Problems with Divine Morality

Greta Christina has one of her regular articles on Alternet titled One More Reason Religion Is So Messed Up: Respected Theologian Defends Genocide and Infanticide. (warning: don’t read the comments. Alternet is as bad as youtube.) She’s reacting to a an old post by William Lane Craig about the slaughter of the Canaanites.

(BTW, contra Christina, I would not label Craig a “respected theologian.” He’s an apologist for a narrow tradition of Reformed Evangelical Christianity that includes such creedal beliefs as biblical innerancy and subsitutionary atonement. Theologians define the faith, apologists defend it.)

As with most apologists, Craig’s real audience are the Christians who are beset with doubt or some other problem within their tradition. In this case, Craig is dealing with the question of the atrocities and genocide committed by the Hebrews in the OT. As part of his response, Craig argues that there is no real moral problem with all of it, as a result of his divine command theory of morality.

It basically comes down to a few points:

  1. Morality comes from God.
  2. Since God does not issue moral commands to himself, all actions by God are outside of morality.
  3. Our moral duty is to follow God’s command.
  4. So God deciding to take the lives of the Canaanites is fine, since God is outside of morality. The Israelites committing atrocities is fine, since they were following God’s orders.

Like a lot of Craig’s arguments, this one fits together quite neatly. Like a lot of his arguments, you can poke some substantial holes in it, such as: is it really objective morality if it is based on the whim of a divine being? PZ Myers and Ed Brayton both deal with this and other problems.

Another problem is more practical, and it comes down to Deacon Duncan’s Undeniable Fact, “The Undeniable Fact is that God does not show up in real life. [...] The Inescapable Consequence of this Undeniable Fact is that anyone who wishes to talk about God can only speak of the things men say and think and feel and imagine.”

Since God doesn’t appear before us, everything we know about God comes from what people say, or what we ourselves feel about God. The problems with trusting divine authority that comes from human mouths or our own intuitions should be obvious. If it’s not, Greta brings up the example of the Lafferty brothers.

This is a selection from Jon Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven, his examination of the Church of Latter Day Saints and his report on Dan and Ron Lafferty, two Mormon fundamentalists who murdered their sister-in-law and her baby. Here Krakauer is talking to Dan Lafferty after his conviction, and comparing Dan to the 9/11 terrorists:

What about Osama’s underlings, the holy warriors who sacrificed their lives for Allah by flying jumbo jets into the World Trade Center? Surely their faith and conviction were every bit as powerful as Dan’s. Does he think the sincerity of their belief justified the act? And if not, how can Dan know that what he did isn’t every bit as misguided as what bin Laden’s followers did on September 11, despite the obvious sincerity of his own faith?

As he pauses to consider this possibility, there comes a moment when a shadow of doubt seems to flicker across his mien. But only for an instant, and then it’s gone. “I have to admit, the terrorists were following their prophet,” Dan says. “They were willing to do essentially what I did. I see the parallel. But the difference between those guys and me is, they were following a false prophet, and I’m not.

“I believe I’m a good person,” Dan insists. “I’ve never done anything intentionally wrong. I never have. At times when I’ve started to wonder if maybe what I did was a terrible mistake, I’ve looked back and asked myself, ”What would I have done differently? Did I feel God’s hand guiding me on the twenty-fourth of July 1984?“ And then I remember very clearly, ”Yes, I was guided by the hand of God.“ So I know I did the right thing. Christ says, ”If you want to know if something is true, believe. And I’ll help you know the truth.“ And that’s what he did with me.

“I’m sure God knows I love Him. It’s my belief that everything will work out, and there will be a happy ending to this whole strange experience. I’ve just had too many little glimpses through the thin fabric of this reality to believe otherwise. Even when I have tried not to believe, I can’t.” (pp. 320-321)

The bothers were incited by their prophet, Robert Crossfield, their inner witness (see Dan’s line about the hand of God) and their own internal convictions that this murder was the will of God. The problem is merely that they were wrong about what God wanted. By Craig’s logic, this was a mistake, not a murder.

I Swear to God …

One of Ray Comfort’s followers using some of his apologetics, along with a cheesy card trick.

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Alright, pet peeve. I’ll make this quick.

Writing “OMG” is not taking the Lord’s name in vain.

First off, “God” is not a name. God is a description or a title. The god of the Hebrews gives his name to Moses through the burning bush.

Second, taking the lord’s name in vain – or making “wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God” (NRSV) – does not mean simply using the name YHWH or the title of God.

All ancient cultures used the names of their gods in promises, oaths and contracts. An ancient Israelite might make an oath, invoking Yahweh to watch over him and make sure he fulfilled his promise.

Sometimes it meant placing God as the judge over an agreement, such as between the Jacob and Laban in Genesis 31:41 – “The Lord watch between you and me, when we are absent one from the other.” In other words, Jacob is reminding his scheming uncle that their god is watching over them and will know if Laban breaks the agreement. (Given Jacob’s track record as a trickster, this seems a bit hypocritical.)

One way or another, making an oath that you did not intend to keep would be a wrongful use of the name of God. So the commandment is basically a warning not to make false oaths. It might also be stretched to mean not breaking your promises.

And I’m sorry, but this has been recognized by every serious religious authority I’ve ever met. If Comfort and Crew don’t know, it doesn’t speak well of them.

Inspired Contradiction


We know that the Bible is inspired because it was written over 1000 years by many different authors, and yet it contains no contradictions …

…and…

We know that any contradictions are not real but only apparent contradictions which can be explained away now or at least at a later date – perhaps even in heaven – because we know that the Bible is inspired.

(“inspired” by the Conversations from the Pale Blue Dot podcast, interview with Robert Price.)

Evangelicals Acting, Badly

by VorJack

Daniel has already written about Ergun Caner and his “factual self contradictions.” It seems obvious now that Caner was pretending to be an ex-muslim, or perhaps exaggerating a childhood connection to Islam, in order to advance his career among evangelical apologists.

Neddy Merrill over at The Edge of the American West has pointed out just how shabby that pretense really was:

Worst non-ex-Muslim ever
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What makes this story so interesting is that he’s terrible at playing a Muslim. Or, more accurately, that he got as far as he did while being so terrible. Check out these videos, posted by one of the bloggers who’s been on this for a while: he gets the Shahada wrong. He thinks there are 40 days in Ramadan. He confuses “insha’Allah” and “alhumdulillah.” The Christian equivalent would be like saying Jesus rose on Christmas– just a straight-up, WTF howler to anyone who’s even casually Muslim.

I’m trying to imagine what the atheist equivalent would be. It would have to be like saying, “I’m an atheist, but Jesus loves me anyway.”

Despite this, a few other evangelical apologists like Norman Geisler, co-author of I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist (which our friend Deacon Duncan has recently finished demolishing), are sticking by him.

The Bible Is Always Right?

Facepalm:

The Holy Bible, King James Version, is the Word of God in the English language. It is superior to all other holy books. It is higher than all other philosophies. When any man’s words contradict the Bible, the Bible is ALWAYS RIGHT, and those who disagree are ALWAYS WRONG. God’s Word is the most beautifully written book. It contains the best poetry; it reveals the most practical wisdom; it clearly reveals man’s sin problem, as well as God’s solution in Jesus Christ. Besides all this, it is the only book that is RIGHT! If you believe everything you read, you better stick with the Bible!

The Bible is superior to the Koran because it IS the written Word of God. It is superior to the Book of Mormon because its geographical landmarks actually existed. It is superior to the evolution textbook because it is filled with facts, not a bunch of words like “approximately,” “perhaps,” “could have been,” “possible that,” and other indefinite wordings. The Bible is the ONLY source of absolute truth. God Almighty is clear, concise, and definite when He speaks.

You may disagree with God’s Word, but know this: God’s Word will be the last word! God’s Word will be final and forever!

And sadly, this is real, not a Poe. It sure does sound like one though!