This Bible worshiper calls me a “brain worshiper” and gives me “factual scientific evidence” for “God’s Word.” He ends with a warning for me “shape up” otherwise God will “humble me.” Good stuff!
I learned all this stuff the second day of Sunday School, and I’m assuming he learned the same “facts” from there as well…
Hello brain worshiper,
Just curious what your take is on God’s Word. Here’s some factual scientific evidence (the stuff pseudo-scientists don’t have for proof of evolution).1. It was written by over 20 different authors who didn’t all know what the other was writing, and yet, there are no contradictions.
2. There are many prophecies in the Bible that have been fulfilled, and none that have been wrong.
3. There are many verses that were way ahead of science in their day. For example, Leviticus 17:11 says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. 300 years ago, doctors would drain the blood of patients if they had a decease. This is how George Washington died.
4. The Bible has been better preserved than any ancient text. Let me encourage you to look into the Textus Receptus (latin for received text). It is was taken from over 5,000 manuscripts that were found from various places throughout the world. These manuscripts were copies from copies from copies, and yet they were all almost identical. The only differences were the spellings of the names of places and some people. The Greek N.T. has been much better preserved than any ancient text. It is either a very big coincidence that these manuscripts lined up with each other, or there was a God behind all of it. There is also another Greek text called Wescott and Hort’s text. These two people were scholars who were into talking to the dead and other Satanic things. Many of the Modern versions of the Bible were taken from this text and that is why you get all the fraud. The King James Bible however was translated from the Textus Receptus along with the use of the Geneva Bible, and the Bishops Bible. Don’t take my word for it. Google some of this stuff, and you’ll be amazed at how the Bible has been preserved.
There is nobody who is for truth and reason more than God because God is the ultimate truth. I highly encourage you to do a sincere study about the Word of God. I only gave you four evidences, but there are many more. I just don’t have time right now to expound. You need to do some sincere seeking for the truth, and leave your bias out of it.
Ask God to reveal Himself to you if you can without giving Him an attitude. He only abases a haughty attitude, and mark my word, He will humble you if you don’t shape up. Hopefully, it won’t be too late for you to wake up to reality. God will mock those who mock Him, and He’s much better at it than you are. I know you get a lot of warnings, but I would feel irresponsible if I didn’t warn you too.
One word: IDIOT.
God is going to mock those who mock him? — Let me throw in a short mock for this writer…what a birdbrain!
Birdbrain worshiper?
Right. No biblical author had read any previous book in their religious tradition, even though they frequently directly referenced earlier books.
Isaiah 23 says that the city of Tyre will be destroyed, never to be rebuilt. Today, it’s one of the biggest cities in the Palestine. Matthew 1:23 says that Mary and Joseph will name their baby “Emmanuel”.
Yeah, it’s inconceivable that a tribe that made its living by animal husbandry and the occasional war would have any reason to think it’s possible for someone to bleed to death. No-one could possibly think of that by themselves. Of course, this means that the Greek and Chinese gods must be even more real, because they figured out things like amputation and cauterisation.
Yes, blood-letting did used to be used as a medical intervention, but doctors of the day were hardly unaware of the risks of bleeding to death. Just as today, some people die during heart transplants without it meaning that modern doctors think you can live without a heart…
I detect a hint of highly appropriate sarcasm here. Carry on.
Washington died suddenly and without treatment from an illness of the throat at the age of 67. He did not undergo a blood letting any time immediately prior.
This does not affect dude’s argument*, but does show how willing he is to transmit falsehoods.
* Most peoples knew the value of blood long before the Torah was penned, being that which if you lose enough of it, you die. The bible was in no way ahead of its time in this respect. Blood letting was based on the idea that you could have two much of the stuff (being one of the four humours, and therefore subject to balance conditions) – but in no way suggested that you could do without it.
Yeah, I had no idea whether or not that claim was true, but it seemed so unimportant to the argument (even if Washington didn’t die in this fashion, other people *have* bled to death, some of them during medical procedures) that I couldn’t be bothered to look it up.
Actually…
“^ At least three modern medical authors (Wallenborn 1997, Shapiro 1975, Scheidemandel 1976) have concluded that Washington most probably died from acute bacterial epiglottitis complicated by the treatments given (all of which were accepted medical practice of that era). See Vadakan’s Footnotes to A Physician Looks at the Death of Washington for these references, also his article’s quotation of Doctors James Craik and Elisha C. Dick’s account in the Times of Alexandria(newspaper) of what happened during their treatment of Washington. These treatments included multiple doses of calomel as well as performing extensive bloodletting, with a total of 3.75 liters of blood taken and the massive deliberate blood-loss contributing to the additional serious complication of shock.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington#Death
And, perhaps surprisingly, blood letting as a positive therapy is conducted today as a means of treatment for Polycythemia Vera. Over a three year period 1000 ml of blood were removed from from my body every 6 weeks. My condition is incurable, but this treatment has kept my condition under control, and apparently in remission since I have not had to have blood taken from me in the last 6 months.
Well, polycythemia is literally an excess of erythrocytes, so it isn’t that surprising that the treatment is to remove some.
Then again, doctors used to believe diseases were caused by imbalanced humors, so I guess they thought those sick people had “too much blood” in some other sense.
I wish you open your heart to the Truth before it’s too late. All God wants his creation to do is love him thats why he gave us free will so we could choose. without a choice it wouldnt be love. The worlds turned it’s back on God and it wont be long before it faces judgement. But as individuals we still have a choice.
Funny how a fourteen billion year old universe only heard about your “god” a couple of thousand years ago.
When your god stops threatening to torment people for all eternity if they don’t love him, we might find him a bit more appealing.
This would be more noteworthy if only believers like you hadn’t been saying this crap for the last 2000 years.
And will no doubt continue to do in the millenia to come.
The world has always been coming to an end. There’s a 4800 year old Assyrian clay tablet complaining about how moral corruption is a sure sign of the impending end of the world.
This is so typical. Your Bible Worshiper just throws out these statements that they’ve convinced themselves of but are not even close to the truth. For example: 20 writers and no contradictions. This is so far from the truth that it almost doesn’t deserve a response. No matter what I could retort with, they have standard BS responses. But I believe the Bible contradicts itself in many areas. Just Google “Bible Contradictions” and you can find all kinds of stuff. I wrote a book about my experience because I got tired of having to defend myself to my family and friends who are willing to give the Bible more grace than it gives them. In the end, an honest, inquiring mind spots problems with the Bible that makes it seek more information. These closed minded Christian robots aren’t honest or inquiring, they just live to perpetuate the ideas they’ve committed themselves to, whether they make sense or not.
“there are no contradictions.”
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html
Since when does “no” mean 1,524?
Unfortunately, about 1200 of those are either deliberately missing the point, trivial, or not really errors at all.
Don’t get me wrong, there are some major contradictions on the bible, but a lot of those listed at SAB are too superficial for my liking. There have been a couple of attempts to rate them by their significance, but not completely enough for my liking.
I agree that we should concentrate on the biggies that call for serious mental acrobatics to reconcile, but I do think that even the trivial ones are worth being aware of for their cumulative effect. People think that the bible is perfect and holy – and it clearly isn’t. That’s the message.
If brain worship is wrong, why don’t they submit to lobotomies? Formally, I mean?
In that case “brain worshipper” seems a strange pejorative.
Will there ever come a day or message where a believer will have something new and compelling to offer? Because as we all know, they have not yet done such and experience suggests that they can not do such a thing.
My mind is officially boggled. The inanity of and the ignorance evinced by this diatribe is positively stupefying!
just accept God with no attitude, LOL!
here is the best part, “God mocks those who mock him….” LOL!
aw man this is funny.
almost as funny as Baby Doc Duvalier’s public statement after returning to Haiti.
Baby Doc Duvalier at least has a very straightforward and logical reason for spouting his BS. He wants to get his hands on some of the money that he expropriated years ago, that the Swiss government is about to hand back to Haiti.
Send this idiot Nox’s “wall of text” posts. Seriously — someone needs to compile Nox’s stuff and make it one of those things you point people to as predicate for discussing anything with these cretins.
This idiot probably wouldn’t be able to make it through the first “wall of text,” much less the subsequent two. He/she would likely begin doing some sort of exorcism dance over his/her computer in order to get the demon of SMRT out of the CPU.
I genuinely did laugh out loud at this. If you do a search for scientific truths in the Bible (or the Koran, indeed), you can turn up huge lists of this sort of thing, and they’re stupendously laughable. The believers seem to imagine that nobody 2000 years ago knew… anything. Even basic things like, sometimes the wind blows from one direction, and sometimes from another. Wow, how could those primitive people have possibly known? They must have been told by God!
Yeah, I call it the “Jews are morons” defence.
“The other day, I saw a Jew tying his shoelaces! How do you explain how he was capable of doing that, if not for a miracle? God must exist!
What does it even mean, “the life of the flesh is in the blood?” Is “life of the flesh” a euphemism for oxygen? Blood isn’t the only substance necessary for our life. I mean, primitive organisms don’t even have blood.
I would be more impressed if it had said, “the life of the flesh is in the cytosol.”
1 Peter 4:17 “humbling begins at the household of God…”.
Matthew 7:1-3
Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
By whom?
By a guy named Fat Tony, from Jersey. He subcontracts all of god’s judging work. It just doesn’t make fiscal sense for god to do it himself anymore.
And Fat Tony’s Eternal Judgments and Humblings is a first rate operation.
The Mahwah Fat Tony or the Fort Lee Fat Tony? I’ve heard it makes a big difference.
I thought it was these guys who work for Hank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ
Matthew 7: even as a principle it works. without the need for God. the way in which you pre-load questions/comments/judgements implicitly gives away your value system and this then becomes the default way in which people talk back to you.
don’t be hoisted by your own petard.
judgements are measure for measure
1 Peter 4:17 is used as a xtian colloquial term for sort your self out first.
to Bible Worshiper. There was no threat intended.
Excellent advice for the person who sent an unsolicited email to a complete stranger giving unasked for religious advice.
Not for the people taunting that person.
You are aiming your bible gun at the wrong people, DesignO.
Don’t you read? Don’t you get it? Quoting from the written works of any particular mythology is ineffectual, uncompelling, weak, ludicrous, and unconvincing to any people who do not believe that particular mythology.
true.But I was addressing Bible Worshiper
Ah, so.
Never mind then. Continue firing your bible gun.
Yep. And I particularly liked “Sort yourself out first.”
Seriously, christians: you’re a goddamned mess, and you’re a sorry excuse for anything that has a god on his side.
He ends with a warning for me “shape up” otherwise God will “humble me.”
It’s something to be accused of not being humble by someone who thinks they have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe.
I hate reading these things because, as entertaining as they are, I always end up getting mad and want to find the guy and school his ass.
These people will soon become the number one cause of school shootings.
Every religion teaches its adherents to be ‘humble’. Every religion ends up convincing them that they are the centre of the Universe, are one of the few to be saved, and know exactly what God is thinking. And this is supposed to be humility.
RDRR.
Well, the monotheistic religions, anyway.
I stand duly corrected.
I love how these Bible-worshippers toss around names such as “Textus Receptus” without having the slightest clue what they really are. If she knew what the T.R., she would know how deficient it is and she would also know that it’s no longer used as a critical edition of the N.T.
Yeah, I think he actually thinks the “text” was “received” from Jesus.
I can see that most of the things I wanted to say about this god-tard has already been said…..
as you were,
A Strident Brain Worshipper
If all of the raptured fundies go upward toward heaven, which direction do they go? What I mean is, upward from Australia is the opposite direction or upward from the United States. Upward from China is not the same as upward from South Africa or
South America. So they are all moving apart as they all move together toward heaven.
Heaven is obviously part of the expanding universe.
Science makes predictions & Religion fakes prophecies
• Science makes predictions.
On the Net today appear the precise time, precise duration, exact places on the Earth from which the next 50 years of total solar eclipses will be visible. These formerly terrifying events — a monster eating the sun — were tamed by accurate astronomical theory. Now, total solar eclipses have become a tourist attraction.
Current geology, however, cannot predict precisely when a still terrifying event, a killer quake, will hit San Francisco. It can offer no better than a probable, but meaningful prediction — there is a better than 50% chance that an earthquake of magnitude 7.0 or greater will strike SF within the next 30 years.
Being a meaningful empirical prediction, the statement provides — in advance — its own parameters for failure. It specifies a time limit, it specifies the severity expected, and it provides an estimated probability for the event.
Nevertheless, a killer quake must happen eventually since SF floats atop a boundary between two tectonic plates grinding past one another. Cause there ain’t no grind without a bump.
• Religion fakes prophecies.
Contrast an empty gesture of xian fiction — its most ballyhooed, long anticipated “fulfillment” of scripture. Jesus in his featured role as Christ-Cosmic-Avenger® will return to Earth, raise the dead, judge all humanity past and present, and send each person to her or his ultimate, eternal state of being.
Ask fundies; they’ll tell you that this prophecy is 100% certain. “The Apocalypse” must happen; it is a core dogma of fundie bibliolatry. (Moreover, ancient credal statements still mouthed by xians of all stripes every day, reaffirm the centrality of revenge as xian motivation.) Millions of otherwise outwardly sane people in the US believe this dishonest, harmful nonsense, quite literally.
On what non-scriptural basis can their claim be justified? Not even an alleged “holy” text can justify its own statements.
• Prophesying is lying
Prophecy never predicts anything because prophecies lack falsifying conditions. Under what conditions — specifiable in advance — would a fundie say that a xian prophecy had failed?
“The Apocalypse” just never shows up. Attempts to fix a date for xian/jewish/zoroastrian apocolypses have proved wrong for the last 3,200 years. When is enough is enough? Never. The revelation of saint John the divine resonates as one core Big Lie of xian faith-based irrationality.
Just remember, though, that the “End Times” are always upon us because “signs” like earthquakes and total solar eclipses demonstrate the “acts of God” in nature.
Is the “Rapture” about to rid Earth of all fundies? Really? As they levitate away, can they take their damned bibles with them?
There are altogether no supernatural phenomena, only supernatural interpretations of phenomena.
the anti_supernaturalist
Tell this simpleton that use of something does not equate to worship of it.
The term “worship” is his or her own coined word, chosen on the basis of an emotional storm, not involving any process of thinking. It is a maelstrom of mixed fear, anger, and excitement which process is glandular and hormonal, in response to fixed internal images, sounds, and words, and not the result of thinking. It is designed to manipulate the listener into whipping up a similar emotional storm.
Emotions only go as far as the brain stem, if they go that far, and cut off the process of cortical thinking and reasoning.
This is what a jejune fathead calling the use of a brain “worship” wants to accomplish.
So when I say to tell that idiot that he/she is not using his/her brain, and therefore he/she cannot comment on brain use because he/she has no experience with it, I am not exaggerating.
Forward Nox’s wall of text to him. All of it.
I especially like number 4, as I am currently in the process of reading Bart Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus”, which specifically deals with how poorly the bible verses are preserved from the original texts.