by another’s actions. This sorta takes the blame off the offender, but I have to agree. The only reason kids bully eachother on the playground is for the reaction.
As for the animal cruelty thing.. Really? Really? For the sake of the joke, it had to happen. I know you named the dog and imagined it with a missing leg and a nervous twitch from its past, abusive owners, and so you must have gotten attached. But he had to die. The joke just wouldn’t be funny if he landed on a pile of pillows by an orphanage. It just wouldn’t be. But we don’t know for sure that he died! Maybe we can write a SEQUEL to the joke, and the dog comes back to bite the man. Not the woman, because that would be sexist.
You have a great advantage over other supposed ‘minorities’ – and that is that you have a massive population (probably around half) and, no matter how ignorantly and bitchily (?) you behave, men will contend with it. Try to pretend you’re “reclaiming” your place in society by butchering the dictionary to get rid of words like ‘fireman’ and ‘manhole’ (personhole sounds so gay! oops, sorry gay community) but in the end you’re just picking fights to prove that you know how to be loud and shrill.
“The word dick has little weight in comparison, I will agree, but what if you call a guy a bitch? That has another meaning entirely, and I imagine it is more offensive for a guy.. Except in cases like this.”
Thing is, guys call each other stuff like that a lot – and it’s not that big a deal! I genuinely don’t know any guys who would get offended if I called them personally a dick or a bitch in the course of telling a joke.
So women who get offended by terms like ‘fireman’ and ‘policeman’ are wrong and shouldn’t feel excluded by this? Also, I believe the term is ‘access hole’.
“It’s anchorMAN, not anchorLADY!”
~Anchorman: The Story of Ron Burgundy film.
I actually have an issue calling women firemen and such. It doesn’t make any sense. Sexism aside, it just doesn’t work.
That said, words ending in -or and -er generally don’t bother me when used in a gender-neutral sense.
But I think using “man” in some gender-neutral settings is acceptable, since it’s really a relic of language, not of gender roles. Anchormen were called anchormen and not anchorwomen because women traditionally never had that role. Manholes are called manholes simply because “man” is a common synonym for “person.”
Then again, I also don’t use the spellings “womyn” and “humyn,” so maybe I’m just insensitive :P.
I think my face just melted from the absurd amount of conversation this joke generated.
If you’re going to concern troll well, at least come up with a better example then n*gger. The explanation is just waay too big of a stretch. Better replacement: bundle of wood for the puppy, and I’ll let you guess the replacement for b*tch. If you want an under-recognized epithet that’s seriously hateful, go with f*g, it’s right there with n*gger. Ugh, I feel dirty just thinking about those words, they have like a hate-cadence to them, like you can hear the spittle and froth and ignorance. Gross. B*tch doesn’t come even close to that amount of hatred, because it’s not really specific to women any more.
The point isn’t about women though, nor is it about puppies or violence, and it would still be funny if it were a “pig” although it wouldn’t be as coherent. It’s a pun, a play on British people’s dry sense of humor, and a peripherally a joke about people who extend their feelings of entitlement to their pets.
My wife said she wanted to go some where she’s never been for our anniversary, I said how about the kitchen! Ba-zing.
The worst thing is when the comments go from comedy gold, to comments about how gold the comedy is, to comments about how all the comments are about the comments, and that’s when your brain explodes.
LOL. The Internet is Serious Business, didn’t you know?
“A man shouldn’t call a woman a b*tch” <— sexist
"A white person shouldn't call a black person a n*gger" <— racist
Do I really have to explain why?
No, the idea that you’re living in a fantasy world comes through loud and clear.
The idea that you’ve got daddy issues comes through loud and clear. See how that works? You make a completely random, unsupported statement, then I make one. Totally makes sense, right?
Here, for your viewing pleasure, is what I wrote when you posted something like “women can call women bitches, men can’t”
You’re welcome. DO come back when you’re ready to use your intellect instead of your pms to make arguments.
It’s tempting to just let this go, but now that you’ve got the calcaneus past your teeth I’m tempted to see if you can get the malleoli in as well.
Care to go for a trophy? Nazani has already been Godwined based on the fact that there’s an N and a z in her/his name; surely you won’t deny me the opportunity as well?
I gotta say, though, that jesusonadinosaur at least gives a funny insult. You’re just sophomoric.
I never claimed to be the entertaining one. You, naz, and ivan are the clowns here.
In no way does your comment remotely show anything other than a juvenile display of your google-U education.
Did you honestly think that you, a concern-troll, could possibly decide who stuck their foot in their mouth?
You don’t really want to go equating me with nazis… you’ll find the idea cliched and not very funny. Besides, take two letters out of nazani’s name, you get “nazi”, mine would be a bit of a stretch. Stick to being a b*tch about a joke about a b*tch being a b*tch, it’s much more entertaining.
Oh, come on. You can do better than that.
You’re right, what’s obvious now is that you cannot.
Of course I can, what’s obvious at this point, is the fact that you cannot.
sorry for the double post, my first comment didn’t show up ’till i wrote the second one.
Hi, you’re my favorite for that PMS joke.
Nazani14, don’t you have a life, something to do other than sit and leave ignorant and pointless comments on here? Don’t you have a husband that you could be making a sandwich for?
Laundry to be done, most assuredly. I’ll need a handjob and a beer after I get home from work. Both simultaneously would be preferable.
you are all insane.
I can’t believe I have to defend a dude throwing a dog ( as I have 2 small dogs of my own, and am a huge supporter of animal rights, as in tons of money to donations) but
It. Is. A. Joke.
This didn’t actually happen, it just sets up for a humorous punchline.
And it isn’t sexist to call a chick a bitch, just like it isn’t sexist to call a dude a bitch. Anyone can be a bitch…like people who go bat-shit insane whenever they can’t tell the difference between: a joke and true story; or between a sexist comment and insulting (fictitiously, btw) someone who is acting in a way that is unkind and narcissistic (to not have to move her pretend dog) in a pretend scenario.
Nazani and LKL, you two sound a lot like these other people ive heard about, hmm who were they….
Oh right it was a bunch of Muslim extremists who killed people because they didn’t like a joke.
I know you haven’t killed anyone yet, but it starts somewhere. You simply can not exclude anything from comedy, either its all ok or none of it is. If you’re that offended by this joke, move to China. They’re like you, they think it’s important to realize the impact words can have on people and they think certain words are derogatory or offensive and shouldn’t be used just like you two. You’d love it, they tell people what they and can’t say and nobody ever gets offended in China anymore. It’s a paradise where everyone respects each other and doesn’t hurt each others’ feelings with things like freedom of personal expression and art. It’s perfect for you two.
Actually, this was quite funny.
ps this joke was great and nazani youre name sounds like nazi
LKL said:
Precisely.
And to me, the joke is forgiveable, but the toxic sentiments (not to mention the more benign, yet epic, surge of mansplaining) that fester in this thread are not.
And to me, the joke is awesome, but the batsh*t insane arguments (not to mention the more benign, yet epic, surge of palin-esque-fake-outrage-estrogen) that fester in this thread are not, they’re just comedy gold.
Oh and you’re not really the type of person I want forgiving me. You haven’t even figured out that lkl and nazani won’t sleep with you for defending them. Creepy.
“Mansplaining”? That’s a very awesome mad up word, and I entirely look forward to using it in daily conversation, although I’d more likely be on the receiving end. “I didn’t mean the dress made you look fat honey, just that the other one made you look slim!” “Quit your mansplaining and go buy me flowers.”
seconded, mansplaining might be my new favorite word
That is indeed an awesome word.
[goes back to watching and laughing from the sidelines]
Oi, I’m a woman and I didn’t find anything remotely offensive in this. Can I femsplain?
(Since, y’know, the boys are mansplaining. And that’s not sexist at all, nooooo sir.)
Why? Because words don’t offend me. I’ve thicker skin than that. Sticks and stones and all that jazz. Because IMAGINARY things don’t hurt me. Because I can see the difference between fact and fiction.
Shocking, I know.
Maybe we can get some bothsplaining to help me understand something.
Never in my life has the insults of a stranger offended me. Call me names, talk about my sexuality, what was going on last night with my mother, physical flaws, nothing like that affects me. The only people able to hurt me are those whose opinions I value… and I have to REALLY value their opinions, and they have to REALLY be trying to hurt my feelings.
How does one take offense to such things? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.
But what’s more…
How the f*ck is it that someone can get offended at a joke, told by a stranger, about an IMAGINARY PERSON being called a b*tch? It just defies all logic and reason… I can’t stop thinking about how weak and pathetic they must be. Like the slow antelope in the pack that would get taken down by the predators. Is it an evolutionary thing? Was I spot-on about them being defective?
I prefer to think the joke is only about the woman, not animal cruelty in any way. Who said the train was moving? “Bound for” doesn’t necessarily mean “moving toward”. Perhaps it was still in the train yard surrounded by a nice field of soft, green grass.
Definitely only the woman. Definitely…
Apparently I didn’t read far enough and someone else already made a similar comment on April 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm. Thanks a lot “growup”. 8)
Hey, nazani,
After reading your comments, I originally did think you were a bitch, but then I read the detailed comment about your life, which no one asked about.
It dawned upon me that you’re just a conceited cunt.
One time I farted and a tiny bit of gravy squirted out.
Feminists make me hate being a women.
Feminists are the reason why you have any right at all and you are not anymore considered a possession of your father/husband. And there is still some job to do.
It’s a joke…not even a bad one. My great grandma would enjoy that and she’s the nicest woman I know. Some people should get off the internet otherwise you’ll be in for one hell of time.
I love everything about this thread.
after i read this joke, i started demeaning women more. thanks for the support, joke.
This is exactly what is wrong with our society. At one point in time, people could tell jokes, and people would laugh at them. Nowadays, everyone has to be ‘offended’ be everything. Everyone has to play the victim. Everyone is entitles to their own belief system. If you don’t like it, instead of having sprawling comment battles with strangers who don’t and will never share your viewpoint, just leave the site, and don’t read any more of the jokes by this user. Is that so fucking hard? Instead of crying for justice and womens’ rights over a simple joke that was meant as a play on words, not a gender bash, just fucking leave! Or call the ACLU and whine to them, they love villianizing anything that’s not PC and making whiners look like victims. Enjoy hating life and being a prude, Nazani. And enjoy no one loving you, because no one could stand a humorless abrasive, whining cunt like you. There, now why don’t you use that to fuel your feminazi fire
Woww, my oh my people do need to lighten up!
I’m female, AND I’m a vegetarian.. And I still laughed at this JOKE. Why? Because it’s a JOKE.
There’s sod all wrong with the word bitch. The word bitch is used because it’s a female dog, which is the correct terminology for a female dog, and who cares if women are called bitches? There are plenntty of words to describe people, both male and female. The people getting offended are just being silly, who cares if the woman was being called a bitch? She WAS one lol. It’s not a general entire hit at all women on earth, and even if it was; it’d be true! Every woman is at some point in her life a total bitch, just like every man a total dick. It’s all fair play really! Now I’m off to make someone a sandwich ;)
Do any of you realize you just wasted a portion of your life arguing over a joke? I’m not going to publish my opinion on whether or not it was funny, because as sure as day someone would find something to argue. The point is, its meant to be a joke. You don’t have to publish novels on why it is or is not funny, then argue with dissenting opinions. Its a waste of your life.
For those that are interested in commenting on how I’m also wasting some of my life, I know. I have decided to come down from my stately position to try to save you ordinary wo/men’s lives… (sarcasm)
An exchange of ideas and perspectives, there are worse things to waste portions of your life on.
Kind of funny. Also, ludicrous commentary mates; almost as funny as the joke.
We all have to find ways to make our existence more palatable, and you’re never going to be completely inoffensive unless you wish to squelch the liberty that free-will allows. Just like EVERYONE else who gets attacked in jokes you have to learn how to deal with it. You don’t have to like it; I assure you I don’t enjoy being lumped into the stereotype of being a thoughtless, sex-driven, misogynistic, robot just because I share it’s gender. But, you and I will have to tolerate it. Besides, it isn’t about us, it’s about an extreme that very few people fit into; and if you find it offensive that may speak more about your own nature than that of the joke.
A Jew, a Polack and a harelip Midget walk into a bar…………..
Now that’s funny
Not very funny
Wow…. a simple joke, tasteless, but simple, and still funny, can generate so much antagonistic diatribes….. wow. I didn’t even try to read all of it.
PEOPLE!!!!!!
Just like religion, not all things can be accepted by all people. But, however, ALL people can be critical of EVERYTHING, ALL THE TIME.
If you are guiltless of bad taste, improper thoughts, and negative comments, then you can be critical of others. Otherwise, please, stone throwing is not going to make anything better, or make anyone change their mind. Each one is entitled to their feelings, and opinions. And, they are entitled to share them. But, no one, and this is a truth; NO ONE IS PERFECT. So, maybe you ALL should let others have their opinions, hear them, and take them for what they are.
Then, you may be able to find the humor in a simple joke. And, maybe, just maybe, you may see that even if it offended you, it was unintentional, and can forgive, and let it be.
Not a sermon, just a thought.
Reading the comments here was actually more humorous than reading the joke. There are actually still people in the world like Nazani? Now that’s hilarious. A bitch is a dog. I can think of a lot worse things in the world than to be called a bitch. I can think of a lot worse male equivalents. Nazani, do you also write to the producers of Bugs Bunny cartoons in protest? Because they advocate animal cruelty much more than this joke. If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite, and your opinion does not matter. Oh wait. Your opinion doesn’t matter anyway. You, my dear, are never going to change society because society scoffs at your irrational extremism. You don’t matter.
Let me begin by saying that i very much enjoyed this JOKE and would like to thank daniel for posting it. Secondly i apologize for watering down the number of originals by being a “stumbler”. I have spent the last 30 mins painstakingly reading every last comment on this page. It has cost me all the nails on my right hand (i felt the need to share that, although it is a completely non-related point). I myself find that i agree quite heartily with the “It’s only a joke” and “It’s NOT feminists” side of the argument, nor do i believe that it condones violence or the callous use of off-colour language. I would agree that the fictional british woman was being disrespectful(if not just rude and selfish), as well as unpleasant and difficult (which is one of the definitions of Bitch (look it up)). So the use of the term bitch is not out of place. Especially due to the fact that it garners laughter from the people reading it who HAVE a sense of humour. All the while we must remember that this is a JOKE, and being such, it can be defined as “a triviality not to be taken seriously”. So people who take this seriously miss the point of a joke. A fact that has come up numerous times. A few other things i would like to say is that Nazani posted far to infrequently for my liking as it was her posts that made me chuckle most of all. Also i agree with growup and anyone else who stated that the dog could be perfectly fine for all we know. BUT a few points that EVERYBODY missed were, what kind of dog was it? cause that could seriously influence what i thought of throwing it out the window, and what was that british woman doing out of the kitchen in the first place…? Thats the REAL question. Teehee… my apologies to everyone, i seriously debated about say that nearly the entire time i was reading these posts, but let me simply add that i am in no way sexist, it just seemed crudely humorous due to the situation and topic of conversation…. NOW! i believe i have spent quite enough time on this silly page and am going to continue stumbling till the night is young… Ciao all of you intelligent peoples!
P.S im serious, im very impressed with the quality and level of writing found in some of these posts! Especially Elemenope right off that bat… very impressive.
nazani14, look at this. this is me. read me. i read EVERY SINGLE POST so far, have you?
nazani14, seriously, i am not the kind of person to judge anyone, anywhere. I think justice and respect are essential part in our lives and construction of time. really. I have seen many things, met many people, and everything is just so young. SHIT. we live in a fucking amazing world full of all the kind of amazing and disgusting shit both… take it easy, have some fun. do yourself a favor, DON”T BE THIS FUCKING TROLL. if I was to get upset every time someone made a joke about my sex change I would not have a life. you can be better than that, please, you are just giving ammo to your own execution. WE ALL UNDERSTOOD YOU, and I am very sorry you cant see that some times life it self is a fucking bitch.
=)
ow, yeah, sorry for my shitty english folks…
I gues its harder to communicate when the only world you can really spell and understand is the world ‘FUCK’.
XD
wat