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I don’t remember that. It must be one of those things that Fox snips out before airing. The Mother’s Day card was too funny!
This is from the newest one. I’m not sure if you saw it. The full one is available online with this scene included.
Abortions should be for free at Wal-Mart!
All teenage girls should be required to get abortions!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
A baby inside of it? Homunculus theory ftw…
Really, if you believed a “person” died every time a fertilized egg cashed in, you’d have some sort of memorial service every time a married woman had a period, just in case. Hallmark cards is missing a marketing niche, not to mention the Precious Moments micro-urns for those 1st trimester miscarriages.
Cue the hordes of crazy, drive-by Christofascists posting inanities in 3…2…1…
Funny, I’m a die hard atheist and yet i do not think it appropriate to kill other humans. Imagine being put to death with no trial and no jury just because you were small, young and poor and could not hire a lawyer and defend yourself?
Imagine being put to death with no trial and no jury just because you’re female and someone raped you and the pregnancy ended up ectopic. Or imagine any other scenario where an actual, conscious person would be killed or made to suffer horribly (and their other children possibly made to starve) just because some people get this weird idea that a zygote is a person and has the right to habeus corpus.
VidLord, what in the hot hell are you talking about? Make a point–a sensible one, please.
I’m glad you used the word imagine. Because you have to imagine it, because its not happening right now.
True. I guess I “imagine” myself into the unborn being or creature itself. So let’s say “I” was Einstein to be or his equivalent – I put myself into that little ball of cells I guess. Now let’s say “I” was destroyed due to a rape situation. I agree these circumstances are difficult and may simply warrant such an outcome. But “I” per say, did not know about the rape situation or the circumstances surrounding it. Of course I can see the logical reasoning for why “I” was destroyed but “I” had nothing to do with the rape or the circumstances surrounding it. Even though “I” came to be due to these bad happenings – “I” still am! I guess that’s where I come from – I put myself into the little zygote and yes “imagine” myself as being IT. I think that is where a lot of abortion activists come from however I am extremely far from that extreme. I can see where they acquire their passion from – they are the zygote. That is why you see such extremism.
You’re projecting. The aborted creature has no consciousness. It never knows it was aborted so it doesn’t have any feelings at all about the situation. Unless you believe it is a spirit being somewhere, I guess.
Abortion is one of those unfortunate instances where the question is complex and there is no easy answer. However, I think if the tables were turned, and men were the ones who got pregnant, we’d find far fewer men who consider the non-existant feelings of a zygote as important as the rights of a man to his own body.
Considering if a woman were to find herself pregnant, the man she was with very often strongly suggests or insists on an abortion because having a baby would ruin his life, financially. If you think the majority of men would choose to have the baby and the woman takes that away from him by choosing abortions, you would probably be very mistaken. Men pressure women to have abortions, this is not a rape situation. Men do not seem to get caught up in this “murderer” scenario, or have any stigma attached to them. It is the “woman’s choice” to respond to pressure. Maybe it is what she really wanted. Society gives women the right to choose, and the stigma that goes with that choice. Men do not have to be able to get pregnant to really really be in favor of an abortion as per their personal situation. That’s not to say some men would disagree with a woman’s choice to abort, but nobody really talks about what men would do with the choice unless they are at odds with the woman’s choice. When women do not abort, count how many deadbeat dads there are who deny the obligation toward the baby when it is born. In my observation, men would choose abortions perhaps even more emphatically than women in the majority of cases. Many tend to flee from the responsibility, and it’s not a part of their body; they have no feelings for it and they wish it undone.
“That’s not to say some men wouldn’t disagree with a woman’s….”
I think that makes the sense I intended now.
What Kodie said.
Why Einstein? It’s equally (nay, more) likely it would be the next Ted Bundy or the next Stalin. Hell, imagine this: you’re a kid. You’re unloved, unwanted. You might be abused or live in abject poverty. You’re considered utterly unspecial, so much your mother considered to abort – but didn’t out of guilt. Maybe you’re raised in an orphanage.
That is, if she doesn’t just abandon you in the nearest trash can, or river.
If that’s not a recipe for a serial killer…
Or even more likely that asshole who cut you off in traffic this afternoon. :)
Absolutely. Look around you, how many Einsteins or Hitlers are there who didn’t get aborted? Why these pro-lifers argue that just because humans have potential, we’re tragically disposing of the greatest minds and hearts left and right, when the first thing you know is that these pregnancies are unwanted. You think you’re going to want them any better when they’re grown adults? Spare me on the “but adoption!” arguments either. It seems more than enough adoptive parents (going by the agencies who strongly discourage abortion and lead would-be aborters to their adoption brokerages) are going to raise another fundie — they may want that kid but the rest of us don’t need any more fundies than we already have.
True that!
Those lil’ assholes… bet they honk too.
Go right ahead; put yourself “into the little zygote.” In that regard, you’d have no consciousness, no personality, no sentience to even know what was happening to “you,” as there’s no “you” yet.
If one put themselves ‘into that zygote’ they’d have to also do that for every cell of their body that they shed throughout the day as each of those cells has just as much potential to be another human being – given the right process and circumstances (cloning) – as those few cells that make up a zygote. That’s absurd thinking IMO. Why should the tiny blob of cells – zygote – be any more important that the dandruff on your head?
And yet, everyone knows or has known at least one person who hasn’t, by choice, taken a wet washcloth to themselves in about 6 months.
As has been covered, zygotes have no consciousness or feelings, so putting yourself into their shoes gives you no basis for having any desires on their behalf. Women, on the other hand, do have feelings and express them quite readily. I have to ask what makes it ‘difficult’ to think of their needs over some cells.
Besides, do you ever think yourself into the little germs you are killing when you use antibiotics for an infection?
Besides, do you ever think yourself into the little germs you are killing when you use antibiotics for an infection?
It has occurred to me, on occasion. I recall a speech by a character in a sci-fi show (IIRC, Babylon 5?), noting that it is likely there are beings in the universe who would fulfill the analogy [being:humanoid::humanoid:insect]. We have hopes and dreams and so-forth, but to such a being, we’d be so beneath notice that they might accidentally squish a hundred of us and not think twice, much as we might squish a bug.
This is not to say that bacteria have some hidden rich internal life, but it does make one pause all the same. Human rhetoric about life across the board comes across as disingenuous, due to the highly differential and seemingly arbitrary nature of the rubric we use to judge when something is living actually matters.
Am I the only one here who finds it ridiculous that you seem to have a much easier time trying to “Imagine” being a zygote than you do being the woman being forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy, and all the complications that go with it?
VidLord, I doubt you’re really an atheist. I think you’re being a troll.
I wouldn’t say that – to be atheist doesn’t necessitate a pro-choice position. However, it does leave someone with the awkward question of where they get their anti-choice position from.
Your appendix is alive too, so where was its right when you ordered the doctor to remove it?
Maybe we should start a anti-appendix removal campaign too?
“Imagine being put to death with no trial and no jury just because you were small, young and poor and could not hire a lawyer and defend yourself?”
Oh, you mean like George Tiller?
No trial, no jury, and unable to hire a lawyer to defend himself when he was brutally gunned down by a raving Christian fundamentalist. In front of his family, as they were leaving their community’s church.
Not hard to imagine at all.