Ladies and Gentlemen, Jack Schaap

Jack Schaap, truly a Fundy’s Fundy, demonstrating how to polish a rod, while men in identical suits sit behind him trying not to stare at the perverse lunatic.

To the surprise of no one except those at First Baptist Church of Hammond, Jack Schaap is in trouble for sexual abuse. According to the Chicago Tribune, the FBI is investigating Schaap for a sexual relationship with an underaged girl. This has led to his ouster from the megachurch and set the Independent Baptist community back a step.

Those blogs that keep an eye on American fundamentalism have long seen this coming. Jeri at Blog on the Way has compiled an extensive list of stories relating to sexual abuse tied to First Baptist of Hammond and the associated Hyles-Anderson College. Stuff Fundies Like caught wind of the story back when Schaap was placed on “indefinite medical leave,” a code phrase for “about to be fired.” And Bruce Gerencser provides analysis of the legacy of Jack Hyles, Schaap’s father-in-law and former pastor of First Baptist. All three blogs have been following the story extensively and are worth a general read besides.

  • Dutchhobbit

    What did I just watch?

  • Custador

    What the actual Lithium needing fuck?!

  • vasaroti

    If the men behind him are trying not to stare, they’re failing miserably.
    I’d love to read an interview with his father-in-law and his wife.

    • eabanda

      His father-in-law is deceased and was actually the closest man to God I’ve ever sen, unlike his son-in-law D-bag…. I still love God and believe the Bible, no matter what! But I think Jack was used by the devil himself.

  • Kelly

    More like Jack Fap amirite?

    • Nown For Years

      Jack Full of Crap

  • Ken

    No matter how you interpret this, the man is a frickin’ idiot. I can’t believe those “nine good men” standing behind him never saw the sex charges coming — good ol’ Jack was certainly sending the signals. Polishing his rod, indeed.

  • Tony Cisneros

    [Jesus couldn't save this post]

    • TrickQuestion

      Caps lock isn’t anyone’s friend, tony, you homosexual-hating, bigoted, ,racist son of a bitch.

      • TrickQuestion

        Oh, and here;s one word you guys love to throw around.
        ADULTERY.

      • Tony Cisneros

        [Jesus couldn't save this post]

        • Chantel

          You must not be quoting the King James Version, because I don’t recall ever reading that “gays” and trans-gender-pervs will have their place in the lake of fire. You should be careful Mr. Cisneros. God might strike you with the plagues for adding to His Words…Rev. 22:18: “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”

          • Tony Cisneros

            [Jesus couldn't save this post, because for every thing there is a season...except for this post. It is abomination!]

        • TrickQuestion

          You’re really hilarious. Thanks for providing us with a good laugh. I don’t think i’ve met anyone as truly ridicule worthy lately. There’s no merit in you, and you’re a lousy person. No amount of caps lock, failed political bids, “false” arrests or beatings in jail will do anything to change that.

          • FAGphucker

            Revelation of John 21:8
            But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

            Queers and sodomites are the “abominable” referred to in this verse; so yes, all faggots will burn in Hell. Call me a hater: you’re right, I hate homosexuality. Don’t call me a bigot: you weren’t born that way. This is totally different from racism. You CAN control your sexual behavior.

            • Kodie

              You can control your religious beliefs. The bible has no application to civil law and you haven’t proven anything like a god or a lake of fire. Until you give anyone a really good, really actual, proven reason why they should believe the same thing you believe, don’t try to affect civil liberties of others on this basis. You hate because you want to hate, and you’re a bigot because you’re ignorant. You can control your religious beliefs and you can choose to cling to them, and you can keep them on your own side of the fence. Nobody said you had to be gay, so don’t tell anyone they have to believe what your bible says.

            • TrickQuestion

              abominable also refers to shrimp and pork eaters.

            • Nox

              If I called you hateful, you wouldn’t understand why it’s an insult. How about I just call you an asshole.

              With all the recent examples of how dogmatic belief in the bible can turn well meaning people into assholes, it’s good to have a reminder that it can also turn people who are already assholes into assholes.

              So thanks for being on the wrong side of history, and for being so blatant about your ignorance that you can only possibly be an embarrassment to the christians defending their child molesting pastor on this thread.

              Now fuck off.

            • Custador

              Indeed. People like that do way more to create atheists than atheists ever could.

  • Chantel

    I frankly think the dispute over whether he broke any state or federal laws is irrelevant. He is a 54 year old married man who surely should not have been diddling a 16 or 17 year old, or 30 year old for that matter. The only person he should have been having sex with was his wife. Such a shame and disgrace although i am not surprised. This sort of thing is bound to happen when people are in positions of power, worshipped as gods and have little accountability. Male dominance is omnipresent in the IFB culture. They consistently “minister to” or “prey on” vulnerable populations and teach a “loyalty with no questions” approach to “God’s annointed.” As someone who grew up in an IFB church, I do believe there are plenty of sincere believers out there. Unfortunately, the way it’s set up just invites trouble and brings out the worst in even people who may have originally been well-intentioned. The pastors are always so angry. Jack Hyles used to preach at my church when i was a girl. He was worshipped at the God level by all of us. And i remember that he just yelled and screamed and threw chairs and kicked stuff over. Every other IFB pastor tried to emulate him by yelling and screaming about sin and how rock stars were all devil worshippers, blah blah blah. So glad God rescued me from that mess!

    • Nathan Davidson

      I grew up in that mess too, and all I gotta say is that I sure am glad I am no longer in that kind of environment.

    • Tony Cisneros

      [Jesus couldn't save this post because the Assyrians had chariots. God still hasn't figured out the chariot thing.]

      • Sunny Day

        Being called a moron looses all of its sting when informed by Caps Lock.

        • Tony Cisneros

          [Jesus is amused by your...no, wait, no he isn't. Non-existent things can't be amused. Nor can they stop things from...DELETED!]

          • JK

            First I thought it was a shame that I couldn’t read your earlier posts ([Jesus could not...]), but now I know better.
            Visit a psychiatrist as soon as possible before you hurt anyone.

  • Stony

    The Bruce Gerencser site is great reading, thanks. Crazy caps lock troll freak….eh, not so much.

    • Tony Cisneros

      [Jesus couldn't save this post]

  • Chantel

    MANY BIBLICAL SCHOLARS BELIEVE THE JOSEPH WAS IN HIS 60s & MARY WAS IN HER TEENS WHEN THEY HAD MARITAL-COPULATORY-RELATIONS AFTER THE “IMMACULATE CONCEPTION” OF CHRIST !

    Exactly…Marital relations! Jack Schaap was not having marital relations with the girl! And the verse you were previously referencing about gays having their place in the lake of fire. Did you forget that “whoremongers” or “sexually immoral” are also in that list? Jack Schaap = sexually immoral

    And I’m not actually an atheist. I didn’t even realize I was on an atheist blog. I have repented of my filthy sins and I believe in the true passover lamb. I don’t hate gays or atheists though.

    • FAGphucker

      Revelation of John 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      Queers and sodomites are the “abominable” referred to in this verse; so yes, all faggots will burn in Hell. Call me a hater: you’re right, I hate homosexuality. Don’t call me a bigot: you weren’t born that way. This is totally different from racism. You CAN control your sexual behavior.

  • dmat

    I visited this church and school a long time ago, I am so embarrassed to be associated with this cult! Also I just saw on youtube a video of Linda Hyles, the “black sheep” daughter of Jack Hyles, she tells about her coming out of all that crap, she seems like a very pleasant, smart, well spoken woman.

    • Tony Cisneros

      [Jesus couldn't save this post]

    • Chantel

      I just watched the video. You’re right. She is very well spoken. She appears radiant and at peace. I am very happy for her.

  • Tony Cisneros

    OH, AND BY THE WAY, A WORD OF TRUTH & HISTORY TO THE WISE:

    DR. JACK FRASIER HYLES WAS “JEWISH” TOO–AS WAS MOST OF HIS “STAFF” WHEN HE WAS PASTOR…[Nope, Jesus couldn't even save this one.]

    • TrickQuestion
      • Tony Cisneros

        [Aaron Burr. LOL. Jesus doesn't love Hamilton because...Aaron Burr. Nor does he love this post. DELETED!]

        • TrickQuestion

          Hey, you just threatened me online. That’s a crime. Let me just look up the number for the cook county authorities.
          Who knows. maybe some of your jail buddies will still be in there to welcome you back.

          • Tony Cisneros

            [Jesus couldn't save this post]

            • TrickQuestion

              Really? I guess you got to know them very well while you were in there on “false charges”.
              Sadly you’ve become boring, tiresome, and pathetic, so I’m just going to throw you into ignore and be on my way. I won’t even take a moment to pity you.

    • Chantel

      Cisneros, what is with the babble? Are you coming off of meth or something? What do jews and homosexuals have to do with jack schaap?

      • Stony

        This is your brain. This ^^ is your brain on religion.

        • Tony Cisneros

          [Jesus couldn't save this post]

          • Nown For Years

            Email.. nothing trolls better than a pair…

  • Keulan

    This caps lock abusing guy needs to be banned or something. It’s annoying enough trying to read his idiotic rants, and they add absolutely nothing to the discussion. About the only good thing about them is that they provide a perfect example of how religions fuck up your brain.

  • Theory_of_I

    Me thinks perhaps it’s time to drop the BAN bomb on the obnoxiously useless imbecile.

  • http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/ Jeri Massi

    Now Tony Cisneros has visited *my* blog to give me the benefit of his all-capped pearls of wisdom. HEY THANKS A LOT, BRUCE! I wasn’t as nice to him as you were. I want people to see him in all his glory. They should know that this is how the longtimers at FBCH defend their pastor from crimes of the worst perversions. It’s this way with Schaap; it was this way with Jack Hyles.

    • TrickQuestion

      I’ve found many many examples of him going all over the net over the last few years doing what he does. It’s a wonder it’s taken him this long to get around to us.

    • http://brucegerencser.net Bruce Gerencser

      Sorry :) I try to be a nice atheist. I did draw the line tonight with a woman who suggested the girl was a slut and seduced Schaap. My response was not Christ-like.

      btw, loved tbe notes on the deleted comments. Found a new way to deal with the intellectually challenged.

  • abbie Shultz

    you have no clue what your saying. you are the perverts for thinking the way you are. he was an awesome preacher at our church if you dont know him than shut up. what he did was horribly wrong and morally and spiritually but dont pick and choose ways to make him a perverted preacher because HE WASNT.

    Srvr Munkeh Fundie Auto-Translate v.2.1.1 ENGAGED

    Input Language: Whining Fundie Fucktard
    Output Language: English (International)
    …..Working
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    …..Complete

    Translation Follows:

    “WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! STOP BEING MEAN TO MY SEXUALLY ABUSIVE PREACHER!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! STOP POINTING OUT THAT HE’S SEXUALLY ABUSIVE!!! YOU’RE MMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!”

    End Translation

    • http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/ Jeri Massi

      The problem with people who pretend to be stupid is that sometimes you can’t tell. Is that comment a joke?

      What Schaap did was perverted, and he used his office as a preacher to succeed at getting a teenage girl for himself. He’s a married grandfather who used his power and influence to have sex with a kid. That actually does make him a perverted preacher.

    • preacher casy jones

      Abbie, Sounds like you listen to his preaching on a regular basis. Did yo know that he believes that when you take the juice and bread at the Lord’s Supper you are actually having “intimate” i.e. “adult” relations with Jesus Christ? really read the book “Marriage: a Divine Intimacy” get out of there as fast as you can.

  • Debby

    Abbie, did you watch the video. I realize you need a hero but you should pull your head out and look elsewhere. Seriously, I know you are disappointed but don’t be an idiot too. There are good people out there, he is not one of them. Is fucktard a word that you learned from him?

  • abbie Shultz

    he is not our preacher anymore and maybe if you were there you could make a good judgment and I already said I did not agree with what he did and horible on so many levels but my church will stay strong and eveyone has the right to your own opinion. i happen to know facts. Im not leaving beacause FBC is an awesome church. maybe if you go you would know whats really going on.

    • Set Free

      “Your” church was never strong. The males sitting behind Jack Schapp during this porno abnomination SAT when they should have TAKEN A STAND in the first two minutes, escorted him to the door and told him not to let it hit him on the way out! And people didn’t see this travesty coming??!?

  • abbie Shultz

    i never sai any of that someone added that. i dont use language of that sort

    • Sunny Day

      The stupid is strong with abbie.

  • abbie Shultz

    my hero is Jesus Christ not a man nor a church. Jesus Christ is the one who died on the cross for my sin not schaap or fbc. Schaap will have to pay for the disgusting choices he made. and someone added their own idiotic comment on mine. and seriously tell me you never sin. sin is sin.

    • Sunny Day

      I never sin.
      Sin is a concept your religion invented in order to sell people a special kind of soap that you can use to get rid of it. Sorry I don’t need your magic soap to get rid of what doesn’t exist.

    • Johan

      The rules of any given religion are for the followers of that religion to follow. Not following the rules of a religion that you don’t follow cannot be wrong, for if it is wrong then you are wrong for not following the rules of all the other religions.

      Simple, right? People who don’t believe in a religion that believes in sin cannot have sinned. Sinning is violating certain rules of your religion. By implying that nonbelievers can and have sinned you are declaring that you have the right to insist that we follow the rules of your religion. You don’t have that right.

      You certainly don’t think that is what you are doing, but it is. You go ahead and follow your rules, no problem. Don’t try to use some sin garbage to convince people of anything.

  • abbie Shultz

    and one last thing he was on med leave and week into it the found out so know your facts before judging the Bible says in Proverbs 29:11 says a fool uttereth all his mind. start placing facts. and if you dont go to the church than you really are wasting your time. and our church is alot stronger and not a step back one step forward

    • Mogg

      Er, yes. It says he was “indefinite sick leave” right there in the article. And as someone who went to a church that went through exactly similar circumstances, there is absolutely no justification for supporting any church that has over time supported someone who behaves as reported. I will not be surprised if the girl involved is made a pariah and blamed for being “tempting” but the creep who manipulated her is in some way rehabilitated, at least in memory. Disgusting.

    • http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/ Jeri Massi

      Oh my gosh, are they still sticking with that sick leave story? PT Barnum was right!

  • Greg

    Sick.

  • abbie Shultz

    shes not blamed at all. she was the victim and really hope she will be ok. the church is not accusing of her for anything. we have hired a lawer to make sure there are no more victoms. its a very hard and sad time for us. our church is the one who called the authorites .and again yall dont know facts you blame the church it was him not us we are great people too. and sure you are just listen to the fact. ask dont assume

    • Nox

      Fact 1:
      Your church put him in a position of authority over the flock.

      Fact 2:
      He used that authority to coerce a minor into sex.

      Fact 3:
      You are trying to defend that.

      Can we start assuming now?

    • http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/ Jeri Massi

      OK abbie, I’ll ask: please tell us the facts.

  • abbie Shultz

    no im not

  • Deb

    I am actually amazed they turned him in publicly…usually they hide it. Then he gets to do it again. As a matter of fact Dateline did an episode which addressed the fact that convicted sex offenders could be enrolled in the Baptist seminary. They have no system for recording sex offenders in the church and stated that it wasn’t necessary. Go to Stopbaptistpredators.org.

    • http://, Jeri Massi

      Stopbaptistpredators.org, run by Christa Brown, documents offenders in the Southern Baptist Convention. Blog on the Way, which is my blog, documents offenders among the Independent Fundamental Baptists: http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/

      There is some cross over, but that’s the overall system.

  • DL Moody

    This church is to blame as well. Just a few days before this man was found to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, another leader at the church was saying how the Holy Spirit led the church to call this Pastor. This leader who has preached at many youth conferences said how that Jack Hyles left a note and this church followed it to the letter as if God himself wrote it. The note said to make Jack Schaap the new Pastor. Then this Jack Schaap casts doubt on the WORD OF GOD, and no one on the staff at this church said a word. This man compares the relationship to Christ to sex and this church says nothing. This man expounds his own thinking and neglects the WORD OF GOD, and you’re surprised this happened?? THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR THE MAN WORSHIP YOU’VE BEEN DOING FOR 40 YEARS!!!! This is DIOTREPHES, who loveth to have the preeminence. They will not endure sound doctrine!! Not only that this is proof that the HYLES rumors were true, that he too was guilty of cheating on his wife with that secretary. In fact much of the heresy that Schaap preached with regards to physical intimacy came from Hyles. Moreover, the extreme loyalty as if were just supposed to shut off our brains and do what this MAN said. We were supposed to say well I didn’t see it so it must of not happened. This Schaap fiasco has been 40 years in the making; 40 years of sweeping sin underneath the rug that something came out. Oh, we’re supposed to clap for the church because they didn’t cover this up. What about all of the other cover ups???? This man was telling parents in his church to bring their teenagers to him. I have a 12 year old daughter and let me tell you one thing Jack Schaap. We would do everything in our power to AVOID you and any other preacher like you. I wouldn’t want my daughter to even shake your hand. In fact, from now on the Litmus test for any Fundamental Baptist church we attend is what do you think of Jack Hyles, Jack Schaap, and First Baptist Church of Hammond. I am not ashamed to be a Christian _ NEVER, however I am ashamed that I went to your Pastors School in 88, that I went to your youth conferences in the early 90s, and that I ever attended the little Hyles clone churches that read more of Hyles Manuals than they do the WORD OF GOD.

    • Yoav

      Random capitalization makes baby jeebus eat a kitten.

  • DL Moody
  • DL Moody

    In less than 12 months, the youth pastor at a Christian school our children attended attempted to meet underage girls for sex, we discovered that the same Christian School did not reveal to us about a Sunday School teacher who was indicted for sexual crimes against children, and now this Jack Schaap incident. When the Bible says, “There is none righteous, no, not one.”, it was not kidding. As a conservative Christian, I am thinking about another denomination that puts more checks/balances on these Christian leaders.

    • http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/ Jeri Massi

      Wow! Ya think?


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