Pan African Parliament Says No to Ugandan Resolution

So much for the “unafrican” thing.

 

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  • Richard Willmer

    Sometimes ‘division’ can lead to progress. Pleased to hear that the motion was apparently defeated.

    (I’m actually also quite a fan of ‘loving division’ within the Church – it can help promote honest discussion and truth-seeking.)

  • Maazi NCO

    It is a fact that most Africans see gayism as deviant and “un-African”. It is also a fact that majority of African nations criminalize gayism by law. Nevertheless, it is probably too ambitious to pursue a continent-wide legislation on gayism. It was always bound to run into opposition from the South Africa-dominated SADC regional countries (even though many of those SADC nations—-except South Africa— hypocritically have anti-gay laws in their stature books).

    I say let every African State deal with gayism as it deems fit. At least there is consensus that gayism is culturally unacceptable. It is a matter for each State to define what to do about that highly dangerous lifestyle.

  • Richard Willmer

    But this is a defeat for your cause, ‘Maazi’; no amount of ‘spin’ can get round that one.

    One reason for this ‘defeat’ is the violent sentiments so often exuded by the ‘gay-bashers’. Let’s look at what Botswana basher Masisi said in the PAP: “We shall refuse it and punch them hard (advocates)”. Violence. Then there’s Bahati himself: http://lezgetreal.com/2010/08/ugandas-david-bahati-admits-he-wants-to-kill-every-last-gay-person/ More violence. Then there are those religious fundamentalist, for whom violence is a ‘way of life’.

    Many Africans don’t want violence, They might not approve of consensual same-sex relationships, but they like the violence (a ‘blot’ on the African landscape) even less, and understand the choice that must be made.

  • Richard Willmer

    Whoops – that should have been “BotswanaN basher Masisi”. (Masisi is Botswanan member of the PAP.)

  • Lynn David

    Brief and to the point post, Warren.

    I hope that last one didn’t wear you out too much.
    ;-)

  • Maazi NCO

    But this is a defeat for your cause, ‘Maazi’; no amount of ‘spin’ can get round that one.

    It was no defeat for me. I believe that all African States should make their own individual arrangments when it comes to combating gayism.

    One reason for this ‘defeat’ is the violent sentiments so often exuded by the ‘gay-bashers’.

    Again, I fail to understand what you are excited about. Gayism is widely reviled in Africa and many of the nations that opposed the idea of a continent-wide anti-gayism law already have domestic laws tackling gayism. Most people there agree that gayism is deviant and unacceptable. However there is no need for continent-wide law.

    Many Africans don’t want violence, They might not approve of consensual same-sex relationships

    I think we can agree on the above quote. In any case, I am not aware of any parliament in any African nation which has plans to legalise violence against anybody. However, a couple of parliaments —including Ugandan Parliament—are updating their penal code to tackle sex crimes more effectively. African States like Ghana, Zambia and Zimbabwe are updating their constitutions to ensure that deviant sexual behaviour is never legitimized.

  • Maazi NCO

    But this is a defeat for your cause, ‘Maazi’; no amount of ‘spin’ can get round that one.

    I have already explained that I believe that gayism is a matter for individual African States tackle. There is no need for continent-wide anti-gay law. Most African States already have domestic laws tackling gayism. Some of those nations are bolstering their laws such as Uganda and Cameroun. Some nations are ensuring that gayism never gets legitimacy by re-writing their constitutions (e.g. Ghana, Zambia and Zimbabwe)

    One reason for this ‘defeat’ is the violent sentiments so often exuded by the ‘gay-bashers’

    Not really. Many African nations are reflexively opposed to any loss of sovereignity to supranational institutions. The same instinct that caused many African nations to oppose Col. Gaddafi’s persistent proposal for all 53 countries to merge into a “United States of Africa” is the same instinct that caused the proposal in the Pan-African Parliament for a continent-wide anti-gay law to collapse.

    Many Africans don’t want violence….

    Yes, we are opposed to violence. However passing legislation to strengthen laws against sex crimes such as gayism has nothing to do with “liking violence”.

  • F Young

    “I am not aware of any parliament in any African nation which has plans to legalise violence against anybody.”

    So, you don’t consider the death penalty and prison terms in Uganda for as legalized violence?

  • Richard Willmer

    ‘Maazi’

    You have made plenty of ‘pan-African noises’ in the past; now you’ve got to back-peddle … politician that you are.

    It was a defeat for your cause, and I strongly suspect that noone, your allies included, genuinely thinks otherwise.

  • Richard Willmer

    And things have come a long way since Bahati’s ‘slaughter proposals’ broke cover three years ago.


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