I’m pretty conflicted about religion. On the one hand, I’m a huge fan of abortion. I like performing them, getting them, watching them, you name it. Then again, I think Communion wafers are delicious.
Conflicted About Religion
June 2, 2010 By 42 Comments
Are the wafers only delicious if they’ve been blessed?
Of course! Saying magic words give them their amazing flavour.
They taste extra fleshy that way!
Communion wafers are kinda tasty; but then again, my tastes do run towards the bland.
LMAO!
I just recently started drinking red wine and the first time I took a sip, the first thing it reminded me of was communion. Unless my taste memory sucks, that blood tastes just like wine!
No communion wine I have had tastes much like wine.
But then again, it’s all pretty diluted.
If you can pull it off, you can get wine tax free in Canada. You just need to convince the seller that your’e using it for communion.
This is the blood of christ? man, he must have been loaded 24-7!
Jesus can’t pass a Breathalyzer.
Wine is about 10%, for mere mortals the legal limit for driving is .08%
Good thing Jesus is only peoples’ co-pilot, he’s a more than a hundred times over and should not be driving.
Has anyone ever heard an argument against abortion that wasn’t religiously based?
I found a blog on the intertubes awhile back with a guy who claimed to be an atheist and anti-choice. I tried to nail him down on why he held the position, but he was really evasive. The blog is down now.
The reason I ask has to do with the US constitution. If a law were ever passed conferring person hood upon a fetus, I think a good case could be made that it was a violation of the Establishment Clause. If the basis for claiming someone is a person is rooted in religion, then you can’t make that into codified law.
Sure, there are non-theistic arguments against abortion; they generally center around making a philosophical argument about that status of a fetus as a person in which inheres some right to continue existing. Personally I find them unconvincing, but they certainly do exist and are argued for seriously.
I should have qualified that with ‘convincing’ argument. I’ve heard people use the statistics of depression and guilt after abortion. I think that’s clearly a societal issue, not a biological issue. Hypothetically, if we treated abortion with the same social stigma as taking antibiotics for a bacterial infection, I doubt there would be many emotional issues following abortion. I think that all of the negative effects (other than the real trauma of the occasional botched abortion) would be non-existent.
well, yes, social stigma is a factor. There is a hell of a lot of wiring in the female brain to reproduce and to carry to term though, based on such stigmas… and actually, you’re dealing with chemistry and hormonal changes in the woman’s body regardless. any loss of a pregnancy comes with a side effect. The emotional side effects of abortion (while some argue are religious) are also based on the some of the same emotional struggles a female has if she isn’t wired with that maternal instinct so to speak.
That being said, termination of a pregnancy can occur early enough that not too much of that would be relevant. Many women lose pregnancies and aren’t even aware of it. A lot of the impact goes to the knowledge and of course, timing.
Well yes, we are animals. But we’re overpopulated.
*but we’ve also overpopulated the Earth.
Meh. Most population projections have us leveling off at 12-14 Billion, which is a sustainable population.
But we’re messy, unlike other species, and we poop everywhere.
In societies where there isn’t a massive political and social movement opposed to abortion, negative emotional effects following abortion are almost unheard of. Even in places like America, they are far less common than anti-abortion activists claim.
The obvious (but not sole) interpretation is that such negative effects are overwhelmingly caused by social pressure.
Exactly. Fundies love to play up the “sin” of a person and then offer them the Jesus pill to solve it. There are no scientific studies that conclusively show that the trauma experienced by a *SMALL* number of women is anything but religion induced guilt. Therefore, it is not actually the abortion that traumatized the women, but the reaction of people around them. Women free from such guilt are fine.
I don’t think that well explains women’s testimony from cultures that do not have much religious social pressure re: Abortion.
What women’s testimonies? Do you have a link?
Perhaps you’re referring to the Chinese?
They would be one example, though that is complicated in a different direction by state pressure.
And I should hasten to add that the psychological effect, whatever it may be, clearly doesn’t rise to the level of “trauma” causative of PTSD or anything similar. That *is* pure propaganda, with no medical basis.
Well, that is what I’m referring to. Some (politically motivated) doctors have tried to get post-abortion trauma to be a recognized disorder on the level of PTSD.
So perhaps we are in “violent” agreement here. LOL!!!
“Has anyone ever heard an argument against abortion that wasn’t religiously based?”
My argument against abortion is not based on theism at all. But, it also is not an argument against the law. However, I could certainly argue my position AND include the law as well.
And it would have zero to do with theism, personhood, or whatnot.
And it is solid.
I should say, I could also argue the opposing side as well.
Throw down elizabethdamaro! I want to hear it!
“I have a marvellous proof against abortion, but this comment box is too narrow to contain it”
It is supposed to be solid, but it took several pages on forums to extract the damn tooth, and by then, everyone was exhausted, pissed off, and no longer cared.
Gee. And I thought it was just me.
;P
Groupthinker.
if only Jesus had been able to work cheese into it somewhere…
That would be the entire Christian religion.
Try spreading a bit of fetus on the wafer – extra yummy!
The difference between communion wine and the wine you buy to drink is that the church has enough time to get a cat to balance on top of the bottle.
The church I went to used Hawaiian Bread. Mmmmm…. So tasty.
Matzah is yummy.
Matzah > some of the suspicious-looking bread at the church I used to attend….
A great Colbert moment.
[raises hand] “-so help me, Jay and Silent Bob.”
When I was a kid, we had one of the church women make tiny tea biscuits as communion wafers. They were DELICIOUS. After church, I would go to the back and help myself (I was always hungry after church – my dad was a pastor and would spend a long time talking to people, even though his family was hungry & it was lunchtime).
Anyway, I felt so guilty because i knew I was eating jesus body, and enjoying it for the flavour and not for the spiritual aspect. (I must have been about 6 or 7 years old). I thought for sure I would go to hell for this. I finally fessed up to my dad, who kind of chuckled at my consternation. I was suprised by this, because he had repeatedly said that it was a serious sin not to take communion seriously.
Oh, and I have never had the pleasure of watching an abortion so I am unable to comment on that.