What is Our Duty in Injustice?

The comments on this post got way out of hand and seriously off topic! But it brought up an interesting question for me.  What should our response, as Hindus, be when we hear of injustices in the world?

I have to preface this by saying that I have a very hard time trusting any report I hear through the media. There is no news source that doesn’t have a bias and it is impossible to share information without putting some kind of slant on it. I grew up in the Internet age: I’m very cynical about what I’m told. I’ve seen too many times the way events can be twisted by reporting and you’re only getting pieces of the facts and not the whole story. So when people send me articles about violence happening against Hindus, I’m not sure what to do with that. I’m not there. I can’t know the whole story of what’s going on.

So my response is to meditate, to pray, to try to manifest peace here where I am.

Maybe that is not the right response.

It seems to me that no guru advocates feeling hatred towards others. Proper dharma is about loving everyone as one’s Self. Because they are your Self. We are all one. If you hurt another, you hurt yourself. So what about Arjuna and his battle against his cousins? Krishna tells him to kill because he must. That is the situation that he is in and it has to be done. He has no other choice. All possible ways to avoid war have been tried and have failed. Arjuna is within the structure of a war, he is not a lone gunman taking “justice” into his own hands. And Krishna also tells Arjuna that he can kill without feeling hatred or anger or vindictiveness. The only way to participate in this war in a dharmic way is to not feel hatred towards those against him.

When people send me these articles, it always seems like they are coming from a place of fear and anger, demanding that something be done. Maybe I’m wrong. But I always feel like they are slapping me with the intensity of their hatred.

They tell me that it is our duty as Hindus to fight against adharma (that which is against the correct way). Too often that sounds like an excuse to me. An excuse to give back as good as we get, to fight and hate and hurt as much as we feel it is being done to us. The world does not need more hate. It needs love.

I trust karma to reap its rewards. Those who put hatred into the world get only violence back. I feel that it is my job as a Hindu to practice love.

I also believe in meeting the need that is in front of you. Is it our job to chase adharma? I don’t know. What I have done so far is to stand against injustice as it presents itself in my life. In the day to day moments.  I don’t feel that there is much I can do about rumors and stories from thousands of miles away.

Now, I could be doing more. I could travel to places where injustices occur and work with the victims there to try to make their lives better and I have not done that.

So, I am at a loss. What is it I should be doing to fight adharma in the world?

I don’t entirely know. But I’m starting with focusing on the positive and focusing on love, trusting that those who do evil will have evil brought to them.

[If you want me to say that Hinduism is above all that and would never hurt others, but another religion is evil, I won't do it. We are all human and we all make mistakes. Hindus are not above that. I love Hinduism and so I do not want to be put in the position of having to dig up and share all the evil things that Hindus have done in the name of their own religion or in the name of protecting themselves. All religions have participated in bad things. Because all religions are made up of people and people get mean when they feel threatened or fearful.  One religion is better than another in only one way, in my opinion: if it is better for that particular person. Every person has a path that speaks to him best and for me that path is Hinduism. It is the Sanatana Dharma. I have no fear that it could ever be harmed. Humans may do terrible things in the name of their religion, but if you go to the religion itself it almost always preaches peace and love.]

 

{Featured image from http://history-of-hinduism.blogspot.com/2010/11/sanatana-dharma.html}

About Ambaa

Ambaa is an American woman of European ancestry who is also a practicing Hindu. She is fascinated with questions of philosophy, culture, and the meaning of life. Join her in the journey to explore how a non-Indian convert to Hinduism experiences her religion.

  • Arjun

    Ambaa no offense but did u check the facts of violence against Hindus first
    because if you did you wouldn’t be writing an article like this and trivializing it down facts to rumors and stories And if you think this is
    Dharma then you are totally wrong.

    ‘[If you want me to say that Hinduism is above all that and would never hurt others, but another religion is evil, I won’t do it.’

    Again you jump to some very weird conclusions when far as i know no one is telling you to say that.Just because you dont want to look at facts.Thats not Dharma as Dharma is about opening ones mind to the truth about everything regardless if its uncomfortable .

    ‘I do not want to be put in the position of having to dig up and share
    all the evil things that Hindus have done in the name of their own
    religion or in the name of protecting themselves.’

    You are welcome to do so because hindus have nothing to hide but make sure its factual..

    I would advice you to first learn what Hinduism
    is first so you dont confuse it with bollywood romance and dance around the trees type story..

    • Ambaa

      How can I check the facts? That’s what I’m wondering. How do I know what’s true and what’s not?

      Certainly violence against Hindus is NOT OKAY. No doubt about it. But what should I do about it? I honestly want to know.

      Please don’t insult me by suggesting that I don’t know what Hinduism is. I have dedicated my life to it these past ten years.

      How do we check the facts? How do we know what is really happening thousands of miles away? Please do tell me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

      ‘did u check the facts of violence against Hindus first because if you did you wouldn’t be … trivializing it’

      Excellent point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

    As Dharmic as a ‘White Hindu’ might want to be .. one is still coming from the foundations of Abraham-ism as in the missionary ‘work’ of misinformation about the Hindu and his civilization.

    Until those foundations are shed and everything is looked afresh from the perspective of truth and truth alone no amount of a Hindu ‘makeup’ is going to help the ‘White Hindu’.

    • Arjun

      Very true Sucheta, I think unless Aamba is flown out to kashmir or bangladesh to see with her own eyes the murders of hindus or the rape of hindu girls young as five like whats being on in pakistan then she will think it as rumours and stories.

      And for the historical side of it we havent got a time machine yet to transfer her to those times for her to see how many hindus were killed and brutalized.

      Of course she spent time with Vikram Gandhi on the making on his movie exposing gurus so that has to be true.. .And also she must have spent time with Robert Priddy seeing all the accusations against Sai Baba by witnessing it all by herself standing there even though he thinks hindus are idiots for believing in hinduism but then his friend barry pittard wanted islamic extremists to kill jews in the sai baba asharm which he wrote on his blog which is there for anyone who checks that but no that’s ok lets promote these people as experts on the truth..This blog should be renamed The White Anti Hindu then it will make more sense..

      • Ambaa

        Just a note: I am not agreeing with links I post with criticism for gurus. I want to present a balanced view and show both praise and criticism that I come across.

        Is that what I should do with this terrible news about Hindus being hurt? Should I post links to stories about it? Is that what you want me to do?

        All I’m trying to figure out is what you are wanting me to do. Honestly and humbly: what response from me would make you feel that I am doing the right thing?

        I have asked this over and over and over and over and I don’t understand why you aren’t giving me an answer.

        • Arjun

          Ive given you links and information before and even posted an article by the respected french journalist Francois Gautier on the attack on hindu gurus on your facebook page but i dont think you bothered to read that or anything else ive given you .

          im not going to tell you what to do because if you look at the facts for yourself then you can think for yourself .And if i did tell you what to do then you will accuse me of telling you ‘what to do’

          And I mentioned before that if its not an area of your interest then its ok you dont have to go there or publish anything to do with these issues but you can just keep it for own research but if you do make comments on those issues like the article above then expect the criticism.

          If you think all the information cant be backed then bring it up because i have much more evidence and information that you can check if you want to..

          Here’s a link that exposing the anti sai movement with all evidence you want if you want to also put the link up
          http://www.saisathyasai.com/

          • Doug

            Well here’s a link “exposing” Hinduism. Yeah I know it’s pretty biased (as if your links aren’t) but that’s what Ambaa was talking about. I honestly wasn’t expecting it to but this article actually does make some very valid points.

            http://www.faithdefenders.com/articles/worldreligions/hinduism_exposed_w.html

          • Arjun

            Doug i could have found you even a better anti hindu site than that .and this starts of with the debunked made up theory of nazi aryan race theory born out of colonial race theories of whites being superior than every other race but then of course the church would promote that as Hitler was a catholic and a believer in the aryan nazi race lol

          • Doug

            Haha Arjun you should probs throw out that book of fictional “history” that you seem to own and go get a real one.

          • Arjun

            yeh i did and you have a copy as well so you might as well chuck it in the bin,, you know the name of that book..its the bible lol

          • Ranbir

            Doug how about a real life link expoising Christianity, like the gas ovens of Auschwitz?

          • Doug

            You’re so racist and ignorant, it’s ridiculous. Christianity in no way inspired the Holocaust. Hundreds of thousands of Catholics were sent to Auschwitz too among other camps.

          • Ambaa

            I will take a look. Thank you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

          Ambaa on one had you say
          ‘I have to preface this by saying that I have a very hard time trusting any report I hear through the media.’
          .. and then on the other
          you go on selecting ‘some’ and discarding the ‘others’.
          This is exactly what is wrong with your approach.
          In all this your reader is naturally left wondering if you are biased.

          You can’t pick and choose without knowing WHO is saying what is being said and what is their motive behind what is being said.

          If Media is to be distrusted for towing the line of those in power (the missionaries with an agenda being one) then any citizen journalists, with a camera on one hand and internet on the other, who can come from any and all walks of life, is the media of today.

          We don’t have to believe in any ONE source .. but we do need to put our heads together and ask ourselves.. if there are hundreds of them saying n showing things with real data as proof then we do have to give it a second thought whether we like it or not .. where is the truth in all this.

        • Ranbir

          Ambaa how about you stop using moral equivalence where it doesn’t apply. Do you for example say both Jews and Nazis were equally violent just because of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising?

      • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

        ‘This blog should be renamed The White Anti Hindu then it will make more sense..’

        I agree with you Arjun however I think the blog would look better if called ‘The White Anti-Hindu in the Hindu Makeup’ blog .. lol..

        Arjun, I really think Ambaa here does not realize that Hindu dharma is not about what is on the outside ..
        But for her to find out what is on the other side it is going to take her another birth.

        As they say it takes several times more efforts and time to erase what one has learned wrong than if it was learned the right way in the first place. But, the good thing is that least she has started the journey to Dharma :)

    • Ambaa

      Wow. That is super insulting.

      Do you actually know anything about me? I wasn’t raised in an Abrahamic religion. I have done my best to shed that from my cultural understanding. I have dedicated the last ten years to a very deep study of Hinduism. It is not “makeup.”

      Why won’t anyone actually answer the question?

      Instead of insulting me, tell me what it is expected one should do to fight adharma in the world?

  • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

    “You know, my dears, the world has been abnormal for so long that we’ve forgotten what it’s like to live in a peaceful and reasonable climate. If there is to be any peace or reason, we have to create it in our own hearts and homes.”

    Not a Hindu quote, but one I personally live by.

    We are not gods, that we can see, rage against, and fix every injustice in the world while at the same time carrying out our daily duties as workers, wives, mothers, and daughters (and similarly for the men in their respective roles.) I keep myself informed on particular issues – my heart breaks for the situation in Bangladesh – and I try to help people who have been affected by violence.

    We are delivering supplies (including new clothing) to Bhutanese refugees over Mother’s Day; this is one small way I can help.

    And yet I don’t see my responsibility being only toward people of one religious creed or another; it is to all of humanity in the small ways wherever I find it.

    • Arjun

      Andrea, I dont live in a house with machine guns lost in some rage of hate.I haven’t asked Aamba to start hating people or abuse them .What i dont understand is that if another side of the story is told then everyone goes into a into a frenzy of panic and then accusations of inciting hate are made incited like pointed in the article above where the hindu side of the story comes down to ‘rumours and stories’ .So whats fair about that ?

      Just recently ive helped a five year old hindu rape victim in Pakistan getting her protection , we also her sent to a proper hospital to get medical help and ive done many more things like that .im also im a blood donor and i dont have a agreement with the hospital saying only hindus get my blood so please dont lecture me on with love and peace for all humanity because its irrelevant to what the issue is and im not here to blow my own trumpet .

      • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

        I wasn’t talking about you.

        • Arjun

          I know that just like i know you think when hindus speak up for themselves might be pushing some ‘communalist ideology’ .that already shows where your mindset is.If you want to debate me on that we can and im not part of that RSS for starters

          • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

            So are you a god then? You must, if you know what I think.
            You’re twisting my words out of context. You’re also a troll so I will no longer respond to you. Get thee hence, troll.

          • Doug

            Haha you tell him! Twisting words is Arjun’s specialty, and yeah he probably is a troll.

          • Arjun

            yeh doug we know how the church is one great troll abusing kids every five minutes under all that ‘luuuurve ‘ lol

          • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

            You are sharing only hate here, no love.

          • Arjun

            Here we go again.The same tune that when hindus talk facts then its hate but when people talk lies its love..So you think im singing all you need is ‘hate hate’.. hate is all you need lol

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            Arjun it will take another century for the Hindus to expose the missionary ‘work’ :(

          • Ranbir

            Crikey Andrea if you think Doug represents love it’s easy to see why Charles Manson attracted so many naive followers.

          • Doug

            These guys give Hindus a bad name… I’m sure you believe in a much kinder version of Hinduism, Andrea. :)

          • Ranbir

            Twisting words? Oh please Doug. That’s a bit rich coming from someone who follows a church with a history of genocide, witch burnign and believing in fake relics like the Turin Shroud.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            Ranbir .. you roar :)

          • Ranbir

            Well being Christian Doug and the follower of a bankrupt out of date creed which nicked other peoples ideas you should be used to that. Voltaire “Down with the Accursed One!”

          • Arjun

            yeh actually i am god because everyone and thing in existence is divine even you.. Anyway ive seen your comments on Ambaas wall so i know exactly what you said in what context blaming the RSS for some ‘communalism’ ideology whatever that is..Troll yeh sure because u know i will rip your ‘communalism’ fantasy apart with facts so the technique of negative labeling me for others to base their judgment on me before listening to what i have say will not work me..so go in your hole lol

          • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

            From a political perspective, I am against communalism and theocracy no matter who is spewing it. Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Scientologists. It is politically counterproductive. The truth of the matter is that no matter what there are people who will have different religious views, and pitting one against another is not good for a nation.

            There is no problem with helping those who are in trouble. The things in Bangladesh, burning of Hindu homes, it is terrible. Throwing atheists and moderate Muslims labeled as atheists in jail; It needs to stop. I think people should fight against that and get JUSTICE for the minorities that are being oppressed.

            Justice is different from revenge. Look deep inside yourself and figure out which one you want.

            Communalism has caused these deep rifts in Bangladesh and you cannot heal them if you want to demonize an entire religious group, many of whom want to do Hindus no harm.

          • Ranbir

            Andrea what di you mean who is spewing it? When have Hindus done kamikaze missions into skyscrapers in New York? Get a grip!

          • Arjun

            So when were hindus spewing it ?What theocracy are they setting up ? Do even know what Hindu Dharma is ? So according to that perspective you would also call native americans protesting against their sacred places being destroyed as Communalism or Australian aborigines demanding their rights as Communalism.Show us where hindu scriptures incite hatred against other religions that do against hindus and other religions, or people first.You’re basically equating the rape victim with the rapist for the crime.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            ‘Communalism has caused these deep rifts in Bangladesh and you cannot heal them if you want to demonize an entire religious group, many of whom want to do Hindus no harm.’

            Which world have you been leaving in Andrea !!!

          • Ranbir

            Out of context? Oh please pass me the tissue box! In any case trolls were part of Norse mythology which Doug’s evil nasty Church annihalated as it swept through Europe just like the Black Death did 3 centuries later.

    • Ranbir

      Yeah well Andrea try preaching your universalist human values in Saudi Arabia and see how far that gets you. Even if you think Rome wasn’t built in a day it’s worth remembering that Hiroshima was flattened within 10 seconds. Riyadh next!

  • Doug

    Ambaa, I mostly agree with everything in this blog, especially the bias of the media and articles on the Internet. One of my favorite quotes about suffering is
    “Sometimes I would like to ask God why he allows pain, poverty, and justice in the world when he could do something about it.”
    “Well why don’t you ask him.”
    “Because I’m afraid he would ask me the same thing.”

    We as fellow human beings must feed the hungry and clothe the naked and be as loving as possible if we ever want to live peaceful lives.

    Arjun, since you’re going to attack Ambaa because her view of Hinduism is more peaceful and loving than yours, I want to ask you why you are so obsessed with this idea with “militant religion.” You see it as “Muslims killing Hindus” when really it’s just people killing people.

    • Arjun

      Sure Doug we know how loving and peaceful your religion is .Do you abide by the nicene creed because if you dont then maybe you have a point

      • Doug

        Yeah my religion is extremely loving and peaceful actually, that’s why I follow it. Certain “followers” of my religion may not be but the religion itself definitely is.

        And yeah I fully abide by the Nicene Creed but I don’t see how that at all relates.

        • Arjun

          Thats says it all then and least we know what love and peace you are talking about clearly lol

        • Ranbir

          Nicene Creed? How is that peaceful? Oh hello that’s what started the persecution of Jews, pagans and heretics by the Roman empire. Even Julian the Apostate could not reverse the clock. But at least now Christianity is dying out having met its offspring and nemesis in the forms of Islam and secularism. it’s just like the monster from Forbidden Plante.

          • Doug

            Based off that comment I doubt you know what the Nicene Creed is dude…

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            Well maybe you need to give it another read friend.

          • Ranbir

            Based on your narow mindedness I would advise you to revisit your messed up past and ask yourself why are people leaving Christianity faster than the Mary Celeste.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            It is the Karma of the missionary coming back to haunt the west as Islam.

          • Doug

            The Nicene Creed is simply the Catholic profession of faith. I don’t find anything remotely “hateful” in it. Here’s the exact English text:

            I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
            maker of heaven and earth,
            of all things visible and invisible.
            I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
            the Only Begotten Son of God,
            born of the Father before all ages.
            God from God, Light from Light,
            true God from true God,
            begotten, not made, consubstantial
            with the Father;
            Through him all things were made.
            For us men and for our salvation
            he came down from heaven,
            and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
            of the Virgin Mary,
            and became man.

            For our sake he was crucified
            under Pontius Pilate,
            he suffered death and was buried,
            and rose again on the third day
            in accordance with the Scriptures.
            He ascended into heaven
            and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
            He will come again in glory
            to judge the living and the dead
            and his kingdom will have no end.
            I believe in the Holy Spirit,
            the Lord, the giver of life,
            who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
            who with the Father and the Son
            is adored and glorified,
            who has spoken through the prophets.
            I believe in one, holy, catholic,
            and apostolic Church.
            I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
            and I look forward to the resurrection
            of the dead and the life of the world to come.
            Amen.

          • Ranbir

            No remotely hateful? This one jealous male god who has the arroagnce to denounce all others is the height of bigotry and hate. A nasty cosmic dictator who gets all teenage tantrum because of other spiritual paths. How disgusting! And thats what led to the Holocaust. Let us bid farewell to this god. He is nothing more than a Fred West type.

          • Doug

            I have no idea how you got that out of the Nicene Creed. He doesn’t denounce all other gods, He says that He is the ONLY God, the others don’t exist.

          • http://www.facebook.com/bhkataprahlada Marc Caverly

            How many over the last 2000 yrs have been murdered in the name of Jesus? The CAtholic Church preaches one thing, but conducts business in gun running, drug dealing, and porn. But you can continue to support them all you like. Not to mention the owl “Moloch” that the evil ones in the Vatican worship. There is your Holy Roman Catholic Church for you.

            I was Catholic, I wanted to be a priest. I asked God to show me the truth and He led me to Sanatana Dharma. Stop being blind and ask God for the Truth! Don’t let your personal feelings get in the way of what Truth is…… that is the key.

          • Ambaa

            Apparently closing comments on this post didn’t work! I don’t know why :(

            Things are getting too heated here and I really don’t want all of this attacking of each other, so I ask that we please stop with accusations against other people’s religions (yes, that goes for Doug too!)

            I have a new comment policy in place and I’m going to be stricter moving forward about not attacking other people’s belief systems.

    • http://twitter.com/triliana Andrea Mandal

      That’s a great quote, Doug. Thank you for sharing.

      • Ranbir

        Andrea do you live in a cave or something (so does Bin Ladin, just thought I would use moral equivalence at its chepaest level)?. You really ened to read some books if the low IQ stuff written by Doug impresses you. He cannot even understand why the Turin Shroud is a fake and why Jesus was just a made up character with less evidence for his existence than the sasquatch.

        • Doug

          It was a quote…. Not written by me, and it wasn’t even Christian.

          I can’t help but chuckle when you guys say that Jesus isn’t real especially when I physically encounter Him multiple times a week. I mean how can you even suggest that He’s a myth? Haha have you looked at your own “gods”?

          • Arjun

            oh so now we know where you are based like suspected.Have you met the Jesus also in the other padded room next to yours ? lol

          • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

            ‘when I physically encounter Him multiple times a week.’

            I wonder what exactly you mean Doug .. Ha ha lllol.lol..
            Hope you are not talking of your encounters with the little boys!

          • Doug

            I mean exactly what I say. I encounter Jesus Christ in his living Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity through the Eucharist. Before the very presence of God Himself.

          • Ranbir

            That’s symbolic you idiot. Jesus doesnt make a guest appearance like Morris Cerrullo does (when he needs cash to fund his mansion and private jet).

          • Doug

            It isn’t symbolic you idiot. When Jesus explained this in John 6, many of his disciples left Him because this doctrine was simply too absurd and preposterous. Jesus didn’t say “Oh it’s just a metaphor, a symbol, come back!” No, He was very clear that unless you eat his Body and drink His Blood, you have no life in you.

          • Ranbir

            You encounter him multiple times a week? Is that when you are having lunch with the sasquatch and visitors from Mars? What a joke! Not only that but you encounter him physically. Well listen buddy next time he is in town say hi from me, and ask him why couldn’t he just go a 5 loaves and 3 fishes job on that out of season fig tree rather than cursing it. Talk about enviromentally unfriendly!

          • Doug

            Yeah I will say hi for you actually. You can go see himself if you’d like, go to a Catholic church and ask where their tabernacle is.

          • Ambaa

            Doug, I’m sorry you’re getting ganged up on! You do handle it well.

          • Doug

            Haha it’s fine. I actually like when people challenge my faith because I want to see if I can defend it. Exposing yourself to other religions helps you find the truth in your own. :)

    • Ranbir

      Doug I like it when Christians use suffering as the weapon of last
      resort. It just proves how sado masoschistic their beliefs are, a bit
      liek the Inquisition torture chamber or having to listen to the 700
      Club. Like Lenin used deluded idealists among western socialists it
      looks like with Amba you have also found another “useful idiot”. How
      ironic that a slavish follower of the Catholic Church, a parastic
      organism with a history of more violence than Charles Manson takes the
      moral high groudn by determining what is ‘peace’. If its just people
      killing people then how about you use that same warped logic to explain
      the Holocaust, slavery or the 1994 genocide in Rwanda. or see how far
      that gets you when you walk with a picture of the Pope in Belfast’s
      Shankhill Road.

      • Doug

        Haha no one asked you to repeat what other fools on this blog have already said, Ranbir. But I’m sure we’ll have a nice conversation about it when we’re reincarnated as neighboring mushrooms perhaps?

        • Ranbir

          What do you mean no one asked me. I dont need permission, least of all from a worshipepr of the male demiurge called god and his even more non existent son Jesus. And who are you to decide who is a ‘fool’ after believing that spiritually bankrupt rubbish? Now you claim to eb an expert on reincarnation. Ho funny! In any case it’s in the Bible when Jesus (who never existed) cures someone’s blindness when the man was blind from bith, but, and it’s a big but, he was made blind by that disgusting god of yours in account of PREVIOUS sins. Well what previous sins if he was blind from birth? Go figure Catholic boy!

          • Doug

            You’re incorrect about that. The disciples asked Jesus if the man was blind because of his own sin or a sin of his parents. Jesus answered “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.”

            There is a joy in suffering and God uses suffering for a greater purpose.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vincent.brunootero Vincent Bruno Otero
    • http://www.facebook.com/Sucheta.Arya सुचेता सिंघल

      Jai ho ! .. Vincent Bruno ki !!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/vincent.brunootero Vincent Bruno Otero

        Thanks

    • Arjun

      classic response Vincent !

      • http://www.facebook.com/vincent.brunootero Vincent Bruno Otero

        Thank You

    • http://www.facebook.com/rudra.dharmadasa Rudra Shivachaitanya

      Excellent response. Using Rama and Ravana as examples of how and when to fight against Adharma is necessary for our age. Non-violence doesn’t mean complacency. It means love: being loving, living in love, and fighting that which destroys it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vincent.brunootero Vincent Bruno Otero

        Yes, Rudra! Let’s be like Ram and fight back without anger, protect Dharma without hate, defend themselves without revenge

      • Guest

        Excellent you remind me one of the vedic shloka…

        Ahimsa paramo dharmaha, Dharma himsa tathaiva cha.

        (‘Non – Violence is the greatest Dharma,So too is all righteous violence’)

        Dharma vs Violence
        Also note all of our Deities bear arms, not just ornaments! They are not seen nailed to wooden planks. Still note the irony of cults that ‘talk’ peace and dress like angels while merrily slaughtering people from various nations on a continuous basis. Every Hindu is given a message that intervention is inevitable when there is onslaught on those following Dharma. It will be very cruel intervention with no parallels. So don’t provoke a Hindu. No big waves hit, it will be a total washout in massive tsunami. No amount of wailing will help those testing Hindus on hourly basis.

      • Guest

        Excellent you remind me one of the shloka…

        Ahimsa paramo dharmaha, Dharma himsa tathaiva cha.

        (‘Non – Violence is the greatest Dharma,So too is all righteous violence’)

        Dharma vs Violence
        Also note all of our Deities bear arms, not just ornaments! They are not seen nailed to wooden planks. Still note the irony of cults that ‘talk’ peace and dress like angels while merrily slaughtering people from various nations on a continuous basis. Every Hindu is given a message that intervention is inevitable when there is onslaught on those following Dharma. It will be very cruel intervention with no parallels. So don’t provoke a Hindu. No big waves hit, it will be a total washout in massive tsunami. No amount of wailing will help those testing Hindus on hourly basis.

    • http://twitter.com/ChoteBhai1 Bhrata

      Just seen your video..Awesome ..that is the point which of all of us were trying to make..We should have courage to speak and hear the truth no matter what how much bitter is that…and yes All Religion are same is an false statement…We need to acknowledge the difference……I also want to recommend a book named as Being Different by Rajiv Malohtra a must have for every Hindu…

      Yes we Indian Hindus are Not expecting from other world wide Hindu’s to comedown here and fight for us….but please don’t close your eyes for plight of Hindus in Muslim countries like Pakistan/Bangladesh ..In these countries young Hindu Girls are forcibly converted to Islam on daily basis thousands of temples are destoryed after 1947…In Indian state Kashmir which is Muslim Majority 5 lakh Kashmiri Pandits were kicked out from kashmir after masscare of Kashmiri hindus …In Kashmir there was a slogan raised from mosques 24 hr a day “Kashmir mein Rehna hai tou ALLAH HU AKbar kehna hoga” If you want to live in kashmir you have to convert to Islam..followng by Killing of Kashmiri Hindus which result in 500,000 Kashmiri Hindu were thrown out of kashmir after a brief …masscare & followed by 400 temple demolition there..all of Hindu properties were taken over by their Muslim Neighbour’s…these kashmiri Hindus are still living in Refugee camps all over India…Just to give an Idea in 1947 after independence there were 22% Hindus in Pakistan now it is down to 1.5 % ..In India in 1947 there were 10 % Muslims now it has beenincreased to 18 %..

  • Ambaa

    You know what? I don’t like bullies on my page.

    Christianity is based on love. Hinduism is based on love. Islam is also based on love. I have met many wonderful Muslims and many wonderful Christians. They do good in the world through their beliefs. I refuse to condemn them.

    Who will I condemn? The individual idiots who harm others. They are not practicing their religion, they are being demons.

    This is a website dedicated to interfaith dialogue, not intimidation.

    I would like to work together with Muslims and Christians to find a way to stop the miserable asshats who perpetrate violence against their fellow human beings.

    Those who are being jerks here are getting blacklisted from commenting.

    • Doug

      Thank you Ambaa. It’s a tragedy that so many bad things happen in the world and through history in the name of religion. Those people have their own political or personal reasons for doing those things but they do not abide by the teachings or message of any religion. Some people choose to look past all the good religion has brought to the world and focus on the wrongs of individuals. Truth cannot be subjective but regardless of who is “right or wrong” we are all children of the same God and our actions should reflect our love for Him.

      “This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.” -John 15:12

    • http://www.facebook.com/rudra.dharmadasa Rudra Shivachaitanya

      Namaste, Ambaa. I want to preface this by saying that I do respect any work that is done to bring people to Hinduism, and I do not mean any of this criticism as a personal attack against you. All of us are capable of being wrong, and maybe you’ll point out how I am some day. I will be responding to you as a traditional Shaiva Hindu and a former independent catholic priest with six years of self-study in the subjects of Church History, Apologetics, and Scripture/Hermeneutics. and four years of ministerial experience, 2.5 of which was in a position of leadership.

      You claim to condemn those “idiots who harm others.” You specify “individual,” in order to remove blame from the source, i.e., the Qur’an and the Bible. You claim that Islam and Christianity are equally religions of love, worthy of the same respect and adoration that truly spiritual people have for Hinduism and other Dharmic paths. To me, this sounds like one of two things, both of which I can identify because of similar mistakes I have made in the past: either 1) you don’t know very much about Hinduism, Islam, and/or Christianity, or 2) you want to be liked and you’re willing to sacrifice the truth upon the vile altar of unreason to get there. I hope it’s the former, as the latter is entirely incompatible with dharma.

      Your words here begin: “Christianity is based on love.” In the Bible, do you know who condemns people to eternal Hell the most? Jesus. The concept was foreign in the Old Testament, with words like Hades, Sheol, or Gehinnom indicating either 1) a place of temporary cleansing of sinful impurity, similar to the Catholic purgatory, or 2) the unconscious state of death. In the New Testament, that changes. Jesus talks about Hell more than anyone else. He proclaims himself the only way to salvation (which means no Vishnu, no Shiva, no Krishna, no Devi, no Ganapati, etc.). He says that whoever has faith in him will do the will of his father, and whoever doesn’t will perish in Hell for eternity. This is a central belief of all mainstream Christian denominations, and it is a belief that is entirely incompatible with a truly benevolent God. This is the one respect in which the Qur’an is better, as though most Muslim leaders teach of eternal punishment, the Qur’an speaks of a long, but ultimately temporal one.

      Christianity is founded upon the Bible. If Doug is as educated and faithful a Catholic as he presents himself to be, he’ll be happy to tell you that Christian tradition demands adherence to both Testaments, Old and New, as both are equally the inspired Word of God. According to Roman Catholic tradition, the Bible is one of two sources of infallible wisdom, the other being the collective authority of the Bishops of the Church, represented at the head by their equal, the Bishop of Rome. In short, for a Catholic, and any mainstream Christian, rejection of the Old Testament is out of the question. So let’s see how much love the Old Testament is build upon, shall we?

      I’ll start by pointing out that if one takes the total number of people killed in the Bible, whose deaths were attributed to Yahweh, God himself is responsible for the murder of almost 2,500,000 people. If we include the flood, with an estimate that the world population was between 15,000,000 and 20,000,000 people, that number is increased inexcusably. One can try to defend God, “But the flood is an allegory.” Maybe so, but that doesn’t explain the other 2,500,000 murders, nor does it explain why a God who is called Love would need an allegory detailing the slaughter of the entire world, minus eight people, because God got jealous.

      With this understood, let’s dig deeper.

      In Leviticus 27:28-29, God orders the sacrifice of human beings. This shouldn’t be that surprising, given God’s order to Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac in Genesis 22, or God’s acceptance of Jephthah sacrificing his daughter in Judges 11, or God’s demand in Joshua 7 that those who steal what has been consecrated to God should be burned, or God’s prophesy in 1 Kings 13 that Josiah would sacrificing pagan priests upon their own altars, or God’s command that the Ammonites be burned alive in Ezekiel 21, or God’s command in Deuteronomy 13 to kill pagans and burn their cities whole. All of this is so loving, right?

      The God of the Old Testament, who Jesus himself claims to be, ordered murders left and right. If someone disobeyed a priest, they were to be killed. If someone engaged in magic or fortune-telling, they were to be killed. If someone was gay or bisexual and engaged in same-sex intercourse, they were to be killed. If someone became angry and hit his father or mother, or even just talked back to them, he was to be killed. If someone cheated on their spouse, they were to be killed. If someone had sex before marriage, or engaged in loosely-defined “sexual immorality,” they were to be killed. If someone worshiped other Gods, like we do (and like you do), they were to be killed. If someone was an atheist, they were to be killed. If someone was a false prophet or a blasphemer, he was to be killed. If a woman wasn’t a virgin on the day of her wedding, she was to killed. If someone approached the tabernacle, he was to be killed. If someone looked inside the Ark of the Covenant, he was to be killed. If someone worked on Saturday, he was to be killed. If entire populations, cities or towns or whatever, worshiped another God, like we do, their men, women, and male children were to be killed (the young girls were saved to be raped by the invading soldiers). In fact, in Jeremiah 48, it says that killing these people is the Lord’s work, and whoever doesn’t will be cursed by God. Unless God shows his love by killing people, I don’t think any of this boils down to a religion “based on love.” This God has nothing to do with love. Someone’s defense may be, “But God isn’t like this in the New Testament!” Indeed, he is. In Acts, we find Peter, the supposedly-chosen apostle and first pope of the Catholic Church, murdering two people by God’s power, simply by speaking to them.

      But that’s not all! On top of all the murders ordered and committed by God in the Old Testament, there was also rape and slavery. When the Bible said, “take a wife,” it meant that quite literally. Numerous verses throughout the Bible justify sex slavery, raping young girls, forcing girls to marry their rapists, taking the wives of infidels killed in battle and using them until one tires of her, etc. God himself leads women to be raped in broad daylight according to 2 Samuel 12. On top of that, God establishes slavery as a good thing, as something people are entitled to. A common defense here is, “But slavery in the Bible was different. Slaves worked voluntarily, and were treated well.” In Exodus, God clarifies that misunderstanding. A man can beat both male and female slaves without punishment as long as they don’t die within the first 24 hours of the attack. If they die immediately, only then will he be punished. What about the New Testament? Both Jesus and Paul support slavery, with Jesus saying that slaves will never be better than their masters, and Paul telling them to submit to masters as if they were Christ himself.

      So, your argument is wrong. “Christianity is based on love” is a statement of profound untruth. Through the early years of the Church, there was murder, hypocrisy, anti-Semitism and other crimes. Early Church leaders chose certain days to worship or fast specifically to spite the Jewish people, who they viewed with deep-seated contempt. Slavery was justified well into to the Church’s maturity, labeled as something fitting in this world of original sin, an institution which was useful. The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed which Doug here so proudly states is the Catholic profession of faith is only so because of crimes committed against Valentinians, Arians, Sabellians, Docetists, and others the Church deemed heretical. That creed has been the verbal sword with which the Church has conquered, oppressed, and violated the rights and cultures of people all over the world. Missionaries bringing the Gospel of a lunatic to parts of the world, like India, where people don’t need Jesus, have only deepened the wound driven by Judeo-Christian arrogance and presumption.

      As for Islam, most of these verses, such as that slaughter of unbelievers is the Lord’s work and mustn’t be abandoned, can be found, though slightly paraphrased, in the Qur’an. We don’t need to speak so far in depth to call to our awareness the crimes of the Mohammedan religion, as we can see it quite plainly in the news every single day. Constant wars, social injustices, infighting between Sunnis and Shi’ahs, the formation of terrorist organizations in Egypt and Afghanistan, the extremist Shi’ah government of Iran, the assassinations and attempted assassination of activists like Malala Yusufzai, etc. all speak to the horrendously godless nature of the Muslim sacred text. When 19 men collapsed the World Trade Center in 2001, leaving the once-fearless United States grasping for answers in an irrational and answerless crime for all the world to see, we saw Islam for what it is, and we cannot afford to forget it. Islam is not established on love anymore than Christianity is, and the existence of a few sweet-sounding verses amid a collection of immoral and anti-human atrocities doesn’t change that.

      You do no one favors by claiming that Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam are fundamentally the same. Hinduism is established first and foremost upon ahimsa, non-violence and non-injury, while Christianity and Islam spread predominately because of violence and injury. Hinduism is established on openness and experiential faith, with a secondary place given to the scriptures and leaders; in contrast, Christianity and Islam exalt their leaders and sacred texts as the highest authorities, and give a second place, if one at all, to a personal relationship with God. Hinduism admits errors, provides the framework to change those errors, and changes. In contrast, Islam and Christianity don’t change, at least not quickly enough to become progressive forces for goodness and love; instead, they find newer and more inventive ways to cover up the evils of the past and pretend it’s always been smooth sailing. Hinduism is lifestyle and a collection of philosophies that work to liberate man from his mundane existence and false self-identity. Christianity and Islam, on the other hand, only create more bondage and suffering that must be overcome in order to move forward. Hinduism has in common with Christianity and Islam little more than our affirmation of the existence of God, but it is certainly not the same God, for I know that Shriman Narayana or Bhagavan Shri Shiva or Bhagavati Devi would never commit the acts attributed to the vile, cosmic terrorist of the Bible and Qur’an.

      I wish you many blessings, and an open enough mind and a warm enough hard to accept where you’re wrong and change, rather than bind yourself, quite adharmically, to anti-Hindu ideas like universalism.

      Yours in His Grace,
      Bhakti Shivachaitanya Swami

      Aum Namah Shivaya!

      • http://www.facebook.com/rudra.dharmadasa Rudra Shivachaitanya

        Note: That should say “warm enough heart.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/bhkataprahlada Marc Caverly

        You are very correct in just about everything you stated, except for WTC. You should know who the real source of Terrorism is in this world, and it is not who you think. You cannot trust the main stream media for actual facts, they report on what ‘they’ want you to know and nothing more, whether that is true or not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rudra.dharmadasa Rudra Shivachaitanya

      You’re an arrogant, intolerant, troll, an ardhadharmi, and someone I would otherwise be ashamed to be associated with through our shared culture as Hindus. You threaten those with different opinions with censorship and self-righteous indignation. You, my sister, are not a Hindu any more than I am God incarnate.

  • Ambaa

    You know, that is a really good question. I think this is a failing on my part and something I need to figure out. I don’t know who to trust and I tend to trust no media reports at all. But that isn’t a sustainable way to be. I need to figure out for myself what is causing this mistrust and get to the bottom of it.

  • Ambaa

    I am closing comments on this post. I was hoping for answers, but people seem more interested in fighting than answering.

    Some people are upset with me for Doug’s comments. Apparently there was some link posted that people found inappropriate. I haven’t been able to locate that comment and didn’t see the link.

    Doug, you do annoy the hec out of me many times, but I do like getting a fresh and different perspective. As you said, it helps us to understand our religion when we can see the point of view of another spelled out to us.

    Moderation of comments on a blog is a very tricky job. I do my best to take a firm stance against cruelty and personal attacks in comments. I may not always succeed.

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