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		<title>Comment on Construction of a Theory by Kodie</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/05/construction-of-a-theory/#comment-643821</link>
		<dc:creator>Kodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the criticisms of this piece, it sure makes it intimidating to try to correct someone or have a discussion if you might be explaining it wrong or switching the terms. I have some confidence that I understand concepts much better than I can explain them to someone else. I think it&#039;s good that someone gets the big picture, you know, if you post it on the internet, the real nerds will (and I mean that lovingly, not disparagingly) come along to fine-tune it in the comments. I don&#039;t want to feel too self-conscious about getting something mostly right, or at least in, like vorjack said, economical diagram that... perhaps &quot;dumbs it down&quot; for a dummy like myself, or people with a radically different viewpoint try to grasp something difficult like science, that can be too broad and complex to them that they simply cling to what they do know to avoid feeling overwhelmed by how much they don&#039;t know, or how to start to know it. Unlike a lot of people here, I have no academic background in sciences. Once I can understand something, I will still get it wrong if I try to explain it to someone who doesn&#039;t understand it. You have to start somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the criticisms of this piece, it sure makes it intimidating to try to correct someone or have a discussion if you might be explaining it wrong or switching the terms. I have some confidence that I understand concepts much better than I can explain them to someone else. I think it&#8217;s good that someone gets the big picture, you know, if you post it on the internet, the real nerds will (and I mean that lovingly, not disparagingly) come along to fine-tune it in the comments. I don&#8217;t want to feel too self-conscious about getting something mostly right, or at least in, like vorjack said, economical diagram that&#8230; perhaps &#8220;dumbs it down&#8221; for a dummy like myself, or people with a radically different viewpoint try to grasp something difficult like science, that can be too broad and complex to them that they simply cling to what they do know to avoid feeling overwhelmed by how much they don&#8217;t know, or how to start to know it. Unlike a lot of people here, I have no academic background in sciences. Once I can understand something, I will still get it wrong if I try to explain it to someone who doesn&#8217;t understand it. You have to start somewhere.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by Troutbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troutbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again...MAGIC.  Atheist arguments are always trumped by MAGIC.  Therefore: GOD.  Impeccable logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again&#8230;MAGIC.  Atheist arguments are always trumped by MAGIC.  Therefore: GOD.  Impeccable logic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by Darwin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/05/questions-of-the-day-design/#comment-643808</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if we are unique in some respects? All animals are. Cockroaches are the only species that can survive a nuclear blast, that doesn&#039;t mean that they are the personal design of an all-powerful being. It is only your opinion that the ability to create music is greater than the ability to survive nuclear blasts. 
And if everything must have a cause then what caused god? And don&#039;t say &quot;god is eternal&quot;, because that just shows that you can&#039;t even stick to your own arguments. Why does god get a free pass? I could just as well say that the universe is actually a series of universes that expand, collapse to a singularity, and then expand again.
And if god cannot be detected, he is also not provable. Do you even think your arguments through? Or do you just regurgitate random crap over atheist forums? 
And as far as &#039;ruling over animals&#039; goes, I urge you to consider the example of the bacteria living in your gut. If you died tomorrow they would easily adapt and survive without you(and thrive by feeding off your remains, might I add). But if they all died tomorrow, you&#039;d be dead in a week from starvation since you wouldn&#039;t be able to digest any of your food effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if we are unique in some respects? All animals are. Cockroaches are the only species that can survive a nuclear blast, that doesn&#8217;t mean that they are the personal design of an all-powerful being. It is only your opinion that the ability to create music is greater than the ability to survive nuclear blasts.<br />
And if everything must have a cause then what caused god? And don&#8217;t say &#8220;god is eternal&#8221;, because that just shows that you can&#8217;t even stick to your own arguments. Why does god get a free pass? I could just as well say that the universe is actually a series of universes that expand, collapse to a singularity, and then expand again.<br />
And if god cannot be detected, he is also not provable. Do you even think your arguments through? Or do you just regurgitate random crap over atheist forums?<br />
And as far as &#8216;ruling over animals&#8217; goes, I urge you to consider the example of the bacteria living in your gut. If you died tomorrow they would easily adapt and survive without you(and thrive by feeding off your remains, might I add). But if they all died tomorrow, you&#8217;d be dead in a week from starvation since you wouldn&#8217;t be able to digest any of your food effectively.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by Troutbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troutbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, but, but....MAGIC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but, but&#8230;.MAGIC!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Construction of a Theory by Reginald Selkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 17:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a few steps missing:
&quot;&lt;i&gt;So we tend to focus on the theory with the fewest assumptions&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
.
Hmmm. If there are multiple theories in contention, a good scientist will design the experiment so that it produces data which will help to distinguish among the candidate theories. This is one of the problems with experiments concerning &quot;alternative&quot; medicine, to name just one example. If all of the resulting papers end with &quot;more research is needed,&quot; then you really haven&#039;t advanced out knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a few steps missing:<br />
&#8220;<i>So we tend to focus on the theory with the fewest assumptions</i>&#8221;<br />
.<br />
Hmmm. If there are multiple theories in contention, a good scientist will design the experiment so that it produces data which will help to distinguish among the candidate theories. This is one of the problems with experiments concerning &#8220;alternative&#8221; medicine, to name just one example. If all of the resulting papers end with &#8220;more research is needed,&#8221; then you really haven&#8217;t advanced out knowledge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by Custador</title>
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		<dc:creator>Custador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read this&lt;/a&gt; before you bother replying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact: <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf" rel="nofollow">Read this</a> before you bother replying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by Custador</title>
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		<dc:creator>Custador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If you will honestly consider the evidence you will discover Darwinism is “chance” theory, it is not testable it is not falsifiable in the lab! Additionally its main predictions, the fossil record, the tree of life &lt;b&gt;and new species created every 1000 generations are completely refuted&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; [emphasis mine]

That is the single best example of a willful lie I&#039;ve ever seen. Darwinian evolution is absolutely &lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt; about chance, and if you knew the first thing about it, you wouldn&#039;t come out with such absolute bollocks. Secondly, the fossil record strongly supports the Theory of Evolution. You can deny that and lie about it to suit your fantasy beliefs until you&#039;re blue in the face, but do not think you can come here and bare-faced lie about the evidence in the way you just did. As for the part of your reply that I&#039;ve put in bold, you (or some other ignorant theist) has pulled that out of their arse. The Theory of Evolution makes no such prediction. You&#039;re full of shit and arguing against something that you very clearly know nothing about. Fuck off, educate yourself, then come back and we&#039;ll talk.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I call complete bullshit, but do feel free to SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE JUST CLAIMED EXISTS. My bet is that you won&#039;t. Regardless, it still wouldn&#039;t point to a creator if it was true, much less the Judeo-Christian God.

Word games. Your whole attitude relies on playing silly buggers with semantics. But what it boils down to is this:

You cannot philosophise God into existing. He exists, or He does not. If He exists, there must be evidence that He exists. But there is NONE. Zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkiss. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that He does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you will honestly consider the evidence you will discover Darwinism is “chance” theory, it is not testable it is not falsifiable in the lab! Additionally its main predictions, the fossil record, the tree of life <b>and new species created every 1000 generations are completely refuted</b>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p> [emphasis mine]</p>
<p>That is the single best example of a willful lie I&#8217;ve ever seen. Darwinian evolution is absolutely <em><b>NOT</b></em> about chance, and if you knew the first thing about it, you wouldn&#8217;t come out with such absolute bollocks. Secondly, the fossil record strongly supports the Theory of Evolution. You can deny that and lie about it to suit your fantasy beliefs until you&#8217;re blue in the face, but do not think you can come here and bare-faced lie about the evidence in the way you just did. As for the part of your reply that I&#8217;ve put in bold, you (or some other ignorant theist) has pulled that out of their arse. The Theory of Evolution makes no such prediction. You&#8217;re full of shit and arguing against something that you very clearly know nothing about. Fuck off, educate yourself, then come back and we&#8217;ll talk.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I call complete bullshit, but do feel free to SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE JUST CLAIMED EXISTS. My bet is that you won&#8217;t. Regardless, it still wouldn&#8217;t point to a creator if it was true, much less the Judeo-Christian God.</p>
<p>Word games. Your whole attitude relies on playing silly buggers with semantics. But what it boils down to is this:</p>
<p>You cannot philosophise God into existing. He exists, or He does not. If He exists, there must be evidence that He exists. But there is NONE. Zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkiss. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that He does not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions of the Day: Design. by random99</title>
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		<dc:creator>random99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 14:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jen, thank you for the tone of your reply, but honestly, when is the last time an Angelfish put you in a aquarium or a polar bear put you in a zoo?  Mankind rules the planet and its life-forms, we have the ability to rule it, cultivate it and sadly destroy it, which other species has that ability?  If you will honestly consider the evidence you will discover Darwinism is &quot;chance&quot; theory, it is not testable it is not falsifiable in the lab!  Additionally its main predictions, the fossil record, the tree of life and new species created every 1000 generations are completely refuted, yet, material naturalist hold on tight and try to reinvent it as they will whether the evidence is there or not.

To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.  This is a reality that materialists simply refuse to accept because of the implication. Einstein’s relativity theory is the most tested and most verified theory in modern physics.   Put whatever spin you wish on the multiverse, oscillating universes, &quot;egg&quot; boundaries et&#039; al&#039;, at one point, no matter, no energy, no space and no time existed, (no quantum vacuum of fluctuating particle waves) there must be an uncaused cause, there must be a prime mover, something caused this amazing universe we live in to exist?  

To the &quot;theory of I says&quot;:  what an interesting &quot;handle&quot; after all that is the real question is it not?  Who or what has the authority to say &quot;I say&quot; and &quot;in the beginning there was light&quot;?  What an amazing God who creates a single species on earth with the capacity to communicate and have a relationship with Him, who gives this species the choice to accept or reject that invitation of love and relationship.  He even gave us the free-will to shit in our own nest, or to deny His existence, after all, does that hurt Him or us?  

You also say that &quot;we can all conceive what perfection in every respect represents&quot; by what standard do we accomplish this conception?  How is it that you can conceive &quot;how the universe &#039;ought&#039; to be&quot; who&#039;s measuring stick are you using?  Would you agree to the standards set by Stalin or Hitler, I&#039;m guessing not, but why not?  On material naturalism all things are undirected, random occurrences, the universe just is the way it is, right?  If so, then why do you spend your time attacking the way some things are?  What a futile effort in circular reasoning.  But deep inside, you know there is more to what you see and feel and know the way things &quot;ought&quot; to be rather than the way they are!  Stop looking at the material creation for answers and seek to understand the purposes of the Creator.  He has the answers.

Finally to trj:  Thanks for the comments.  Which species displays free-will, self-sacrifice, creates artwork, music for entertainment purposes only, writes books, poetry, music, which among the species is philanthropic?  We are utterly unique as creatures on this earth, yes animals exhibit communication and social traits, but might that be because they were created for our benefit?  A single Creator with a single purpose has that prerogative does He not?  Based upon material naturalism how do you explain the mind, consciousness, mathematics, and information, none of this is &quot;material&quot;?  

Why do you assume God is “an infinitely complex god that defies physics and logic?&quot;  God is not &quot;material&quot;, so therefore He has no moving parts, no chemistry, no anatomy, He is mind, He is intellect alone, and that is the simplest of all entities in our material universe.  Richard Dawkins doesn&#039;t have all the answers; God is not a &quot;complex&quot; idea.  Now, take as Richard does that perhaps aliens deposited DNA on earth, now that’s real science and a simple answer, isn’t it?  Theism complies with the principle of Ockham’s&#039; Razor.  God is the creator of Physics and Logic, how can He therefore defy them?  

To each of you, the universe is not eternal, material cannot create itself, therefore something must be the uncaused cause, that uncaused cause cannot be material, therefore science cannot answer the question of what and who God is?   If you want to know, ask Him, He’ll answer, He’s listening to you, He knows your heart, your mind, and your need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jen, thank you for the tone of your reply, but honestly, when is the last time an Angelfish put you in a aquarium or a polar bear put you in a zoo?  Mankind rules the planet and its life-forms, we have the ability to rule it, cultivate it and sadly destroy it, which other species has that ability?  If you will honestly consider the evidence you will discover Darwinism is &#8220;chance&#8221; theory, it is not testable it is not falsifiable in the lab!  Additionally its main predictions, the fossil record, the tree of life and new species created every 1000 generations are completely refuted, yet, material naturalist hold on tight and try to reinvent it as they will whether the evidence is there or not.</p>
<p>To Custador: Scientific evidence tells us that matter has not always existed.  This is a reality that materialists simply refuse to accept because of the implication. Einstein’s relativity theory is the most tested and most verified theory in modern physics.   Put whatever spin you wish on the multiverse, oscillating universes, &#8220;egg&#8221; boundaries et&#8217; al&#8217;, at one point, no matter, no energy, no space and no time existed, (no quantum vacuum of fluctuating particle waves) there must be an uncaused cause, there must be a prime mover, something caused this amazing universe we live in to exist?  </p>
<p>To the &#8220;theory of I says&#8221;:  what an interesting &#8220;handle&#8221; after all that is the real question is it not?  Who or what has the authority to say &#8220;I say&#8221; and &#8220;in the beginning there was light&#8221;?  What an amazing God who creates a single species on earth with the capacity to communicate and have a relationship with Him, who gives this species the choice to accept or reject that invitation of love and relationship.  He even gave us the free-will to shit in our own nest, or to deny His existence, after all, does that hurt Him or us?  </p>
<p>You also say that &#8220;we can all conceive what perfection in every respect represents&#8221; by what standard do we accomplish this conception?  How is it that you can conceive &#8220;how the universe &#8216;ought&#8217; to be&#8221; who&#8217;s measuring stick are you using?  Would you agree to the standards set by Stalin or Hitler, I&#8217;m guessing not, but why not?  On material naturalism all things are undirected, random occurrences, the universe just is the way it is, right?  If so, then why do you spend your time attacking the way some things are?  What a futile effort in circular reasoning.  But deep inside, you know there is more to what you see and feel and know the way things &#8220;ought&#8221; to be rather than the way they are!  Stop looking at the material creation for answers and seek to understand the purposes of the Creator.  He has the answers.</p>
<p>Finally to trj:  Thanks for the comments.  Which species displays free-will, self-sacrifice, creates artwork, music for entertainment purposes only, writes books, poetry, music, which among the species is philanthropic?  We are utterly unique as creatures on this earth, yes animals exhibit communication and social traits, but might that be because they were created for our benefit?  A single Creator with a single purpose has that prerogative does He not?  Based upon material naturalism how do you explain the mind, consciousness, mathematics, and information, none of this is &#8220;material&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Why do you assume God is “an infinitely complex god that defies physics and logic?&#8221;  God is not &#8220;material&#8221;, so therefore He has no moving parts, no chemistry, no anatomy, He is mind, He is intellect alone, and that is the simplest of all entities in our material universe.  Richard Dawkins doesn&#8217;t have all the answers; God is not a &#8220;complex&#8221; idea.  Now, take as Richard does that perhaps aliens deposited DNA on earth, now that’s real science and a simple answer, isn’t it?  Theism complies with the principle of Ockham’s&#8217; Razor.  God is the creator of Physics and Logic, how can He therefore defy them?  </p>
<p>To each of you, the universe is not eternal, material cannot create itself, therefore something must be the uncaused cause, that uncaused cause cannot be material, therefore science cannot answer the question of what and who God is?   If you want to know, ask Him, He’ll answer, He’s listening to you, He knows your heart, your mind, and your need.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Construction of a Theory by David Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 12:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. As any theologian could have told them, it is a capital mistake to collect more data than you need.</description>
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		<title>Comment on There&#8217;s a Filter for That by vasaroti</title>
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		<dc:creator>vasaroti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 11:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!  That photo will go on top of my Daughter&#039;s birthday cake- she&#039;s a computer geekette, tending toward graphics.  Thanks so much for the reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!  That photo will go on top of my Daughter&#8217;s birthday cake- she&#8217;s a computer geekette, tending toward graphics.  Thanks so much for the reference.</p>
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