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Update: Outgrowing Paganism?

Since I first posted about Pagan podcasters Deò and Mandy, and their transition to atheism, a remarkably vibrant and thoughtful discussion has emerged in the comments section (Nearing 100 comments!). I urge you to take a moment and check it out if you haven’t already. However, my blog is hardly the only one exploring this topic and the issues it raises, here are just some of the posts from some fellow Pagan bloggers, authors, and pundits.

From MetaPagan: Spirituality, Identity and Community (by Yvonne Aburrow).

But is a religious label really about beliefs, or about participating in community, and sharing values and practices? Is it about doing something for the wider community? Or about a quest to understand the world and know how to live in it well? When does identifying with a label become membership in the group? Where and how does membership end? If you were accused of practising your religion in a court of law, would there be enough evidence to convict you? Perhaps religion is really a convincing narrative that helps to confer meaning on the world and our place in it. Even if it isn’t literally true, it’s symbolically true and internally consistent.

From The North West Passage: The Passing of Deo’s Shadow (by Brendan Myers)

I have to admit this affected me greatly, and not just because I was a guest on the show four times. Deo is a friend and a fellow philosopher. Before I moved to Hamilton, I was living only 20 kilometers away from him. He is also a remarkably generous, friendly, fun and kind person. I was dearly glad of someone in the community who has the same background and knowledge in philosophy as I do, with whom I can talk about such things. His departure from the community, therefore, hit me hard. His reasons for leaving it were sound and rational. It made me wonder if I have given much of my adult life to a community that doesn’t care about philosophers, and if I, too, have become merely a spokesperson for a tradition that is ultimately a dead end.

From Letter From Hardscrabble Creek: Pagans are not a Community nor a Tribe — Not Yet (by Chas Clifton)

What we have is a network, not a community nor a tribe. Maybe in a few generations that will change, who knows? (For you anthro and sociology majors, it is the Gemeinschaft / Gesellschaft issue, no?) Everytime I hear someone going on about “the Pagan community,” I say to myself, “Not yet.” Not when you can walk in and walk out so easily.

From Cernunnos’ Path: On the Threshold Between One Life Path and Another (by Mahud)

I have no idea where my path will lead (who knows, perhaps back to Christianity. I’m open minded enough to consider that a valid possibility), but I’m going to take it slow and not rush into this ritual or that magical practice or suddenly start worshipping a pantheon of Deities, just to fit in with the wide world of Paganism. Whether I stay or go, I’ll always have a piece of the Pagan community with me. But the way things are going now, I’ll be sticking around for some time yet.

From Chrysalis: Where Can We Grow From Here? (by Pax)

Well, it seems to me that the Pagan community could really stand to do a lot of work and soul searching on issues of Pride and Community.  I say this as a Pagan and Gay man who has often seen parallels and contrasts between his two subcultural communities. Why do we seem to have so much trouble coming together across lines of faith or Tradition to build community on the local, regional, and national levels?

And that seems to only be the beginning, I’m sure there are even more posts I’m missing out on. If you have commented on the transition to atheism by Deò and Mandy, or the issues it (and subsequent blog commentary) raises in your own blog/journal feel free to share a link in the comments (you can also consider this a “fresh” thread to discuss the topic if you feel a bit overwhelmed by the number of comments on the original post).

15 responses so far

  • http://chrysalis1witchesjourney.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/666/ Chrysalis

    [...] of Pagan Identity and the nature of Pagan Community all over the internet!  The recent pieces on Wild Hunt and on MetaPagan will help you to start getting caught up if you haven’t already been [...]

  • Erynn Laurie

    Here's my take on some of the issues raised: http://erynn999.livejournal.com/373128.html

  • Baruch Dreamstalker

    There are about 1,000 UU churches in the US.

  • Noira

    I wonder – you must have seen it so many times, too – what about all those ambitous pagan websites that just go silent one day and then dissappear. What are their authors expriencing?

  • http://lanternlight.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/the-shadows-passing/ The Shadow’s Passing « Dreaming the Future Closer

    [...] Skepticism, Social Change. trackback [This started out as a comment over at the Wild Hunt on this, but just got too long, so I moved it over [...]

  • Soliwo

    And in many countries there is no such thing as UU. I have heard of the unitarians of course, but they do not exist in the Netherlands. How widespread is UU in the states?

  • http://druidjournal.net/2009/01/08/irrational-paganism/ Druid Journal » Blog Archive » Irrational Paganism?

    [...] Pitzl-Waters has a couple of posts that summarize the situation, along with other links to posts put up in response, and literally [...]

  • http://chrysalis1witchesjourney.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/honoring-the-new-year/ Honoring the New Year « Chrysalis

    [...] seen a burst of creativity and discussion in the wake of The Wild Hunt’s recent article and  recent update about the end of the fine Pagan podcast Deos [...]

  • http://paganbookreviews.com/2009/01/11/thorn-magazine-volume-one-issue-one/ Thorn Magazine, Volume One, Issue One « Pagan Book Reviews

    [...] who identifies both with the terms “pagan” and “atheist”, and having seen a recent spate of discussion of atheism in paganism via various popular pagan blogs, I leaped on this article almost immediately. It’s a sensitive treatment of one [...]

  • http://tlacochcalli.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/orthopraxy-and-culture-vultures/ Orthopraxy and Culture Vultures « Tlacochcalli

    [...] brushing on the subject of the classic orthopraxy versus orthodoxy debate in religion.  (HERE,  HERE, and especially HERE.)  One of the comments in particular in the middle of the back and forth over [...]

  • Randilin

    Applaud them for being honest and not just pod fading like so many other podcasts do.

  • Delurker

    Paganism, I think, may be useful as a bridge between Western and Eastern philosophy, assuming it can find its own philosophical voice(s.)

  • http://www.kissesofspirit.com/2009/04/the-paganism-box/ The Paganism Box | Kisses of Spirit

    [...] know this is a bit of an old topic, but I just wandered into it, so I hope you don’t [...]

  • http://ephemeralthoughts.com/2009/04/the-paganism-box/ The Paganism Box | Ephemeral Thoughts

    [...] know this is a bit of an old topic, but I just wandered into it, so I hope you don’t [...]

  • http://southernpagan.com/2009/01/23/crisis-of-faith/ Crisis of Faith? « southern pagan

    [...] themselves Christian or Agnostic. The Wild Hunt reports on a few of these conversions here and here.  That’s a big bloody call if you ask me, but hey, your mileage may vary and obviously, this [...]